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NCR Voyix Corporation (VYX)

Q2 2010 Earnings Call· Thu, Jul 22, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon everyone thank you for standing by all lines in today’s call will be in a listen only mode into the question and answer session. At that time from open line (Operator Instruction). This conference is being recorded if you have any objection you should disconnect at this time and I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Gavin Bell. Sir, you may begin.

Gavin Bell

Management

Thank you Michel good afternoon and thanks everyone for joining us for our Second Quarter 2010 Earnings Call. Bill Nuti, NCR, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer will lead our conference call this afternoon after Bill’s opening remarks John Bruno Executive Vice President, of our Industry Solutions Group will update you on progress with respect to uncertainty initiative Bob Fishman, NCR’s Chief Financial Officer will then provide comments on NCR total company financial results. Our discussing today includes forecast another information that are considered forward looking statements while these statements reflect our current outlook they are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to very materially. These risk factors are described in NCR periodic fillings with the SEC and then our annual report to stockholders. On today’s call we will also be discussing certain non-GAAP financial information such as free cash flow, and result including the impact to pension and other items. Reconciliation with non GAAP financial results we have reported at forecasted GAAP results. And other information concerning such measures are include in our earnings press release and are also available on the investor page of NCR website. The replay of this conference call will be available later today on NCR website, ncr.com. For those listening to the replay of this call please keep in mind that the information discussed is as of July 22nd, 2010 and NCR assumes no obligation to update or provide the information included in this conference call whether a result of new information were future results. I’ll now turn the call over to Bill.

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you Gavin and good afternoon and thank you all for joining us today we are very please to report solid results for the second quarter. Our performance that keeps us on track within our operational and financial objectives for 2010. The second quarter featured positive trends in our core solutions businesses as well as continued execution on the past to maintain our position as our industrial to lowest and most efficient cost structure. Also in the second quarter we've received good news on pension reform legislation, which I’ll cover in just a moment. First to the quarterly results. Orders grew 9% versus a difficult comparison with the prior year and second quarter revenue grew 5% to 1.18 billion which included a one point benefit from our foreign currency translation. Gross margin on a non-GAAP basis include 50 basis points year-over-year. And the excluding investments in our entertainment business. Gross margins improved 90 basis points. And would have been our second best quarter in the last four years. Non pension operating income or NPOI grew 13% to 88 million after top comparison of 78 million in NPOI in the prior year period. Diluted earnings per share excluding pension expense were $0.35 compared to $0.31 in the last year second quarter. During the second quarter we generated 87 million of cash flow from operations and 42 million of free cash flow. Both significant improvements compared to the prior period. And this improvement in free cash flow is inclusive of our investment and entertainment as well as our on going normal levels of investments in other areas of our business. Our results for the first half of 2010 give us confidence in our guidance and therefore we are reaffirming our 2010 revenue growth and non-GAAP earnings guidance. Well we're pleased with the…

John Bruno

Management

Thank you Bill and since we’ll provided a good summary of the initiative and activity in our financial service business or provide some additional commentary on our other businesses and let start with retail and double correct and some of those comments and the progress were experience in this result of our R&D investment. Our recent third party report validate NCR leading global position and retail self-checkout solutions. Retail Banking Research or RBR it should report this past during inside of globally positive self checkout 2010. According to the report NCR is worlds largest self-checkout solutions provider in terms installment for the share almost 3.5 times higher than its closest competitor more than 2/3rd of our self-checkout service in the U.K of NCR solutions. And NCR accounts for more than half of all self-checkout and solutions (inaudible). more than a 150 retailers from 12 different retail segments and more than 20 countries use NCR software checkout including some of the worlds largest investment on brand such as (inaudible) just a few. And we’ve continue to investment space. So far in 2010 NCR has introduce several enhancements to our SelfServe Checkout solution inclusive of the smaller footprint granted by down market and address the needs of convenient stores and other space constrains retailers. This news also checkout many is 50% smaller then I started NCR solution and provides fully integrated security features. We also have some new release of NCR SelfServe Checkout software which deliver several key enhancement that will help to retailers improvement self-checkout solutions; faster and will lower the cost of managing this checkout terminals. Accordance to our own research retail has chosen self checkout system experience decrease customers rate terms of 40% an increase checkout speed of 20%. As such adopting the broader range of self service technologies…

