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Xenia Hotels & Resorts, Inc. (XHR)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Sun, Nov 3, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the Xenia Hotels & Resorts Inc. Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Lisa Ramey, Vice President, Finance. Please go ahead.

Lisa Ramey

Analyst

Thank you, Andrew. Good afternoon everyone and welcome to the third quarter 2019 earnings call and webcast for Xenia Hotels & Resorts. I'm here with Marcel Verbaas, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Barry Bloom, our President and Chief Operating Officer; and Atish Shah, our Chief Financial Officer. Marcel will begin with an overview of our third quarter results and highlights. Barry will follow with additional details on our results as well as a discussion of our capital expenditure projects and Atish will conclude our remarks with a discussion of our current balance sheet and revised 2018 outlook. We will then open the call for Q&A.Before we get started let me remind everyone that certain statements made on this call are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties as described in our Annual Report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings, which could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments. Forward-looking statements in the earnings release that we issued earlier this morning along with the comments on this call are made only as of today, October 31, 2019, and we undertake no obligation to publicly update any of these forward-looking statements as actual events unfold. You can find a reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to net income and definitions of certain items referred to in our remarks in this morning's earnings release. An archive of this call will be available on our website for 90 days.With that, I'll turn it over to Marcel to get started.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Thanks, Lisa, and good afternoon everyone. The US lodging industry has continued to see muted growth and revenues with third quarter RevPAR up only 0.7%. The upper upscale and luxury segments outpaced the overall industry slightly with RevPAR growth at 1.1% and 1.3%, respectively for the quarter. Against this backdrop, our portfolio experienced a solid quarter, particularly as it relates to rooms revenues. Same property portfolio RevPAR increased 2.5% compared to last year during the third quarter as occupancy increased 140 basis points and ADR increased 0.6%.Our results were primarily driven by strong performance in July and August with RevPAR up approximately 4% for each month, outperforming our expectations for the summer months. September was the most significant contributor to the third quarter results, and as we have been anticipating proved to be more challenging than July and August. We had long identified meaningful group demand shortfalls in September and while transient production for the month was substantial and encouraging, RevPAR decreased by 0.8% as a result of this relative lack of group demand.Unfortunately, hurricane Dorian also negatively impacted results in September as we experienced a significant number of cancellations at our hotels and resorts in the Southeast, during and after Labor Day weekend. Although rooms revenues increased at a relatively healthy pace in the third quarter, the shortfall in group demand in the month of September and the impact of Dorian contributed to challenges on the food and beverage side. We have particularly strong catering demand in the third quarter of 2018, which did not repeat this year. As a result, our same-property, food and beverage revenues decreased by 1% for the quarter, which limited our third-quarter growth in total revenues to 1.6%.For the quarter, our adjusted EBITDAre was $62.6 million and our adjusted FFO per share was $0.47,…

Barry Bloom

Analyst

Thank you, Marcel. As a reminder, all of the portfolio information, I'll be speaking about is reported on a same-property basis. and the 40 hotels owned at quarter end.As Marcel mentioned, our third quarter results were in line with our overall expectations for the quarter. Same Property RevPAR was up 2.5% for the quarter with both occupancy and ADR increasing 140 basis points and 0.6% respectively. Group revenue was up approximately 1.8% compared to last year, while transient and contract business was up approximately 2.7%. Overall, weekdays are quite a bit stronger than weekends, particularly in September as a result of the disruption we experienced over Labor Day weekend. Despite the current lodging backdrop, we continue to see strength across many of the markets in our portfolio, looking at RevPAR growth in our top 10 EBITDA contributing markets, Dallas was up 15.2%, Phoenix up 8.2%. Houston up 6.5% and Orlando of 6.3%. Dallas benefited year-over-year from the renovation at the Marriott Dallas Downtown during the third quarter last year and we have strong in-house group and Fairmont.In the Phoenix market both Hyatt Regency Scottsdale and Royal Palms, saw strength in transient business. The production up at both properties as a result of successful marketing promotions as we work with hotels to refine topline strategies during our second summer of ownership.Our Houston performance was attributable to strength in our Western properties in the Galleria, which have been gaining significant market share as a solid group base has enabled the teams to yield higher transient rates since the comprehensive renovation of these properties. We also saw outperformance our Orlando properties, particularly relative to the overall market, which is actually down RevPAR for the quarter. Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress, which benefited from the lapping of the guest room renovation last year and Bohemian…

