Brent Yeagy
Analyst · Jeff Kauffman from Loop Capital Markets
Well, let me try to unpack that. So when I think about trailer specs, in general, I'm going to bridge this with Final Mile Products as well because this is now one ecosystem. People need to understand that. These are not 2 different businesses. This is one now connected logistics change with a set of disruptors that's moving through all 3 phases, first, middle and final mile. So let's put that to the side for a second, I'll come back to it. The other thing that we're seeing in terms of specs, we started talking about this 5 years ago on the move when we took the roadshow out is that we saw a real change in asset management methods coming out of the downturn, where Wabash, and not really industry, play towards that 10 to 12-year replacement cycle, we would just pick a dry van, other products are different, but it's not terribly different across the board. But going from that 10 to 12-year engineered or longer to more of a one that was in the 5-year range, right? Matching warranty cycles and asset turns, more like a truck, right? We've seen that, that started again in 2009, '10, '11 thousands and thousands of trailers would change their spec, accordingly, big fleets, high volumes. There is still that group that maintain that 10 to 12 year, right? So we saw that change, and we're going to -- we have to figure out exactly how that affects replacement values as these things are kind of coming through their next cycle due with a shorter life, maybe going on round 2, when you think about a 10-year period. And then you also have the 10 to 12s, that will be coming to going into this next cycle. All of this is going to kind of flush out in the middle of some economic uncertainty. A lot going on there. On top of that, you've got the disruption changes where things like lift gates are popping up at higher and higher percentages, both on the FMP side and -- or the Final Mile Product side as well as on the truck side, as we go to shorter and shorter hauls, different applications, logistic models are changing. You're seeing different specs begin to come through in terms of more flexible assets, in general, the shift is underway in real life right now. Does that help?