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you John so that covers what has been a quarter of positive trends emerging in each of our core and emerging industries as we laid for you in details on our last call when we define our pension road map, we have a plan that position NCR to optimize our earnings performance and create value for shareholders as we grow the company. Let me take a moment to cover sub detail pension as I mentioned on our Q1 call our efforts to mitigate the risks and volatility of our pension plan including the number of steps over time. With one part of our plan involving active lobbing and supportive federal legislation and that providing pension funding relief for clients impacted by the 2008 market decline. NCR was up to fore front of this advocacy after alongside industry partners and members of congress to secure final passage. And I’m very please to report on June 25th president Obama signed the preservation of access to care for medical beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010. In summary, the new low gives company the option to select one of two special amortization schedules either 2 plus 7 for 15 year versus the current low. Both schedules will affect the 2008 to 2011 pension plan years. Under the 15 year option, companies will be able to amortize any short fall over a 15 year period. This option is more attractive and we believe it will provide meaningful relief to NCR. In summary, our current expectation per cash funding of the US qualified plan is approximately 75 million in 2012 and 110 million in 2013 down significantly from our previous estimates of 125 million in 2012 and 175 million in 2013. With pension reform behind us we’ll continue to manage our pension situation very closely and execute on our pension strategy. With this critical legislation now in place, we will turn our attention to evaluating the options available to us to reduce the valuation gap due to our pension situation. Our Q2 informed in share our planned as we continue to analyze and evaluate our alternatives. Now let me turn the call over to Bob to give you a deeper dive into the Q2 financial results and provides key guidance and matrix for Q3. I’ll come back to rap up after Bob’s with you. Bob.

Bob Fishman

Management

Thanks Bill. NCR’s total revenue in the quarter was $1.18 billion up 5% versus Q2 2009. This includes of 1 point benefit from foreign currency translation. We reported net income from considering operation attributable to NCR at $20 million or $0.12 per diluted share. This compares to a net income from continuing operation attributable to NCR of $20 million for a $0.13 per diluted share in Q2 2009. NCR’s result includes special items in both periods. In Q2 2010 result includes $7 million or $4 million after tax and incremental cost directly related to our headquarters relocation. Additionally, pension expense was $50 million or $33 million after tax in Q2 2010 compared to $39 million or $29 million after tax in Q2 2009. Excluding these items non-GAAP EPS expansion was $0.35 in Q2 2010 versus $0.31 in Q2 2009. To analyze NCR’s operational performance without the effective special items in pension expense please see the supplemental financials schedule included in our earnings press release and on our website that reconciles our GAAP to non-GAAP results. Our Q2 2010 gross margin excluding pension expense in special items was 22.9% compared to 22.4% in the prior year period demonstrating the benefits from the successful implementation or cost reduction initiatives. Operating expenses excluding pension expenses in special items were $180 million, $181 million were 51.4% of revenues down 10 bases points from Q2 2009. As a direct result of our ongoing efforts to optimized our cost structure. Total company non-GAAP income from operations or MPOI was $88 million in the second quarter compared to $78 million in last years Q2. Income tax expense was $11 million on GAAP basis in the second quarter versus expense of $13 million in Q2, 2009. We continued to expect the full year 2010 effective tax rate of…

Bill Nuti

Management

Thanks Bob. We are looking forward to the second half of 2010. The global economy has heard significant challenges over the past two years. The biggest of which has been our pension funding burden. We’ve taken those challenges, we faced head on and we’ve maintained our strategic vision and continue to investing in our businesses. While the phase of recovery will remains unpredictable. We are seeing improved visibility in our core businesses. Our balance sheet is solid into our multi year cost improvement plan. We are well in a way to driving with profitable earnings growth as business conditions improved. And to returns on that growth will be enhanced as we continue to implement our well structured plan to eliminate our pension funding gap. With the elements of strategy delivering the desired results we now must focus on seasoning opportunities to build greater top line momentum in our core businesses. As I outlined earlier, our financial and retail businesses are seeing positive trends and we retain strong market and technology leadership positions globally. At the same time, our entertainment business in other emerging new verticals creates attractive opportunities for growth in the coming years. Execution in all of these areas is vital for NCR and that's where we focus in the second half from 2010. We will of course keep you posted on our progress and we also look forward to sharing more with you about our goals and strategies later this year when we host you at NCR’s analyst's day. Please stay tuned for more details on that in the months ahead. I want to thank you all for joining the call and now I'll now opened it up to questions. Operator.

