Grupo Supervielle S.A. (SUPV) Q2 2024 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Grupo Supervielle Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. This is Ana Bartesaghi, Treasurer and IRO. Today's conference call is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] Speaking during today's call will be Patricio Supervielle, our Chairman and CEO; and Mariano Biglia, our Chief Financial Officer. Also joining us is Alejandro Stengel, Vice Chairman of the Board and CEO of Banco Supervielle. All will be available for the Q&A session. As a reminder, today's call will contain forward-looking statements based on management's current expectations and beliefs are subject to several risks and uncertainties. I refer you to the forward-looking statements section of our earnings release and recent filings with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect new or changed events or circumstances. Patricio, please go ahead.

Thank you, Ana. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Please turn to Slide 3 for an overview of the quarter results. Our strategic actions are driving the desired results. We deployed an early-mover strategy that resulted in solid loan volume growth and market share gains. Asset quality remained healthy with a record low NPL ratio and a coverage ratio of over 300%. A robust capitalization with our CET1 ratio of 21% position us well to continue driving share gains. We reported return on equity of 10% for the quarter and 22% for the first half. As anticipated, NIM declined during the quarter reflecting lower spreads following the sharp drop in interest rates earlier in the year. The growth in fee income across our banking asset management and our online brokerage operations also contributed to the quarter's solid performance. Furthermore, our efforts to enhance operating efficiencies and while staying closely connected to our customers continue to yield positive results. Let me spend a few minutes discussing the key drivers of our performance during the quarter. Digital adoption continues to play a key role among retail customers. Digital customers now make up 65% of our total customer base with 56% of transactions completed through are up from 42% a year ago, indicating strong wallet adoption while, lowering our cost to serve. We've also made significant strides in our corporate and middle market customer segments with the loan book growing sequentially by an impressive 42% in real terms, as we focus on supported export-oriented value chains. We closed the quarter with higher balances of sight deposits among corporate clients, leading to increase transaction and volumes as we advance on becoming the primary bank. The leading online brokerage platform in Argentina contributed 19% of total fee income with all key metrics showing a strong performance. Active comes doubled year-over-year to a record high of 566,000 clients in July. Assets under management grew 23% sequentially in real terms, hitting the $1 billion milestone while sustaining solid transaction activity. Lastly, we are advancing and driving digital adoption and penetration in our insurance and asset management businesses. We have broadened our digital insurance offering for both corporate customers and retail customers, resulting in a strong, more than 25% year-to-date growth in car insurance. In asset management, our focused effort has helped us increase our market share to 2.5%. Enhancing the customer experience, a key factor behind our products and service initiatives, and we are very pleased that we continue to achieve increases in our NPS across all segments. Turning to Slide 4. Key economic highlights for the quarter include the approval and regulation of the Ley de Bases along with ongoing deregulation efforts achieving a fiscal surplus of plus 0.4% as of June and inflation is faster than expected with 2024 protections now at 127%, down from January's 227%. The Central Bank deregulation efforts are further enhancing the business environment. While the overall macroeconomic environment is improving, some areas still require attention, including ensuring the system ability of the Central Bank's $17 billion reserve increase and maintaining public support for ongoing reforms. Under this new environment, the financial industry is seeing early improving signs of recovery as loan demand growth return. To ensure sustainable growth, the next milestone is the lifting of the foreign exchange restrictions. Our financial results today reflect the actions we have taken over the past few years, including new product offerings, and efficiency measures together with policies established under the Milei government. As a result, we have a solid foundation in place and are well positioned to benefit as demand continues to recover. Now moving to Slide 5. We have been transitioning our asset base away from Central Bank securities to a private sector. This is reflected in the increasing loan-to-deposit ratio, which stood at 59% at quarter end, up from 32% at year-end 2023. This reflects a drop in the share of Central Bank's securities over the total assets to 28% from 40% at year-end 2023, while loans increased our share by 12 percentage points to 37% at the end of June. This trend is expected to continue during the second half of the year. In this context, we expect things to normalize to historical levels and NFI to grow over time even with lower yields as demand -- credit demand strengthens. As shown on Slide 6, strategic move towards capturing loan demand early in the recovery allow us to expand our loan portfolio by 36% sequentially in real terms. This resulted in total market share gains 30 basis points sequentially and 70 basis points year-to-date. Importantly, we gained share across all products. As of June, SMEs and corporate loans accounted for 65% of our total loan portfolio, while retail loans accounted for the remaining 35%. In corporate loans, we remained focused in servicing high potential export value, export-oriented value chains as we leverage our exposure to high potential industries, including mining, agri business and oil and gas. In retail loans, we are strategically focused on lowest segments, including mortgages, car loans, payroll loans and credit cards for existing customers. Looking ahead, we expect to continue scaling our mortgage loan product introduced earlier next year, in the year. We also plan to continue scaling personal loans as well as car loans leveraging our #2 position in auto loan originations. In sum, we are well positioned in sectors that are leading the recovery. We are focusing on originating short-term loans to corporate and asset-backed loans to individuals together with stringent credit policies, including portfolio limits according to the health of each industry to ensure an automized loan book at industries and customers. This, coupled with a strong capitalization position us well to continue to drive significant growth as demand continues to recover. Now let me turn the call to Mariano. