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Unisys Corporation (UIS)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, Apr 29, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Unisys Corporation First Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Courtney Holben, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Courtney Holben

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone. This is Courtney Holben, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you for joining us. Earlier today, Unisys released its first quarter 2020 financial results. I'm joined this afternoon to discuss those results by Peter Altabef, our Chairman and CEO; and Mike Thomson, our CFO. Before we begin, I'd like to cover a few details. First, today's conference call and the Q&A session are being webcast via the Unisys investor website. Second, you can find the earnings press release and the presentation slides that we will be using this afternoon to guide our discussion as well as other information relating to our first quarter performance on our investor website, which we encourage you to visit. Third, today's presentation, which is complementary to the earnings press release include some non-GAAP financial measures. The non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures, and we've provided reconciliations within the presentation. Although appropriate under generally accepted accounting principles, the Company's results reflect charges that the Company believes are not indicative of its ongoing operations and that can make its profitability and liquidity results difficult to compare to prior periods, anticipated future periods or to its competitors' results. These items consist of pension, debt exchange, cost reduction and other expense. Management believes each of these items can distort the visibility of trends associated with the Company's ongoing performance. Management also believes that the evaluation of the Company's financial performance can be enhanced by use of supplemental presentation of its results that exclude the impact of these items in order to enhance consistency and comparativeness with prior or future period results. Following measures are often provided and utilized by the Company's management, analysts and investors to enhance comparability of year-over-year results as well as to compare results to other…

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thank you, Courtney, and thank you all for joining us today. We hope that you, your families and friends are safe and healthy during this difficult time. As we all know, the world has changed significantly since the beginning of the year. So I will address COVID-19 before we turn to first quarter results. I am proud of how our team has responded to the current situation in support of our clients and each other. Our priorities during this critical time, center on the safety and wellbeing of our associates, clients and partners, providing the best service and most innovative solutions possible for our clients to help them through their challenges during this time, and positioning the company to emerge from the COVID-19 period in a position of strength. We moved quickly to encourage all our associates to work-from-home, and within a very short period of time, had more than 95% of our operations securely enabled for remote access. We were already technology-enabled for remote working. Several years ago, we adopted video conferencing and Voice over IP as our primary connectivity across the company. Most of our associates are equipped with laptops. In the limited instances where this was not the case, we worked quickly to provide the needed devices or find alternate options for management of workloads. We have also deployed Unisys Stealth across our organization, which allows us to avoid the security issues associated with VPN usage that many companies have faced recently. For the associates who cannot work remotely, such as those performing essential services in person with clients like our field services team. We are doing everything we can to ensure their safety, including providing PPE as available and utilizing government recommended health practices. We have implemented our business continuity planning procedures. These are ISO certified…

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us. First, I echo Peter’s hope that you and your families are all safe, healthy, and doing well in this challenging time. Our thoughts are with everyone as they face the daily challenges of this new environment. In my discussion today, I will refer to both GAAP and non-GAAP results. As a reminder, reconciliations to these metrics are available in our earnings material. As we have discussed previously, we close the sale of our U.S. Federal business on March 13, 2020. The historic results of the company's U.S. Federal business have been reflected in the company's consolidated financial statements as discontinued operations beginning January 1, 2020 and as required by U.S. GAAP, all prior period financial statements have been reclassified accordingly. Throughout this discussion, we will refer only to the company's continuing operations. With respect to first quarter results, non-GAAP adjusted revenue was $514.5 million, down 6.9% year-over-year or 5.2% on a constant currency basis. As we mentioned in the fourth quarter, we were anticipating a year-over-year decline and the revenue was ahead of consensus estimates. Non-GAAP adjusted services revenue was down 10% year-over-year or 8.3% on a constant currency basis. Volume at our check-processing joint venture declined as expected and we experienced an impact from COVID-19 largely related to decreased demand for field services and declines in volume-based contract. Additionally, foreign currency worked against us as most currencies weakened versus the U.S. dollar. Technology revenue was up 11.2% year-over-year relative to expectations for a year-over-year decline as several contracts were renewed earlier than expected. The outperformance in technology revenue for the quarter helped offset the impact of COVID-19 that we saw in services. As a reminder, for the most part, GAAP accounting requires all license revenue associated with our proprietary software to…

