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Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Fri, Nov 8, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Comscore Third Quarter 2019 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Mr. Robert Winters. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Robert Winters

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Before we begin our prepared remarks, I'd like to remind all of you that the following discussion contains forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements include comments about our plans, expectations and prospects and are based on our view as of today, November 5, 2019. We disclaim any duty or obligation to update our forward-looking statements to reflect new information after today's call. We will be discussing non-GAAP measures during this call, for which we have provided reconciliation in today's press release and on our website. Our actual results in future periods may differ materially from those currently expected because of a number of risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties include those outlined in our 10-K, 10-Q and other filings with the SEC, which you can find on our website or at www.sec.gov. I'll now turn the call over to Comscore's Director and Chief Executive Officer, Bill Livek. Bill?

Bill Livek

Analyst

Thank you, Robert, and welcome, everyone. Thank you for joining our third quarter financial results call. I'm joined by Greg Fink, our Chief Financial Officer. Before I begin, let me start off by saying, I'm very excited to start in the new role as Comscore’s permanent CEO. I trust that that some of you may know me as the Former CEO of Rentrak, today, our TV, our on-demand and our movie business that we merged into Comscore. But that's only a bit of my 40 years of experience in measuring consumer media usage, and measuring the products that people purchase, and use in our cross-platform world. I'd like to thank our Board for trusting us with this responsibility. I would also like to thank Dale Fuller and our management team for taking the necessary actions to streamline our cost structure over the past seven months. I believe in our strategy that has been set and described in the past, our people at Comscore and our customers that have been so loyal to us. Now, it's our task to execute on that strategy. Before we discuss the quarter, the development of our innovative products would not be possible without the hard work of our talented employees. I'd like to take a moment to thank our team for their dedication to Comscore as we continue to focus on the future. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Greg who will review important actions that were taken during the third quarter, and as well as to provide an overview of our third quarter financial performance. Greg Fink?

Greg Fink

Analyst

Thanks, Bill. Last quarter, Dale outlined the primary objectives of our business, including the steps we have taken to streamline our product portfolio and to focus our teams and investments on the key product areas that we believe will drive growth in the future. Comscore future growth plans are concentrated in four key product areas, premium video and cross-platform, addressable and under-addressable TV, activation and movies. We are shifting the allocation of resources, both people and capital to align with these four key products areas in which we see the highest return potential and the quickest path to success. Following the initial steps taken in the second quarter and our continued internal review, the Company made a difficult but necessary decision to reduce our workforce by an additional 8% in August. By further rightsizing our organization and realigning resources for the future, we are confident that Comscore is in a stronger position to meet our customers’ needs going forward. In addition to these actions, we've also made efforts to reduce spending in all areas of our business. This will allow us to unlock a significant amount of go forward capital to redeploy into growth areas of our business that previously lacked the level of investments we would like to make, given the opportunities they represent. I want to briefly review a couple of the initiatives we have taken this quarter that we believe represent important organizational changes and steps taken to reposition the Company for growth going forward. First, we promoted internal leaders and hired externally for our key product areas, helping to drive new product development and establish greater accountability across the organization. Second, we integrated engineering and product development teams across the product areas, which expands opportunities for innovation and accelerates the time to market for new products.…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] The first question comes from Laura Martin with Needham. Your line is now open.

Laura Martin

Analyst

Hi, there. Congratulations. So, welcome back. Can you guys talk about what's growing and what gives you confidence that fourth quarter will grow, given that it sounds like you’re still experiencing declines in syndicated digital and customized? And then, Bill, specifically when you look -- can you remind us what the upside is in the Rentrak businesses from political, forgetting from long ago what the political upside is for 2020? Thank you.

Bill Livek

Analyst

Thank you, Lauren. Thank you for your support. Political has always been a big part of our television business. Those of you who may not have followed our television business in the past, we laid ground when Obama was first elected with taking political segments and helping the candidates maximize their television inventories. Since that time, both parties, regardless whether it's precedential, gubernatorial, senatorial, or of the house races have generally used our services. I don't believe we've broken out political as a separate category ever, but we believe we'll continue to be the standard there. In terms of the other question, Greg, I'd like to pass it over to you.