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Patricio, and good day, everyone. Now let's direct our attention to Slide 7. To take a deeper look at our performance for the first half of the year. Net income increased to over ARS 72 billion, achieving a 22% ROE in real term, up significantly from ARS 26 billion and a real ROE of 10% in the first half of the year, driven primarily by an increase in net financial income. Starting with revenues. Net financial income increased 69%, driven by higher yields on our investment portfolio and a reduction of 140 basis points in the cost of funds. Recall that interest rates increased significantly in the second half of last year and declined sharply following the removal of enforcement interest rates in March. Net fee income, however, declined 7% as fees increased below the 272% accumulated inflation. Structural cost efficiencies contributed to a 9% year-on-year decline in costs, as I will explain in more detail shortly. Furthermore, strategic shift in loan allocation towards middle market corporate and payroll customers led to a 3% reduction in net loan loss provisions. These positive impacts more than offset the 255% increase in inflation adjustments on higher net monetary assets and inflation during the period. Alongside the 83% increase in other net losses attributable to higher turnover tax and provisions related for strategic initiatives. Moving next to Slide 8 for the discussion of our loan portfolio. As Patricio noted, we have continued to [indiscernible] shift our asset base towards a larger mix of private sector loans, and you can see this position in the bar chart. At the same time, we have gained share across most loan products in both our commercial and retail portfolios. With respect to mix by portfolio type, as shown on the pie chart. Corporate loans account for approximately 2/3 of our total loan portfolio. With this portfolio, short-term promissory notes stand out, increasing our share of the total corporate book by 2 percentage points to 54% followed by overdrafts at 22% and foreign trade loans at 18% of this book. Within retail loans, credit cards accounted for 32% of the book followed by mortgages and personal loans at 27% each and car loans at 14% of the total retail book, where we rank second in car loan origination. As shown on Slide 9, our total deposit base remains stable sequentially in real terms, although the mix changed slightly. Foreign exchanges increased 4% above industry trends, with the foreign exchange share over total deposits increasing 1 percentage points. As shown on the chart to the right, peso deposits posted a slight sequential decline but with a greater mix of lower cost savings and checking account deposits. Wholesale funding declined reflecting asset and liability management following the sharp drop in the monetary policy interest rates. Moving next to Slide 10. As anticipated in our prior call, lower inflation on yields from peso denominated government securities and loans in the context of lower policy rates and industry loan penetration still at historical lows resulted in a 43% sequential decline in net financial income to ARS 203 billion. The sharp decrease in policy interest rates and lower volumes of interest-bearing liabilities drove a 30 percentage point reduction quarter-on-quarter in cost of funds in the quarter. Also recall that in first Q '24, higher real yields on inflation NIM government securities benefited from peak inflation rates of December and January. Moving on to Slide 11. Expenses declined 15% year-on-year and 8% sequentially, primarily due to the efficiencies in personnel, D&A and administrative costs as we further advance on reducing our cost to serve. The sequential performance was partly offset by increased promotional activity to strengthen our position in a more dynamic environment. Efficiency improved to just below 51% from almost 63% a year ago. On a sequential basis, however, the efficiency ratio increased from 34% in the first quarter which benefited from a nonrecurring gain in peso bonds that resulted in an exceptionally high need. Turning to Slide 12. We closed the quarter with the CET1 ratio of slightly over 21%, declining 390 basis points sequentially. This performance reflects growth in risk-rate reflecting strong loan growth in the quarter, together with a ARS 20 billion dividend payment made in April and the ARS 8 billion shares repurchased during the quarter. This was partially compensated by capital creation in second Q '24. Moving on to Slide 13. In the current context, we are adjusting our perspectives for 2024 as follows. As credit demand continues to recover, we now expect peso loans growth to step up above 40% in real terms with retail loans increasing their share of total loans. Peso deposits are expected to continue growing above inflation, although at a faster pace with total denominated deposits expected to gain share of total funding. The NPL ratio is anticipated to convert to levels in line with higher credit demand, up from the historical low reported this quarter with a net cost of risk remaining at 2023 levels. With inflation receding, we now expect expenses to decline in real terms, as we continue to see the benefit from efficiency and in headcount on branches. We maintained our ROE expectation for the year at approximately 15%. During this transition, as we continue to shed to private central loans from public securities, we expect to see a lower NIM pressure in ROE in the third quarter. Lastly, as loan growth accelerates, we anticipate closing the year with a CET1 ratio between 17% to 20% compared to our previous expectations of 20% to 25%. This ends our prepared remarks. We are ready to open it for questions. Ana, please go ahead.

