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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Denise and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Anixter Second Quarter 2017 Release Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there'll be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Lisa Meers, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference.

Lisa Meers

Analyst

Thank you, Dennis. And good morning everybody, thank you for joining us today for Anixter's second quarter 2017 earnings call. Today, Bob Eck, Chief Executive Officer; Bill Galvin, President and Chief Operating Officer; and Ted Dosch, Executive Vice President and CFO will review and discuss our second quarter financial results. After their remarks, we'll open the line up to take your questions. Before we begin, I want to remind everyone that we'll be making forward-looking statements in this presentation, which is subject to a number of factors that could cause Anixter's actual results to differ materially from what is indicated here. We do not undertake to update these statements and refer you to our SEC filings for more information. Today's earnings announcement includes both GAAP and non-GAAP financial results, the reconciliation of which is detailed in our earnings release and in the slides posted on our Investor Relations' website. Now, I will turn the call over to Bob.

Bob Eck

Analyst

Good morning and thank you for joining us on our second quarter 2017 earnings call. I'm delighted to have Bill Galvin join us today as well. As announced in late May Bill was promoted to President and Chief Operating Officer of the company effective July 1st. Bill has been with Anixter for 29 years, most recently running our Global Network & Security Solutions segment. In this morning call, I will provide an overview of our second quarter financial results and share my perspective on trends we are experiencing in the business. I'll then turn the call over to Bill who will update you on sales results in each of the three business segments. Finally Ted will detail our second quarter financial performance and outlook for the third quarter and rest of the year. After Ted's comments we will take your questions. As you saw from this morning's press release, we delivered second quarter GAAP 2017 earnings performance diluted share of $1.18 versus $0.62 in the year ago quarter. On an adjusted basis, we delivered diluted earnings per share of $1.36, a 3% increase compared to $1.32 in the second quarter of 2016. Unless otherwise noted all of my comparisons refer to the second quarter of 2017 versus the second quarter of 2016. And as a reminder the current quarter and prior period quarter each had 64 billing days. Total company sales increased by 2.3% to a second quarter record of $2 billion adjusting for the favorable impact from the higher price of copper and the unfavorable impact of currency fluctuations. Organic sales increased by 2.6% at the high end of our outlook range of 1.5% to 3% and reflecting growth in all regions. On a sequential basis, sales increased by 5.6% higher than the historical seasonality of the business. The…

Bill Galvin

Analyst

Thank you, Bob and good morning, everyone. I'm happy to be joining today's call and look forward to working more closely with the investment community. As Bob said, I will go into more detail on the second quarter sales and end market trends by segment, beginning with Network and Security Solutions. NSS's quarterly sales of $1.03 billion decreased by 1.5%. Adjusted for the $7.4 million unfavorable impact from foreign exchange, NSS's organic sales decreased by 0.8% largely due to fewer products in North America this year versus last year. On a sequential basis, sales increased by 4.5%. Looking at NSS's sales performance by region, North American sales of $817 million declined 2.2% on an organic basis. As I just mentioned we had fewer projects in the current quarter and we're cycling through very strong project billings in the second quarter of 2016. Sequential growth in North America was 6.4% evidence of undrawn momentum in the business as strong performance in our day-to-day business partially offset projects that have been deferred until the second half of 2017 and into 2018. As in recent quarters, we continue to see strength in the growth initiatives including complex global accounts and securities, as well as smaller businesses including wireless and professional audio-visual equipment. In our EMEA geography we delivered $87 million in sales, reflecting organic growth of 4.1%. This strong growth was driven by large multi-national customers including global technology and financial service customers and reflected strong growth in Continental Europe. Finally, sales of $126 million in our emerging markets business increased 5.5% on an organic basis, driven by large projects and strength in selective countries including Mexico. While the Latin America geography overall remains challenging, this is our third quarter of improving sales trends. Looking at the security portion of the business, NSS's…

