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Koppers Holdings Inc. (KOP)

Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Mon, Jul 27, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Koppers Business Update and Q2 Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please also note, today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference call over to Quynh McGuire. Quynh, please go ahead.

Quynh McGuire

Analyst

Thanks, and good morning. I'm Quynh McGuire, Vice President of Investor Relations. Welcome to our conference call, where we will provide a business update as well as highlight our second quarter 2020 preliminary results. We issued our press release earlier today. You may access this announcement via our website at www.koppers.com. As indicated in our announcement, we've also posted materials to the Investor Relations page of our website that will be referenced in today's call. Consistent with our practice in prior quarterly conference calls, this is being broadcast live on our website, and a recording of this call will be available on our website for replay through October 27, 2020. Before we get started, I would like to direct your attention to our forward-looking disclosure statement. Certain comments made on this conference call may be characterized as forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements involve a number of assumptions, risks and uncertainties, including risks described in the cautionary statement included in our press release and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. In light of the significant uncertainties inherent in the forward-looking statements included in the company's comments, you should not regard the inclusion of such information as a representation that its objectives, plans and projected results will be achieved. The company's actual results, performance or achievements may differ materially from those expressed in or implied by such forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during this call. References may also be made today to certain non-GAAP financial measures. The company has provided with its press release, which is available on our website, reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Joining me for our call today are Leroy Ball, President and CEO of Koppers; and Mike Zugay, Chief Financial Officer. I'll now turn this discussion over to Leroy.

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Thank you, Quynh. Welcome, everyone. Hope all you and your families are healthy and staying safe during these unusual times that we're going through. Health and safety continue to be at the forefront of Koppers as we've continued to use our Zero Harm culture to influence positive behaviors through this pandemic. Through the first half of 2020, I'm happy to report that despite all of the anxiety and distractions that have been brought on by the fear and reality of COVID-19, we finished midyear at a more favorable reportable injury run rate than last year. That's been driven by increased engagement on observations of exposures and visible hazards, which has been demonstrated to have an inverse relationship with injuries. We focus more on identifying and eliminating the hazards that exist, the less injuries that occur. Simple. Moving on now to our presentation. As shown on Slide 4, the U.S. Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency, or CISA, an agency of the Department of Homeland Security continues to classify Koppers as an essential business according to its guidelines. With this designation, we can continue our operations that help to transport critical goods, provide power and connectivity to homes and businesses to keep our infrastructure running reliably. Our employees take pride in doing their part to support the global economy. Moving on to the health and well-being of our employees, an update is provided on Slide 6. We have seen our numbers increase over the past month or so, leading us to reinforce the importance of employees adhering to the guidelines we've put in place. So far, 28 Koppers employees have tested positive with only 2 locations where it was suspected to be from a spread at a Koppers facility. At this point, about 19% of employees have self-identified as haven't been…

Michael Zugay

Analyst

Thanks, Leroy. In our press release, we provided preliminary results for the second quarter of 2020, and our financial discussion is based on these preliminary results. If you go to Slide 14, you'll see that our consolidated sales were 435 -- $437 million, a slight decrease from sales of $444 million in the prior year. Sales for RUPS increased to $210 million, up from $199 million for the prior year. PC sales rose to $137 million from $121 million, and CM&C sales fell to $90 million from $124 million. Moving on to Slide 15. Preliminary adjusted EBITDA was $60 million compared with $63 million in the prior year. EBITDA for RUPS increased to $23 million, up from $19 million in the prior year. PC's EBITDA rose to $29 million from $21 million. And CM&C EBITDA fell to $7 million from $23 million. Sales for RUPS, as shown on Slide 16, were a new year-over-year quarterly sales record. The sales increase was due to increased crosstie volumes, favorable pricing for commercial crossties, a record sales quarter for our U.S. utility pole business as well as improved demand in Australia. EBITDA for RUPS on Slide 17 was a second quarter record, driven by record quarterly EBITDA for our UIP business and record quarterly EBITDA for our maintenance-of-way businesses as well as increased crosstie production and lower SG&A expenses. Sales for PC on Slide 18 were a record sales quarter and was driven by sales to our top 10 customers. The sales increase reflected strong demand in North America from increased home repair and remodeling activities during this pandemic, and they were partially offset by lower demand in all of our international markets. EBITDA for PC on Slide 19 was also a quarterly record due to higher sales volume, greater absorption on higher…

