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Ingredion Incorporated (INGR)

Q4 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 2, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience and standing by, and welcome to the Ingredion Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference. At this time, all of your participant lines are in a listen-only mode and later there'll be an opportunity for question. And just as a brief reminder, today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn our conference over to Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications, Heather Kos.

Heather Kos - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning, and welcome to Ingredion's fourth quarter 2016 earnings call. Joining me on the call this morning are Ilene Gordon, our Chairman, President and CEO; and, Jack Fortnum, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our results were issued this morning in a press release that can be found on our website, ingredion.com. The slides accompanying this presentation can also be found on the website and were posted a few hours ago for your convenience. As a reminder, our comments within this presentation may contain forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results could differ materially from those predicted in the forward-looking statements, and Ingredion is under no obligation to update them in the future as, or if, circumstances change. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed during today's conference call or in this morning's press release can be found in the company's most recently filed Annual Report on Form 10-K and subsequent reports on Forms 10-Q and 8-K. During this call, we will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted earnings per share, adjusted operating income and adjusted effective tax rate, which are reconciled to U.S. GAAP measures in Note II. Non-GAAP Information, included in our press release. Now, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Ilene.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Heather, and let me add my welcome to everyone joining us today. We appreciate your time and interest. Now, before we begin, I'm sure most of you saw our announcement earlier this morning of Jack Fortnum's retirement. He has been a terrific business partner and tremendous asset to the company, and he will be missed. I'd like to personally thank him for his 33 years of unwavering commitment and leadership in making Ingredion the company that it is today. On behalf of our executive leadership team, our 11,000 employees and our directors, we wish you all the best in your retirement. Now, on to the business at hand. I will give more details on the fourth quarter in a moment, but first I'd like to look back on 2016. Overall, I'm pleased our business model and strategic plan continued to deliver shareholder value. We ended the year with record EPS and operating income, while generating record operating cash flow of $771 million. North America, Asia Pacific and EMEA had record high operating income, while South America was down due to macroeconomic and foreign exchange headwinds in the region. Our higher value specialty ingredient sales mix grew one percentage point to 26% of revenues. And our continuous improvement efforts in global footprint optimization lowered our cost structure and contributed to our margin expansion. Acquisition and specialty ingredient growth were offset by the sale of our Port Colborne facility and lower volumes in South America due to macroeconomic headwinds. As a result, volumes were flat overall and price mix finished strong for the year, up 6%. Now, our cash flow from operations and strong balance sheet enabled us to deploy cash to advance our strategic blueprint. We increased our quarterly dividend 11% and our return on capital employed was 12.6%, exceeding…

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thank you, Ilene. Good morning, everyone. Let me start by covering the highlights of the income statement. Net sales were down $6 million for the quarter. Unfavorable foreign exchange and lower volumes in South America and North America offset a favorable product mix in both our specialty and core ingredients, as well as favorable pricing in South America and North America. Gross profit was higher by $26 million as a result of favorable price/product mix in both our specialty and core ingredients and margin expansion as a result of our optimization efforts. Reported and adjusted operating incomes were $189 million and $194 million, respectively. Reported operating income was lower than adjusted operating income by $5 million. This difference is related to employee-related severance in North America, cost associated with the execution of information technology outsourcing, as well as integration and acquisition costs. Our reported and adjusted earnings per share were $1.26 and $1.67, respectively. $0.36 of this difference is related to the pending settlement of the matter under the U.S.-Canada tax treaty we explained last quarter, with the remaining difference attributable to impairment and restructuring charges as well as integration and acquisition costs. Moving on to the net sales bridge, our sales of $1.4 billion were relatively flat versus last year. Favorable price/product mix contributed $56 million. This was partially offset by $12 million of foreign exchange headwinds and a volume decrease of $50 million. If you recall, we explained for the past year that with the sale of Port Colborne, we expected our organic volumes to be down as we shed sales of lower margin ingredients. As we look more closely by region, you can see unfavorable foreign exchange affected us in two of the four regions, though to varying degrees. In North America, volume was down 6%, driven…

