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Himax Technologies, Inc. (HIMX)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Thu, May 12, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Himax Technologies First Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce John Mattio, U.S. based Investor Relations for Himax. Please go ahead.

John Mattio

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Welcome everyone to Himax’s first quarter 2016 earnings call. Joining us from the Company are Mr. Jordan Wu, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Ms. Jackie Chang, Chief Financial Officer. After the Company’s prepared comments, we have allocated time for questions in a Q&A session. If you have not yet received a copy of today’s results, please call Lamnia International at 1-203-885-1058, access the press release on financial portals, including sec.gov or download a copy from Himax’s website at www.himax.com.tw. Before we begin the formal remarks, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements in this conference call, including statements regarding expected future financial results and industry growth, are forward-looking statements that involve a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual events or results to differ materially from those described in this conference call. Factors that could cause actual results include, but are not limited to, general business and economic conditions, the state of the semiconductor industry, market acceptance and competitiveness of non-driver and driver products developed by Himax, demand for end-use application products, the uncertainty of continued success in technological innovations, as well as other operational and market challenges and other risks described from time-to-time in the Company’s SEC filings, including those risks identified in the section entitled Risk Factors in its Form 20-F for the year ended December 31, 2015, filed with the SEC as amended. Except for the Company’s full year of 2015 financials, which were provided in the Company’s 20-F, with the SEC on April 13, 2016, the financial information included in this conference call is unaudited and consolidated, and prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP accounting. Such financial information is generated internally and has not yet been subjected to the same review and scrutiny, including internal auditing procedures and external audits by an independent auditor to which the Company subjects its annual consolidated financial statements, and these results may vary materially from the audited consolidated financial information for the same period. The Company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Jordan Wu. Jordan, the floor is yours.

Jordan Wu

Analyst

Thank you John and thank you everybody for being with us today for our earnings call on which we will detail results from the first quarter 2016, and provide our second quarter 2016 guidance and outlook. Our CFO, Jackie Chang, will also detail more specifics on our financial performance after my overview. We are pleased to begin by saying that both our 2016 first quarter gross margin and EPS exceeded our guidance while revenues came in within our guided range. The first quarter revenue of $180.3 million represented a 1.3% sequential increase and a 0.7% increase from the same period last year. The sequential growth was due mainly to China’s panel capacity expansion, coupled with Himax’s large panel driver IC share gains. We also benefited from stronger than expected small and medium sized driver IC momentum, including the addition of a new major smartphone customer since the fourth quarter of 2015, and accelerating AR/VR related business. However, the earthquake that hit in Tainan on February 6th did cause some delayed shipments of large panel driver ICs to one of our major customers during the quarter. Without the earthquake, we could have been at the high end of, if not beat, our revenue guidance. We do not expect further negative impact from the earthquake as that customer’s facilities have recovered entering the second quarter. Revenue from our large panel display drivers was $65.7 million, up 5.8% sequentially, and up 14.1% from a year ago. Large panel driver ICs accounted for 36.4% of our total revenues for the first quarter, compared to 34.9% in the last quarter and 32.2% a year ago. Without the earthquake mentioned above, we could have achieved double digit sequential growth that we indicated earlier for this product line. Monitor demand continued to show strength for the past…

Jackie Chang

Analyst

Thank you, Jordan. I will now provide additional details for our first quarter financial results. GAAP operating expenses were $32 million in the first quarter of 2016, down 0.4% from the previous quarter and up 5.3% from a year ago. First quarter operating expenses included a one-time donation of NT$10 million or US$300, 000 to the earthquake relief fund initiated by the Tainan Municipal Government. Operating expenses increased from first quarter of 2015 due to higher expenses for additional headcount to support our new AR/VR projects, annual salary increases and increasing R&D expenses. We continue to streamline core business R&D activities and implement other expense control measures. GAAP operating income for the first quarter of 2016 was $15.2 million or 8.4% of sales, up 76.3% sequentially and down 3% year-over-year. First quarter non-GAAP operating income, which excludes the share-based compensation and acquisition-related charges, was $15.7 million, or 8.7% of sales, up 72.1% from the previous quarter and down 4.1% from the same quarter of 2015. First quarter non-GAAP net income, which excludes the share-based compensation and acquisition-related charges was $13.5 million, or $0.078 per diluted ADS, compared to $6.5 million last quarter and $13.1 million the same period last year. This represents an increase of 107.2% sequentially and increase of 2.9% year-over-year. Our cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities were $168 million at the end of March 2016, compared to $178.8 million at the same time last year and $148.3 million a quarter ago. On top of the above cash position, restricted cash was $180.5 million at the end of the quarter. The restricted cash is mainly used to guarantee the Company’s short term loan for the same amount. We continue to maintain a very strong balance sheet, and we remind investors that we remain a debt-free company. Inventories as…