[Operator Instructions] Our first questions come from Brian Flores with Citi.

I have a question on your turnover tax situation, right? Because you made a provision there. I think it's ARS 33 billion. I wanted to ask you, how should -- I mean, obviously, you're not expecting to be paying going forward taxes. I just wanted to know when would you have the final decision on this? And if the provision needs to be adjusted by inflation going forward, and this will be updated sequentially on your income statement and balance sheets. How should we think about this going forward?

Mariano?

Brian, thank you for your question. Regarding this provision, it's correctly the amount of ARS 33 billion. We think we are conservative on that provision, but we would prefer to maintaining. Recall that this is the turnover tax that the city first, the City of Buenos Aires imposed on revenues deriving from Central Bank securities. The leads from the first bid, but also Central Bank repos and then also the province of Mendoza and other provinces, but the main ones being [indiscernible] Mendoza and then this year, the province of Buenos Aires. It's important to highlight also that now as the Central Bank stopped issuing the leagues and then stopped giving repos. And now we migrated that securities portfolio to the treasury note, short-term treasury notes. We are not agreeing in any tax because the treasury notes are no doubt they are exempt from this tax. So there's no new taxes on these short-term securities. Now with regards to the Central Bank security revenues during last year and the first month of this year. We made a claim with the Supreme Court of justice. This was also made by the other banks within the bank association and also there was a demand from the Central Bank with the Supreme Court of Justice, because it starts affects the monetary policy of the Central Bank and provinces cannot interfere in the monetary policy. So the process can be very long because the Supreme Court hasn't made any pronouncement yet. And we know these processes take long term to be defined. This is also related to the dispute between the City of Buenos Aires and the national government because of funds from taxes that the City of Buenos Aires received in the core participation with the other provinces and prior government took from reduced share that City of Buenos Aires received. That's when prior major of the City of Buenos Aires imposed this tax. So when the Supreme Court makes a decision on that matter, maybe then they will make a decision on these tools. So we are positive on the outlook of the result of this dispute although we have this provision just to be conservative. But it can take several years. And then the last part of your question is just by inflation. It's not directly leading to inflation, but the provinces taken on interest rates. So if we have to pay the tax, the liability would include the interest rates.