Atish Shah

Analyst

Thanks, Barry. And I'll discuss two topics this afternoon. First, I'll discuss our balance sheet and then I will turn to our outlook. Our balance sheet continues to be strong. Our debt has a weighted average term to maturity of just over four years. Our debt maturities over the next two years are quite manageable, We have $190 million of debt maturing, that includes an unsecured term loan and one small mortgage loan.Approximately 80% of our debt is fixed rate debt based on origination or hedging and 20% is variable rate debt. We have a good mix of secured and unsecured debt as well. And overall, 31 of our 40 properties are unencumbered of property level debt. This provides a significant flexibility. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was 3.4 times at the end of the third quarter. As a reminder, since our listing in 2015, our leverage ratio as ranged from the low three times range to low four times range. At quarter-end, our weighted average interest rate was 3.74%. As to liquidity, at the end of the third quarter, we had approximately $115 million in unrestricted cash. In addition to that, we have an undrawn $500 million credit facility.During the third quarter we completed one debt modification, we lowered the borrowing cost on our $125 million unsecured term loan that matures in September of 2024. With the reduction in pricing, the current annual interest rate on that loan is 3.27%.Now turning to our outlook for the full year. Our guidance is largely the same as it was a quarter ago. You'll note that we have narrowed the ranges consistent with our approach at this time in prior years. We currently anticipate Same-Property full year RevPAR to be up between 1.5% and 2%. We now expect 2019 adjusted…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from David Katz of Jefferies. Please go ahead.

David Katz

Analyst

Afternoon, everyone. So I appreciate all the commentary. And I just really wanted to go back to the comments made about the deal environment or the -- the economy is slowing and we obviously get to see RevPAR. But if you could elaborate just a bit on what you're looking at or what kinds of things you're seeing out there that shape your view about what the landscape looks like the next 12 months?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Well, I think in general, David. I mean, obviously, we're looking at a lot of the same kind of economic indicators that you're seeing out there and what we're really seeing throughout the portfolio frankly is, it's really a story of 40 different assets and a large number of different markets within our portfolio, that don't necessarily all behave homogeneously from week to week and month to month. So what we saw in the last quarter and what we focus on in our comments and in our release this morning is that we have some softness and particularly in September as it related to a group demand, but we were actually quite pleased with the way that transient came in during the quarter and backfill some of that shortfall, so I know that you've heard from maybe some other sometimes about maybe a little bit more concerned about the transient.When you just look back on the one quarter we just had, we actually, we're quite pleased with the transient demand that came in. The one thing that we were always concerned about coming into the year was, was really kind of a shortfall on the group size in the months of September and October and even though we've been able to backfill some of that and actually, I've seen some growth and pace towards the end of the year was something that was hard to fill in and with a little bit more surprising in September frankly because on October, there was always an expectation that the timing of the Jewish holidays was going to put some pressure on that and unfortunately September didn't quite make up for that and as you saw in the results kind of throughout the industry.

David Katz

Analyst

Thank you for that. And then one other question if I may, I know that the consolidation, particularly around Marriott has been, I guess I'd call it a less than straight path. Is that past starting to straighten out and we have also seen some consolidation that's going on the management company side, which is a bit less public. But it -- are there any dynamics worth discussing around that side of the business, where they can either help or show up and how you're operating performance turns out?

