Pat Gruber
Analyst · H.C. Wainwright
No, I'd have to say that the interest in isooctane for gasoline comes primarily out of Europe. Haltermann Carless is still working it and so on the product. We've had interest from many, many other companies and it's going to be interesting once we're able to finally publish that list, I'll tell you all about it because there'll be some names you recognize from the past and some ones you won't recognize at all from the future. And isooctane, remember, is one of the ways of putting in low-carbon content into a gallon of gasoline. So as the carbon value comes up, that makes it way more interesting. Now our – we project that our isooctane, if it was built out of the burn would be competitive with petrochemical-based isooctane anyway in Europe, that's what it looks like. And so that makes it extra interesting, because then the carbon value provides a big upside. In the U.S., it takes combination of isooctane value, which is really gasoline value, plus a little bit of premium for its properties, but with carbon value, in order to make it make sense, but we're still working on that market. But it looks like it all pencils in and makes it interesting. And so what you should anticipate, as we put forward our plans for building out Luverne, we're going to make a mix of jet fuel and isooctane, it should be a nice attractive project that what we're going – we're working it is to make sure that we have people on the hook for real on these offtake agreements, you've seen too many other companies where they had offtake agreements and the customer bailed out at a critical moment, we just saw that in a case like BioAmber last year. So we're not up for that sort of a game, we need people to buy our product. Now remember, when we sell our – when we make our products we always have an underlying value of it because it is jet fuel or it is isooctane and gasoline, we haven't had a low-carbon attribute that also, we can monetize as well on a spot basis, but we're out to get our projects financed, right? And that takes those offtake agreements.