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks Mike very much. I again like to thank everyone for joining us on the call today. And before we begin the Q&A session, I would like to highlight that as we announced previously, we postponed our Investor Day until we have better visibility on macro economic conditions. So in the interim, we created an introduction to Unisys, which is designed to provide an overview of the company as we have a number of investors and analysts looking at the company for the first time or the first time in many years. And as we were putting together the introduction to Unisys, an interesting thing happened. By the time we finished it, we realized that it would be helpful for anyone interested in our company, even those already familiar with us. So I would encourage all of you to access the presentation, which is posted on our investor website. We actually posted it last week. With that, we'll open up to questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Jon Tanwanteng with CJS. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Good afternoon, guys. Thank you for taking my questions and a nice quarter.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks, Jon.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

My first one is, you mentioned profits being more impacted than revenue this year. Can you talk about the incremental, decremental margin there? And given a scenario of 10% revenue declines this year, what would the profitability range be?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes, Jon. So I'll start that although we're getting some feedback. Jon, let me go back to your question. So obviously, we don't and I would be surprised if many companies have a really good view of exactly how COVID-19 will fill out for the rest of the year or exactly how long it will take. The scenarios that – again, we and others are running are, are our best guess. And when we put out the 10% number there, that again is our best judgment right now based on different modeling, which could certainly be higher or lower than that. The reason we put out the 10% was not only to share with you kind of some of our modeling, but also give you directionally that we're a company that is affected by COVID-19, but not a company that we expect to be as dramatically affected by it as others on the revenue side. When we look on the profit side, again, I believe that we will be affected, but not as affected as some others. The list of things we have done to ameliorate the profit issues, I think are extensive and I think we are ahead of the curve in the way we are approaching this. That said, there's just a bunch of unknowns on our technology revenue for instance, which tends to be a higher margin and higher cash flow for us. We did very well in the quarter. We exceeded what we expected to do in the quarter. Those contracts could get delayed as we looked at the rest of the quarter, especially those where clients are looking at usage. So we clearly just simply don't know exactly the effect on profitability. Some of the things we know now, so it's one thing to put everyone on work-from-home. And we have done that with over 95% of our people are operating effectively. But there are things to do that require being at customer sites, especially as our model involves getting more and more efficient and effective on some client activities. So not all of that is going to be able to be done right now or at least not as well as it could be if we were actually onsite. So at the end of the day, we think that the profit will be somewhat disproportionately lower than revenue, especially as we have fixed costs that don't immediately go away when revenue does. But we kind of put that out to show. We think other things being equal, this is a company with very strong liquidity right now, very strong cash position. And I think we have a pretty good plan. With that, I'll defer it to Mike.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. Jon, maybe I'll just add a point or two to that. I think Peter covered it well, but the other thing that we were very focused on doing was maintaining our staff, right. So we had indicated in our prepared remarks that our goal here is to come out of the COVID stronger than we went into COVID, right. And certainly removing your staff because of a temporary decline in revenue, it's not a great way to do that. So we've actually taken a position where we're doing a little retooling, retraining, making sure that we've got folks lined up so that we are prepared to serve our clients even better as we come out of this crisis. And so for that reason, as Peter alluded to, the fixed cost model of that associate base. Or even though that in some cases, it's variable, you mentioned furloughs and some other things where we've tweaked what we can, but we're really trying to hold the masses, not to mention we see this as an opportunity. You've got many other folks in our space that are letting a lot of people go. Well, if there are resources out there that are in the right skillset, well, we're looking at an opportunity to get some of those resources on board. So again, post the crisis that that will be stronger than we were going into it. So those are a couple of reasons why I think that the profitability will be impacted in a greater manner than topline.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you. And then 80% to 85% of your revenue is recurring. What percentage of that would you say is maybe essential business tied to things that actually helped your clients to run their businesses? What could be renegotiated or cut, if they had to, if they were in a solvency situation? And then I think you mentioned a couple of times now that you have volume-based contracts, I'm just wondering what percentage of revenue is tied to those?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Sure. Well, I'll pick up on the recurring theme, Jon. So as we talk about many times, really, it's over 80% of it's recurring. I would say for the most part, our recurring revenue are not discretionary type things, right. Whether that's our global workspace solutions, et cetera, that's not our project-based work. So they're not really in positions to be renegotiated. And frankly, we've not really had any clients come to us in renegotiation of a contract throughout this crisis. We've certainly talked to select clients around perhaps deferral of payments and things like that, but not in negotiation or renegotiation even in a crisis situation. As Peter mentioned in some of his remarks, we don't have any clients that make up greater than 5% of our revenue base. So our diversity as far as client diversity is concerned, helps us in that respect as well. As far as the volume-based contracts, largely those are tied to our BPO business, which you can see is, is a relatively smaller piece of the overall pie. So in general, I think, again, with our remarks that we've made earlier and that we've made historically, the fact that we've got diversity in the clients that we serve, diversity in the sectors that we serve, diversity in the geographies that we perform our business in, our ability to shift workloads, et cetera. We've been able to service our client base without interruption. And I think in general, we've gotten really high marks from our client base in support of their businesses.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Okay, great. And finally, just on the pension. That was great to hear that the deficit actually was improving. If you could – could you talk about [indiscernible] in Washington, and what was currently being discussed? And how that might benefit you if something does get passed?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Sure. So maybe I'll touch on two points. The first just being the waiver process that we've talked about in the past. We withdrew that waiver as you would suspect that we would based on the voluntary contributions that we've made. We've already essentially prepaid 2020 and 2021. So the waiver for 2020 was not required any longer. Two, what you’re referring to is some legislation that is currently being discussed as part of one of the stimulus packages. Essentially, the two things that they're talking about is expansion of the interest rate corridor and also deferring or amortizing payments for cash contributions over a 15-year period. The current program is over a seven-year period. So essentially what that would do and those are both put in place to ultimately give companies the ability to infuse cash into their businesses today and it's more a permanent fix as opposed to some of the temporary solutions that they've already put in place with some of the other stimulus packages. So essentially, Jon, it would take away our pension contributions for probably the next six years, and post that, I don't think we have a year that exceeds something like, certainly under $50 million in any given year throughout the duration. So it really streamlines and spread those contributions out over a much longer period, frankly, which is a lot more indicative to when those actual obligations come due. So from our perspective, it would be viewed positively and would really allow us to stretch our cash contributions over a much longer period of time.