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I'm pleased with our results this quarter and year. From a strategic perspective, our business model and blueprint for growth are working. Our momentum continues on a positive trajectory and we continue to prepare for the future. Our global footprint and diverse customers balance regional and sector risks. Our innovation capabilities and portfolio of on-trend ingredients give us a competitive advantage. And we continue to grow our on-trend specialty ingredients, expanding our texture, wholesome, sweetness and nutritional offerings. And our network of Ingredion Idea Labs enables us to collaborate side by side with customers, adapting innovations from country to country and customizing solutions for local preferences and tastes. From our foundation of operating excellence, we continue to optimize our cost structure for the future while investing for growth in our specialty business. Regionally, all four regions are expected to be up. With our strong balance sheet, we expect to continue deploying our capital for growth, network optimization, acquisitions and other actions to deliver excellent shareholder value. And now, we're glad to take your questions.

Operator

Operator

And our first question comes from the line of Rob Moskow of Credit Suisse. Your line is open. Robert Moskow - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Hi. Thank you, everybody. And, Jack, it's been great working with you. Congratulations on your retirement. Just a phenomenal job with the company. Thank you so much for all your help over the years.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Rob. Robert Moskow - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: So, Ilene and Jack, I think a lot of investors are kind of trying to think through the global trade environment, especially with Mexico. What would happen if there were some kind of action taken by Mexico to block HFCS imports in response to the spat over sugar? Do you have any update for us as to – I thought in January there was going to be some kind of action by our Department of Commerce on our accusations of Mexico's dumping of sugar into the U.S. Is there any update there, or is just everything kind of up in the air right now? Thanks.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I'll start off and then I'll turn it to Jack, but there is no update. And I would say that trade is really a complex issue and all the trade deals need to be carefully negotiated. And, of course, we support fair and open trade. But I also think about that food is a local business, and we manufacture ingredients around the world in 40 different countries and sell into 100 countries. And, really, the vast majority of our ingredients are made and used locally. So, while we benefit from free trade, we'd probably be less impacted by changes in trade deals than some others. But I would say that there's been no update on any type of changes as it relates to the sugar industry; and, Jack, I don't know if you want to add anything to that.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

No. I think you covered it fairly well, Ilene. We're obviously in a period of a little bit of uncertainty, but fundamentally I think that the – if you think about the mechanics of the North American Free Trade Agreement, we can't anticipate what changes will be made; but, I think, in general, free trade is good. And as Ilene said, we're well-positioned in all three countries with operations in all three countries. So, we're still feeling fairly comfortable with our position. Robert Moskow - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Okay. And just to follow up about the guidance for 2017, I was trying to bridge what it implies for overall operating profit growth. And when I took into account the EBITDA contribution from TIC Gums, I didn't get very much – something low single digit kind of operating profit for the core operations. And I think that's a little below your normal algorithm. Is that any kind of a – are you setting a tone for us here about having – the past two years being so strong that maybe it's time to be a little more conservative about what the base business is doing, or maybe the math is different?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

No, Rob, I think we'll have to go through the math a little bit. I think we're fairly comfortable that even after coming off of a very strong 2016, we're actually looking at our algorithm and saying that we're principally sticking with it. If you look at the earnings per share, even at the lower end, you're in that 4% to midpoint 7%, or 9% if you look at the top end. And we're still – I think the one thing that we're still looking at is that while we're comfortable with where South America is, there's a lot of variability in that region. And so, we're still being fairly conservative in terms of how we look at that region going forward. So, I'm actually – I think that the long-term algorithm continues to work very well from our perspective, and I think Ilene probably should add a couple of comments on her view of how the business is looking.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I also would add – and the TIC, we said it was $0.04 or $0.05 accretive. So, we are anticipating growth in the earnings. And, of course, it's all about our trade-up strategy to grow the specialties, and we feel that we continue on the trajectory to get to the 30% by 2019. Now, I think that, also, we are talking about what I call the organic part of our business in this type of guidance and that we still have the opportunity with our strong balance sheet to use it – to use that for other types of M&A. It could be early in the year, later in the year. We continue to focus on our pipeline about specialty types of acquisitions that, again, will build on broadening the portfolio, similar to how we've done with TIC with the focus on these small- and medium-sized customers. So, I think the guidance reflects the core, the base, and the trade-up in the specialty, but we continue to look for opportunities that will create shareholder value using the other part of our balance sheet. Robert Moskow - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: So, just to clarify, is TIC adding about $30 million of EBITDA to the 2017 results?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

No, Rob. I think if you think about it – if you back in from the $0.05 a share that we had kind of commented on, you add the, let's call it, 4% interest on the $400 million, so that's $16 million type of range. And so, you're up around $22 million type of range in terms of the EBITDA – EBIT number; the difference being is we do have amortization of some of the intangibles and things like that that would pick it back up into those ranges. And so, your number's fairly close, except for the incremental amortization of the intangibles which will come about on the acquisition accounting. Robert Moskow - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC: Got it. That makes sense. Okay. Thanks so much.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Farha Aslam with Stephens. Your line is open.