Ted Dosch

Analyst

Thanks, Bill, and good morning, everyone. Today's earnings release includes a schedule which reconciles our GAAP financial results with non-GAAP results. We believe the non-GAAP measures we disclosed which exclude non-cash expenses and other items provide the best representation of ongoing operational performance. As Bob highlighted, we reported second quarter 2017 earnings per diluted share of a $1.18 compared to $0.62 in the prior year quarter. On an adjusted basis we reported earnings per diluted share of $1.36, a 3% increase compared to $1.32 in the prior year quarter. As a reminder, each quarter we exclude intangible amortization and if applicable acquisition and integration costs and other expense from our non-GAAP results. Current quarter results exclude $9 million of intangible amortization, which had a net income impact of $6.1 million or $0.18 per diluted share. Prior year quarter results, excluded intangible amortization and other items, which combined had a pre-tax impact of $33.7 million and an after tax impact of $23.4 million or $0.70 per diluted share. These items are detailed in our press release financial tables and in the slide presentation that accompanies today's call. All of the following comments this morning including year-over-year and sequential comparisons are based on continuing operations only and on an adjusted earnings basis. Turning to sales, record quarterly sales of $2 billion increased 2.3% compared to last year driven by growth in our EES and UPS segment, and in all three regions. Adjusted for the $13.8 million favorable impact of higher average copper prices and the $8.2 million unfavorable impact of currency fluctuations, organic sales increased by 2.6% versus last year. Now I'll go into more details on our results. Second quarter gross margin of 19.8% compared with 20.1% in the prior year quarter, due primarily to the fastest growth in the quarter…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Shawn Harrison with Longbow Research. Your line is open.

Shawn Harrison

Analyst

Good morning everybody.

Bob Eck

Analyst

Good morning, Shawn.

Shawn Harrison

Analyst

Just wanted to I guess delve into the legacy enterprise networks business a little bit more. I know you said it was up sequentially by a nice amount. But maybe you could just delve into what are seeing exactly maybe in the projects right now that give you confidence. And was this just basic commercial construction projects or was this hyper scale and any rationale on why they are pushed out into the second half of the year even into 2018 I believe was the comment.

Bill Galvin

Analyst

Yes, Shawn this is Bill. Yes, I think in the previous earnings call Bob mentioned that we've seen some delay in the large capital projects. The midmarket was fairly strong, and that remained strong for the first and second quarter but we're seeing the larger capital spend delayed. But still in the pipe we still expect it to come in the second half of 2017 into 2018. So not unpredicted, but certainly something that we are seeing continue to strengthen in the second half.

Bob Eck

Analyst

Yes I think Shawn I will add a little color. I think the hyper scale activity is not a question of changes in capital spend, there is always timing issue. The large complex projects they happen literally all around the world that can certainly impact timing. We think the enterprise market specifically was fairly slow in the quarter. We validated that through conversations with suppliers as well as non-competing customers who play in the same markets. So we're pretty comfortable that we didn't miss anything in the quarter and what we expect for the second half is pretty consistent with what others are seeing in the market.

Shawn Harrison

Analyst

Okay. And then on the EPS business, heck of a job this quarter. If you look at over the next let's say 12 to 18 months, you had a big share of win coming into this year. Are you seeing other opportunities given the success you had and outgrowing the market to take additional share and if that's possible is it similar to the size of program you want coming into the years maybe you could just size the opportunities if there are any out there?

Bob Eck

Analyst

Yes, Shawn one the most encouraging parts of the growth here in the quarter as we said was the fact that that new contract win only accounted for a little less than half of that growth. So it really reinforces our ability to drive organic growth in the rest of the IOU and public power space. Having said that the contract won was with one of the top two investor and utilities in the country. So there are just aren't many out there in that kind of size range. But yes, we continue to see opportunities to both grow existing customers and as partly by their growth, but also partly by us expanding our product sets with them, as well as gain some share in some of the white space especially in the public power area, which has a shorter sales cycle and there is a lot more players, but smaller opportunities in that space.