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Now I'd like to provide some insights related to our business segments as well as customer supplier centers. Slide 26 of our presentation shows our Utility and Industrial Products Group. This business experienced a strong first half, producing the best second quarter and half year in sales and adjusted EBITDA in the brief time we've owned the business. And while we still anticipate a solid second half of 2020, we are hearing that certain utilities are having issues securing line hardware and transformers, which could push some second half project back to later in the year or even out into 2021. Now that said, we're pleased to report that the lines of communication are getting more active about moving on to other treatment solutions as Cabot Microelectronics continues down the path to cease pentachlorophenol production at the end of this year. While we continue to evaluate various options to add copper and arsenate to our preservative portfolio, we are working with a number of utilities that have shown interest in looking at our CCA and creosote for pole treatment as an alternative to the penta preservatives. In terms of current activities, we're seeing utilities in northern states indicating steady demand as pandemic-related restrictions have lessened, while utilities in the southern states are showing a slight pullback in their activities, partially due to fears with the resurgence of the virus. We're seeing increased quoting activity in the piling market after a brief law as restrictions are lifted on construction projects, but we remain cautious on how much will get done in cases continue to rise. For the pole recovery services, interest appears to be increasing from larger utility customers requesting project proposals, which is an encouraging sign. For now, the availability of raw materials and the supply chain…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question today comes from Chris Howe from Barrington Research.

Christopher Howe

Analyst

Congrats on these preliminary results. They're quite outstanding, especially given the uncertain environment that we're still in. So just going through some of the comments, I'm definitely encouraged by the continuing positive signs in RUPS. You mentioned the CM&C segment is nearer at the bottom. PC segment continuing its strong demand levels and you have the positive signs for debt reduction to 3.7 to 4.0x. But digging in more to the PC segment, perhaps you can share a little bit more detail about the international markets. I know it remains weak, down 15% year-over-year. But you mentioned also that you do expect to see some improvement as we move through the back half of the year. Perhaps some insight as to what type of drag does it put on margins and profitability in the second quarter? In other words, in a more normal environment within the international space, what could margins for the segment be as a whole?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Chris, it's okay. It's a good question. I think I'll start by saying that I think we reflected it in a couple of different places, both in the release as well as in the presentation, the fact that the international operations were down significantly year-over-year in the second quarter, I think, 15% on the top line. And even more significant than that as it relates to its profit generation. Just -- without getting into too many specifics, there's no question that the U.S. piece of the business carries the day in the second quarter. We -- and produce pretty impressive margins overall as a result. I think if we would have seen results that would have been more in line with typical profits on the international side of things, would have helped us slightly. And I'd say slightly because even in the best of times, the U.S. piece of our business dominates this business segment. It is 2/3 to a little more than 70% of the overall top line and bottom line. So I think with what we've seen in the second quarter in these other countries, it's been certainly a much more, I'd say, cautious approach to managing through the pandemic. And we obviously had an operation in New Zealand that shut down for a period of time, which we did not experience anywhere else. We certainly saw a decline in activity despite the fact that we were considered essential businesses in all other the operating locations, and that absolutely had an impact on our operations. But all those areas have been slower, too, if you will, actively reopen their economies. And even as they have, I think people have been slower to go back to resuming, if you will, normal activity. So while it's been rough to see…

Christopher Howe

Analyst

That's great. Very helpful color. And if I may, just one follow-up on that. You mentioned a 26% increase in volume that you saw in residential decking and that you sold down the stock, and you're working to secure more raw material to meet the influx in demand. How should we think at demand versus supply currently? And how that should impact as we look further out into Q3 and Q4?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Well, we're still playing catch up. So we're running all full out, selling everything that we have. We'll see -- because we've been able to draw inventory down, I think we saw a boost from that in the latter part of the second quarter. We won't see that as we move out into the third quarter. So I don't expect that the third quarter sales numbers will necessarily be quite as strong because we don't have inventory to draw upon. But we're producing full out and selling everything we have. Where I think we'll start -- we'll see maybe a little more benefit will be heading into the fourth quarter, again, where we typically see a little more of a slowdown. Again, relatively speaking, we're going to probably see -- I'm sure we'll see a seasonal decline in the fourth quarter, but it won't be as sharp as it typically would be just as we're continuing to fill the back end of the demand and help the retailers restock.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Laurence Alexander from Jefferies.