Atish Shah

Analyst

David, yes, I think so. Certainly we're, we're starting to see and I think we credit some of the transient infill we've had this year to the strength of the Marriott program, Marriott representing half of our rooms in the portfolio. And certainly, we think that they are attracting a loyal guest is utilizing their properties more including our specifically, although, as we've talked about before, we had some pretty intentional strategies around making sure that our Marriott properties are the best properties within their given markets and we think we've attracted more business from Legacy SPG gas, some we've lost to legacy SPG hotels. I think that's one. Two, we're certainly seeing some benefit this year from some of the program service fees and other shifts in cost that Marriott has put in place and I think that is reflected in in a portion of what we've been able to do as a company in terms of maintaining and in some cases in other quarters, improving margins. As it relates to the third-party managers, we have a relatively small stable of third-party managers that we've worked with for a long time and have not yet been impacted really at all by any of the consolidation in the third-party manager space.

David Katz

Analyst

Well, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Austin Wurschmidt of KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Austin Wurschmidt

Analyst

Hi, good afternoon everybody. Marcel, I wanted to touch on your comments on dispositions, specifically you mentioned that you were looking at an opportunity to capitalize on the disparity between public and private market valuations, which was a little bit of a pivot or maybe just incremental to your prior comments on surrounding sales and I'm sure we all saw the news, as it relates to kind of the Kimpton portfolio. But, I was really hoping that you could tell us how you weigh the different disposition buckets, the lower -- lower ROI moving forward versus non-core. And then just opportunistic in kind of the current fundamental backdrop.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Sure. I'm sure you know and I'm sure you've heard from us before it's really our custom that we really only talk about transactions that have occurred and that are transaction that's that are actual as opposed to either that we may or may not be working on. So, I'll just globally talk a little bit about our view of dispositions as I also did some of my prepared comments, which is the majority of what you've seen from us as more fit into that one bucket, which have been selling assets that we don't think or great strategic fits for us long term and in many cases also have -- have very significant CapEx needs in the short term, that just make it a type of investment that we don't feel appropriate for us to make. Doesn't mean that we also haven't looked in the past and we'll continue to look at potential opportunities to potentially selling assets if we feel that it is a good value creation tool for us and creates good long-term shareholder value for us.So, I wouldn't say that that's any kind of pivot from the way that we're looking at the portfolio, but to the extent we would, we would have some dispositions that fall into that bucket it would truly be driven by the fact that we think that there is more value to be harvested potentially from an assets than owning those assets longer term. But we are very much cognizant off and I mentioned this in my prepared remark -- remarks to off of the fact that it's hard to build the type of portfolio that we own, we are on a very high quality portfolio doing transactions is not as easiest and straightforward as you may think sometimes. So it's, it is something that we're very cognizant of -- And we believe strongly that we have a great portfolio that we've built over time that has some really good long-term growth prospects.

Austin Wurschmidt

Analyst

I appreciate the thoughts there. And you also characterize demand softness is being limited to pockets of demand. I was just wondering if you could put a little bit of a finer point on that, if that relates specifically to business mix and what you've seen in terms of kind of some group softness here in the near-term versus transient or if it's more market-specific ?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

I will get back a little bit to my. So to the earlier question, which is -- it's really hard to paints stuff, with a very broad brush and then the current environment, we see markets where we're group demand has been very healthy, we see markets where corporate transient demand has been very healthy, there is just different, different dynamics at play in different markets sometimes. So that's why it's, that's why I wouldn't say that we're seeing kind of an overall softness in a particular category, because as I mentioned earlier, particularly when we look at September. We're very pleased with our production on the transient side to offset some of that weakness on the, on the group side. So it's, that's why I'm really to preferring to kind of some softness in some pockets of demand more so than that there is anything really for specific as it relates to one segment.