Jordan Wu

Analyst

Thank you, Jackie. In our last call, we provided an overview of the trends developing in the industry and how we could stand out as a unique beneficiary from such trends and keep our business resilient to the current macro headwinds. I’m glad to say that we had a good start this year and that should be the beginning of a long term growth ahead of us. The impressive momentum of our large panel driver ICs for TV application will continue to come from accelerating 4K TV penetration. We are a unique beneficiary of our Chinese panel customers’ continued capacity expansion at a time when Chinese TV makers are sourcing more panels locally and starting to make more exports. Equally important, we finally saw smartphone driver IC order rebounds in China coming from end customers’ restocking and new model launches in the first quarter, backed by more 4G smartphone proliferation. Small revenue contribution from TDDI will start in the second quarter and we believe it will accelerate thereafter. Sales for automotive applications, where we have a leading market share, will continue to show strong growth as more and larger-sized panels are going into vehicles. For non-driver products, 2016 will be the year for us to see a bigger revenue percentage generated by LCOS and WLO product lines as shipments to our major customers started to take off. We are also on track regarding tapping into new territories such as IoT and machine vision with our latest CIS and WLO product offerings as stated in our recent technology press releases. Other non-driver products such as timing controllers and ASIC services will also continue the growth momentum as they are adopted by panel manufacturers for many new product areas. Overall, we are seeing strong momentum across all our major product lines and…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Anthony Stoss with Craig-Hallum. Your line is open.

Anthony Stoss

Analyst

Nice execution, guys, especially on the gross margin front; two-part question. Jordan, maybe can chat a little bit more about your expected AMOLED wrap with your Korean customer in Q2, how you expect that to continue throughout the year? And then, related to your AR/VR customers, what kind of visibility do you have to the back half ramps? Maybe, more specifically, of the 30 different customers that you have designed wins with, do you have any sense on how many will launch product this year?

Jordan Wu

Analyst

If I may I will start from your second question about AR/VR. We have -- I mean, obviously you’ll appreciate we’re restricted by many of our customers with their NDA requirements. But, we have way more than 30 customers and vast majority of them based in U.S. where actually -- it is where real innovation really comes from. And customers are actually exploring new applications. They are trying to encourage app developers to join again and industrial users to try industrial applications and so on so forth. So, we’re actually really seeing a lot of new efforts and new innovations, which actually varies sometimes quite widely, one from another. And certainly, we have a major customer already started mass production in this year. But, we keep emphasizing to our investors that in this early stage, don’t expect much volume because it really involves a lot of customers testing the water, trying the market. But, it’s also worth mentioning that -- I actually mentioned, commented on in my earlier prepared remarks that our share in the total bill-of-materials is very, very significant. We are not even talking about the same order compared to our driver IC or timing control. So, we are really quite uniquely positioned in this segment. So, even in this very, very, very early stage with as I said, rather limited volume, we’ve already seen very encouraging top line and bottom line contribution, given this year or this quarter. If you look at LCOS and WLO combined, it’s already over 5% of our total sales, if you mention with only this limited number for shipments. So this is very encouraging. Now as for the real launched dates and so on and expected volume, we really can’t comment much beyond what I just said, because it really involves many…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Suji De Silva with Topeka. Your line is open.

Suji De Silva

Analyst · Topeka. Your line is open.

I’ll echo my congratulations on the margins and the cash generation in the quarter. So, the earthquake impact you had in the first quarter, does that -- is there some snapback benefit from that in the second quarter or does any of that business go to other vendors; how does that play out?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Topeka. Your line is open.

