Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Twin Disc Fiscal Second Quarter 2020 Financial Results Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Stan Berger. Please go ahead, sir.
Twin Disc, Incorporated (TWIN)
Q2 2020 Earnings Call· Fri, Jan 31, 2020
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Operator
Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Twin Disc Fiscal Second Quarter 2020 Financial Results Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Stan Berger. Please go ahead, sir.
Stan Berger
Management
Thank you, Christine. On behalf of the management of Twin Disc, we are extremely pleased that you have taken the time to participate in our call. And thank you for joining us to discuss the company's fiscal 2020 second quarter and six-month financial results and business outlook. Before I introduce management, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made during this conference call, especially those that state management's intentions, hopes, beliefs, expectations or predictions for the future are forward-looking statements. It is important to remember that the company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in such forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are contained in the company's annual report on Form 10-K copies of which maybe obtained by contacting either the company or the SEC. By now you should have received a copy of the news release which was issued this morning before the market opened. If you have not received a copy, please call Annette Mianecki at 262-638-4000 and she will send a copy to you. Hosting the call today are John Batten, Twin Disc Chief Executive Officer; and Jeff Knutson, the company's Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer, Treasurer and Secretary. At this time, I will turn the call over to John. John?
John Batten
Management
Thank you, Stan, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our fiscal 2020 second quarter conference call. As usual, we will begin with a short summary statement and then Jeff and I will be happy to take your questions. Before Jeff goes over the quarter results, I'll touch on some of the operational highlights from the quarter. As we mentioned in prior calls, we've been addressing cost issues on some of our marine and transmission models due to four supplier changes during the oil and gas run-up in fiscal 2018 and 2019. In order to meet demand on other products, we had to move supply to other vendors and not always at a lower cost. We made significant progress in the quarter and bring out many new parts from new suppliers and actually had a few go into production. To date, we have identified over $1 million in savings for fiscal 2020 spread out just over three models, and we expect to continue to add to this as more components are approved. Assuming a static mix and volume going forward an example, we expect margins to continue to improve over the next four to eight quarters, as we bring many new supply sources online. We've also begun to work with a key outside partner to help us identify and to validate more suppliers in the Asia region. In the quarter, we also offered an early retirement package to our employees and our domestic operations, and we've reduced our domestic headcount by about 10% for about another $1.8 million savings in the second half of the year. As demand in our market improved, some of this lost capacity will be added to our Lufkin facility as it comes online this summer. We continue to address other cost drivers on a global basis,…
Jeff Knutson
Management
Thanks, John and good morning, everyone. I'll briefly run through the fiscal 2020 second quarter numbers. Sales of $59.5 million for the quarter were flat with the previous quarter and down $18.6 million or just under 24% from the prior year second quarter. The quarter decline is primarily the result of a significant reduction in new build and aftermarket activity in the North American fracking market along with the softening in the global marine and industrial markets. The oil and gas decline accounted for $16.5 million in the second quarter reduction in sales and is the continuation of the slowdown we saw in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019. Through the first half, sales are now down $34 million or 22.2% compared to the prior year with foreign currency exchange contributing $2.6 million to that decrease. Second quarter margin percent was 26.4% compared to 33.4% in the prior year second quarter. Our gross margin performance for the quarter was again severely impacted by a continuation of the unfavorable product mix which began in the fiscal 2019 fourth quarter with lower fracking demand for new rig construction introduced aftermarket demand being the primary drivers. Gross profit percent for the second quarter has improved over the first quarter of 16.3% in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019, which was 22.7%. This improving trend is a result of targeted cost reduction actions on key products and overall focus on cost containment and production efficiency. As we discussed in the year-end 2019 earnings call, we anticipated a continuation of this difficult sales mix and have been focusing on cost reduction and pricing actions to drive margin improvement. We expect to see a continuation of this positive trend through fiscal 2020. Spending on marketing, engineering and administrative costs for fiscal 2020, second quarter decreased $2.5…
John Batten
Management
Sure. Thanks, Jeff. I'll now spend a quick moment on the outlook. The second half of fiscal 2020 still faces some of the same domestic oil and gas challenges of the first half. We are seeing aftermarket signals of life across a broad range of markets including oil and gas. We are seeing increased rebuild activity and hope that this continues throughout the remainder of the fiscal year. A disappointment in the second quarter was the rapid drop in industrial demand speaking with suppliers this happened across the market, early starts in January are positive backed up by increased aftermarket orders. We have the backlog to make our third quarter a better quarter in terms of revenue and margins and provided the recent coronavirus outbreak doesn't dramatically affect our customers in Asia fourth quarter should also see that improvement trend continue. We don't see any domestic new unit demand in oil and gas until this summer. That concludes my prepared remarks. And now Jeff and I will be happy to take your questions. Christina, could you please open the line for questions?