Operator

Operator

Thanks Nuti. (Operator’s Instructions) It looks like our first question is from Paul Coster with JPMorgan.

Coster Paul - JPMorgan

Analyst

Thank’s very much. The cost seems becoming through in March end looking forward you expect the gross margin to continue to improve and can you provide some color on that if possible?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah. Actually gross margin in the second quarter were combination of better mix and cost reduction initiatives. As well as the improvement in services margins that we saw year-over-year on the product mix side, you need to think about the fact that in the U.S. we saw a better mix of regional banks in the total financial services business and they come with better margins in retail it was the outstanding year-on-year growth we saw in self-checkout revenue of 83% up year-on-year and they come with much better margins than I also have to say our point of sale business is doing well in terms of margins in the retail business and then our software business has grew, not just grew in terms of revenue but grew in terms of margins. So we’re very focused on mix shift across those dimensions going forward and we’ve got a lot of focus on cost reductions and value engineering going on in the company as well. And I think the answer to your question is yes, we do expect over the medium to long-term, our margins to improve. I mean, that is the plan and that’s the work where we’re driving towards for the next several years.

Coster Paul - JPMorgan

Analyst

Got it. Bill, on the entertainment business side, any change you thinking regarding when you’ll achieved breakeven and can you share with us any of the outcome of the negotiations with the studios regarding the window negotiations which I believe should be concluded this summer?

Bill Nuti

Management

Sure. Relative to studios first, things are going well and we have a very good relationship with the studios probably the – we are very active ongoing communications and negotiations with them and we anticipate closing that off by the end of the summer, as I’ve have said. First question, first part of the question was.

Robert Fishman

Analyst

Was around any change to our – to our position…

Bill Nuti

Management

No change on our EBITDA breakeven and EBIT breakeven guidance, which is will be EBITDA breakeven and slightly positive in Q4 and we will be between 25 and 35 million next year EBITDA positive and EBIT positive by Q4, 2011.

Coster Paul - JPMorgan

Analyst

And just to clarify on the kiosk side, you still believe, you will be able to avoid the 28 day window?

Bill Nuti

Management

We don’t – at the end of the day they are going to be several studios, we will – we feel confident we will be able to avoid the 28 day window on, relative to a few of them we are still working it through. We would like to reach a point what we have the ability to have a premium offering during the window but candidly a few of them don’t fall our way. We feel very good about the economics of declines of deals we can move through the systems with those guys and are feeling very, very bullish about where we’re going to land by the end of the summer.

Robert Fishman

Analyst

Yeah, I’d only – I’ll talk, its little bit more complex in fact the, as Bill properly pointed out the contracts are little bit more than just a rustle in the window. The cost of our technology and software and it ways in which we pick about our business longer term, we’re looking at the total automatic retail cooperating in the industry and that’s what you know, what’s gives us comment thinking about what is the retail store look like in a future versus what is it look like today and that’s why it includes more than just ramp up.

Coster Paul - JPMorgan

Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Katie Huberty with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Katie Huberty - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Thanks good afternoon. The EMEA growth impressive in the contacts of what we’ve heard from other IT companies. Can you just shed some light on the trends that you sound that region during the quarter and whether you think a positive growth rate is sustainable into the third quarter?

Bill Nuti

Management

I agree with you Katie. I mean, we first of all you know the one thing that I didn’t say in the prepared remarks that I should say, is we over came a time of that headwind in Q2 and posted some pretty impressive number in light of that and a lot of that FX headwind within Europe. We grew 10% and faced the 4 point headwind. So on FX mutual basis we grew 14%. The two things that I would point you in Europe that really supported our growth in the second quarter and candidly in the first half because we had an excellent first quarter in Europe, has been both the growth of our ATM business in emerging markets and the growth of our self checkout business in Western Europe. Those two solution areas are the primary reasons for our growth and do we thinks its sustainable going into the third and fourth quarter, the answer is yes and that’s because we had order growth there both in the first quarter and second quarter.

