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Independent Bank Corp. (INDB)

Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 25, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Independent Bank Corp. Fourth Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. Before proceeding, let me mention that this call may contain forward-looking statements with respect to the financial condition, results of operations and business of Independent Bank Corp. Actual results may be different. Independent Bank Corp. cautions you against unduly relying upon any forward-looking statements and disclaims any intent to publically -- to update publicly any forward-looking statements whether in response to new information, future events or otherwise. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Christopher Oddleifson, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining us today everybody. Denis Sheahan, our Chief Financial Officer will elaborate on our quarterly performance following my comments. Well, the fourth quarter was a great end to a great year. Core earnings in the fourth quarter reached $13.7 million or $0.61 per share and is well above last quarter’s $0.55 per share and a $0.54 a year ago. We are certainly encouraged by these results especially in light of the tough operating environment that persists in our industry. Beyond the numbers though, it is the consistency and quality of our performance that is most notable quarter in and quarter out all throughout the financial crisis. Of course, there is no magic here to our success; we just good old fashioned community banking led by excellent products, superb relationship building service, local market know-how, an inner-devised [ph] team and a strong and growing brand. Once again, strong fundamentals led the way for us as marked by healthy organic growth especially in the commercial side where we once again generated double-digit annualized growth. Now our commercial bankers are really getting after it. They are complementing our growth in size with an increased sophistication while retaining the touch and feel of community bankers. Our recent expansion initiatives in asset based lending and the newer regional offices are really paying off. Core deposit growth has kept pace with loan growth. This is incurring in both the consumer and commercial segment plus in particular strength on the demand deposit side and not only does it serve as a low cost source of funds, but provides us with excellent customer relationships as well. Fee income is becoming a growing source of revenues. We are seeing nice trends in deposit interchange and mortgage related activity along with investment management or…

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. And good morning in the fourth quarter Independent Bank Corp. reported GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.45 per share as compared to $0.53 per share in the third quarter, excluding merger costs in both quarters related to the acquisition of Central Bank Corp. as well as goodwill and impairments and proceeds from a life insurance policy that accrued in the prior quarter. Diluted earnings per share on an operating basis were $0.61 in the fourth quarter as compared to $0.55 in the third quarter of this year. For the full year 2012 Independent Bank Corp reported operating diluted earnings per share of $2.16 as compared to $2.12 in 2011. I will now cover a number of key topics. The Central Bank Corp. acquisition closed during the fourth quarter and we are pleased with the cost saves achieved thus far and are on-track to covert the Bank to Independent Bank Corp. systems in the first quarter of this year. As Chris mentioned, we are pleased with our integration progress and we are also on-track to deliver the 7% earnings per share accretion targeted for the acquisition. Loan and deposit levels were up sharply at year end inclusive of the acquired balances. Organic growth was excellent as well and we included an additional schedule in the financials accompanying the press release to help you understand these growth components. Commercial loans grew very strongly in the fourth quarter at 3% organically on an unannualized basis. As a result, the approved pipeline of new business at year end was at a 12 month low due to this high volume of closing activity much of this affected by tax driven loan activity at the end of the year. As we begin 2013, we expect slow growth in the first quarter as…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question today comes from Mark Fitzgibbon of Sandler O'Neill.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

First question is on the cost of funds; your cost of funds is great at 49 basis points, it’s well below your peers. I guess the question I have for you is, do you feel like you still have some flexibility to take bills liability cost lower?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Mark, not particularly. If we do it's very modest. I mean you know that the rate is decreased in our cost of funds has really slowed and you know 25 basis points of cost of deposits it’s challenging. It’s slight though we are very focused on growing core DDA and that's a very effective, have been very effective for us and we are going to continue to focus on that in 2013. But to answer your question directly there isn't much more room to reduce that cost of funds unfortunately.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay, and then secondly on the Central deal sort of a 2 part question, first any big surprises, positive or negative that would come out of the transaction? And secondly, I thought you had mentioned in your earlier comments that all of the cost savings were extracted already from Central but you are happy you are not doing the systems conversion until sometime in the first quarter here. I guess I wondered if you could just clarify that and perhaps give us a sense for what the exact timing of extracting all those costs will be?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Sure, just on the cost savings one first. My reference was that we've reached our cost savings target that we established which was 40% in cost saves but there still is some, we still have some staff remaining until we get through the conversion process which is scheduled for mid-February so there will be further cost saves so in other words we expect to modestly exceed our 40% cost saves targets. Those costs, the remaining costs we expect to be out by the end of the first quarter. So we should, that's essentially the timing of when we expect the remaining costs to be removed.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

And with respect to the surprises I mean Mark, I think we are pretty much right on track sort of across the board from an expectation point of view, we are in good shape and we have a lot of the other momentum carrying out before we convert it we have some new team members out there and they are hitting the ground running and now we feel very good where we are.

Mark Fitzgibbon

Analyst

Okay. And then lastly on the investment management expansion into Boston, could you just maybe give us some sense of how many people or how much space, rough cost of doing that might be?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well it’s going to be sort a modest entry first, I mean I'm not sure exact how much space it is, but it will be an office and kind of accommodate.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

It’s about 3000 square feet, it’s not a major expansion, it’s a reasonably sized office. We are anticipating about 3 to 4 employees and about the effect next year will be about $600,000 to $700,000 pre tax.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from David Darst with Guggenheim Securities.

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Dennis within your guidance with the M&A charges, is that included in your earnings per share range.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

No the earnings per share range was an operating estimate.