Farha Aslam - Stephens Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Farha Aslam - Stephens Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Jack, my congratulations as well. It's been wonderful working with you.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Farha Aslam - Stephens Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

A question on North America and, in particular, kind of your outlook for pricing in North America. Do you expect this year pricing, we should think of it as a positive or will the pressure of lower commodities and Mexico pressure pricing down?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Well, you know, Farha, obviously, one of the things we said is – well, I don't think we really commented on the contracting. I think we're very pleased with the way contracting turned out this year. It kind of turned out as we anticipated. And so, if you think about North America, we're in a good place from a go-forward perspective, both on our core and our specialty business. And as we alluded to even in the past, we started up our new facility in terms of specialty ingredients here in the U.S., and so that should help us as well in our margin improvement as well in North America. So, we're fairly good with North America at this point in time.

Farha Aslam - Stephens Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Helpful. And if I could have some color on South America, you highlighted that 2017 would be better than 2016. I'm just trying to understand a little bit how much better South America could be, because that's tough to call. Does it look kind of like 2013 when we had a fairly robust business, or is it kind of a more subdued recovery?

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I'll start off. South America, of course, there's different pieces to that, and I've talked a lot about Colombia that has continued to perform well in the economy and opportunities, and even growing in the specialty. So, we continue to be excited about that. I also look at the GDP forecast in Brazil, and it's still a positive for 2017, which is a change from the negative in 2016. So, we would expect Brazil to continue on a positive trajectory; but, again, it's still a challenging environment there, though our team has done very well in optimizing the footprint. I think the big challenge is really in Argentina, and the government has taken some very good steps to do the right things for the economy long term. It has been a little bit painful for some of the consumers during 2016 when the government removed some of the subsidies on the utilities, and so consumers had less disposable income and they've moved that around. And so, we don't see it going back to the 2013 level for us for 2017, but yet an improvement over 2016. So, we do see the slow recovery coming in the Southern Cone. And I'm excited about Brazil and the opportunity to grow specialty – well, Brazil and Colombia, and eventually in Argentina and Southern Cone, because I see consumers wanting these healthy solutions and our having the ability to take solutions from one part of the company and then adapt it to the local taste. So, we still see 2017 up, but not as robust as you might have seen a few years ago. Anything you want to add, Jack?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I just want to add a bit of clarity with respect to the Southern Cone because as you recall, we've already – in 2012 and 2013, Southern Cone was earning probably excess earnings at that point in time, as we've talked to in the past. And we don't even envision over the next couple years getting back up to that $100 million type of level that they were earning at that point in time that we commented to. And so, we're seeing modest improvement in the Southern Cone. I think Brazil and the Andean Region are fine, it's just the wage inflation in the Southern Cone has been a variable which has kind of changed around our view a little bit in terms of the recovery there; because, you see the corn and the sugar prices, which Argentina primarily is – or Southern Cone is primarily a sugar and corn commodity and core ingredient type of environment. They've kind of started to move more into what I would call international pricing, but we're still left with wage inflation which can only be taken – corrected through either actions and/or devaluations and/or other components. Then, we're working through that in terms of making sure our plants are as efficient as possible at this point in time.

Farha Aslam - Stephens Inc.

Analyst · Stephens. Your line is open.

Very helpful. Thank you so much.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Welcome.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of David Driscoll of Citi. Your line is open.