Katie Huberty - Morgan Stanley

Analyst

Thank you

Operator

Operator

Reik Read with Robert Baird & Co. Your line is open Reik Read - Robert Baird & Co: Thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Just back on retail. Bill, you said as you talk about evidence of a refresh which is something we’ve all been waiting for but really haven’t had any evidence of it. Can you talk about what you’re seeing that gives you confidence there, what the timing is and talk specifically about impact done kind of a traditional point of sale business?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah, so net-net is the first thing I would point to with respect to retail as the order growth in the second quarter was 27%. That’s a great sign that we’re seeing a significant increase in customer activity for us. And the first quarter, we also had very, very good growth 21% order growth in the first quarter. So 21.5 about a 27 are good signs and then when you drilled down underneath that our self checkout business has experienced just the kind of growth we’ve not seen at NCR, 8% year-on-year revenue growth and self checkout in Q2 63% year-to-date in that business and that’s a good margin next in that business. So that’s also evidence of this refresh taking place. But we’re seeing little bit of a difference here and that the refresh now is more focused on self service and it is on point of sales. We are seeing self checkout feature more prominently at the point of sale as it replaces traditional assisting point of sales terminals where we once would have deployed an assisted point of sale terminal, grossers in particular are deploying self checkout. So those are the matrix that demonstrates good signs. I don’t know if John you got any other comment.

John Bruno

Management

We only want to point at that, right is, on point of sales that were assisted all the things I discussed that are happening at the point of sale, it seems so more rich content requirement, guest immigration, wealthy and promo cards, these types of things are really pushing the envelope on processing power, user interface and the types of things that have to be associated with of point of sales. That’s an encouraging sign and that’s encouraging signs for the line which we’ve architected our business and that’s why we made our investments both organically and inorganically, but our net acquisition did not face as we planed. Reik Read - Robert Baird & Co: If you go back to before that the downturn hit, you guys would kind of characterize your mix there is roughly a third self service and may be that’s out of date now just given some of the growth rate. Can you kind of talk about the where that is and where you think it should be a year from now?

Bill Nuti

Management

I think today its more 60, 40, you know, in terms of revenue mix, 60% traditional point of sale 40%, self checkout, that’s up significantly from the year’s past. And I think even if that shift become a little bit more permanent overtime. It will fluctuate. There will be quarters where point of sale because of the size and some of this rollout, will you self check-out business. But on the whole, I think we’re moving quickly from a third of the business to 40% of the business. Reik Read - Robert Baird & Co: Okay. And then if I could just ask a question on the ATM side of things. In the U.S. Your press release talk about the business being down a little bit in the U.S. Is that really a reflection of the large banks ramping down and I would take it from what you said in your comments. Bill, is it you have some evidence that the regional are ramping, but it’s not enough to offset at this point?

Bill Nuti

Management

Well, it’s a good news, bad news story if you will for us. It’s more good news nor a bad news because while the large banks have slow down and yes, the answer to your question is yes, (inaudible) is correct. What we are seeing is significant margin improvement in the U.S. If you look at our margins in the U.S, they came up significantly and the reason is the mix is much better with regional banks. So, our regional bank mix was the best in Q2 than I’ve seen going back several years as a percentage of our total revenue and the margins in the space are three to four times what they are in the national or large bank segments. So, that’s positive. Reik Read - Robert Baird & Co: Okay. Great, thank you much.

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Matt Summerville with Keybanc, your line is open.

Matt Summerville - KeyBanc

Analyst

Couple of questions. First on the ATM business it sounded like there is some language in the press release we saw little softness in Asia Pacific during the quarter. Can you put little more color around that and what your expectations there for the rest of the year?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah just seasonality Matt. I don’t think and I don’t think its anything more than that for us we continue to expect Asia Pacific to be a positive and good market going forward. We had a terrific Q1 in Asia Pacific and I would just classify as seasonality that the back – if you look at the backlog, if you look at the front log things looked promising there, continue to look promising there.