Laurence Alexander

Analyst

Congrats on a good quarter in this environment. I guess, first, can you help us with the cost-cutting that you've done? How much of it do you see as structurally lowering your breakevens? And how much do you expect to feather back in as demand conditions normalize in 2021 and 2022?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

So Laurence, I'd say -- if I kind of just walk down through the categories that we're talking about, on the compensation and benefits side, we've put a hiring freeze on. So we've not had to let people go. But we've put a hiring freeze on for some positions that we were hoping to add that would be additive to some of the things that we are looking to do in terms of improving various processes as the business continues to grow. We're seeing a little less, if you will, incentive compensation accruals as a result of at least the numbers tracking slightly lower than where we were expecting to be coming into the beginning of the year from an EBITDA standpoint. So I think that once the situation stabilizes and we gained some comfort coming out, we'll look to add some of these positions that we were hoping to fill, some of them being replacement, some of them being new. Again, depending upon how the business performs, we could see those numbers move back up to the levels that they were at before. So I would say that one -- at some point in time, we'll likely move back in line with where we were at prior. Travel and entertainment is an interesting one, right? Obviously, not a whole lot you can do, either travel wise or in terms of congregating in groups and being with customers and things like that. So that one will certainly last through the pandemic. And even coming out, I think that we'll see opportunities to get together differently, and there will absolutely be longer-lasting benefits that come through on the travel and entertainment side of things. We won't end up retaining all of it because there -- I still believe -- we still…

Laurence Alexander

Analyst

And then there's a lot of moving parts and mix effects across the portfolio. How do you think about margins sequentially or just comparing first half to second half? Are -- your gross profit EBITDA, whichever you prefer?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Well, I think that I would expect this second half that we should probably see margins that are in line, if not slightly better, than first half margins. And that will primarily be driven by the poorer first quarter that we experienced. So I think we're going to see relative -- our second, third quarters are typically our strongest; first and fourth, weakest. And second and third can always flip back and forth in terms of which one's stronger, first and fourth can only flip back and forth in terms of which one is weaker. In this case, I think that our third quarter is one that will be certainly strong and could rival our -- could rival our second quarter performance, whereas our fourth quarter performance, at this stage, although there's still a lot of question marks, I feel better about where the fourth quarter should end up compared to what we did in the first quarter. So on balance, I think that margin-wise, we should be able to match if not slightly exceed first half margins.

Laurence Alexander

Analyst

Great. And then just the last one just on the railroad business, what's the current mix between maintenance-of-way and historical crosstie business?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

It's a good question. I'd say that our maintenance-of-way business at this stage is probably somewhere just south of 20% maybe...

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Liam Burke from B. Riley FBR.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Leroy, Mike in his prepared statements mentioned that the utility -- U.S. utility pole business had a record year, had a record quarter. What has been driving that? I understand that the utilities are investing, but was there any share gain? Or was it just straight increased demand from your end markets?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

It's tough to say, Liam. I would say there's always some customers that move back and forth and things like that. I'd say for the most part, it's been higher demand levels. The market, in general, we had expected to see pretty decent demand out of one of the reasons that we elected to get back into the market. And there's some spot and/or possible concern, if you will, that, again, some demand might have been pulled forward into the first half. And that's one of the reasons why we're sort of taking a little bit more cautious approach and look at the second half of the year. But all in all, we still expect to see overall sales numbers and EBITDA numbers at their highest levels that we've seen since we've owned the business. So like I said, the overall fundamentals of the markets remain strong and our position in that business remains strong.

Liam Burke

Analyst

Great. And Mike, do you anticipate any additional need or increase in CapEx this year? Or can you manage the sales growth with the current budget?

Michael Zugay

Analyst

Yes. We're projecting the CapEx, Liam, to be on an annual basis, somewhere between $50 million and $60 million. And when we first gave guidance for 2020, we anticipated that to be $60 million to $70 million. So we've knocked about $10 million off of that. And we think there's a little bit of possibility of additional expenditures in one of our plants because of the closure of the Denver facility. But as it stands right now, halfway through the year, we're pretty confident that we're going to be in that $50 million to $60 million CapEx range.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Mike Harrison from Seaport Global Securities.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

Congratulations on the strong results here. I was wondering, as we're looking at the Performance Chemicals business, you mentioned the higher costs associated with freight. I think you also mentioned the higher copper intermediates and maybe some third party spend. Can you give us a little bit more color on how much of copper intermediates you're able to meet internally versus how much you have to purchase externally? And then can you pass any of that through to your customers? Obviously, in a situation where supply and demand dynamics are what they are, one would think that there are some ways to get pricing a little bit higher even though there are contracts in place.