Austin Wurschmidt

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ari Klein of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Ari Klein

Analyst

Thanks. Just following up on the last question, you alluded to the stronger transient demand performance in the quarter. Can you maybe talk a little bit about how that had how that reformed in the -- so far this quarter. And then maybe you can elaborate a little bit on some of the challenges you're seeing at the Waldorf in Atlanta and one on there?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Ari, it's -- thanks for the question. So as per the first question, we don't really have the full data on transient for this month, we will say -- I will say that October RevPAR is down -- we expect it to be down approximately 3.5%. And the other piece I mentioned with regard to transient, is if you look at our transient pace, It's actually positive for the next 90 days. And while group pace is negative, it's less negative than it was 90 days ago. So those are -- those are both positive indicators relative to 90 days ago. The one area, and this does tie back to some of the prior questions, is the non-rooms of the F&B spend, which does have a pretty big impact in our portfolio, given the mix of group business that we have, and it has a pretty big impact on margins. So those are the things that we really kind of pointed towards in the prepared comments is as affecting our outlook, clearly it's not RevPAR because our RevPAR guidance isn't changed, but it's more of that non-rooms revenue and its impact on margin. That's led to our view that in the fourth quarter is expected to be weaker by several million dollars relative to what we thought a quarter ago.And then, Barry, perhaps you can talk a little bit about Buckhead?

Barry Bloom

Analyst

Yes, sure. So at the Waldorf Astoria Atlanta. It's really just about a slower transition and ramp up than what we had expected, I think we start with some of the higher stand management customer is not currently staying at the hotel there but for other competitors that were -- that are more recently renovated and Hilton has been slower in filling -- backfilling that with the anticipated very high-end corporate group business that we thought would take its place not surprising would have taken that would take a year for that to ramp up and we're just now approaching the 11-month mark in our ownership of the asset. So, not particularly surprised and I think those were related to issues and we're working hard on them with the management team there every day. We have a lot of confidence in the Waldorf, we have a lot of content in the physical facility itself and certainly think we will make that property move in the direction we always thought we would have just been taking a little longer and I think we anticipated.

Ari Klein

Analyst

Got it. Thanks for the color.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Bellisario of Baird. Please go ahead.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Thanks, good afternoon, everyone. [Technical Difficulty].

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

That the right math, you're breaking up a little bit. So didn't fully hear that question. But if it's the question is it $4 million implied change in the fourth quarter, that is the number.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Okay. Thank you. And then just back to the opportunistic dispositions and the comment you made. Marcel, can you maybe help us quantify how wide you think that spread is today between the public and private market valuations that you referenced?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

No, I'd hate to put any kind of fine point on that, frankly, I think that's, you were probably not the only people where you've heard us from that, we do believe that there is a disparity to some extent between private market valuations versus public market valuations even when it comes to assets that have a lot of goods, growth or good quality characteristics related to its as I said before, if and when there are transactions for us to discuss, then we will [indiscernible].

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

And then just how much of your motivation here on the opportunistic front, it is really because you're seeing more opportunities on the buy side versus the last quarter. I didn't. I didn't, that you say the pipeline and like you said, the last couple of quarters ago.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

On general, I'd say that the pipeline hasn't changed that much, It might have improved a little bit just from the potential number of transactions that are out there. It's still little early to say whether that's spreads in the bid-ask between buyers and sellers that's compressed a little bit, I would say that there is probably a few more opportunities that we're seeing in the pipeline, but I wouldn't say that there is a real change there.

Michael Bellisario

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Thomas Allen of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Thomas Allen

Analyst

Thank you. So in the fourth quarter, are you feeling any impact from the California wildfires?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Thus far, we've seen no impact, we've had a couple of properties that have lost patent for a couple of hours. And in the current environment, where the fires are particularly it relates to our NAPA assets, we're actually the beneficiaries of some albeit low rated displaced business of and relocation of residents from Sonoma.