Matt Summerville - KeyBanc

Analyst

Its my understanding in terms of pension reform that deal, I thinks if HR 3962 kind of spells our, what you can do from a capital allocation stand point. How does this legislation you know, constrain or not your ability to think about buying back stock over the next couple of years. And then I guess it looks like you kind of went back to talking about the funded status in the plan as of December 31st, last quarter you gave a more you know, up to date kind of metric there are you able to do that this time around as of the end of second quarter?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah. I think on – to answer your part of your question Matt, you know, for us we’re going to get a lot of flexibility out of pension reform and we feel pretty good about what is going to mean to the company in terms of financial flexibility. We have – the good news is that in the final form of pension legislation redemptions can be – at least for NCR, can you think about at this, it’s high as about $200 to $250 million a year, if we want to buyback stock. So it doesn’t limit us in terms of buyback and then that’s the good news. So were able to work closely with member of congress and closely with the administration, I think the work just to the extent that – we virtually have no limit on buyback. And by the way just to make something very clear. If we decided to buyback more than 200 to 250 million in any given year, the only thing we have to do is match that with regard to pension funding. So we’re not limited for say, its just mean that we have to put more into pension funding that year. So we are prohibited to do that and I want to make that clear. But we have up to 2 to 250 without having to match that in terms of funding Relative to pension where we are today, clearly in the second quarter and we don’t as you know Matt, we mark-to-market on 12/31 at every year. So giving quarterly updates on pension is difficult. We did it Q1 because were announcing part of our pension strategy in Q1. We’re not going to do that every quarter just simply because it fluctuates so much in all throughout a year. However, that being said you could expect it Q2 because the discount rate went down about 50 basis points in the quarter that – that incrementally worse [ph] in that quarter. Where we land at the end of the year, right now we don’t know.

Matt Summerville - KeyBanc

Analyst

Thanks Bill.

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Ajit Pai with Stifel Nicolaus. Your line is open

Robert Walker

Analyst

Hi, this is Robert Walker around for Ajit. Just a regarding Intelligent Deposits. You mentioned the 9,000 U.S institutions, you guys can take advantage of this in your press release on the 12. Roughly how many ATM’s that represents or how would you size opportunity in terms of revenue and what percentage have already been upgraded and what is your share there, we can think roughly? Thank you.

Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Hi, this is Robert Walker around for Ajit. Just a regarding Intelligent Deposits. You mentioned the 9,000 U.S institutions, you guys can take advantage of this in your press release on the 12. Roughly how many ATM’s that represents or how would you size opportunity in terms of revenue and what percentage have already been upgraded and what is your share there, we can think roughly? Thank you.

Bill Nuti

Management

The way you need to think about the mid-sized or regional banks versus the national bank’s is, they end up a same number of bank owned ATM’s in the U.S., call it you know,. 125,000 thousand units if you will per constituent. So national banks, large national banks and then the regional and mid-sized banks. And the regional and mid-sized banks have really yet to move forward aggressively with deposit automation. Now some of them will not because there is not a return investment for some of the smaller institutions but there is a good percentage of that base of 125,000 or so ATM’s that will still need to transition to deposit automation. And the way we think about it here is, it’s in the range of 50,000 to 75,000 units very similar to the number of units that are going to be transitioned to deposit automation in the large banks segment. So it’s about the same and the opportunity is the same, of course is many more of the regional and mid-sized and there of the nationals.

Robert Walker

Analyst

Okay. And then roughly what do you think your share there is there and then also kind of just globally, to get kind of size there. Obviously its definitely larger, but any kind of how you thinking about that on the global scale?

Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Okay. And then roughly what do you think your share there is there and then also kind of just globally, to get kind of size there. Obviously its definitely larger, but any kind of how you thinking about that on the global scale?

Bill Nuti

Management

Well, outside the U.S. deposit automation in mid-sized banks are come in different flavors depending upon the market. There are very large mid-sized bank pocket’s however throughout the world, most of which have been somewhat dormant for the last 18 months in terms of spending which, it has muted our margin somewhat. Although we sit here very-very pleased as to our gross margin improvement program without having that mid-sized bank segment participating at the rate that they did in '06 and '07 and '08. In the U.S., our shares is good in the mid-sized banks. We intend to make it better in the mid-size banks and we think that we have some opportunities to do that and over the course of the next year through innovation, improved innovations and coverage in that marketplace that we anticipate will help NCR from a market share position in that space.

Robert Walker

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. And just briefly, it was interesting lowering the pension funding that you’re going to be required to do. If you can just talk briefly about kind of I guess that was result of the bill being passed, but more briefly more information about that?

Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Okay. Thanks. And just briefly, it was interesting lowering the pension funding that you’re going to be required to do. If you can just talk briefly about kind of I guess that was result of the bill being passed, but more briefly more information about that?