No, for us or for other vendors because what happened is our customer’s production line got really badly impacted. So, they had to clean room and facilities and work in progress, goods and so on. Really the earthquake caused quite a bit of damage. So, the customers just have to clean up their fab and throw away whatever work in progress that is not usable and restart. And as a result, their production line has to be suspended for some time. And certainly, they work like hell, trying to get it recovered, ASAP. So, in a time, we actually got the weekly or even daily or even more frequent updates than daily for customer’s new demands because as they work on their reconstruction or recovery, they have to move around their production line and their customers are jumping up and down, so they have to be really quite flexible in dealing with their in house problems and customers. And as a result, they have to move around their sourcing as well. So, we worked very, very closely with that customer in the aftermath of the earthquake. But once that is over, that is over. So, whatever is scraped, it is scraped, you never use that. But the good news is that everything has been fully recovered. So, we don’t expect further impact this quarter.

Suji De Silva

Analyst · Topeka. Your line is open.

I appreciate that color. And then, on the AR/VR, do you anticipate having to hire additional engineers to support the many customers you seem to be taking on, at this point?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Topeka. Your line is open.

We are adding engineering resources into this area, as we speak. But, if you look at our total R&D, the size of our R&D team, you will appreciate the core of the R&D has long been developed. So, we are talking about marginal increase of our team to -- for example, to improve the year rate to cope with the customers’ increasing demand. And also -- this is a very new product category. So, as we are doing mass production, we are also in the mean time trying to fine-tune our production, increase our yield and sometimes even improve our product quality or some other things. So, you are really talking about increase of not the main share, not the core of our R&D team but certainly marginal increase of the team to enhance the production. That is needed. So, we are doing that. And certainly, I am talking about short-term production ramp. In the meantime, we are working with customer for their mix generation designs. Furthermore, equally important, we are actually providing our customers with even longer term technology road map. We are really -- we and our customers combine are taking a very long term view for this. So for example, major customers are very anxious on what the Himax microdisplay technology is going to be like, three years, five years down the road. So, we are talking about current R&D activities and one or two years for the next generation, and three to five years technology road map that pace on which the customer have to decide they are, they are long term product. So yes, some increase but only marginal increase.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Jaeson Schmidt with Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

Just curious how much in NRE revenue you recognized in Q1, and what your expectations are for that going forward?

Jackie Chang

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

We usually don’t disclose the amount of the NRE.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

Okay.

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

But we -- in our prepared remarks that is higher than last year. And we expect this -- the whole of this year NRE to be larger than last year. NRE, certainly, we enjoyed good margin, and NRE is margin enhancer for our overall business. However, we don’t really count on NRE to make profit for the business, only soft price. I think more important implication for NRE is the long term prospect. The fact that the customer, one single customer is willing to pay you millions to develop projects, it say a lot for their commitment. So, we appreciate that and we certainly -- and that is also kind of financial support from our customer at that time when the industry is still in early stage. And so the fact that we are getting more NREs from more customers across more applications is very, very encouraging sign for the long term. So in the short term, it helps in our gross margin, which is nice. But I think the long term implication is even more important.

Jaeson Schmidt

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

And then, looking at your LCOS, WLO, do you think you have enough capacity to support the current design win pipeline?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Lake Street Capital. Your line is open.

Good question. We tell our customers where we are, right? We have limited capacity and we can’t build too capacity because it involves really too much risk. And we don’t want the capacity to be ready too early. So, we work very closely with major customers, with real products, ready for ramping or to be ready for ramping in any foreseeable future. And we discuss in detail with them, once their order comes in, how we are going to fulfill them. And they expect more meaningful or significant amount of orders than maybe if a situation where our current capacity is not sufficient, so what do we do, we tell them the lead time required with how much of a volume we are talking about and how much the lead time is require, i.e. and so at the moment and not just right now, we have been doing that for quite a while. We are very thorough in terms of getting ourselves fully prepared for quarter two if certain big volume of certain size is going to come in six months, nine months or year down the road. And the good news is we do have the land, which is the most important, which is very close to our current headquarters within walking distance which is convenient. So, customers love it. And the customers love the fact that we are very prepared, we have four different kinds of capacity requirements, we can give you within like days. We can give you detailed plan including even fab layout and equipment and investment and so on, and certainly most importantly the lead time. So, I think developing at this current stage, developing a brand new AR device is not an easy task. And development typically involves a pretty long time. So, we…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tristan Gerra with Baird. Your line is open.