Perfect. Super clear, if I may, just a quick follow-up on capital, right? Because we have data as of me with the Central Bank. And if I'm doing the calculation here, June was negative, right? In terms of net income or close to being negative. I wanted to ask you on capital because quarter-over-quarter, you're consuming quite some bps, right? I think, over 300 bps. Now your guidance suggests another consumption because, as you mentioned, you're increasing risk-weighted assets. Just wanted to maybe open this question in two parts. First, should we expect the third quarter to be maybe negative in terms of net income contribution? And then the second one is in terms of growth in risk-weighted assets, what type of loans are you thinking on expanding? Is it a bit more on the heavy part which is higher risk weight or a bit more balanced between, I don't know, mortgages and consumer, just to think about this going forward.

Okay. Yes. First, the profit capitalization is always positive for the CET1 ratio as we had a 10% positive ROE in the quarter. We had capital, but as with a quarter where the loan portfolio grew 40% or 36% in real terms in just one quarter. Of course, in that case, increasing risk-weighted assets is higher than the capital we have with results. And so that's why we -- you can see the consumption of 390 basis points in the CET1 ratio. And looking forward, as we continue to see growth in real terms, we will start also to use that capital. Now, we are in the middle of the transition where our ROE will turn to 15% this year, but coming from higher ROE in the first quarter. So the most of the capital addition coming from the ROE. We have it already in our capital numbers. And then you will start to see APR risk-weighted assets growing. The pace of the growth for the next quarter, maybe it will be lower than the second quarter, which was extremely high because decline in interest rates was very short. But we will continue to see growth in real terms in the third and fourth quarter. That's why now we expect the capital ratio to range between 17% and 20%, which is a lower level where we now are and regarding the type of loans where we are planning to expand.

[indiscernible] take on that part. The strong growth we saw in the second quarter was primarily from corporates and the loan demand from -- particularly from the value chain of dynamic -- export-oriented dynamic industries, such as oil and gas and mining and agri business. And there was a also a rebound in terms of individual loans, from car loans, particularly car loans and personal loans for which reason and payroll loans. However, we believe that 2/3 of the loan book is today corporates and 1/3 is individual loans. So this means that with the change of monetary policy, when the decrease in interest rates, the NIMs came down very strong in the second quarter. We believe it's going to continue. However, the mix of loans will start to change. And by the end of the year, we expect that individuals, they will start -- there will be a pickup of the loan demand. And therefore, there will be a balance between corporate loans and individual loans around 50% each. And this will help us to achieve a historical NIM level of 20%. So this is the way looking forward to 2025, how it's going to -- our balance sheet is going to be much stronger in terms of revenue generation.

Thank you Brian. Our next question comes from Ernesto Gabilondo with BofA. Ernesto María Gabilondo Márquez: My first question is if you can elaborate a little bit more on the undoing positions that the banks executed with the Central Bank related to the puts? And what are the implications into the P&L and balance sheet. And also, on the other hand, I think there's some proposition of the Central Bank to do something with repos. So I will also want to hear from you the time line and the implications from those repos.

Thank you for your question. Regarding the put options we had on part of our treasury notes portfolio. We had as of June 30, we had around ARS 300 billion in inflation-linked bonds from the government. Out of those ARS 300 billion bond, maybe between 50% and 60%. We have put options. Remember that these put options didn't guarantee of price beyond the guaranteed liquidity. And as you know, the Central Bank proposed to buy back those put options, the enterprise. And we, as most of the [indiscernible], we agreed to sell those put options to the Central Bank. Out of this portfolio, maturities of these bonds were between the end of this year and up to the end of 2027. And most concentration was in 2025 and 2026. But also these bonds are part of our hedge inflation, and we are holding them until maturity. That's why it's part of our investment portfolio. So that's why we agreed to sell the goods because it wasn't a portfolio that we were willing to sell in the short term.