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Yes. So touching on the last question first. I think we're obviously always sensitive as it relates to our cost structure and ability to pass that on to customers. Obviously, this is a strange and unusual time, but we do have agreements in place with our customers that have been extremely dedicated, long-serving customers that have been leaders in the industry in terms of growing and consolidating. And it's helped actually pass to build our business out as well. So we not only view them as customers. In many ways, we view them as partners. And so we're very sensitive to how we handle those sorts of instances. Let's just say, we continue to do very well, even with having to go out in the market and pay and increase price for intermediate raw materials to meet their demand levels. We tend to look at things on more of a go-forward basis in terms of structurally, how are things changing? And what, if anything, does that necessitate in terms of having to pass any cost increases on longer term. So in the short term, in these sorts of situations, we eat that cost now. In situations where we've seen higher costs as a result of tariffs and things like that, we have been successful in working with our customers to pass those sorts of cost increases on. As it relates to just general market dynamics and especially one where -- if you will, everybody is winning, we're pretty happy with what we have and want to maintain our relationships for the long term. And so that's how we manage that by more or less eating the cost of those cost increases. In terms of percentage, as it relates to our overall usage requirements, I'd -- it's moved around quite a bit. And obviously, with the numbers changing so dramatically this year, I can't even -- Mike might have a response to that. But I -- off hand, off the top of my head, I can't give you a number. Mike, do you know?

Michael Zugay

Analyst

Yes. Mike, we had spent over the last 3 years, about $27 million in CapEx in the PC group, to get us back to very close to producing 100% of the 2 main feedstocks that we use, BCC and copper oxide. And I believe we got to the point where we were 90% to 95% producing those 2 raw material feedstocks on our own. But this increase in volume that we've mentioned in this call in Q2 has dropped that back slightly to the point now where we're out in the market going ahead and buying both of those as well. So maybe from 90% to 95% to maybe 80% to 85% is what we're producing currently. And we have plans to import the rest for the rest of 2020. So we anticipated an increase, and we spent the CapEx money. And we got pretty close to producing 100% internally. But again, given the current influx of the additional volumes in North America we're dropping back slightly from those percentages. I hope that helps a little bit.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

Yes, that's helpful. And then maybe a related question is, are you able to -- is that the main bottleneck? In other words, as long as you're able to access third-party copper intermediate supply, are you able to get customers everything they need? Or are there other places where you're, otherwise, capacity-constrained and maybe have some of your customers on allocation?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Mike, it's Leroy. No, that's the main constraint. So we can make more -- we just need more intermediate.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

All right. And then switching over to RUPS, you mentioned that pricing to commercial railroad customers was up in the quarter. Has there been some demand recovery there? Because I believe that in your previous updates, you had said that commercial customers had pulled back on tie purchases.

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Yes, in fact, even in this, I think, a commentary, we've talked about the fact that we've seen bidding levels beginning to decline. So volumes, I think, have tapered off a little bit. We're still seeing pretty good year-over-year pricing in the second quarter and first half of this year. But as we're seeing bidding activity soften, we're also seeing pricing soften as well. So that's going to be -- that's going to be a little bit of a headwind in the second half of the year for RUPS.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

All right. And then over on the CM&C side of the business, 2 quick questions. One, on the KJCC divestiture, you had said July to mid-August. We're at the end of July. Any updated thoughts on when that divestiture could close?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

I wish I could tell you more. What we have in the press release is really all that I'm able to say, which I think it says it's expected to close in the third quarter. We're unfortunately bound by some really strict confidentiality requirements related to the agreements. And as a result, the language that is used is very carefully put together by the attorneys here, and I'm really not allowed to expound on it.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

Okay. But this is a different situation than what you were in when there were a lot of moving pieces around negotiations before you announced the sale. Because I recall that those deadlines seemed to keep slipping, and they were slipping by full months at a time, but you feel pretty good about the third quarter?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

We -- as we sit here today, we feel good about the third quarter.