Shawn Harrison

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Bob Eck

Analyst

The other thing I would just add to that, it was extremely strong quarter for us. We wouldn't expect to see quite that level of growth in subsequent quarters probably a little less in Q3. And then will be much less in Q4 as we begin to ramp against a quarter where we had a partial quarter of activity with that new customer in Q4.

Shawn Harrison

Analyst

That's helpful. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Steven Fox with Cross Research. Your line is open.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Good morning, couple of questions for me, first off I just want to clarify at least relative my model it seems like UPS was better than you would have thought, coming into the quarter and the other two business segments are a little weaker. But even with a contract being as expected. I just want to make sure that is right or maybe my perception is off a little bit and then I have a couple follow-up.

Bob Eck

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

So I think part right, we did say when we were on the last call that we were going to have some tough comps in Q2 particularly in NSS. So the performance of NSS is really not a surprise for us. UPS was a little stronger than we might have expected. If anything we were probably to be honest a little disappointed in EES, particularly the industrial and construction business in North America, which was softer than we expected. But again as we said before, pretty strong activity in terms of pipeline and bidding in that business and we expect that to turn around in the second half.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Okay. And then in terms of the NSS project business specifically, I mean, it seems to me and I know you guys are pretty technology agnostic that fiber's sort of gaining in terms of print [ph] position. And I was curious if that is at all impacting how you're booking business or how you may book it in the future or any other trends you may be seeing in terms of high end cables versus fiber would be helpful.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Yes and this is Bill, I think that Steven, the long haul fiber business as you've seen in plenty of press has been a lot of investment going into the single mode long haul fiber, which is a different market than what we would consider for the data center markets and what not. So…

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Right, I am sorry, I should just clarify I meant within the data center that seems like 5%.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Yes, so we think the fiber content in the data center is continuing to grow. So the question is where is that money being spent, is it in the hyper scale, is it in the multi-tenant data center or is it in the end user investment, which is still the largest part of the market. So we feel like we have both segments covered and we will capture whatever trend is happening in those markets, which we again will see more project activity in the second half of this year.

Bob Eck

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Steve, and maybe I'll pick up with your comment about category cables. And we certainly see copper, as Bill just said, becoming a much, much smaller part of the data center. We would however point to a couple of other technologies that are being deployed that we think maintain the life of particularly high end category cable. One is wireless, and if you think of DAS, there was traditional coax DAS we are seeing a lot more structured cabling DAS for flexibility which supports high end category cables. The other market that we see evolving A/V. And then finally lighting, if you think of POE powered LED lighting in the future, that's a very early market right now, but that will be connected probably with categories say cable.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Great, that's helpful. And then just one other thing on that not to be a dead horse, but as these things happen and the product mix within what you're shipping changes, do you see where that - does that at all impact your own gross margins or do you think even from a relative profitability standpoint you should prove agnostic?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Steve I think it's relatively unchanged, I don't think the shift between copper and fiber will affect gross margin that much.

Steven Fox

Analyst · Cross Research. Your line is open.

Great, thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

You next question comes from David Manthey with Baird. Your line is open.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Thank you, good morning everyone. So first off on slide 19, when you talk about the business trend being up flat or down versus the prior quarter, are you referring to the year-to-year growth rate in the third quarter versus the second quarter, as I want to understand the definition there?

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Yes we always on this particular chart use this to speak to the sequential trends in the business. So for example there showing an up arrow, a green arrow for NSS North America is consistent with both Bob and Bill's comments that we would expect some larger project billings into the third and fourth quarter. So we would expect to see that growth rate improve from where it was in Q2. The yellow or kind of horizontal arrow in both EMEA and emerging markets in NSS is indicative of expecting to see the strong growth that we're currently experience in those markets continue. So that's how you should read that.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Okay. So just to be clear, when you are talking about growth Bill, if growth is X is the second quarter you would expect it to be greater than X in the third quarter, is that what you are saying or we are talking dollar here?