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Okay got it. As far as the tax rate are you looking at any more applications for the new market tax program this year?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Sure. Assuming that, we believe there is another program, I'm looking at one of my colleagues here. Yes there's another program for this year and we will apply. We’ve had a very effective program with our commercial team in terms of executing on these new market tax credits and we are very hopeful we will be successful on another application.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

It does not incorporate another excess application is not included in the projections we put out [indiscernible].

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

It’s not but that would be late, and I guess it should happen.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

No the application is too late this year and we probably wouldn't even hear the result until first quarter of next year.

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

But is there one we are actually waiting on as well.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

No.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

No.

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Okay, and then you indicated you are going back off on the home equity and some consumer lending due to the competitive pricing. Are you seeing anything changing on the commercial side that could change your outlook or your desire to lend?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

From a pricing perspective, there is the occasional. We're not quite back at the ’06 timeframe where things got a little nuts, but we do hear the occasional, very aggressive pricing on particular deals and we're reticent to match that kind of pricing. But overall we’ve had enough of a pipeline that’s where we can sort of pick and choose the deals that we want to be involved in. So it's not too bad on the commercial side. Home equity, with the drop-in sort of rates, refi rates in the consumer real estate arena, it's been more challenging to grow that portfolio, but we're certainly still like the business a lot, and it’s more a matter of pricing right now.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

And our history shows. I mean we not only are reticent, we will not participate in deals that have pricing in terms of that are unacceptable at our range.

David Darst

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

With the residential mortgages that you sold from the acquisition, and then the rundown in your organic loans, is that going to impact more the front half of this year and your guidance for loan growth, and does that accelerate in the back half?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst · Guggenheim Securities.

Yes, exactly, and that’s largely on the commercial side. You know, that's our portfolio that has grown the most for us and our pipeline at the end of the year was about $130 million that’s just to give you a sense of it, our improved pipeline that’s a $100 million down from September. So it’s the lowest in the last year, but the good news is we have very strong business development capability, we are confident we will be able to grow it again, but what it means is the first quarter is likely to be slow. But we feel pretty good about the back half of the year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Matthew Kelly of Sterne Agee.

Matthew Kelly

Analyst

I was curious the C&I growth that you saw on a sequential basis, how much of that was just kind of new business wins versus changes in utilization rates by your existing customers?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Matt it’s mostly new business wins, I can give you the utilization actually if you bear with me for a moment. It’s mostly new business. Do you have another question Matt?

Matthew Kelly

Analyst

The second question I was just curious about in the mortgage bank just talk about your gain in sale margins during the quarter and then where they have been trending most recently any changes for the first quarter and also pipeline commentary for Q4 and then more recent trends?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Do you have a sense of gain on sale?

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes, the gain of sale in the fourth quarter is probably in the 102 range or 2 points. We have had to adjust pricing there to get a little bit more competitive, so we would expect that to decline heading into the first quarter, and our pipeline right now is down to around $80 million to $85 million, which decreased from where we were in the fourth quarter on average.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

On the utilization, utilization on the asset based side is actually down Q3 to Q4 from 45% to 43%. It’s been as I said mostly new business generation.

Matthew Kelly

Analyst

Okay. And then last question, how much did home equity pricing actually changes over the last couple of months, you mentioned a couple of times become a lot more competitive. Could you just quantify that at all?

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Well, just to give you sense of it and Rob you can jump in here too. The product that we were originating the most over the past 2 years has been our first position home equity, which is really, it’s a refi product, it’s an alternatives to conventional mortgage process and for us it was the reason we liked it is typically smaller balanced seasoned mortgages, low LTV, very good credit quality, and very convenient from the borrowers perspective, low cost of entry. But what’s happened is with the drop in 15, 20 year, 30 year conventional mortgage rate, it’s more challenging for us to originate at that the kind of pricing we were getting. So we’ll reevaluate here as we enter 2013 and see if there are areas, markets spots where we can be more competitive from a pricing perspective, but we felt pretty good quite frankly about the growth, we were going to achieve in commercial on the second half for the year that we were comfortable backing off on home equity. Rob, you agree with that.

Unknown Executive

Analyst

Yes, so just a point of clarity of just a pricing competition is not in the home equity products offering, it’s the alternative in conventional mortgage lending and the gap created there.

Operator

Operator

And the next question is from Damon DelMonte of KBW.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

Denis just a question for you on the forecasted expense growth, how much of that is actually organic growth versus is it still layering on of centrals expense base.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

Yes, the organic is about 2.2% growth, so we think we've got pretty good expense control. I referenced our efficiency ratio earlier at the core. So that's what we are targeting for the core. Central as I said while we are achieving our cost sales, we will be a little bit of a drag in 2013 until we begin the process of scaling up in that market and we are confident we are going to be able to do that.

Damon Del Monte

Analyst

With respect to the margin I think you had said that it’s going to trend down to like from 360 down to 350 by the end of the year. Is the starting point for the first quarter then did you say was 360 or did you say in to 360s.

Denis Sheahan

Analyst

In the 360s; Damon if you think of it this way and obviously this purchase accounting stuff can create some volatility in the margin. But we were at 368 in the fourth quarter, 5 basis points of that, you know the margin was benefited by 5 basis points by unanticipated loan payoffs from the acquisition. So if you will a normalized margin, 363. So start from there and we will unfortunately work our way down to the 350 region by the end of the year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Showing no further questions, we will conclude the question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call conference back over to Mr. Oddleifson for any closing remarks.

Christopher Oddleifson

Analyst

Great, well thank you very much everybody for joining us today. We wish you a Happy New Year, and we look forward to talking with you again in 3 months. Have a good weekend. Bye.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.