Tristan Gerra

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

You’ve talked about notebook design wins ramping for your CMOS image sensor business this year. Could you talk a little bit about your mix, and notably the 12 megapixel and higher product offering and the type of traction you expect for those products later in the year? And also, if you see any potential in the automotive market, notably for ADAS type of applications?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

We have -- in our CMOS image sensor business, there are a few major application areas, the first one certainly is smartphone where our major product offering includes 8 megapixel and 13 megapixel. And we are recently ready for a PDF, which is very important feature. I have to say however though, we are becoming more and more cautious in this market. The fact is that the market is becoming mature and CMOS image sensor business in smartphone while it’s very important and is super big as we all know, it’s also super-competitive. So, we’re -- in terms of our 13 and 8 megapixel sensor for smartphone, our current focus is primarily in China, and we’re working with a few existing customers, and we don’t really over commit. And in the meantime, we are really switching our focus to a few other areas, the first one is multimedia including surveillance drone, artificial intelligence and stuff. And in those markets, China is still being a major -- IoT certainly is one of them. China is still a very important market. And in that particular market, we are actually getting very good traction. And we realized actually the market is a lot less demanding and less competitive. And we actually get to enjoy the good position with better gross margin and so on. And the second thing is automotive which has to take a lot of patience, as we all know but we have been in committing to this area for a quite few years already. So, we’re already seeing some shipments. And we have penetrated into Korean and European market and U.S. markets in encouraging design win projects. As for exactly when we’ll start to see meaningful volume from automotive sector for CIS, I can’t really say. It could be as…

Tristan Gerra

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

And then, as a follow-up, the Chinese government initiating subsidies for smartphones that you’ve mentioned during the call. When did it start? And do you expect this to last for the rest of the year?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

We really don’t know. Certainly, they started probably early this year and it’s still ongoing. Certainly, the scale of the subsidy is not as significant as what saw two years back. And certainly now with the economy not going very strongly and certainly, the government is still trying to encourage 4G penetration, so there’s a new round of subsidy. Certainly that is very good news for us. I think we are -- the subsidy aside. I think what’s important, more important for our current momentum in smartphone is the fact that we have very thorough design-in or design wins, starting from six months, nine months ago, with top Chinese brand names, covering the two mainstream product spaces being HD and full HD. So, the kind of name we talk about include people like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Gionee, ZTE so on so forth. So, it’s a pretty comprehensive coverage. And so, once they get a momentum, we get our momentum, we take the right, along the way. Honestly, I tried to find out from my customer recently but nobody can really tell, exactly how long the subsidy is going to sustain.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Tom Sepenzis with Northland Capital. Your line is open.

Tom Sepenzis

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

I know you addressed this earlier, but I just wanted to see if I can understand it a bit better. The product that was impacted by the earthquake, that is not being made up for in the June quarter, or it is, are you seeing a one-time benefit there in June?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

No, what we said was, it’s been over with our customer, which was impacted by the earthquake in the first quarter. So, in the second quarter, there’s no impact, it’s business as usual. Now, it did hit our customer and indirectly kind of impacted us. So, we did say in our prepared remarks that without earthquake, I believe in our first quarter, we could have beat our revenue guidance, and we didn’t because of the earthquake. But the good news is it’s been over with. So, it’s all business as usual. So, there will be no further impact from the earthquake.

Tom Sepenzis

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

But, are they ordering more in June to make up for what they weren’t able to produce in March?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

No, because it’s a above their capacity. They will need so much capacity. So, part of the capacity during first quarter was impacted and was not productive. So, all they did was try to recover those capacities. So, what’s happened during the first quarter was they were able to ship less and therefore they bought less. But capacity -- capacity, it’s there. So, you cannot really use your lost capacity in the first quarter and use that for second quarter because they are running pretty full capacity right now. So, it’s not [Multiple Speakers]. And then actually with the earthquake, a lot of their so called work in progress, semi finished goods, including some glasses actually were shattered. So, they are shattered, they are gone. And so, it’s lost revenue for them; it’s lost revenue for us. And they cannot be kind of -- that cannot be additional demand for second quarter, because it’s just gone.