Cornell R. Burnette - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Good morning. This is Cornell in with a few questions for David.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good. Good morning, Cornell.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Cornell R. Burnette - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. Great. So, the first one is just could you go into maybe some of the pressure points that get you to the higher end of the guidance range or the lower end of the guidance range?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Sure. Let me start at the bottom and kind of work up because, obviously, there's a lot of concern in terms of how you're going to forecast the interest – I mean, the foreign exchange rates and how quickly we can price through any of those different elements. The other component – I guess, the other two components at the lower end of the range is really volume-driven because both in South America, will there be a speedy recovery and our volumes improve, particularly in the Southern Cone? And even in Mexico, we put a little bit of downside on some of their volumes, if required, because I think that that's kind of driving some of the downside – the bottom part of our range. And the other thing is is we have Brexit going on. And while our UK sales are less than 2% of our business, essentially you still have some devaluation there that's happening a little bit faster than we would anticipate – not anticipate, but we can correct in terms of pricing. But as we – I think the other thing is we're kind of moving into some different components where, when you start to look at the top side of the range, we have some volume opportunities. How quickly can we grow our specialty business in different components of the world? Can Southern Cone pick up in terms of some of its volume? And so, that really is like on the positive side in getting it up to $7.80. And so, I would say that, in general, we're fairly comfortable with that range right now, and we'll narrow it as the year progresses as we know more and more. And maybe I'll just ask Ilene if she has any comments in terms of...

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. The other thing I would add is, as you know, in 2016, we brought on new capacity in Thailand and the U.S. for some of our specialty ingredients. And so, 2017 is a year where you work with customers very closely to scale those up. And so, that's an opportunity to be on the higher end of the range if we can bring those on faster than the middle would indicate. And so, I think that that's exciting and it's part of our specialty strategy to create these healthy value-added ingredients.

Cornell R. Burnette - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay. And then, when I look at the different components of the guidance when you talked about the different regions, I think in the slides you said EMEA would be up, but just modestly; South America would be up. But given your comments, it seems like the environment there is still challenging. So, it would seem just on the surface that a lot of the growth next year really is coming from North America. So, one, is that the right way to look at it? And then, two, what does that speak to maybe the strength and the tightness in the North American sweetener market and kind of how contracting went?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah, I guess, let me start by – in reverse order because – and, first of all, I'd like to say that our APAC and EMEA businesses are still both looking very good. So, we sometimes don't talk enough about those, but they've continued on a nice growth trajectory over the last few years and I expect that to continue. In South America, as I said, that's probably where the widest range is in our forecast. And then, if you go to North America, as I commented earlier, I think we were very pleased with the way contracting turned out. And as you know, I think that 2017 is looking fairly good from that vantage point. I think that – I believe, looking forward, we have the TIC Gums acquisition included in our North American results, which should put those numbers up as well. And so, yes, North America is fairly good, but I think we're fairly comfortable that there's nothing in that sweetener market. I think people kind of reflect back. And we do all like to highlight – sweeteners, like the HFCS business, is still less than 10% of our business. And so, it's not like the major portion of our business or anything like that anymore. And so, we're driving the growth in many other avenues as well.

Cornell R. Burnette - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

And then, just one more, if I could. You mentioned kind of plant shutdown, I believe, in North America during the quarter for maintenance. Just quickly, how much of the volume decline was represented by that? And then, secondly, kind of what's the impact to profits in the quarter and does that come back sometime in 2017?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Let me put that into a larger framework as well, if I could, because as you know, last year we sold our Port Colborne facility. And so, we were reconfiguring our entire network over the course of the year, and that usually – some of our facilities we were trying to time how they would shut down at different points in time. And so, we kind of moved one of our major shutdowns to the fourth quarter this year, which is probably a better time to be taking it from filling out the network and that being the slower part of our seasonality. And so, really, they – there's probably about 1% of the volume decline in North America which is really just attributable to that. And I want to highlight that that's just the co-products, because that's kind of the production of the co-product that come through and we just sell it type of thing. So, it's not really head product or any – like most of our other products that weren't impacted at all. And then you got – you still had – if you think about that whole 6% reduction in North America, you had about 3% coming out of Port Colborne just because the way we ran Port Colborne to build some of the inventories for the first quarter and got it orchestrated at the end of last year to make the first quarter flow properly through our customer commitments there. And then, we had a little bit of rebalancing and shedding some product down in Mexico. We have the expansion coming on at the end of the first quarter next year as well in Mexico. And so, what we're doing is trying to position our volume there a little bit, so that we're all set for the products that are going to be produced after the first quarter with the expansion down in Mexico. So, there's a lot of moving pieces. So, if you think about it in a big picture, about half of it's Port Colborne, maybe 1% in terms of some of the shutdown, and the rest of it's just a general rebalancing of the network. So, I hope that helps you and kind of clarify what that – why some of those reductions were where they were. It was well planned and, I think, well executed from our vantage point.