Bill Nuti

Management

Sure, Bob you want to take that?

Bob Fishman

Management

The question is…

Robert Walker

Analyst

Pension funding a little bit more on the financial flexibility provided to the company on pension reform?

Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Pension funding a little bit more on the financial flexibility provided to the company on pension reform?

Bob Fishman

Management

Well, our view is that by reducing the U.S. contributions from $175 to a $125 million. You know that obviously preserve to $50 million in that particular year. And so, you know, that allows us the flexibility to invest in organic opportunities, in R&D and other items. That we didn’t have before the pension reform was passed. So, that’s what we mean by financial flexibility.

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah. Just think about pension reform and the 15 year amort [ph] schedule on this way. There is not a lot of – on and NPB basis. It’s not all that valuable to us. what is valuable to us though, is having the 50 million more in cash in 12 and the 75 million more cash in 13 and so on up to 2017. And what is valuable is that the markets now have a longer period of time to adjust and therefore could dramatically improve our under funded pension gap without us needing to invest the cash in the pension. So it is a – it gives us a lot of time and lot of flexibility for the markets to recover more quickly, which means we would, we’re not going have to invest potentially in pension funding and we get the relief on top of that from 2012 to around 2017.

Robert Walker

Analyst

Great. That helps. Thank you.

Stifel Nicolaus

Analyst

Great. That helps. Thank you.

Bill Nuti

Management

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Zahid Siddique with Gabelli. Your line is open. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: A couple of questions. The first one on the kiosk, what is key outstanding number of kiosk that you have installed or are in the process of installing?

Bill Nuti

Management

We have today around 6500 installed and we are running at a 100 to 200 a week in that range, right now demanded not the issue, its making sure the choices we make with respect to where we deploy our smart choices around the ability for reason is to ramp to our revenue expectation. So we could I mean, if we wanted to we could ramp faster, but right now is about making smart choices on deployment. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: And you still believe you will be able to achieve the 10000 kiosk target by 2010?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yes. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Okay. And on –- also on the kiosk what is your relationship with Blockbuster, they have been in the news lately. And hypothetically they were 5 for chapter 11, how does that impact your relationship?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yes. Just a reminder on Blockbuster, we essentially licensed to brand name and pay royalty to them based on the success of kiosk. We value them as a partner. Their brand name regardless of some of the challenges they face happens to be very valuable to us and is well recognized as a video distribution brand, relative to Blockbuster I’m not going to, I am not going to take a guess on terms of what happens to the company. I think they are working hard to recapitalize the company and we wish them the best of luck. In the worse case basis we do have some protections in place related to the brand. But we also we’re going to continue to work with them as a partner on a go forward basis in whatever configuration they are in. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: So what about the revenue sharing agreement you have, you’ll probably continue with whoever and kept winning the assets, the Blockbuster assets. I guess you’ll just carry on the license with them?

Bill Nuti

Management

Correct Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Okay. Last question is on the ATM. I think you mentioned the various regions. What was the orders if you quantify by regions, just for the ATM products not the service, just the product?

Bill Nuti

Management

You mean giving you a sense of what order growth was in the Q2 high region? Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Yeah

Bill Nuti

Management

By region, just for financial services? Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Right. For the equipment or product?

Bill Nuti

Management

I got you. Okay. So for the America’s think about order growth year-on-year in the low single digits, very low single digits. Think about for EMEA around almost around 20% points and Asia Pacific was down in the mid teams year-on-year of as very-very difficult compare last year. I am sorry year-to-date that was so net, the way we want to think about it is the America is actually on for Q2 only up about again low single digits for Q2 only EMEA close to 20% and for Q2 only for APEX mid teen down in mid teens. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: And for Q2 America was down up for Q2 only. America?

John Bruno

Management

For Q2 only America was up Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: At low single.

John Bruno

Management

Low single. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Thank you so much

John Bruno

Management

And further APEX is up in the low single digits year-on-year on-year-to date basis, which gets to the point I was trying to make very strong Q1. Zahid Siddique – Gabelli: Thank you.

John Bruno

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Gil Luria with Wedbush Securities your line is open.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc

Analyst

Thank you, for taking my question in the entertainment retail business I think last quarter you said the revenue ran about 20 million can you give us some update at what it was in the second quarter please.