Jonathan Tanwanteng

Analyst

Great. Thanks for…

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Rod Bourgeois with DeepDive. Please go ahead.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Hey guys. Hey, I want to ask a kind of a bigger picture question, kind of looking down the road after the coronavirus crisis subsides. I'd love to get your take on whether you see trends happening during the crisis that would put you in a position to have better market share on the other side of the crisis. So are there trends happening or investments that you're making or developments in your client base that would allow you to essentially gain wallet share at some of your key clients?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

So Rod, thanks for the question. I think it's a great question, and it is one we're spending a lot of time on. So we are trying to optimize for the current situation, but very much looking forward and looking ahead to what that new normal looks like and how we are a stronger company when we get there. When we think about the things we are doing right now, they fall into two categories. One, I would say is the shoemaker not having a whole lot of shoes. So putting in a new ERP program, putting in a new manage – new workforce management program, changing our sales and marketing platform are all things that we would have done subsequent to the sale of the Federal team. Now that we have more financial flexibility to do it, but it's even more important that we do it right now because under this period of time, we can really kind of make sure that we nail our processes and that we are ready to compete really with anyone as we come out of it in terms of not getting in our own way. This is a company that has always had a lot of potential, but sometimes we get in our own way. And we will be out of that phase by the time COVID-19 is over. With respect to solutions for our clients. We have been focusing for a little bit several years now on developing next generation solutions across our key areas of focus, and we now have that. So when we talk about global workforce and InteliServe, our ability to not only provide these services on a client site, but to do this remotely when we talk about adding Stealth into the mix, which of course, isn't an…

