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Independent Bank Corp. (INDB)

Q3 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 19, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp Third Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. Before proceeding let me mention that this call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial conditions, results of operations and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Independent Bank Corp cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims any intent to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether in response to new information, future events or otherwise. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Christopher Oddleifson, President and CEO. Mr. Oddleifson, Please go ahead.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Thank you, and good morning, and thank everybody for joining us today. Denis Sheahan, our CFO will elaborate on our quarterly performance following my comments. Third quarter results were strong and reaffirm the success we are having in growing business with customers across our footprint. Core net income, income came in at $12 million or $0.55 per share. This is well above our prior quarter. Our performance has been driven by organic growth generated from both new and existing customers. The Rockland Trust brand is unquestionably gaining traction and bringing us increased market share. In previous quarters, I have talked about our stellar commercial loan growth and this quarter is no exception. Once again, the portfolio grew at a double digit annualized growth rate. The C&I segment remains a sweet spot for us as we continue to add quality names for our client roster. We are also seeing good growth in the commercial real estate business marked by solid underwriting at attractive properties. Our strategy to invest in our competitive strength and commercial banking with added talent and breadth of service even during the downturn has proven to be a wise decision. Competition is heating up but so far we’ve been able to hold our own and maintain a robust pipeline of approved credits. Likewise origination volumes in our home equity business have continued at a very healthy pace. All our growth is concentrated in the first position portfolio’s strong FICO scores and loan to values. Competition is ratcheting up here as well especially on the pricing side but we’ll not chase the market down and are fully prepared to sacrifice some of our exceptional growths if need be. Core deposits are another excellent story for us by rising over $15 million in Q3. They are over 84% of total…

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Thanks, Chris, and good morning. In the third quarter Independent Bank Corp reported GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.53 per share as compared to $0.41 per share in the second quarter. Excluding merger costs in both quarters relating to the pending acquisition of Central Bank Corp, as well as goodwill impairment and proceeds from the life insurance policy, diluted earnings per share on operating basis were $0.55 in the third quarter as compared to $0.43 in the second quarter of this year. Key topics. Loans grew at 2% on an unannualized basis, with continued strong growth in both the commercial and home equity lending categories. The commercial loan portfolio grew nicely across all categories, up almost 3% unannualized. The approved pipeline at September 30 remains strong and this should bode well for near term growth. In addition, both our providence and asset base lending initiatives are performing well and running ahead of expectation. First position, home equity loans also grew nicely in the quarter, up 4% unannualized. So in summary, loans demand remains good and while the level of competition remains strong, the prospect of continued growth in the fourth quarter is good. Core deposits also grew nicely in the second quarter at 1.6% unannualized. Importantly, the mix of deposits continued to be solid as core deposits are now over 80% of total deposits and demand deposits represent 27% of total deposits. The total cost of deposits declined yet again to 26 basis points in the third quarter. Asset quality metrics remain strong. Non-performing assets decreased to $41.5 million in the quarter with overall levels quite manageable at 80 basis points of total assets. Loan delinquency remains very good at 79 basis points at September 30 and early stage delinquency, that’s the 30 to 89 day bucket, decreased to…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question is from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O'Neill.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

First question is on the pipeline, I think you said the pipeline was very strong. Could you share with us how big it is?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Sure, it’s -- Mark, it’s the third highest in the last 12 months. Let me just get up here. So our proved pipeline at the end of the third quarter was $237 million, third highest in the last 12 months.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

That's commercial.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Commercial, yes.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Commercial. Okay. And then I know the securities portfolio is now down below 10% of assets. Do you feel like that sort of at a draw [ph] level, or is it likely to continue to shrink a little bit from here?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