Thomas Allen

Analyst

Yes. All right. So nothing material to call out for the quarter. And then just as we kind of as I did a quick math, it kind of implies fourth quarter RevPAR guided down to flat is, I mean that's just a simple average is that a fair comment. And is there a way to kind of bifurcate some of the different pieces are affecting it like the holiday shift and anything else to call out? Thank you.

Barry Bloom

Analyst

Yes, I mean that, the number is right down to flat as to bifurcating it beyond that. I'm not sure that we can do that, I would say that's it that reflects all of the various factors combined.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Including what I mentioned before, the fact that obviously October is more challenged because of the timing of the Jewish holidays and Atish obviously refer to that as well when he spoke about private preliminary estimate of where we think after we will come in.

Thomas Allen

Analyst

I think one of your peers that of the Jewish holiday shift. So they got a 50 basis point impact on the fourth quarter, is that fair estimate. Do you think?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Really hard to say, I don't think we have said, we have a real financing on that right now. So it's certainly there was impactful on the group side, as expected, and that's what cost the whole in October group bookings that we knew was going to be exist.

Thomas Allen

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Bryan Maher with B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Bryan Maher

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Yes, good afternoon. Marcel, can we drill down a little bit more on your potential acquisition, it sounded like your tone might lead one to believe that there is something in the offing maybe in a few months. And I guess you know hypothetically you may consider dispositions whether [indiscernible] other things it does it rely your hand upon on wanting to do it disposition in order to fund an acquisition in the capital recycle or you had so much availability that it's purely a price flash opportunity acquisition?

Atish Shah

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Well, we are once again -- I mean, obviously to the extent that or is there anything real to talk about, we would happily do so, but, and this instance, I will tell you that in general, as you know, our philosophy has always been that's transactions, doing transactions is the strength of this company and we been very comfortable doing both acquisitions and dispositions in various parts of the cycle. Our strategy has not -- has not been to necessarily build up a big war chest for the time when potentially there could be a lot of great opportunities out there because see just have it, It's hard to forecasted will absolutely happen. So, in our minds what we're always focused on is how do we create a portfolio that has a better growth profile going forward, how do we create a portfolio that has it overall better quality level that is able to withstand so potential downturns that may or may not be upcoming.So from that perspective, we're always looking, and we're always looking at building a pipeline of potential actionable acquisition opportunities. So I wouldn't say that any of that as necessarily changed over the last few months and as we look at overall capital allocation, we're obviously looking at all the tools that we have available these mentioned the strength of our balance sheet and you mentioned the fact that we have cash on the balance sheet, we have a fully undrawn $500 million line of credit. So I wouldn't, I really wouldn't be necessarily, tying anything together on the acquisition or disposition side, that is really being proactive, potentially on both sides for the extent that we find opportunities to create shareholder value.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Yes, I would just add generally, our view is, and you've seen this in our behavior, I mean we bought and we've sold we're these are difficult things to match fund, so you're -- we're trying to be active on both sides to create value and to move the portfolio and the deals with the acquisitions or dispositions need to stand on their own in terms of the value we believe we can generate. it is necessarily want to another.

Bryan Maher

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Okay. And then maybe a question for Barry or Atish. On Labor costs, are you seeing any moderation on the pressures that most lodging companies have seen over the past few years?

Barry Bloom

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

We are definitely not seeing any moderation and certainly. Although we've been able to maintain our total payroll and benefits at about 2% growth year-to-date. I think it's fair to expect that that will not be reduced and would likely increase in 2020.

Bryan Maher

Analyst · B. Riley FBR. Please go ahead.