Let me add on that. We also believe that the Milei government has a strong focus in fiscal consolidation. And therefore, holding this treasury securities with these policies are -- I think it's -- we are at ease. And we are comfortable, and we believe that in the end, this is going to be reflected in the prices of government securities.

No, I'm sorry, because you asked also for repos. With what Patricio said, the government is passing the debt from the Central Bank to the treasury where they want to achieve fiscal surplus or at least fiscal balance, including interest. So that is a greater responsibility and shows a greater compromise for the government to be accountable -- to make the treasury accountable for the interest of its own debt. And not being paid by the Central Bank creating fiscal deficit. So in this context and with this government, we think the risk from repos of the Central Bank and the new [indiscernible] which are these short-term notes issued by the treasury. We think the risk is very similar. And also liquidity is always guaranteed by the Central Bank. So it's basically a very similar instrument for us. Ernesto María Gabilondo Márquez: Okay. No, perfect. Understood. And then I would like to add a second question. This one is in terms of the long demand, which seems to be finally materializing because of lower inflation, lower rates. So can you elaborate on which are the industries that you're starting to see this higher demand? And then just a follow-up in terms of your ROE guidance of 15% for this year. So if making the numbers, this would imply average ROEs below the 10% in the second half. Is that correct? And I think, Patricio said that you want to have a sustainable ROE in the medium term of around 20%. So you wanted to double check those fees?

You want to ask -- answer the second part and then -- and [indiscernible].

Let me answer the first question regarding our ROE. It's is correct. We expect a longer-term ROE of 20%. But -- now we are -- will be in the middle of the transitions that already your calculations are completely right. We're expecting a more challenging third and fourth quarter just because we are in these transitions where interest rates have dropped significantly. NIMs are reducing. We still have high inflation [indiscernible] being reduced very fast, but we still have had high inflation and the loan demand has risen sharply from historical lows. We are still at a very low demand, [indiscernible] GDP. So the next 2 quarters will be very challenging with ROEs probably below 10%. That's why we expect a 15% growth for the year when we have 22% ROE in the first half of the year. So when that transition from assets of the Central Bank and treasury securities to loans and within the loan growth, we also grow not only in short-term loans to corporate, but also in the individual portfolio, we are growing very well in personal loans, car loans, which have higher needs and we focus on growing on higher NIM products. We'll start to recover that ROE return to an ROE of 15% and then increasing it in the longer term when consumption returns. And also, we can grow profitably across all segments, not only in specific segments. Do you want to continue Alejandro? Emérico Alejandro Stengel: Sure. Industries that are leading the credit demand, as you know, our oil and gas, mining and agribusiness. But more recently, we've seen also an increase in durables. And more consistently in construction. Consumption is trailing at a lagging these leaders, but is also going to pick up as soon as we consolidate the purchasing power and salaries start going a little bit above inflation. It's interesting to note that because in many of these industries, the utilization levels were very low the reaction is very quick because it has to do with more working capital. It does not require major investments in fixed assets. So this is why the reaction has been very quickly and is picking up consistently. And at the same time, on the funding side, what we see is that sight deposits have been going up because the activity level is greater. And typically, sight deposits are a function of the working capital and the level of activity. And because inflation has been going down, then you have greater levels of sight deposits, which will help even further moving forward in the cost of funding.

Thank you Ernesto. Our next question comes now from Carlos Gomez-lopez with HSBC.

Can you hear me? Congratulations on your loan growth. You promised that you would be replacing these programs and you are doing it. So I have a couple of questions. The first one, can you confirm that the treasury securities that you have now have zero risk weighting, right? So you've been stated in Central Bank securities for treasuries, that remains the same, right? So you have not consumed any capital, although, obviously, you are taking a bit more risk by having the government and having the Central Bank. And second, can you tell us how the mortgage operation is working? Because I know initially, there were some problems. Is it okay now? Can you originate with normality?