Cornell R. Burnette - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Analyst

Okay, very good. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from the line of Akshay Jagdale with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Akshay Jagdale - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Hey. Good morning and, Jack, congratulations on your retirement. You will be missed.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thanks, Akshay.

Akshay Jagdale - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

So just going back to – or continuing on this rebalancing of the plant network, is there a way to – I mean, that was very useful what you just said about the volumes, but is there a way to quantify that as far as EBIT impact or anything like that to give us a sense as to what the quarter would have looked like if you hadn't taken those actions?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Let me say it differently. That's one of the reasons why we don't give quarterly guidance a lot of times, because we do take these shutdowns in different quarters in different years. This year, it just happened that in the fourth quarter we kind of moved it from what was historically a second quarter type of event. And so, I think that – I don't think there's anything – if you look at the full years and things like that, there's very little difference. That's what I'm trying to get at is that we might take in the second quarter or first quarter, so when you're looking at the comps there's some difference on the quarterly basis, but that can also arise due to the fact that corn can be laid out differently, the timing of some of our sales are a little different, the utilization rates are a little different in quarters. That's why we like to stay with that annual guidance, because most of our contracts, particularly in North America, are annual contracts and you can get that different volatility between the quarters. And so, let me come back to North America, because they had a record year this year. It was a fabulous year. And so, I think they're well positioned going into next year, too. So, I'm kind of delighted the way the business is operating there.

Akshay Jagdale - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yeah. Just maybe a different way – just to explain where I'm coming from, I think – I agree it's been a really good year. But as far as the equity markets, you've had like a beat-and-raise story; and then, this quarter was a in-line-with quarter relative to our expectations, so that's part of – might be our fault. But I'm just trying to get a sense – it looks like, from your perspective, this was an offensive move in terms of getting ready for next year, doing this change at the right time. So, that's where I was coming from, is – people were expecting you to continue to beat and raise, I guess, and the quarter came in in-line, and so stock's reacting negatively. But I just wanted to make sure there's nothing sort of fundamentally that weakened this quarter relative to the last.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I don't see anything in the quarter that would jump out at me in terms of what our expectations were or how we look at next year. As I said, even in our guidance, we have North America up, again, next year. We're trying to keep in line with the long-term algorithm from a organic basis. I think we're there. And so, no, I don't see anything in the quarter that's unusual like in terms of thinking through in the components. In terms of being raised, I wouldn't say that that's a – as the quarters get narrowed down, like, we have more visibility in if we only have three months to predict than 12 months to predict. And that's why we narrow our range as we go forward as well. And so, I think that's really where we're coming from as we should be more accurate as we get closer to the end of the year.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

And I would say that I'm very excited that we were able to announce and close on TIC Gums at the end of the year. We closed on our China acquisition, which is related to our vertical integration there. And so, 2017 is really continuing on this journey of building our company as a specialty company and continuing that story. And I've always said we're in the middle of the story, and so TIC became the next step in building our texture and portfolio and being focused on these small- and medium-sized customers. So, I think the timing has been excellent.

Akshay Jagdale - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. And just two more, one on the North American contracting. Can you put into perspective – we heard the contracting happened a lot sooner than it usually does, which is also indicative of a tighter market than even last year. And the way we're looking at it, obviously, you had two very, very solid years, right, almost 30% growth each year in EBIT in North America. So, can you just put some – give us some perspective? When you say it was good, give us some perspective on how good, and then maybe why we're seeing a good contracting season because demand seems to be sort of stable. Was there capacity that came out of the market, again, that utilization rates are up? Any color there would be useful.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I guess if you think through in the North American marketplace, you've seen in the – prior to 2016, 2015, we sold our Port Colborne facility. There was – I mean, one of our competitors shut down a facility. Since there was, I'd say, some capacity rationalization there would put the market into a relatively good balance. The other thing that – like there's two things – two major issues that are really hitting our performance. One is our specialties continue to grow, which improves our product mix. Our shutdown of Port Colborne improved our core ingredients margins. And in addition to that, I think that as we look at our go-to-market and our pricing formulations, they've actually worked very well, both on the core and the specialty. And so, the combination of those components, as well as continuing to look at our network to take costs out, I think, has been very favorable to us, and I expect – I don't see anything going into the future that's going to stop those type of markets, at least at this point in time.