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah, just around 25 million, just around 25 million in the quarter.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc

Analyst

Okay and then your two comparators for entertainment retailing you max forces [ph] doing part of reason they seem to be doing well as the streaming business I think our red box is talking about they'll probably announce something probably around those line later this year what’s your plan for tried to address apart from physically going to Kiosk to download digitally do you have plans of competing in other aspects of entertainment retail new orders streaming, something like that, that you’re working on?

Bill Nuti

Management

So, we’re working on a number of initiatives across all of those channel, the one we talk about most is around affordability of digital content because that’s where the investments were made in a tight closest to our business model. That's being said, the infrastructure necessary in order to deliver that, is also capable of delivering media in a variety of formats which would include downloading or streaming. And so, what we’re doing is as we’re looking at the core investments on what it is to be need to do the delivery net into affordable format and then we will continue to make investments as we see the market on both. Because without the set top box type company and we’re not partner with consumer electronics company as a destination, we do that through a partnership with blockbuster and we’ve continued to just drive our focus in the part that we think are most challenging in that digital right management of digital content is in motion. We just see but that’s going to be a market, that’s going to continue to grow and have 3D technical demand and then we want to be company to solve that issue.

John Bruno

Management

And, Gil this business has met every expectations so far we’ve had a bit. We couldn't be more excited about the potential for this business inside the company. And we’re going to continue to investing what the value change.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc.

Analyst

Great. Jumping to pensions, still with some but there will be 25 debt change to discount the rate equal to 140 million of on refunded status?

Bill Nuti

Management

That’s correct. It’s about a 130 million, it’s about a 130 million Gil all and so, that’s about right. The only thing I’d say is if you try to do the map around what happen in the given quarter you have to also take into account you know at return on assets which actually that we don’t were not doing for the quarter but the reason will be the second quarter will bit the market in Q2 on return on assets.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc

Analyst

Got it. Fox River, can you help us sort out just in terms of what the future cash flow needs were going to be for that what do you expect to spend cash while on Fox River going forward this year and beyond?

Bill Nuti

Management

It is pretty consistent going far with what we’ve said if you knowing the past it's approximately $30 million a year for the next seven or eight years.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc

Analyst

Got it. And one last question it seems like the expense for the head quarter move your expectations for that expense from the first quarter for changed what was the change there that are that increase that expense?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah, there was no, no real change you know obviously the head quarters move has gone well, we spend in Q2 roughly $7 million and that was as expected and also in line what will spend in Q1 you can expect obviously that number to you know it reduce significantly it because the move is affectively complete.

Gil Luria - Wedbush Securities Inc

Analyst

Isn’t there are change in the annual guidance and the non-GAAP reconciliation table thing right there’s a bigger out box for that item in this report guidance then they work for first quarter report?

Bill Nuti

Management

Well, what we do for those you know one time non operational items as the factors are meant to be with the GAAP guidance as really incurred. So what we trying to explain in the foot note is that one, what would leaving operational EPS reaffirming that so no change there. (inaudible) one time might have miss figures in Q2 but the GAAP results full year guidance’s come down correspondingly. That consisted with how we deal with one time items in the past.

Gil Luria- Wedbush Securities

Analyst

Got it. Thank you

Bill Nuti

Management

Thanks Gil

Operator

Operator

Kartik Mehta with Northcoast Research. Your line is open

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst

Thank you. Good afternoon Bill. I just wanted to get make sure I understand your comments under the ATM market rate and get far comment on Europe. I think for the America’s you said mix getting better for the market. Asia pacific just seasonality impacting revenue but market overall strong and just wondering if you could give those two are accurate and finally add some comments for how you see a (inaudible) for the ATM side of the business?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah, both comments are accurate and with respect to Europe going forward we anticipate our positive trends continuing in Q3 and Q4.

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst

And then on the DVD side of business. It's seems like growing. Its exceeding your expectation and currencies as where you get plenty of demand and you’ll easily get to the 10,000. (inaudible) continue to increase investment in that business and then you push off back-even because the business is going well and trying to see in longer terms just be a better business decision?