Greg Fink

Analyst

Yes. Thanks, Laura. I think, as we think about the fourth quarter, what we look at is the areas that are growing that we talked about earlier, we expect those to continue. And some of the areas that have been in decline, we expect to be slightly lower as move forward. I think, we've discussed before and as I mentioned on the call, fourth quarter is critical from a contract standpoint. And we feel confident that stemming some of those declines will be less than the impact from the growing revenue; that will ultimately result in higher revenue in the fourth quarter.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Matthew Thornton with SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Matthew Thornton

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Maybe just a couple, if I could. Can you maybe just kind of walk through the portfolio and just give us maybe the puts and takes, again, where you see the growth, obviously local, activation, again, kind of where the focus is? You talked about this a little bit last quarter, but just remind us kind of where those strategic focuses and the growth drivers are, as opposed to where, again, maybe you're kind of managing declines? And then, just secondly and relatedly, can you kind of just walk us through, Bill, now that you're kind of back at the helm here, curious to hear your thoughts on the movie measurement business in particular. And again, whether they're all synergies with that business with the rest of the TV and digital measurement business, or is that something that perhaps could be looked at as a strategic alternative? Any color on that front would be great.

Bill Livek

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Thank you, Matt. Let me address your first question where we see the areas of growth. That's been consistent. And I said in my opening remarks, I believe the Company has a darn good strategy; now, it's about execute on it. Where we see growth is in the measurement of premium video and cross-platform. And within there, there's a lot going on. Right underneath it, when we talk to our cable partners and customers, where they're really going is on the addressability. They want to deliver addressable commercials on all their new platforms. And we believe that we are best positioned to capitalize on that. The flip side of addressability is the advertising inventory that may not be the best at addressable, we call that under under-addressable. We think that's an equivalent opportunity with the big providers, and we're in -- we think we're well positioned there. The next growth area is activation, and the fourth is around movies and analytics. In terms of the movie arena, we believe, if you just talk with the large mega companies that have consolidated over the last number of years, whether it's AT&T or Comcast or Disney, at the core of how they're organized is their content divisions. And they're increasingly merging their television and their movie content. And some of their direct-to-consumer platforms, we believe they're going to continue to respect the windows and move it in the movie theaters, the theatrical release, while at the same time, right after that, they go direct to consumer. So, even though it's a business that we believe is strategic, as it's been announced in the past, the Company is going to be doing a strategic review. But personally, I think, the movie business is an important piece of the puzzle in the future. Greg, do you have anything else to add?

Greg Fink

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

No, I think that was well said.

Bill Livek

Analyst · SunTrust. Your line is now open.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Victor Anthony with Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Victor Anthony

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Great. Thanks, guys. And thanks for the color on the movie business. Just a follow-up to that. If you could just kind of clarify a bit, you filed the statements about Starboard. And I guess, you may have said that you were receiving inbound interest, maybe you could just clarify exactly what that really meant. And second, on your guidance for the fourth quarter, it looks like the consensus is essentially estimated roughly at 30% lower revenue EBITDA versus the third quarter. So, I wanted to get a sense of what the magnitude of that adjusted EBITDA that you got it for the fourth quarter is? And second to that, quite to that is really, how should we think about the EBITDA for 2020 relative to your slightly up revenue guidance?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. There's a lot there. I'm going to pass it over to Greg.