Michael Harrison

Analyst

Okay. And then last question is on the Stickney plant. I believe there's some Illinois River lock maintenance going on during the third quarter. Do you expect to see any impact on your shipping cost? Do you move a lot of stuff by barge using the Illinois River lock system?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

We do move some stock by barge. We -- the impacts that we would expect to see are contemplated in our numbers. And while we likely will see something, again, materially speaking, as it relates to that business, it shouldn't be that huge and, again, is reflected in what we've put forth in the guidance and commentary we've issued today.

Michael Zugay

Analyst

Yes. Mike, from a raw material standpoint, we barge up the river to Stickney a lot of orthoxylene. And of course, we had to make arrangements with the river closure happening, we had to make arrangements. So what we did is we prepurchased a lot of that orthoxylene before the river closure. And if everything goes according to plan with the river and it reopens on time, we are not going to miss a beat on orthoxylene feedstock of ours.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Chris Shaw from Monness, Crespi & Company.

Christopher Shaw

Analyst

And a great job on the numbers. I actually disconnected for a while by mistake, so I apologize if this has been asked. But I guess my big surprise was RUPS. I mean I could have -- the PC has surprised, I could understand more. But RUPS, I guess, was it just a function of a lot of little things, maintenance away, commercial pricing, Class I? I thought commercial is going to be weaker. I thought that was the suggestion, but I know that might have been more of a second half issue. So maybe just again, round up, if there was one particular thing that surprised you as well? Or just sort of talk about all those things that sort of built up to that?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

Yes. As it tends to be, it was a number of factors, certainly. We saw maintenance-of-way strengthening coming into the quarter. We knew it was going to be a better quarter. And maintenance-of-way has been a drag for 3 successive quarters on that business. So the improvement there, which was expected, certainly contributed. I would say that the contribution was actually better than what we thought. As I mentioned -- I think as we mentioned a couple of different times, it was a record level of EBITDA generation for maintenance-of-way in the quarter, which we did not expect it to be that high, but we did expect it to be significantly improved over the first quarter. Utility business, again, also record level EBITDA. So that was a strong contributor. Yes, commercial pricing was up a little bit. And we had started to see some of the softness in the middle of the second quarter. And like I said, we'll probably see that as a headwind as we get to the back half of the year. But year-over-year, again, it was maintenance-of-way. It was utility. Even our Australian utility business was strong. A little bit better in commercial pricing and then volumes on Class Is were pretty strong during the second quarter as well. So a bunch of little pieces that added up to the overall improvement.

Christopher Shaw

Analyst

I think you mentioned that you were some concern in the maintenance-of-way that there was some pull forward. Is there any concern on the Class I volumes? Or was -- I forget, was the Class I volume strength sort of -- was there some -- just kind of that coming in because there were some -- I thought was there issues around the wood and when the wood availability was coming. Was that the issue?

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

'Well, so on the Class Is, the -- we early on, we started to see strong volumes from certain of our Class I customers and as we got further into it, realize that, again, as certain Class Is tend to do during times of lesser traffic, they amp up their maintenance activities. And so that -- we have absolutely seen that from a couple of our Class I customers. So in terms of pull forward, it remains to be seen. If at some point, they complete their program, which they're scheduled to complete their program with us a couple of customers sometime here in the third quarter, did they -- how much do they pull back, if at all, at that point in time? Or do they -- or they try and get ahead of 2021 by putting as much work into 2020 as possible? That's a little bit of the wildcard as we head into the back year for RUPS. Now on the other hand, we also have a few customers that we did have some wood availability issues with earlier in the year, and they weren't able to do as much as they had wanted, and we're starting to see some of that free up. So what we're hoping is that some of that improvement helps to balance out any potential pullback on the Class Is who have really taken advantage of the greater track time to amp up their maintenance efforts. So there's some uncertainty in the back half. I'd say more as we get to the end of the third quarter heading into the fourth quarter, on the RUPS business. So we'll know more, obviously, as things move forward.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, with that, we will conclude today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference call back over to President and CEO, Leroy Ball, for closing remarks.

Leroy M. Ball

Analyst

I want to thank everybody for taking the time to participate on today's call. I really appreciate your interest in the company, and thank you for your continued support. Looking forward to talking to you sometime again in August. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now concluded. We do thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.