Tom Sepenzis

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

And then, just in terms of the inventories which went up, I believe you stated that that’s a signal of your confidence going forward. How much of that -- or I guess where are you building inventories? Is it across the board, through all your products or is there any color you can provide in terms of what type of inventory you’re building?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Northland Capital. Your line is open.

We typically build inventory in accordance with customers’ forecast. We have a long standing forecasting system with our customers, especially major customers, right. So, they give us a certain months of projection, and we build our inventory accordingly. So now, the slightly higher inventory level, I would say is across the board, because as we indicated earlier, the strength of our current business is pretty much across the board. I do want to add that in smartphone business, actually we are running some shortage because I think it’s indication that the supply chain across the board in the industry, the inventory level is quite lean, and the economy is weak. And the inventory is slow. But, end customers are still very cautious. So, once they see demand, they want their goods provided immediately. And in some cases, it just cannot happen. So, we are actually -- over the last few weeks, we are seeing increasing situation where we actually failed to meet some of our customers’, some of own customers’ demands because they are just very short noticed. So again, it’s good and bad. I mean if we had the inventory we could have much more shipments but certainly we don’t because without a projection we just didn’t want to build too much inventory because of the risk. So, across the board, I think we are increasing our inventory level in the quarter and with these customers’ forecast. And particularly in smartphone, we are actually running some shortage, right now in a short term.

Operator

Operator

Thank you our next question comes from Jerry Su with Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Jerry Su

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Just two questions on the driver IC side. First is that I think in the past one month or so, there are some more discussion on the technology such as gate-on-array , GOA or double array, triple array are driving, which I think some people mentioned that this might impact the long-term growth or content per panel for the driver IC industry. I don’t know if you agree with this comment and what you are really seeing at your customer side of these technology deployment. The second question is, can you comment little bit about your market share in China, do you have any more room to grow, and then, are you seeing any competition from the local driver IC suppliers in the near-term and also in the longer term?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

I would start by addressing your question about GOA or dual gate, triple gate technology. Actually GOA is nothing new; it has been around for more than 10 years, starting from Korean penal makers, and then Taiwanese and then right now also Chinese. If you keep all other sectors intact, certainly GOA -- for those people who are not familiar with the technology jargon, GOA is -- in a large penal, typically what we can provide is so source and gate [ph] driver. And GOA is so called gate on the array, which in essence is taking our [indiscernible] driver IC away and have driver IC circuit embedded in panel maker’s panels. And so, once that is successful, then in theory, the demand for driver IC gate driver decreases. So, certainly that impacts our business negatively, the whole driver IC industry. But again,. I would emphasize that it’s been around for more 10 years and it’s an ongoing thing and with a very high percentage of monitor and certain smaller size TVs having adopted GOA already. So, I would say if you look at very large sized panel, TV panel in particular, GOA is still difficult to get adopted because of cost issue. And so, the channel has been around and certainly it has a negative impact on industry, but there are also positive trends such as higher resolution and 4K TV and then smartphone becoming full HD and so on, which are the only positive sides. So, net-net, this is effectively what you see for our industry over the last 10 years. So, I think it is certainly correct to say that without this GOA technology, the driver IC industry would have been even bigger, but it’s not because GOA does exist. But it is -- what I want…

Jackie Chang

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Yes, Jerry, I’d like to make sure that you want us to comment on the market share position globally or in China?

Jerry Su

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Just in China.

Jackie Chang

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Your line is open.

Just in China? Well, I think for our large driver IC because of the Chinese capacity expansion and their in-sourcing initiative started earlier on and will continue through future years, we have gained new allocation from the Chinese capacity expansion. We were able to improve our overall market share in China from about 40% to probably close to 50% right now. And we have certainly over 50% market share with the largest panel marker in China and about 45% with the second largest panel maker in China. And for our small medium driver IC, we had over 50% before 2015. And because of landscape -- competition landscape change in 2015, we have lost -- our customers have lost the market share to two brand customers, brand OEMs, one in the U.S., the other one is Xiaomi. And we added a new customer in December 2015 and also we started shipping AMOLED driver IC to our Korean customer end of first quarter. So, we were able to improve our market share from about 35% in 2015 to now over 50% because we’re adding some major customer in China. So, we would expect our market share continuing to grow throughout 2016 because of the new product shipments.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Ricky Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Ricky Lee