Carlos, thank you for your questions. Regarding Central Bank and treasury notes, they have no credit risk-weighted assets. They have operational and market risk-weighted assets. Remember that credit risk-weighted assets account for approximately 7% of our total risk-weighted assets. So in general terms, it is correct. They don't have any capital requirements although, they contribute also to the -- to these 30% of operational market capital requirements. Then regarding mortgages.

Sorry, what that, I mean, that is correct. But the market risk and operational risk that also applied to the Central Bank securities, right? So that hasn't changed. Emérico Alejandro Stengel: Yes, correct. Yes, in terms of capital requirements, there are no significant differences between Central Bank and treasury securities, as these were the short term.

Okay. All right. So, you would agree that, I mean, by going from one to the other. I mean I know you are saying that the government is the same at the Central Bank, but actually, historically, it has been quite different. You are taking some more risk -- I mean which is fine, you're putting your capital toward -- but you are taking some more risk by being in government securities.

Well, the risk for the treasury is not always the same as the Central Bank, although as I say before, in the current context, we think that difference is very low. In the past, we always consider significant differences. However, we are very cautious to go from the Central Bank to the treasury in the current context and also with the liquidity guarantee because remember that although LA fees are treasury notes that's the liquidity guarantee from the central bank. So that's a mix of risk there.

But also, Carlos, it is also something taking in context, I remember that we are still -- even though inflation is going down, we're still in the high inflation country. And hopefully, it's going to go down still. But so we hold these treasuries as a hedge -- with a hedge purpose of our capital to make sure that they are hedging as inflation. Emérico Alejandro Stengel: Carlos. Regarding your question on mortgages, we are originating very well. There's a huge repressed demand, as you know, and Supervielle was the first private bank to come out with a product offering on mortgages. Just to give you a little bit of color there, right now, our average ticket size is around $80,000 official. And it's growing very consistently. Key to sustain this growth on a longer term is regulation regarding securitization, which is still pending. And that's one of the things that we're working on to be able to make sure that we continue to grow and also manage the exposure to mortgages and the consumption of capital that they will require.

And again, these are all loans in August, inflation-adjusted unit. You said your average is 50,000 -- so how much -- just to [indiscernible] how much are you originating per month or per week at this point in time? Emérico Alejandro Stengel: At this point levels are very low, because we have a huge pipeline, and there are many bureaucratic steps that have to take place. You have to have know the Republics. You have to have also the right valuation. And this is a machine that has stopped for around 4 years and it's starting to move again. But right now, we are converting these initial request for information and we are growing at a rate of roughly -- more recently, at a rate of roughly 50 mortgages per month, but this should be going up pretty soon.

Okay. So at this point, my point is, I mean, it's immaterial to your balances, but it's starting to move. Emérico Alejandro Stengel: It is starting to move, but remember, we carry mortgages from the previous period. That's why when you look at our asset composition, the representation of mortgages is higher, but you are right about the vintage, the new vintage of mortgages is right now very small. That is correct.

And if I can add one last question. I know that your view that the current economic policy is sustainable. But I imagine you also do a lot of testing. What would happen if there has to be another large devaluation, let's say, 30% or 40% in the currency. Emérico Alejandro Stengel: As you pointed out, Carlos, that's not the direction that the Ministry of Economy, the Central Bank as steering the economy, but in the hypothetical case that devaluation will take place. You will see a significant pass-through of that devaluation into inflation. You will probably have and that would create a series of adjustments in relative prices. So you will probably also see an increase in rates following suit, and that will have an impact on the activity level. But as I said, the Central Bank and the Ministry of Economy and trying to do everything to avoid that situation.