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Bill Crow of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Bill Crow

Analyst

Great, thanks, good afternoon. Marcel ,let me question on the, on the acquisition front. Because it seems like we've seen no change in cap rates are more acquisition yields, but the risk seems to have gone out on up a little bit based on the economic outlook. So, why are we not at a point where the uncertainties how the opportunity to at least basis or at least until cap rates were to move to kind of offset that?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

No, it's a good, good question, Bill. In general, I think again, it's one of these things where it's kind of hard to talk about in abstracts and hard to talk to general, about what's out there in the landscape, I think you to your point, you've seen some transactions happening recently that have been still a pretty, pretty robust multiples and a very low cap rate. So, there clearly is a view and those type of transactions that the long-term benefits and long-term upside in some of the transactions are outweighing maybe a shorter-term risk that exist in those, in those potential transactions.So to the extent that we would be and then the weight of we're underwriting deals is obviously we're looking at, at both, we're looking at short term risk, and we're also looking at what is an asset, going to do to longer term, and what kind of value kind of drive for you in the portfolio. I think that's, it's probably a little too early to say. Are we seeing an impact on cap rates, or will we start seeing an impact on cap rates from maybe a little bit more uncertainty that's in the market. I think in general, there has been a fair amount of uncertainty in the market. And I think there still has been enough capital that has been has remained interested in transactions to still create a pretty robust transaction market out there. And we've talked about this before, I mean, overall the financing market remains very robust. So you're not seeing a lot of sellers that fuel like they need to just sell and really start driving up cap rates as a result of that because there is that alternative just being able to finance assets very, very attractively at very low rates and pretty good proceeds.

Bill Crow

Analyst

All right, thanks Barry. On Waldorf in Buckhead [ph] was remind me if there was any performance guarantee or key money or anything that provided to help you get through this transition period?

Barry Bloom

Analyst

We did not disclose anything in that, in that regard [indiscernible] any of our historic transactions. Our interest with them are very clearly aligned to try to drive performance from the asset. But there is no, there is no, there is no, there is no income guarantee in place of that property.

Bill Crow

Analyst

All right. And then lastly, Atish, you mentioned that 50% of 2020 group business was definite, how does that compare to a year ago or two years what's where should you be at this point in the year?

Atish Shah

Analyst

Yes, it's about the same, Bill, it's generally consistent and that's, that's where we should be, that's where we think is appropriate. We're still booking quite a bit of business between now and year-end. So we'll start the year with close to two thirds of our group business on the books. So from that perspective where we're tracking, well, again, it's 35% of the business overall that's group. So there is obviously a lot of uncertainty in the remainder of the business, but at least from where we sit today, we are able to book in roughly at similar levels versus last year and year two.

Bill Crow

Analyst

That's it from me. Thanks.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Dori Kesten of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

Thanks. When you guys think of renovations in 2019 and 2020, would you expect them to serve as a net headwind or tailwind for RevPAR next year?

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

This year, obviously our renovation fact significantly below where we were last year and we've talked about last year being closer to about 100 basis points, and this year being at about 20 basis points. We, we don't have a large number of projects that are upcoming next year, but we do have two very significant renovation that we're doing at Aviara, that you're well aware of and then we have a rooms renovation scheduled at Marriott Woodlands and a couple of the other things Barry had spoken about. So, it's a little early to put a real number to that we're really in the early process as Atish referred to of reviewing budgets, we're trying to, as we always do, we'll limit the disruption as much as possible. Clearly, Aviara is a property where we will see a good amount of disruption. But on the other hand, it's also performing obviously at a level where we think there is very significant growth that should be coming out of it after we do some of these renovations. So a little early to put a real number to it Dori, but probably a little bit greater than where we are this year and clearly something we'll talk about in the next quarter.

Dori Kesten

Analyst

Okay, thanks.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Marcel Verbaas for any closing remarks.

Marcel Verbaas

Analyst

Thanks, Andrew. Thanks everyone for joining us today. Especially on a Halloween afternoon, I hope everyone has a -- has a great evening tonight and don't get spooked out to much by what you're hearing any calls over the next few weeks. And we also look forward to seeing most of you at the NAREIT Conference here in about 10 days. So thanks again, and we'll speak to everyone certainly next quarter.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.