Bill Nuti

Management

Look right now the way I look at this (inaudible) were in July we have lot of work just to get to 10,000 kiosks. This year we had a lot of work to get that done and put those in the right places. If we get closer to the -- or into the flows of strategic planning for 2011 will determine whether or not we want to increase our investment in entertainment of the rates gets higher over time from our perspective because we do feel strongly that other channels to market going forward might be better investments for the company but we are not going to make that determination until we get towards the end of this year will give you guide and update probably on the next call to the way we see it but right now you know we got to get 10,000 done in 10,000 put in the right places.

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst

And finally, do you seen or you said that the sub-check of business is really picking up and wondering the retail verticals where you are seeing the biggest demand product? Thank you.

John Bruno

Management

Thank you

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst

It remains in grocery and big box primarily although we did have one size of the general merchandiser in Europe this past quarter made a very significantly investment in this technology but generally it’s greater penetration of checkout lands in grocery big box and DIY

Kartik Mehta - Northcoast Research

Analyst

Thank you very much

Operator

Operator

Read Reik, Robert Baird & Company. Your line is open. Read Reik - Robert Baird & Company: Yeah. Thanks just one quick follow up the Georgia tax benefits when will those kick in that’s still roughly $80 90 million over five years?

John Bruno

Management

It is since over longer period of time but they kick in more significantly for the company in 2011. We are getting benefits now some benefits this year but not clearly there are not going to be full year benefits of having all of the employees in – on the payroll and 2011, they kick in, they actually become accretive and they are accretive through 2016. Read Reik - Robert Baird & Company: Okay. Great, thanks a lot.

Bill Nuti

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Our final question comes from Matt Summerville with Keybanc.

Matt Summerville - Keybanc

Analyst

Thanks. Just two quick follow up. First, I apologies if you gave this Bob, but what’ your free cash flow outlook for NCR for 2010 for the full year.

Bob Fishman

Management

We’re keeping it as we did. You know last quarter, its breakeven free cash flow which includes the investment in the entertainment business of roughly $85 million.

Matt Summerville - Keybanc

Analyst

Okay. And then, Bill to one of your earlier comments on pension and this reform in the fact that it gives NCRs and others centrally a longer period at a time for the markets to kick in and how about with the funded status? Given that point, do you – are you rethinking in all the asset allocations strategy because as you continue to move theoretically from a little bit more heavily weighting from equity in the fixed income over that period, won’t you kind a limit that upside, especially with the way fixed income prices have run up?

Bill Nuti

Management

Yeah. You know, we’re going to stick with our plan Matt, to do it over three years. Our goal is to be out of the pension business in that timeframe if we can do it. And not have to deal with this a couple of years from now. We do think that we’ll get the benefit of any equity market run up over there three year period in the mix of our returns on assets and total. Fixed income returns have been relatively good for us and we anticipate that you know they’ll will be good for us going forward. So, you know, we’re going to stay with the play we had in place today to shift the fixed income over three years and continue our focus on getting out of the pension business.

Matt Summerville - Keybanc

Analyst

Okay. And then Bob you were just talking about that the head quarter relocation expenses kind of being one time in nature, they’ve gone on it 5 to 7 million for three quarter running now. Will we continue to – I guess when we will see the end of this call out in that expense and then the context of 80 to 90 million impacts related incentives for moving down there, I’m not sure what the duration that is but it sounds like over 5 years. If we NPV that and look at all this three relocation expense, can you walk me through how the whole our ROIC of equation on this whole move works? Bob Fishman Yeah, we don’t need to answer your first question on – the one time items are obviously cut coming to an end on you know that Baden headquarters as of June 30th, would we – we closed that building. So you might see a one time item come through in Q3. We’re still working through that you know call it $3. $4, $5 million math. But that would be the last one that we anticipate. In terms of your question around the NPV, the NPV the business case for the move from Baden to Delluit we don’t have significant financial benefit for us and we’re executing on that. So there is a lot of process offsetting you know, the one time items that we’ve called out. So it’s a significant NPV to move from Baden to Delluit and will see those savings in our P&L over the next five to six years as Bill mentioned. So trust me on that it’s a very sound business case from a financial benefit perspective.

Matt Summerville - Keybanc Capital Markets

Analyst

Thanks a lot for your helpful guidance

Gavin Bell

Management

Thank you Matt. Well thank you very much for everybody for joining the call. And we look forward to speaking to you again in a couple of months guys. Thanks so much. Take care.