Greg Fink

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

So, thanks, Vic. I appreciate the questions. Let me make sure that I try to touch on all of them. So, I think your first question really was around the strategic options. As I mentioned in my remarks and we had said at the end of Q2 on our earnings release and call, that we are pursuing all strategic options. We continue to examine those. And, obviously, as we made that statement, people, when I talked about inbound interest, have some inbound to you regarding what that means. It means all aspects of what we think could be strategic. And I think we covered that last time around all the different options that we possibly could have. At this point, we can't really comment anything other than we're taking a look at everything that we receive as inbound, as I mentioned earlier, looking around flexibility, clarity and certainty around certain aspects of the Starboard note and we'll be evaluating all of those as we move forward. As it relates to the guidance moving forward when you think about the cost that we've taken out over 2019, I mentioned the people cost of $40 million from a compensation standpoint, you have a full run rate of that next year. So, we haven't given specifics as it relates to where we see adjusted EBITDA in 2020 more specifically as it relates to the fourth quarter, just that it will be positive and moving in a positive direction as we move throughout the year, as I said earlier. So, we haven't put any specific parameters around it. But I think, given the model out to some of the pieces that we've given as far as revenue higher than 2019 with those costs taken out of the system, I think you could model it from there.

Victor Anthony

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Just a follow-up on -- put it aside, again the flexibility with the Starboard and inbound interest. The dilution issue that you guys currently face, how should we think about that going forward?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Greg, would you like to handle the question on dilution?

Greg Fink

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Are you speaking specifically around the interest payments?

Victor Anthony

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Correct.

Greg Fink

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

So, look, as we said last quarter and we continue to say As we need to make sure that we stay above the minimum requirement by the cash covenants in the notes. We don't want to get close to that line at all, as you can imagine. And each quarter we look at where our cash position is, our current cash, forward cap, and our second capital needs that we have to make a decision in each quarter, whether or not we’ll issue shares. And as you know, we can issue shares; we can issue a combination thereof of cash and stock for cash only. So, we will evaluate that each quarter, based on as I just outlined, what our cash position is and what our cash forecast is.

Victor Anthony

Analyst · Aegis Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Alan Gould with Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Thank you. Bill, welcome back, a few questions here. First Bill, I know, you're this is probably day one as back as CEO, but you've been interim CEO and on the Board, I mean, any changes that you see making up front, I mean, what are your priorities now?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Yes. As I said earlier, the product priorities and sales priorities, I believe what Dale did is a fantastic job along with our team of right sizing our cost structure. Now, it's about executing on the strategy that's continuing to push through new products and is continuing to sell the products that we already have, and that’s around premium video and cross-platform addressable OTT, under-addressable, activation, movies and analytics, so really is focusing on the basics and using only for a long time, Alan. And I believe that our playbook historically, when we focus on the simplicity, oftentimes, that's the best approach.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

So, where are we on cross-platform at this point in time? Is there -- at one point there was a beta product out there -- all functionality? Is there a beta platform -- beta product still out there? And any suggestion as to when we could expect a commercial cross-platform product to be available?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Well, we're already commercial on some of our products. So, if you look at what we're doing that I believe is unique and special. It started with our Nexstar in local markets, where because of Comscore’s unique tagging system, they have tagged all their over the top contents, oftentimes news content. And through our unique deduplication methods, they have been able to sell their television schedules along with digital. And they're doing quite well with it. So, we're doing well, but stay tuned on that in the future. That's where we're going to be putting a lot of energy.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. And, lastly, lower national TV. How much was that lower?

Greg Fink

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

We don't specifically, Alan, break out our product revenue by category there. But, we did obviously have an impact when we look at local growth and cross-platform growth that TV and cross-platform combined were flat, but we do provide that level of granularity.

Alan Gould

Analyst · Loop Capital. Your line is now open.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next question comes from Surinder Thind with Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

I'd like to take a step back, just kind of a big picture question about the organization. Obviously, you guys have produced headcount, implemented a number of efficiency initiatives. How should we think about, maybe what more might can be done or maybe where we are in that price cycle in the sense of how much of a safety margin is there if let's say expectations are for breakeven cash flow by the end of the year. But let's say there is a maybe a downturn in the economy or maybe that the headwinds are a little bit stronger next year. How should we think about the flexibility in the organization at this point?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Thank you for that question. That’s a good one. Those of you who know me know that I always try to operate with a margin of safety. As I said earlier and it does bear repeating, the cost structure we believe has been rationalized now, so we can grow with our syndicated products off that cost base. One of the nice things about our business, most of our revenue is subscription model or behaves as if it's a subscription model. And although nothing is insulated from a downturn in the economy, over my past 40 years, one of the features I like about a business like ours are we become more important actually, when things get more difficult. Because the sellers have to use quantification more and the buyers have to use information products to justify more. So, even though no one is ever insulated from changes in the economy, these are really good business models.