Operator
Operator
Yes. Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer.
Noah Kaye
Analyst
Thanks, and good morning. So stripping out year-over-year restructuring, it looks like EBITDA decrementals got back to what we consider normal levels and you improved the gross margin. Sequentially clearly, you mentioned some of the actions to take out costs. I'm just trying to understand how your further cost reduction efforts vis-à-vis your commentary around potential improvement in the back half in activity? Which levers are you going to continue pressing on? Are any cost likely to come back the improvement that you foresee in some markets? Just kind of help us get through, how you're kind of balancing those factors that you mentioned for the rest of this...?
John Batten
Management
Sure. So Noah, its John. We've got two parts -- well three parts. We're going to continue the material variable cost coming in finding new suppliers. Second one is operational improvements in our domestic operations getting industrial out and down to Texas, reorganizing the plant here, being more efficient with our processes. But then there's still a component outside of North America that I would say is fixed cost rationalization and we're actively working on all three of those.
Noah Kaye
Analyst
Okay. That's helpful. And then to be clear, you said it at the end of your prepared remarks, you're not expecting North America oil and gas transmission certainly not the OE market to come back any time soon, correct?
John Batten
Management
I think we could see some orders in this fiscal year, but my gut tells me there won't be any shipments this fiscal year -- there won't be any significant shipments this fiscal year. But they're putting it into use.
Noah Kaye
Analyst
Okay. Right. If I could ask on the termination of that marine propulsion program, can you just give us essentially a little bit of color on that? Was that a legacy Twin program? Was that a Veth program? How to understand that it was…
John Batten
Management
It was -- sure.
Noah Kaye
Analyst
…component of that?
John Batten
Management
Sure. That's a -- yeah, it's John again. It's a program that we announced close to eight years ago maybe more with an engine OEM here in North America. And their strategy has changed and still the program was canceled. We never got into production. So part of the charge is if there's a continuation where we continue on a lot of this -- it has to -- it will have to have our name on it. So there's a pause here and a lot of the charges reflect it. We can't continue on with another name on it. So it's not the end of the story Noah. I hope I have certainly, there's a chance that there's a release before the third quarter conference call, but certainly by the third quarter conference call I hope to have the rest of the story here for you.
Noah Kaye
Analyst
I’ll check that. I’ll jump back in the queue.
John Batten
Management
Okay.
Operator
Operator
We'll take our next question from Tim Wojs with Baird.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Hey, good morning guys. Close enough.
John Batten
Management
Hi, Tim.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Maybe just to in the back half as you're thinking about just some of the Asian orders that you've got, and maybe some of the improvements you've seen in marine, how big of a revenue ramp? Can you -- do you think we can see in the back half of the year if we maybe use this kind of like $59 million to $60 million run rate in the first half as a base?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yeah. Yeah, it's Jeff. John and I just side-barred. We're thinking 10% to 15% is what is anticipated.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
From the first half?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yeah.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. Okay. Got you. Okay. And then what was the -- how big was the -- I think in the press release you had mentioned some production delays that impacts the shipments how big was that? Is that material?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yeah. So the way we quantify that it's about $6 million that could have gone out had we been able to get the materials that we needed to do the assembly and enable to ramp up our assembly to where we expect we should be. So it's about $6 million impact in the quarter.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. And that would be kind of included in the -- so that would really shift you think in the third quarter?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yeah.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. Got you. Okay. And then I guess just on some of the restructuring and the voluntary retirement comments that you made John. Is there going to be some shifting in the workforce structurally from Racine down to Texas? Because I guess from what we've kind of seen over the last couple of years, it's been hard for you to find people in Racine. And so I'm just kind of curious to kind of the -- maybe some color on the background of just the voluntary retirement?