I think we’re at our near bottom in the securities portfolio because we need -- we have for our collateral purposes on either borrowings or certain government type deposits. So we are -- I wouldn’t expect to see a drift much lower than this level but as you know it’s challenging to buy securities in this interest rate environment, that we’d rather not be doing that but we need to for collateral purposes.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And you guys have done a great job building your capital organically, but I guess I’d be curious what your current thinking is on your capital position and as it relates to BASEL 3.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes. We would agree. First of all Mark I would agree with your comment. We’ve done a good job of building tangible common equity. We’re happy to see it over 7% here at September 30. It will dip I think as you know following the central bank acquisition into that 6.40% level or so. But at this point we have no plans to raise common equity. We will continue to grow that tangible equity level back very effectively. We’ve looked at BASEL 3 and we believe we’re going to be just fine. The power of this company is today we still have very good earnings and that allows us to continue to grow our capital position very effectively and while BASEL will certainly mean higher capital levels, we think we have it covered. One of the bigger wildcards I think for us and everybody in BASEL is covering the volatility of the securities portfolio that you don’t have to today. So we’ll watch that very carefully to see how that rule develops through the common period here. But that will obviously mean that all of us have to hold more capital than we otherwise would to cover that volatility. But as best we can tell in looking at the rules, we don’t need to raise capital. We will continue to grow capital nicely at an organic pace that will leave us in a very comfortable position, including the adoption of BASEL 3.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is from Damon DelMonte of KBW.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

I was wondering, could you guys give a little bit of color on the home equity portfolio? I think you mentioned in your prepared remarks the cycle and the LTVs that you’re seeing in that paper.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Sure. I’d be happy to do that. Let me just look it up for you. As you know Damon, most of our origination, particularly over the past year has been in that first position home equity product which is really, it’s a refi product for your typical conventional residential mortgage, but we go through the home equity process because it’s convenient for the borrower. It’s cheaper for the borrower and from our perspective it’s cheaper to originate. The quality of the portfolio remains very good and we re-score, the data I’m going to give you is we re-score every quarter. We re-value once or twice a year. The last time we valued was Q4 of last year. We’ll be revaluing again in Q4 here. But this does give you the data. So the portfolio overall cycle, average cycle of the portfolio 763. Average LTV is 57% and that’s for the entire home equity portfolio both first and second position.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

That has been trending slightly upwards over the last 12 months.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

And then I guess on the free income side of things, mortgage banking. Could you talk a little bit about what you saw this past quarter as far as volume growth?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

You’re talking about volume of sales?

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

Well, yes. Volume of origination that you ended up selling.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Well, the vast majority of our origination is up for sale. I don’t know if I have that here. Do you have it?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Yes, total originations in the third quarter is about $111 million.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

And very little of that goes into the portfolio, Damon. We’d certainly like to originate 3151 ARMS 10 year product, but that’s not what customers are choosing today. They’re choosing the conventional longer term fixed rate and we don’t hold that in our portfolio.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Interestingly, that’s been the highest quarter in the last year and a half.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

Okay. And how does the pipeline look heading into the fourth?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It also looks strong for Q4. So we’re hoping for a good fee revenue from our mortgage business in the fourth quarter as well.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

Okay. And I guess just the last question. I apologize if I missed this, but did you talk about the tax rate at all for this fourth quarter?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

No, I did not so you didn’t miss it. The year-to-date tax rate, I would use the year-to-date as your guidance for the fourth quarter. Obviously the Q3 tax rate was affected by in particular the bank-owned life insurance item as well as the goodwill impairment. So use the year-to-date rate as your guidance for Q4.

Operator

Operator

And the next question comes from Collyn Gilbert of Stifel, Nicolaus.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Chris, just a follow up to get a little bit more color on your comments. You mentioned your 67% household growth which is I think considerably impressive. Who are you taking it from? Which then also just ties into maybe if you could give us some color on the competitive landscape. You’d mentioned competition is obviously ratcheting up. Pricing is coming into pressure. Who are you finding that you’re most successfully taking competition or taking business away from?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

It’s sort of interesting how it has varied over the last 12 months. We were taking a lot from the company that announced those debit card fees about a year or so ago. That has subsided somewhat, though we are now taking it from a couple other of the big box [ph] banks that folks are tiring of some of the nuisance fee they see in their accounts. We’re also finding anecdotally for the first time that folks are moving from the smaller community banks. They’re kind of the tougher competitor because they can provide a lot of customer intimacy. But our technology offerings, our mobile apps, one of which allows you to deposit checks by taking a picture of them for example, are beginning to attract more households than we have had in the past. So it varies. And we think the driver of all these is that we really have uptick our advertising and sort of awareness. So we are -- our chief marketing officer Mark Gibson is here with us today. Mark, is it safe to say that our awareness at Rockland Trust has increased pretty dramatically over the last 12 months?