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

So an extension of the question, so I think we all see the work-from-home trend. We see enterprises needing to modify their infrastructure to enable that at a much greater scale. You have a huge history in the workplace solutions business, so it's natural that you have an opportunity there. So let's say, you add a client, they bring you in further into the workplace to upgrade, be ready for work-from-home. What's the most natural thing now that you're in that position, what's the most natural thing to cross-sell to add scope to that relationship beyond the workplace arena?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Well, so we're already about – as I said about a third of our revenue today is around that digital workspace model. If you look at the kind of revenue we have outside of that, also about a third of our revenue is what I would call subject to CloudForte solutioning, right. So whether that is a cloud infrastructure, whether that is on-premise infrastructure going to the cloud, whether that is applications work about optimizing programs for the cloud. So it’s another third of our revenue that fits into another strong suit of ours, which is our CloudForte solutions. And what I would say, Rod, to answer your question specifically, if we are already working with a client on a global workspace that it is right next door to say, okay, well, so we're managing all of these operations for you remotely. We need to optimize them onto the cloud environment because that's going to give you more security and we need to be able to move it in between cloud environments as the pricing of those cloud environments becomes more competitive, which it is doing. So I would say, it's a short burst from our InteliServe offering to our CloudForte offering, and then Stealth actually underlies both of them.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Understood. And then one final question, in Q1, clearly your operating margin in services in particular was impacted by the loss of some demand due to COVID. Can you quantify in the first quarter what the margin hit was from the kind of evaporation in some of the volumes that happened on the demand side?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Hey Rod, it's Mike. Yes, look, I don't know that we've got a specific data point there. As you can imagine, it's very difficult to know how much of the volume decline is specific to one thing or another or specific to you not being in the location or are not in the location. So I don't think it'd be as precise as we would like it to be at this point in time. But I guess from our perspective, we were a lot more concerned around ensuring that our clients had no disruptions that we're able to support our client base in everything that they were doing to get themselves ready for COVID and to not have crucial systems go down. As you know, we support many different industries, pharma, healthcare, transportation, you name it, right, public sector, government. So we were a lot more focused in ensuring the delivery of that work then trying to pinpoint this percentage point related to COVID versus something else.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Got it. So just to clarify on that though, so some of the margin hit from COVID was more than just the revenue flow through hurt you. It was also that you had to incur some costs to sort of adjust your operating margin to take care of clients. So it was in some ways there were some lumpy costs that needed to be incurred to convert your operating model.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Sure. Look, I think I would look at it threefold. You have the straight revenue pass-through as you just alluded to. You have the lumpiness for what you have to kind of set up your own infrastructure for costs that are one-time to have our people working remote. And then you also have the inability to get into highly complex situations to remediate things, right, because you can't be on site. So there's some delay there and some duplicative costs in regards to that as well. But again, first and foremost, it was around seamless delivery, building goodwill and making sure our clients were operational.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Got it. Thank you, guys.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

And Rod, this is Peter. Just coming full circle to your first question about looking out. If we look at the industry trends and we look at how we are set up as a company and you say, okay, so what part of the industry is going to be slightly deemphasized and what part is going to be emphasized as a COVID-19 result? I would say that the piece we would expect to get deemphasized somewhat is going to be our field services piece. There won't be as much of that, although we are evolving field services to include more IoT, which actually may make up some of that. But putting that aside, field services probably is under more pressure going forward. What replaces that is more security work as you're doing more things remotely, more remote service or service desk. All of the things that we are good at from a work-from-home standpoint. And I would say when you look at the margin shift between field services margins and security margins and service desk margins and remote support margins, you're going from low margin work to significantly higher margin work. So I do think that will endure to our benefit over time.