John Batten
Management
Yeah. It's -- I mean, the timing is right on two fronts. We had excess capacity in terms of people in Racine who are near retirement at retirement age and we have a plant coming online down in Texas. So you're absolutely right. We take the early retirement. We've got a lot of people a lot of knowledge leaving. And we can handle the production that we have right here. But as we -- as Lufkin comes online, you're absolutely right, the hiring and replacing of those bodies a lot of that's going to happen in Texas.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay.
John Batten
Management
Again, we're very optimistic. And one of the reasons we chose Lufkin was specifically because of their labor pools down there.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay.
John Batten
Management
And the quality of employees that we've been able to find down there.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. Okay. And then, Jeff, what type of gross margin level do you think we can kind of exit the year at? And then as you look at 2021, as Lufkin comes up. Is there any sort of underabsorption or anything like that that we should be aware of?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes. So, I think, we've been targeting and I think we said last quarter as well, to get to the high 20s as we exit the year, assuming no significant change in mix. Any change in mix would probably be a good guide. And I think, we will -- as we wind down maybe some activities that are being moved to Lufkin and ramp up Lufkin, I think, we might have some slippage in absorption in the first quarter.
John Batten
Management
We're just going to have increase expense in moving -- but I think it will improve. Yes. Well, it will definitely take a little bit of -- it will be a drag for the first few quarters, because we can't just -- in Q1 of whenever -- in the first quarter, we won't be shipping 100%. We'll be bringing it up slowly. We want to do it right.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. Okay. That makes sense. And then, I guess, just from an SG&A perspective, if you're kind of at this level of revenue, do you expect kind of the $16 million $17 million kind of level for SG&A to be pretty consistent or sustainable?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes, I think, so. I mean, within that range, plus or minus a couple of percent? Yes.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. All right. And then last one, do you think just with inventory, you'll be able to generate positive free cash flow for the rest of the year?
John Batten
Management
So I'm glad you asked that, Tim, because I was going to interject that just on there. I was like I'm going to make you ask the question. I'm glad you asked that. Despite like -- the jump was a bit of a shock for me. And again, I didn't foresee the negative inventory reversal from the marine propulsion program. But inventories at our factory, primarily here in Racine, actually went down in the quarter. We had a lot of stuff shipped from factories in December that did not make the quarter cutoff. So they're either in transit or they got to our distributors, our company-owned distributors and we don't -- and they haven't gotten to the customer yet. So, I think, the trend that you will see during the remainder of the second half of the year will be an improving trend.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. I mean, it sounds like --
John Batten
Management
First, in this factory. Yes. We had to see it go down at the factory and it's getting to the customer.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Right. I mean, it kind of marries with what you're seeing on some of the production delays, that $6 million you called out, that's probably in transit and that's probably pretty decent inventory that's going to push out. So --
John Batten
Management
There's a big chunk of it in transit right now.
Tim Wojs
Analyst · Baird.
Okay. Okay. Great. Appreciate the time. Good luck on the rest of the year, guys. Thanks.
John Batten
Management
Thanks, Tim.
Operator
Operator
And we'll go to our next question from Rand Gesing with Neuberger Berman.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Hey, guys.
John Batten
Management
Hi, Rand.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
On that last question, could you be a little bit more specific? I mean, can we generate $10 million in operating cash flow for the second half? Given your rising gross margins and inventory coming out? I mean, I was supposed to see some push?
John Batten
Management
Yes. $10 million might be on the high side. I think – yes, I think, operating cash, we should definitely be positive in the second half. Free cash, I'd like to say we will be positive in the second half. We do have CapEx, which, we're about, call it, halfway through what we thought we would spend. So, I think, in that $7 million to $9 million of operating cash and maybe 1% to 3% in free cash in the second half, is what I think we might expect.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Okay. And on the Veth side, I know, it's impressive to acquire the company, but can you give us a sense for the revenues there at this time?
John Batten
Management
Rand, you cut out a little bit on the first part of the question.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Yes. On the acquisition Veth, on the new acquisition, the relatively new.