Akshay Jagdale - Jefferies LLC

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. I'll get back in queue. Thank you.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

All right.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ken Zaslow with BMO. Your line is open.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

Hey. Good morning, everyone.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Ken.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

Just a couple of questions. One is, when you do the rebalancing in North America, is that an incremental cost savings opportunity that we should think about?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Not this one, Ken. I think, really, this was just setting up for – like just changing around some of what would happen in the second quarter versus the fourth quarter this year; and then, also, a little bit of rebalancing in Mexico where we're probably getting prepared for the increase in capacity down there in terms of some of the inventory balances.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

Second question is, can you talk broadly, how sensitive is North American utilization rates to Mexican trade? I guess that – I know that high-fructose corn syrup is not a big part of your portfolio, and I get that. But I'm just trying to figure out, as a sensitivity in North American utilization rate, is it important, not important? Can you kind of rate this and kind of put this in perspective for us?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

As you know, we're situated in all three countries and things like that, and so we're well positioned from a North American perspective. And it depends on – I think we worked through a number of different models to say, okay, what's the impact of some of these potential legislations? What would be the worst-case scenario on different tails of the algorithms? And I just – I guess, maybe I'm just bullish on the business. I'm kind of saying, I don't really see that being a major risk at this point in time in terms of utilization. If it is, we'll have to adjust, accordingly, in terms of how the industry deals with that. So, I don't see that as a long-term issue.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

So, let me just – when you say it's not a big risk, you think it's not a big risk because it won't happen because the administration won't touch the high-fructose corn syrup side, or if they do touch the high-fructose corn syrup, it's not a big risk because your utilization rates wouldn't be changed and your business structure would be fine if trade was ceased? I'm just trying to figure out where you think the non-importance is.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I guess, when you – if you – when I say it's not a big risk, there's always these risks out there type of thing, but what's the probability of them happening and things? And I can't really predict what the trade issues are going to be at this point in time. I don't – I actually think that if you think about total demand in North America, total capacity, and think about it that way, I think it'll always kind of come back to being a reasonable balance at this point in time. And there's a lot of new products. Don't forget, people are still looking at trading up their product portfolio away from some of the sweeteners. And there's a lot of new products being generated in terms of that trade-up strategy. So, I guess I'd leave it there and we can explore it further off-line.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

The other thing – the interesting thing is the other thing I like about the assets in our business is – we talk about it being capital-intensive, which is a nice barrier to entry, but maybe if you would think about that front-end grind, and I've talked about how we've redirected some of that over time, as an example, to modified starches that are used in some of these more healthy ingredients in yoghurt. And so, there's different types of capacity utilization. There's the grind; there's the finishing channels. And finishing channels can be added in relatively quickly, I say 18 months, and have a nice way of utilizing the in-ground assets without making large bets. So, that is a flexibility to what's considered a capital-intensive industry.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

And my final question, just moving down to South America just quickly, your South American margins have been in that 10% range for the last couple of quarters. When you think about that, is that something to kind of look at as a target for 2017 and beyond? Is that kind of how to think about it as your cost structure is actually being redefined and reduced? Is that how to think about it?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Ken, there's always some lags in terms of the numbers down there in terms of how we re-price corn. And as you know, there's very solid anticipated corn crops coming in in both Brazil and Argentina. They're probably record corn crops. So, there's a little bit of a positive coming out of those components as well. But in general, yeah, I'd say that that's how I would be thinking about that business because we continue – we got the network optimization out of Brazil, which started in this fourth quarter, which will continue into next year; a little bit from a cost perspective. And then, a lot of it is, too, if Southern Cone starts to pick up in terms of volume, that does have a fairly significant impact on the margin appreciation there. So, I would say that, yeah, you're not too far off with that number.