Rod Bourgeois

Analyst

Definitely a bit of a buzzing in the sky’s because the growth is moving to the digital side of the workplace market. So interesting. Thank you, guys. Helpful color.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks Rod.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Joseph Vafi with Loop Capital. Please go ahead.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

Hey guys. It's Joe Vafi over at Canaccord. Just number one, thanks for your candid remarks here on the business both positive and negative in this tough time. I thought maybe we'd start with a positive on maybe just a couple more minutes on the Stealth-driven AOA business or this Always-On business and how it – it stacks up against VPN. I mean, I'm not a time equipment analyst, but it sounds pretty intriguing here on what it could mean moving forward.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes. So our Stealth – the Always-On Access powered by Stealth is a variation of Stealth, and it is Stealth that specifically is targeted at a work-from-home environment. So VPNs have different levels of maturity, but if you think of a typical VPN, it's a pipe that allows you to access home base remotely. It was initially – VPNs were initially set up, Joe and to help a laptop that is on the road somewhere and they were not set up for the volume that they're seeing now. Usually it was set up to carry about 20% of a client’s network. Now we're talking about 80%. And when you open up a VPN pipe, the problem is what opening it up at a network in somebody's house is you're opening it up to everything else on neighbor network, which is old equipment that is also on the network that is not as modern as the laptop. It could be gaming consoles, it could be all sorts of stuff. So our system, which is software-as-a-service system and is the next generation system uses Stealth to identify that specific piece of equipment and the specific identity of the user of that piece of equipment, so it doesn't extend into the rest of the home network environment. It also enables the coking technology that Stealth has. And finally, it allows for dynamic isolation, which means if there is a laptop or if there is a server or if there is an IP address that is from a bad hacker, whether it's somebody doing this from home or somebody doing it from somebody infiltrating the network, it doesn't matter whether you're inside or outside the firewall. As soon as that is detected, we close it down and we can close it down within 15 to 20 seconds. And so that allows us to isolate the bad hackers and not shutdown the rest of the network, which is really critical when you look at some of the cybersecurity events that have gone on in the last two years. So we're very excited about Always-On Access. And I will tell you the level of interest we have is extraordinary. I'll just leave it at that.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

That's pretty exciting Peter. Just if you could remind us now that the SAIC deal is closed, I know you mentioned this new logo deal with commercial defense contractor that did not transfer over. I assume you have a licensed deal with SAIC at this point on Stealth as they potentially resell that into the government. How is that working?

Peter Altabef

Analyst

We do. So two separate points. So we're not out of the public business. So as you heard me talk earlier, Joe, 33% of our revenue is public post the sale of Federal. The vast majority of that is U.S. state and local business and it is a business overseas with foreign governance. In addition, one of the things that continues as we become a supplier of our software to SAIC for it to use in the government. Some of that software is ClearPath Forward, U.S. government clients use ClearPath Forward. We make that available to SAIC through a license arrangement and they use it for their clients. Stealth is exactly the same. So we provide Stealth to SAIC and it uses Stealth for its clients. Now, unlike ClearPath Forward, which was a pretty mature offering as far as the Federal government is concerned. Stealth is still a newer offering that is expanding with clients. And so one of the sales that generated technology revenue for us in the first quarter was in fact a sale of Stealth to a U.S. government client post the sale of our U.S. Federal business. So that was SAIC getting that contract and then us providing Stealth behind that. SAIC is a $7 billion organization. Our U.S. Federal team was about $700 million. We actually expect that pipeline to be increasing and the license revenues to be increasing. We won't get all the service revenues, although we'll get some of that, but the higher margin license revenue we will get all of that.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

Great. That's encouraging. And then, I guess, if you look at that technology segment, it's always been historically a business that's focused on the kind of a renewal business and that’s strategic and you got to keep the lights on with those clients too. Do you see this really being anything as an impediment here where people wouldn't renew it? It doesn't feel like that to me, I was just – I thought I'd get your opinion on that.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Yes. It doesn't feel that way to us either. The organizations that are using that technology are number one, extremely fortunate in the fact that it is so secure and so that is a real – an addition to its ability to process quickly and high volume at relatively low cost. It's extremely secure environment. And so I would – given the level of cyber attacks that has gone up post COVID-19, especially against financial institutions, healthcare institutions, government institutions, having that secure platform is more important than ever. We don't get indications that it is anything that would affect the ongoing interest. And obviously, we're investing in that to your point. So we now have ClearPath Forward operating in the cloud. We have an operating in the public cloud. So we're really making advances in bringing that to a place where anybody who has an interest in that platform has no interest in leaving that platform. And of course, technology revenue for us is more than ClearPath Forward to also include Stealth license revenue and industry application products license revenue and we consider those to all be areas of growth.