And you expect interest rates to remain at the level they are today or to go to real rate in the second half? Emérico Alejandro Stengel: My view is that there are several pressures in the credit demand that are pressing for rates to go up. At the same time, you've seen a crowding in effect as the Argentine state with frost demand from the financial sector. So it's going to be a combination between this pressure because of tighter monetary policy and the crowding in effect as the Argentine state creates less demand for credit in the market.

But again, these paid rates to go up from the current level, so to stay where they are? Emérico Alejandro Stengel: I would expect, and it's a bit of a guess right now that they will go up on the second half in real terms.

We have another new question from Marina Mertens with Latin Security. I'm sorry, we lost you. I'm sorry we could not hear you.

Can you hear me now?

Yes, it was our problem.

So in the second quarter, we observed a significant loan growth with flat deposits, which led to an increase in the loan-to-deposit ratio. How do you expect deposits to evolve in the second half of the year? And what factors do you see as the main drivers for growth?

Marina, thank you for your question. For the upcoming quarters, we see deposits growing in real terms. Although we see loans growing at a faster pace. So that will make loan-to-deposit ratio to increase, but with both sides of the equation growing. Regarding the sources of this growth, we expect it to come growth from the individuals and corporation. Also as activity rebounds across all sectors. Remember now that we are seeing a small recovery in activity, but it's very different across centers. Transactionality will increase and that will also increase funding from current accounts and savings accounts. And we are also working on several strategic initiatives to foster deposits growth.

Yes. I would say that we add in on that, that it's going to be a strong focus in fixed-term deposits or time deposits. Basically, where we expect that we will be able to attract time deposits because when fish comes down, naturally, savings starts to grow in the country for both in current accounts, sales accounts and time deposits. So we are pretty -- we are focusing on that. It's a very healthy period, I'd say.

Our next question comes from Marlon Medina with J.P. Morgan. Marlon Medina Rodríguez: So I think most of my questions have been asked, but perhaps a quick follow-up on asset quality. Today have a very strong coverage, I think, around or above 200%. So as the environment normalizes, what would be original level for coverage to convert to? And also, what would be like a reasonable NPL to assume going forward? I know today is very behaved, but as you scale the portfolio, where do you expect it to trend?

Mariano, you want to answer that?

Sure. Thank you, Marlon, for your question. Regarding coverage, it's true that now it is very high. It's above 300%. This is in part because the NPL ratio is very low. So when you have such low NPL provisions, you have on the performing portfolio because we expect those models. Of course, we have a small provision on the performing portfolio and that creates a very high coverage of the small portion of NPLs. So when NPLs returned to normal because now we are growing mainly in corporate, we have lower NPLs also the pace of the growth in real terms, I mean, real terms, also that dilutes NPLs. So when they return normal, let's say, 2% will depend on the mix of the portfolio, but if NPLs return to 2%, then that coverage will go down. I can give you a very wide range, but just have an idea, which is 100% and 200%. We shouldn't be -- we shouldn't continue to see such high levels of coverage above 300%.

We have, I think, a new question having coming from Brian Flores -- this is correct Brian?

I just wanted to make a follow-up. You made a comment, a very interesting one, right? Maybe the second half of the year with an ROE that is 10% or lower, right? Then you said middle term, you should go back to 15% and then eventually all the way to 20%. I know this is a difficult question, but do you have like an expected time line or maybe a desired time line as to when and how should this happen? Just to wrap our heads around this.

Yes, Brian. Let me give you our expectations. And of course, within the context of the visibility, we can have now without the changes also in the market environment and regulations. We expect an ROE to go below 10% in the next quarter, then pick up gradually to have 15% for the year '25. But with an increasing trend and reaching maybe that run rate of 20% ROE for the second half of the last quarter of 2025 and therefore, for the year 2026. That would be our timeline.

Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of today's Q&A session. Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in our company. We look forward to meeting more of you over the coming months and providing financial and business updates next quarter. In the interim, we remain available to answer any questions that you may have. So have a good day.