Kenneth Bryan Zaslow - BMO Capital Markets

Analyst · BMO. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you, guys.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

You're welcome.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Brett Hundley of The Vertical Group. Your line is open.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

Hi. Thank you for taking my questions. And, Jack, we'll miss you, buddy. All the best to you in retirement.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

I have three questions. My first one was related to Brazil and the cost savings work that you're doing there. Is it fair to assume that cost savings were kind of in line with what you had communicated previously for Q4? And then, related, any guidance on how cost savings might flow through in 2017? Might they be more front-end weighted or kind of equal across the year?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Brett, this is Jack. Obviously, I think – I mean, the numbers came out very close to what we anticipated. It was just around a couple million dollars a quarter, and I would expect that to continue throughout the entire year. So, that you'll see the – like, I mean, if you think of quarter one, two and three, it's kind of there, and then Q4 will have overlapped it.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

Yeah. Okay. Perfect. And then, just on quarterly progression of earnings, I know you guys don't guide by quarter, but Jack, you kind of called out Q1 2016. And I'm wondering if Q1 2016 is just a quarter that gets really tough to compare against, and then Q2 through Q4 are much easier to compare against when we look at 2017. How might you grade that statement?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Like I say, we don't give the quarterly guidance, but one of the reasons why we mentioned it is, you've got to remember, there's a lot of positives, particularly in North America, in the first quarter last year. So, it makes that a more challenging comp, I think. That's why we give annual guidance, and that's why I think we're comfortable with this annual guidance.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. And then, the last question I have for you, Jack, it's kind of an oddball, but I wanted to ask you about North American tolling dynamics and, really, just visibility related to that business. I've never really talked much with you guys about that. But I'm just curious, as it relates to your tolling business, is it very similar to the business that you have in-house that you sell where the volume side of the tolling contract is really kind of locked up and understood for one year as well, or might those contracts be longer or shorter relative to your other business? And I'm trying to understand if your tolling business kind of is normal and as expected right now, or if there's anything changing within those dynamics.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. Brett, I think, without getting into too much detail, as we commented before, 50% of our business, particularly in North America, is kind of grain-related, tolling type of agreements. And those agreements can lock in for – because of the fact that you're not taking corn risks or anything like that, because the corn just passes directly through to the customer, they can be staggered in periods longer than one year. In most of the contracting, comes up one, maybe two years and things like that. And so, yeah, I would say that that's the only anomaly there and I would say that it's kind of a nice format from my viewpoint, because it kind of sets the floor in terms of how pricing will manifest even in the fixed pricing business. And so, it's a nice business from that perspective.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

And it's business as usual, you would characterize it?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah.

Brett Hundley - Vertical Trading Group LLC

Analyst

Okay. All right. Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

And the next question from the line of Adam Samuelson with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Adam Samuelson - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Yes. Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning. Adam Samuelson - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Maybe just going back to North America and thinking about 2016 a little bit more holistically and what it implies for next year. Your North American margins this year were up 340 basis points. Can you talk about the specialty volume growth and, within that as well, kind of – I mean, I would struggle to think how your core margins weren't up pretty in line with that segment average and thinking about kind of both the drivers of the core between price and the cost actions that you've taken specifically?

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

So, I'll talk about some of the specialty trends, and then I'll turn it back to Jack on some of the financial dynamics. But the specialty growth in North America continues to happen because the – as the population, the millennials, which are now of the same size, I think, as the baby boomers, want these healthy configurations and they'll pay more for gluten-free, non-GMO healthy ingredients. And so, we even have alliances on vegetable – protein in vegetables. And so, we're working on these recipes and North America, being a more mature economy population, continues to have opportunities in this area. So, I think it's an area where we use our product development and R&D out of Bridgewater, and then we localize it in the different North America countries. So, I see the excitement in opportunities to grow our specialty. So, that's the growth of specialty and almost like a trading up within specialty, and then, as Jack talked about, the trading up of the core. So, I don't know, Jack, if you want to – anything to say on the margin?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Maybe if you think about this year, in particular, we sold our Port Colborne facility at the end of 2015. It allowed us to trade up our product portfolio, which helped our margin expansion there. We also had the Penford cost synergies that really played in very nicely into our equation, as we drove those forward on a run rate basis. We continued to have, I would say, excellent logistics and energy cost savings throughout our facilities. And the market, in general, in our core ingredients, including our sweeteners, actually improved. And so, I would say that – like it was a good year and it sets the base for going into the future. Most of those things exist in the base, and they will continue to exist going into 2017. And so, then, the question is how much of our specialty growth will continue to trade up our mixes in terms of our product mix, which gets us back on to our long-term algorithm which will show an improvement of our margins through that trade-up of our portfolio mix. And so, we continue to take these, I'll say, one-time actions improving our business, and then in addition to that, moving – still continuing with our growth in terms of our algorithm, which continues to drive margin improvements through the trade-up strategy. So, it works very well. Thank you. Adam Samuelson - Goldman Sachs & Co.: So maybe again, Jack, I just want – I'm trying to just rank order some of those pieces that are helpful between, I mean, Penford, some of the network optimization, Port Colborne, losing some of that low-margin business, the mix shift to specialty, which I would guess was 100 basis points to 200 basis points of sales, and then base pricing. Is there any way to rank order that in terms of the contributors to either margin expansion or year-on-year EBIT growth that you'd be willing to share? I'm just trying to disaggregate a little bit how much is more kind of market supply/demand dynamics that were certainly in your favor this year versus some more specific company actions that really do reduce either the – what you could think of as the fixed cost base of the company?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