Mark Gibson

Analyst

Yes. We saw some consultants data yesterday and it showed us compared to our competitors and it looked at the conversion rates, awareness consideration and purchase and I can tell you that there was one competitor that was spending 6 times what we were, but we were actually getting half of the purchase they were getting. So you think about the economics of that. Our marketing is really working right now.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

And Collyn, it helps -- the J.D Power award really helps. When you are able to tell everybody that you’re number one in New England that actually earns you some increment of business.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Interesting. Okay, that’s helpful. And then just on the margin Denis, the 8 basis points that you talked about, is that just a function of the environment? Or is there anything in particular that’s going on within the balance sheet?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It’s the environment Collyn. Assets -- look, unfortunately we have little room to reduce our funding costs with 26 basis points cost of deposits and very little room to go balance further. And then asset yields just follow the yield curve, whether it’s a swap curve or federal home loan bank curve, the treasury curve. They’re all struggling and it looks like they’re going to continue to struggle for a period of time. So that’s why we do expect to fall into the 360s unfortunately in the fourth quarter.

Collyn Gilbert

Analyst

Okay. And then just one final question. I know you mentioned the closing of central bank being in the fourth quarter. Do you have any greater sense of the specific timing of that?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

November. Yes, it should be mid-November would be our expectation.

Operator

Operator

And our next question will come from David Darst of Guggenheim Securities.

David Darst

Analyst

So Chris and Denis, maybe just a follow up on the central topic. Has anything changed with your outlook for the expected accretion?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

No, it has not. We’re still comfortable with 7% accretion next year from Central.

David Darst

Analyst

And how about anything as far as the investment and the requirements as far as adding people or staff or building out that commercial platform?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

That’s -- the investment will come in a number of forms, one being just in the physical plant. We do have plans to, before conversion, do some significant renovations in a number of the facilities. So that’s one and there will be further renovations to continue beyond that. That’s just one investment, but there’s also the people investments. On the commercial side we are looking to make sure that we have adequate resources to cover that market, business banking etc. So that will continue throughout next year. But we’ve built it into our model. It’s not going to be in excess of our model. We’ll be spending from a marketing perspective in that market. One of the benefits we have actually is a lot of the marketing that our chief marketing officer was referring to a moment ago, we already covered that market in the general Boston media because we’re part of that media today.

David Darst

Analyst

Okay. And then looking at the pipeline, is there a healthy mix with CRE that should result in us continuing to see some loan-level derivatives in the fee income or maybe will that grow?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes. It’s already at a very healthy level, David. If you look on our income statement, the quarterly income statement, you’ll see that yes, we’re down $300,000 on a linked-quarter basis, but we’re up $750,000 from same quarter a year ago. So the Q3 level, yes it was down but at a very healthy pace. So I would be very content with that level of derivatives revenue in the fourth quarter if we’re able to achieve that. And yes, to answer your question, the pipeline certainly does have a strong commercial real estate element to it, but what we’re very happy with is the good balance growth that we’ve been getting between CRE and C&I, including asset based and now we had in the last quarter very good growth in commercial construction. So the growth has been nicely balanced across the different categories for us. We’re very happy about that.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we do have a question from Bernard Horn of Polaris Capital Management.

Bernard Horn

Analyst

Could you just restate the guidance on the net charge-offs? I simply missed it. And then I’m assuming that includes the $4 million from the second quarter?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes, it does. We expect charge-offs for the full year to be between $15 million and $16 million and loan loss provision to be between $16 million and $18 million.

Bernard Horn

Analyst

I see. Okay. And then the year-to-date number, was that a little bit more than $10 million?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Year-to-date through September was $12 million. Yes, $12.2 million.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And showing no further questions, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Oddleifson for closing remarks.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Okay. Well thank you everybody. Appreciate your attendance and we look forward to updating you on the full year in January. Thank you. Bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.