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

We are talk - again this is sequential. So I think that as an average daily sales. So we don't get caught up in the little bit of a confusion from the first quarter call, Q2 NSS and EES showed much slower growth year-over-year in Q2, but yes sequentially grew we were comparing against an extremely difficult comp last year where NSS and EES both grew over 10% sequentially from Q1 to Q2. So, this is really to give a trend an indication up to sequential trends we expect to see in the business, which would say average daily sales should improve in North America Q2 to Q3.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Got it, okay. All right. And Ted, did you say when you're referring to the UPS revenues of about $410 million did you say that's a reasonable level to expect in the second half or along the same line we need to just seasonally adjust that up in the third quarter and down in the fourth quarter similar to trends we saw in '16?

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Yes, what I said is that we would not expect to continue to see a 15 plus percent year-over-year growth rate in that business. It will continue to be in all likelihood the fastest growing of our three segments in both Q3 and full year. That Q3 number will be less than the 15, but the absolute dollar number should still be in that same range in Q3. But Q4, Dave as you know the business, there is seasonality, so there will be a lot less project spend. So we'll see the absolute number drop in Q4. But still should expect to see single-digit growth year-over-year in Q4 in UPS.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Got it. And then just final question here, are there any differences in the number of days per quarter in 2018 versus 2017?

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

I don't have that off the top of my head, I'll comment on that before the call is over here. I'm sorry, we do have that in the presentation. So for everybody's reference, days are the same '17 versus '16 for the balance for the year and in 2018 they are identical every quarter of the year '18 versus '17.

David Manthey

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Okay, thank you very much.

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Baird. Your line is open.

Thanks, Dave.

Operator

Operator

Next question comes from Jeffrey Kessler with Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Jeffrey Kessler

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Thank you for taking my questions. In the UPS business, given that it has the lowest margins currently, in the pipeline what you were looking at, are there ways of improving the margin? Will it always be below the margins - will it always be below the margins of EES and NSS or are there thing that are going on in the utility business, some value preposition marketing that can create a higher value for what you are installing there or what you are providing to your customers?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

So Jeff I will start and Bill or Ted may jump in if they have some color to add. We think the utility business from a gross margin standpoint will continue to be our lowest gross margin business. From an operating margin standpoint, as you saw in this quarter very good improvement in operating margin, and that's contributing to the total operating margin of the company. That's because in these programs we get really good leverage as the spending accelerates. There is - you think about more of the cost is fixed. And so as we accelerate sales that gives us a lot of leverage in that business and I will also point out that the working capital in that business as a percent of sales is lower than the other two business. So it provides really strong return on tangible capital.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Yeah, the only thing I would add to that Jeff is just reinforce the point about the difference between gross margin and operating expense. All three of our businesses have somewhat different profiles and even within the business, segments of the business has different profiles, like our security business versus network infrastructure and NSS. So the UPS business already has an operating profit margin higher than EES, gross margin lower but operating profit margin higher. So we believe we can continue to improve on the operating margin of all three of our businesses as we grow the top line, continue to drive operating expense leverage et cetera. But gross margin performance will vary depending on mix of the segment, mix of the customers and product mix but we are really focused on driving that operating profit leverage and operating profit margin improvement in each other.

Jeffrey Kessler

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

You mentioned pressure in NSS on the margin from the drop - in fact the race to the bottom we call [ph] in video pricing. It appears that some of the video manufacturers who are - who have higher end equipment have stabilized in terms of their pricing as the market begins to discern between what's low end video at the home and small business and what's high end video needed by larger infrastructure projects, where they are not probably going to use cheaper product. Are you beginning to see any type of - if you want to call it evening out in the margin on the bigger projects that you are looking at, in security with NSS because of video beginning to perhaps hit bottom in terms of margin.