So, I don't think we really want to break it out in that level of detail because then you start getting into, okay, well, how's your core versus your specialty. And you've got to remember we have shared facilities and each one of these actions impact – if I talk about Port Colborne shed, for example, it impacted about four or five facilities where you changed around the manufacturing configuration of those. If you talk about Penford, we're moving production from one facility to another facility to rationalize some of our freight and logistics savings. And so, it's almost impossible to disseminate it all, and I don't think it really adds value. I think what you got to do is just say, that's in your base, now, and let's move forward. Adam Samuelson - Goldman Sachs & Co.: Okay. I'll pass it on. Thanks.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And our last question comes from the line of Sandy Klugman of Vertical Research. Please go ahead.

Sandy H. Klugman - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst

Yeah. Thank you. Good morning.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Good morning, Sandy.

Sandy H. Klugman - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst

I understand that Mexico could prove to be a non-event. But if high fructose does get backed up into the U.S., how should we think about the wet mill cost curve and where capacity might have to come out of the system?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I think that's a real industry question. I think in the – if you think about capacity coming out of the system, it can happen in a number of different ways in terms of either utilization rates or looking at facilities going down. I don't see it as that big of an issue. Maybe I'm not – maybe 2%, 3% of the (1:07:26) industry, and so I'm not seeing it quite the same way as other people are looking at it. And I don't mean to dismiss it, because we go through these type of potential issues all the time, and I just don't see that as one of the ones that is either likely and/or – I shouldn't say likely. I can't – I shouldn't even comment like that. But I just don't see it as a – I can't foreshadow where that will end up, I guess is what I'd say.

Sandy H. Klugman - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then, in Mexico, I know the majority of your sales are U.S. dollar-denominated. But are there any concerns regarding consumer demand from the depreciation of the peso?

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I think it's interesting because the consumer demand still seems fairly solid. I would say that we're always concerned with the slowdown in the economy more than just the distribution of wealth in Mexico, because I would say that if there's trade actions between the U.S. and Mexico that kind of slow down that economy, it can obviously impact consumption. But I would say that our ingredients – one thing that's nice about being in the food and beverage segment is these things are going into some of the core things like breweries, soft drinks, food, and some of the specialty food ingredients, and they don't usually slow down that dramatically in terms of – unless there's a real slowdown in the economy. So, I think that we should be fine from that perspective.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Yeah. I mean, I think people like to eat and drink. They need to. And maybe they change what they consume, but we've seen with the rise of the middle class, especially in Mexico, there's a demand for some of these healthy ingredients. And as I've talked about, we also have our focus on what we call, save money, where we are able to substitute higher-priced ingredients for lower-priced – for affordable solutions. So, we see a lot of opportunities there.

Sandy H. Klugman - Vertical Research Partners LLC

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much, and best wishes to you, Jack.

Jack C. Fortnum - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

Thank you very much.

Ilene S. Gordon - Ingredion, Inc.

Management

I think we're at the end here. So, I would just say that before we sign off, I would reiterate our confidence in our business model, strategy, and long-term outlook. We remain keenly focused on value creation and delivering that value to shareholders. So, that brings our fourth quarter 2016 earnings call to a close, and thank you, again, for your time today. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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