Michael Thomson

Analyst

And Joe, just one thing I'd add to that as well if I could, so in the introduction to Unisys, we have a couple slides in there and we have Vishal Gupta, who leads our technology practice there. Actually gives some real insight there about different applications now for writing open code on top of that, the support from a services perspective, Peter alluded to the cloud computing. So that application is completely hardware agnostic at this stage and basically software deployed. So we think there's some real advantages. And even tying back to Rod's question, all of these solutions kind of play together, and play very nicely together, and obviously all embedded from a security perspective.

Joseph Vafi

Analyst

Sure. I mean that's all encouraging and I think the roadmap that you guys have done there is right on the mark, and I know you’re saying earlier, I think, Peter, that you – perhaps you – you said that perhaps you don't want to say that you're fortunate, but there is an old proverb about there that luck favors the prepared mind. So it's good to be prepared to set yourself up for luck.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Well, thank you, Joe. We are prepared and so I'll take that as an axiom. It works for us.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Ishfaque Faruk with Sidoti & Company. Please go ahead.

Ishfaque Faruk

Analyst

Hi guys. Good afternoon, guys. Just a couple of questions. Most of my questions have been addressed already, actually. On your tech revenue side, Mike, you mentioned that some of your revenues from the SAIC deal, there's still some TSAs out there. This quarter it was pretty high, can you give me a sense for what percentage was from that SAIC deal if any or was it ClearPath Forward?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes. Hi Ishfaque. So what I would say to you is the opening remarks were really around the renewal schedule and we had a couple contracts renew a little earlier than we had anticipated, but we also had some volume increases. They were from the SAIC venture and they were ClearPath Forward based. So it was a legacy client that went over with the sale. And obviously a good in the concept of working relations with SAIC, very good. The transition has been very smooth. I think both parties are extremely happy with how that is going. And already in the quarter, we've consummated a deal with one of our legacy clients that were ultimately sold as part of that business. And not only did we get the revenue flow through for that, we ended up getting additional revenues associated with that from a volume base. So, so far, so good, off to a really good start in that space. And as Peter alluded to earlier, they are roughly 7x or 10x bigger than we were in that space. So we were really looking forward to that relationship and hopefully between Stealth and ClearPath and the services that sit on top of ClearPath Forward that will continue to see that increase in our technology revenue base.

Operator

Operator

The next question will come from Edward Mally with Imperial Capital. Please go ahead.

Edward Mally

Analyst

Yes. Hi. Thank you. Just to go back to some of the comments that you had made on the pension deficit during your prepared remarks, just want to make sure I heard some of the figures you had presented correctly. You talked about a $130 million reduction on a pro forma basis, is that versus the number you reported at the end of the first quarter or would that have been relative to year-end 2019?

Michael Thomson

Analyst

Yes, so that was $130 million reduction in deficits and that would have been pro forma and against 2019 ending position, that would have included not only the contributions that we did make in the quarter, but also the pro forma contributions that we're anticipating making through the remainder of 2020, as well as all of the impact of the activities during the quarter. So movements in interest rates and what has gone on in equities, et cetera. So really just trying to give you a pro forma sense of what it would have looked like. Now I'll couple all of that with – you don't do an actuarial valuation during the year. It's only done at the end of the year. So I would caution it to just be from a directional perspective to give you some additional color as to what it would look like. But those things are only done at the 12/31 ending position.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. This will conclude today's question-and-answer session and I would like to hand it over to management for any closing remarks.

Peter Altabef

Analyst

Thanks very much. This is Peter again. I really do appreciate everyone joining the call. I know we started a few minutes later, and I apologize for that technical glitch. We are very much open for business as a Company and as an Investor Relations team. So Courtney, Melissa, Mike, myself are really all at your service. We continue to put more information on our Investor Relations website, such as the introduction to Unisys, which is much more than an introduction. And again, I recommend it to you, and we welcome questions and comments from you on an ongoing basis. So thank you very much for participating in the call and we look forward to the next one.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now concluded. You may now disconnect.