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Hey, Jeff. Good question. Anixter services all parts of the market from the high end global complex customers down to local markets. So the issue becomes more in mix, right. The units are growing but the mix in the lower end of the market is dropping the margin. When you look at the higher end of the market, we do see stabilization of margins in that, especially as you drive more value around the solutions. Right, so I think we are seeing what's a typical market that's maturing, becoming much more stable in the future here. So I agree with your point. I think it will stabilize as we go forward here.

Jeffrey Kessler

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Okay, one other question about NSS, you do talk about where you believe fiber will play a role inside the datacenter and where new types of where CAD 6A [ph], and other areas are there - are you seeing any trends where certain types of cable look like they are going to be able to take back share inside the datacenter, are they things going on in the datacenter that we should be looking at over the course of the next two to three years where cable is actually going to be taking share?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

I will take this one Jeff. If you think back to my answer to Steve Fox's question about category cables versus fiber, we don't think category cables replace fiber in the datacenter in the future. We don't think that changes that, that chip [ph] of sales. We think the opportunity for copper category cables are in areas like wireless and POE lighting.

Jeffrey Kessler

Analyst · Imperial Capital. Your line is open.

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Allison Poliniak with Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Just going back to ESS, it doesn't sound like you expect the industrial side of our business to return to growth in the back half for this year. I mean am I misreading and based on our optimism and some the macro indicators when would you think that would return to growth for you?

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Allison maybe we were confusing in how we talked about the businesses. We do think the industrial construction part of the EES business will grow in the second half of the year. We are seeing - I think I commented that we are seeing maybe an answer to one of the questions, pipeline growth and accelerating bidding activity on the projects so we are positive about that for the second half.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Perfect, I misread you on it. And then NSS, it's your return to project there as well in the back half, would I expect that mix sort of to reverse for you where you get some EBITDA margin expansion there?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Yes, so I think the infrastructure market will grow as the project business picks up in the second half.

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

And that will create [indiscernible] for us on the operating margin in that business.

Allison Poliniak

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Bob Eck

Analyst · Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Thanks Allison.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Josh Pokrzywinski with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Can you hear me?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Go ahead Josh.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Go ahead Josh.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Yeah just a couple of quick questions. I guess first on the, the way guidance plays out on the top line for the second half, it looks like growth needs to accelerate a little bit in the fourth quarter. I guess comps are tougher across the business. You maybe square that up with what you're seeing in the project pipeline. Is it just a little too fine of a point on maybe trying to extrapolate 3Q versus 4Q. And how should we think about that cadence, I guess particularly in NSS and EES given the comp and customer ramp UPS is a little bit more obvious.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Yes, so Josh just to clarify to get to our target range for the full year. We would expect growth to accelerate somewhat from where it is in Q2. But remember, we're building off of extremely strong growth rate in Q1. We're actually we were little over 4% organic growth, over 5.5% organic growth on days' adjusted basis in Q1. So that leaves us currently of about 4% year-to-date in the first half on a days' adjusted basis. So if we were continue with that rate we'd be right in the middle of our range for the full year. So the clarification is we definitely expect the second half to grow at a faster rate than Q2, but not necessarily significantly different than the first half.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

But does the fourth quarter accelerate from the third quarter, the way you guys have conceptualized the framework. Again, I know you're not trying this, okay.

Bill Galvin

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

No. And part of that goes back to my previous UPS comments. We won't see the same level of growth in UPS in Q4 like we are reflecting in Q2 and Q3.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

And I guess just the final question. What you guys seeing on price. I know the video deflation is kind of a well warn path at this point you talked about it for a couple of quarters. But price just in other places of the portfolio, generally getting better we're hearing inflation pickup in other niches. How would you say that is still flowing through your system?