Greg Fink

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

And I would just -- to your question just about expense, right, and what I would say is, we still believe there are opportunities for us to extract incremental expense. But what I would more focus on is that it's been a focus over the course of the whole year. And as you move forward, you get a full year's benefit of all of the activities. So, when you take a look at the Company's, expense through nine months or 12 months, if you want to analyze it and look at the things that we've done, the expense base going into 2020 is substantially lower than the expenses we had this year, when you at it on a runway basis. So, I think that gives us flexibility to generate at some point. We haven't given a specific point in 2020, cash Flow as opposed to getting to break even by the end of the year.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

And then, maybe just a follow-on related to the expense savings. You guys have characterize the headcount as roughly $40 million in annual run rate savings. What's the totality that you guys are looking at if you were to add in the efficiency initiatives? I just want to make sure I'm interpreting the cost savings correctly?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Yes. I mean, we haven't quantified those collectively, but it's nowhere near the magnitude of the headcount. We've been focused on that as a good gauge for as people want to think about what our 2020 expenses are. I think, there will be a lot of detail in the financial statements when we file our 10-Q regarding all the different categories of our expenses. And I think that we will bear out when you model that out what the annual savings could be. But collectively, it’s obviously not nearly as significant of a headcount but by no means is it small.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Understood. And then, one of the comments I think Bill that you made was talking a little bit about maybe redirecting some of the savings into some incremental spend or investment into some of the growth areas. Can you -- kind of a characterization you can do there, perhaps? Unless I misunderstood your comments, it sounded like that the incremental investment would be fairly helpful, meaning that there's maybe been a little bit of under investment just to make sure that the ship is righted before you guys kind of put the pedal to the metal. Any color there?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Well, again, I think the color -- the only color I would like to add is the world is changing pretty radically. And our Company is well-positioned as we think about what we do. We have a census currency and a tagging network. And we're measuring how the consumer's entertained and informed. And this is a big, big market. And we have always earned a great living in a business here by focusing on these changes. So, we do need investment that we have out of these savings now. The Company could not really invest before because it was spending way, way in advance of revenues. I believe our cost structure has been rationalized, Dale Fuller and the management team deserves a round of applause for what they've done. That was the heavy lifting. And now, it's time for great employees and the great product organization and sales organization that we have to capitalize that on that. And do investments where we need where we see the best return. That's it.

Surinder Thind

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

And then, one final question here, related to the syndicated digital revenues, I think that the comment that was made was, you would have a bit more clarity on the outlook of that segment, post the 4Q, given that there's a number of renewals. Any color on kind of what the deciding factors for clients are when they kind of make that decision, or just any thought that you can provide that maybe helps us, have a better understanding of that business in trying to come up with an independent analysis of the trajectory?

Bill Livek

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

Well, there's a lot there in that question. But as the Company has said in the past, there are a number of smaller publishers that no longer sell their ad inventory on their own. They became part of the programmatic networks. Has that run its course completely? We actually don't know. But as we look forward through the renewal cycle, we don't want to think there's any more forward guidance than as already been given. But we think we're in a nice place with our digital business. And what we have with digital, along with TV, gives us a great opportunity with cross-platform. Greg, do you have anything to add on that?

Greg Fink

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is now open.

No. I think that's great.

Operator

Operator

At this time, I'd like to turn the call back over to management for any closing remarks.

Bill Livek

Analyst

Thank you, operator, very much. And while our company is in the middle of what I believe is a strategic transformation, I really couldn't be prouder of the progress that we made in repositioning our organization to capture customer wins and develop new and innovative product solutions that are going to revolutionize the industry. We are investing in our business as we lay the groundwork for harnessing the potential that Comscore has as the future. We look forward to sharing our progress and our results to you in the upcoming quarters. So, we thank you very much for your interest in the Company and your participation. We'll talk to you all soon. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.