John Batten
Management
Yes.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
What are the revenues? And I'm assuming it's sort of a mid-single digit grower?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes. That's -- the revenues through the first half were around $23 million, $24 million. I would say their first half; they're very project-oriented so their shipments come in big chunks. First half was kind of flat compared to the previous year. I think what we have a lot of optimism around is the activity -- order activity in particular in North America that we're seeing right now driving growth in the -- as we get into fiscal 2021.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Okay. So, obviously, we've had a bit of a weakness sort of broaden out throughout the whole revenue base I think. Is that sort of the case that 80% of your end markets are weak or just to characterize that for me?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes, I think so. I think there are no end markets right now that are growing beyond 1% or 2%. And there's weakness I would say across most of them. So, yes, there are a few bright spots. Stable is about as good as it gets right now.
John Batten
Management
So, I would say that the--
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Guys can you hear me?
John Batten
Management
Yes. Rand I would add those that this. Okay, with Veth though, we are taking -- we are gaining market share in Asia and North America even in a down market. So, I would expect our growth rate to Veth in -- at Veth to continue to outperform the market growth rate.
Rand Gesing
Analyst · Neuberger Berman.
Okay, great. Looking forward to some better results on -- in the second half and a brighter 2021. Thanks.
John Batten
Management
Thanks Rand. So are we. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our next question from Simon Wong with G.research.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Can you quantify how big your energy business is this quarter?
Jeff Knutson
Management
A good question. We kind of -- we know specifically like the units that shipped energy wise the aftermarket is a little bit more of a guess. So, I would say it's in the $5 million to $6 million around $5 million. It would be my best guess when you combine forward and aftermarket.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. So, there is some new builds in there. So, I mean--
Jeff Knutson
Management
In Asia.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay.
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes, I would guess, yes, you have that most -- I would say Simon 90 -- well, in the second quarter 100% of the new units went to China.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. Okay, great. And I mean I'm just trying to understand how big is the aftermarket business? That's what I was trying to get back at. Yes. Because I -- aftermarket for the energy business.
Jeff Knutson
Management
This quarter -- I would say this quarter it was roughly half.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. Okay. And then you also have some energy business going to the offshore. Been hearing that offshore been picking up for a few quarters now. Are you seeing that in your order rate incoming orders a pickup in offshore?
Jeff Knutson
Management
We're just starting to see some project quote activity. And -- well fortunately, all of that's being handled by inventory at our -- existing inventory at our distributors. So, first thing we have to do for us is, get inventory that's sitting out into the market and then we'll get replacement orders. So, yes, I would say there's been some signs -- some small signs of life in that market.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. That's encouraging. If I were to look back five or six years ago how big was these offshore initiatives for you?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Five or six in '20. So you're going back to almost our peak. That probably would have been 20 -- I will double check it, but I want to mention $20 million.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. All right. Great. And then -- yes? And then on the covenant side, you mentioned that you've just gotten an amendment that goes to four times leverage. How long is that amendment good for? And what does it go back after the amendment?
Jeff Knutson
Management
Yes. So, there's an 8-K that will be filed. You can see the details. But essentially we've got a 4:1 for the quarter that just ended, goes up to 5:1 in the next quarter and then it starts backing down over the next two quarters and we get back to the 3:1 in the second quarter of fiscal '21 or the fourth quarter of calendar '20. So, it's a really three, four quarters of relief.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. All right. Great. That's all the questions I had.
Jeff Knutson
Management
I guess the other -- Simon the other component that maybe is important is we -- it also includes the add-back of the $3.9 million charge in Q1. Remember the product performance charge gets added back to EBITDA kind of treating that potentially as a restructuring type of charge.
Simon Wong
Analyst · G.research.
Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
It appears there are no further questions at this time. Mr. Batten, I'll turn the call back to you for any additional or closing remarks.
John Batten
Management
All right. Thank you, Christina. Thank you for joining our conference call today. We appreciate your continuing interest in Twin Disc and hope that we've answered all of your questions. If not, please feel free to call Jeff or myself. And we look forward to speaking to -- with you again following the close of our fiscal 2020 third quarter. Christina, now I'll turn the call back to you.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.