Bob Eck

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

No, Josh, I think this is Bob. I think the way to think about price is fairly stable across most of our market and product sets. Certainly there is copper inflation year-over-year, which impacts some of the copper sensitive electrical cables and electronic cables. But otherwise so that's one side video deflation one side and pricing is fairly stable.

Ted Dosch

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Yes maybe Josh, just to add a point of clarification. So the overall impact of that price deflation. In general with our business model inflations are framed. So we do a pretty good job of managing the gross margin and maintaining it even when we have price pressure like with - for copper cable and security cameras, et cetera. Having said that though, that does translate into a lower gross margin dollars on those products where we have the deflation. Lower gross margin dollars on a major product category like copper data cabling and security cameras does tend to be dilutive to the consolidated gross margin of our overall business, even though we're maintaining the gross margin percentage on those specific categories. So that's a little bit of what's also been reflected in our consolidated gross margin performance.

Josh Pokrzywinski

Analyst · Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Right understood. All right, thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Ted Wheeler with Wheeler Capital [ph]. Your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Yes, hi good morning all. Couple of questions on NSS if I could, what is the data center mix in that segment now and is it changing meaningfully? And I guess same question with respect to just the overall project mix. I know historically you it had ranges, kind of wonder where it right now.

Bob Eck

Analyst

Yeah, so Ted, from a big picture standpoint out of that NSS business remember approximately 40% is security, the other 60% is data center. The horizontal land all the products to go between the data center and the workstation. And then smaller but faster growing components of that are things like wireless and A/V. So out of that 60% that we somewhat more generically referred to as kind of the network infrastructure probably less than half of that is actual data center. And then obviously within that component of data center are the various aspects of enterprise, multi-tenant data center, hyperscale, et cetera.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Is that less than 50% of the 60% pretty steady number in the last year or two and do you expected it to stay that way?

Bob Eck

Analyst

As a percent of mix, but it moves around, right. So we have a quarter like the quarter we just finished where the data center project business was down. We expect to have a quarter coming up where the project data center mix will improve.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. So it's not a trend issue it's just noise…

Bob Eck

Analyst

Yes it's just lumpy.

Ted Dosch

Analyst

Yes, its fluctuations, particularly in enterprise CapEx, but also timing in the hyper scale CapEx.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And I guess it's a duplicate to the question about projects?

Bob Eck

Analyst

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. And I guess one other question you touched on the video pricing deflation are there other elements within security where pricing is drifting down or falling or is the non-video part of it not changing meaningfully in price?

Bob Eck

Analyst

So, I would say that attachment products to the video like accessories is also part of that, but we kind of lump that together as part of the solution. So, that's the way I would think about it in general, it's mix and then it's price, right. So, and we said before we expect that that deceleration to slow down.

Ted Dosch

Analyst

Another way to think of it Ted is it's the electronics, the electronics that has the price defilation. So it's the cameras, it's monitors, it's DVRs, it's no different than us going and buying that stuff at best buy or whatever on the consumer side, it's those category of products that by nature tend to have more price defilation.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Well, that's been true for years and years I would think. So, it sounds like this is a little bit different maybe I'm missing something. Electronic prices have been falling since last steady was around?

Bob Eck

Analyst

That's exactly right, Ted and as we've been talking about this for multiple years now that we were seeing softening pricing on a per unit basis in that market and it is what it is. And I think we've pretty effectively managed our way through it by attaching different products, higher value and having a more efficient sales model around it.

Ted Dosch

Analyst

The other thing to just keep in mind though Ted as well is these the pricing pressures outside of - in the cameras and these other areas of electronics becomes more pronounced as analog continues to evolve more to digital. So, when digital was smaller percentage of the total, those other types of electronic accessories weren't as higher percentage of the overall business.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Got it, thank you so much.

Bob Eck

Analyst

That concludes the question-and-answer session for today's call. So, thank you all for your questions and listening in. If you have additional questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to Ted or Lisa. And as always thank you for your interest in Anixter.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.