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

My first question is regarding the technology roadmap for your AR device microdisplay system. So, I’m just curious about could you comment a bit about what is the key product differentiation and the spec upgrade for your new product shipping this year, compared to the earliest version of the microdisplay module you shipped two to three years ago for your main customer?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

I think the current generation, which is in production is -- certainly, if you look at our current major products -- major customers’ product, the microdisplay is of much higher resolution compared to our previous -- some of our previous major customers. And certainly, it’s got two eyes rather than one eye, it’s binocular rather than monocular with high resolution, it’s certainly more power effective. I think the trend that is happening right now, there are few folds, one is to improve the FOV, the field of view. And for that reason, the customer would need much bigger microdisplay. So that is something that we’re working with certain of our major customers on for next generation products. We are certainly trying to substantially better the -- I’m talking about optics, WLO for microdisplay, we are trying to -- right now it’s really first generation. For next generation, we are trying to not just to improve year rate and so on, we are trying to substantially better the scale up capability and cost of our technology, which is now very welcome by our customers. So, we are making some rather exciting progress here. So, that is one thing. And another thing is that with the current technology, it is more classical LCOS design and our next generation LCOS design, our proprietary technology involves [indiscernible] which involves basically, having a layer of [indiscernible] on top of the microdisplay, so that you can actually eliminate or simplify the optical design substantially and make the whole design more compact and easier for mass production. And that technology is now being adopted by certain of our major customers for their next generation, so quite a few of our major customers for their next generation. In next generation, it will be of color filter type, but we’re also working longer term with our customers and certainly with -- our team is now looking for on color sequential types [indiscernible] LCOS and bear in mind [indiscernible] is technology and it does provide a lot of benefit to enable, easier to assemble and low cost and more compact design of the whole optical engine. So, all these are major trends. Certainly we’re also providing smaller pixels for our customers. However, I’ve mentioned earlier now the customers actually require larger FOV. So, in some of them, they actually have to enlarge their pixels. But that is another story. We actually can provide small pixel compared to before. Last but not least, I think for next generation our people are talking about high resolution as well. Right now, it’s more of HD or above, but in the future there will be full HD or even higher resolution, in a horizon. So, there are a few major direction where we’re working now with various of our customers. So, I think this we have very exciting technology roadmap to go, the industry is really exciting.

Ricky Lee

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

And just a follow-up, considering all the upgrades and the areas for improvement, how do you think your ASP [ph] and dollar content per box [ph] to increase in next one, two years compared to what you have in last few years?

Jordan Wu

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

We don’t really worry about worry about, so called ASP that much because driver IC for example, you’ve seen -- most of them is well within $1 piece. If you look at the LCOS or WLO or sometimes on a combined basis, they can range in the area of hundreds of dollars a set, so how to compare the two together. And then I mentioned for example, some of our niche market sensors, they are a few dollars of piece, automotive as well. And then I mentioned earlier, structuralized module, the whole module would start from -- I don’t know, at least $15 to $20 a piece. So that involves quite a few different components provided by us. So, our future business will be rather different compared to the past when we had primarily driver IC had primarily [indiscernible] and one can really compare ASP. And certainly, semi-conductor, most always -- the cost always goes up down. However, you have high resolution, driver ICs, so the price goes up. So, it is the two trends conflicting each other and determining the ASP. But in the future --driver IC certainly will carry on this such trend. So, if you look at driver IC, I would say ASP would probably remain pretty much unchanged with per channel cost being lower over time, but number of channels being higher each IC. So, net-net, ASP probably remains the same. However, our other new areas of business will involve very different kind of ASP concepts.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions. I would like to turn the call back to Mr. Jordan Wu for closing remarks.

Jordan Wu

Analyst

As a final note, Jackie, our CFO, she will certainly maintain our investor marketing activities and she is going to attend investor conferences in the U.S. and Hong Kong. So, we will announce the details as they come about. So, thank you very much today for your time and your patients and have a nice day. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentleman, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude the program. And now you may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.