Good morning and welcome to Sixth Street Specialty Lending Inc.'s Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year ended December 31, 2023 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Friday February 16, 2024. I will now turn the call over to Ms. Cami VanHorn, Head of Investor Relations.

Thank you. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind our listeners that remarks made during the call may contain forward-looking statements. Statements other than statements of historical facts made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements, and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time-to-time in Sixth Street Specialty Lending Inc.'s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Yesterday, after the market closed we issued our earnings press release for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2023 and posted a presentation to the Investor Resources section of our website www.sixthstreetspecialtylending.com. The presentation should be reviewed in conjunction with our Form 10-K filed yesterday with the SEC. Sixth Street Specialty Lending Inc.'s earnings release is also available on our website under the Investor Resources section. Unless noted otherwise all performance figures mentioned in today's prepared remarks are as of and for the third quarter ended December 31, 2023. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I will now turn the call over to Joshua Easterly, Chief Executive Officer of Sixth Street Specialty Lending Inc.

Thank you, Cami. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. With us today is our President, Bo Stanley; and our CFO, Ian Simmonds. For our call today, I will review our full-year and fourth quarter highlights and pass it over to Bo to discuss activity in the portfolio. Ian will review our financial performance in more detail and I will conclude with final remarks before opening up the call to Q&A. After the market closed yesterday, we reported fourth quarter adjusted net investment income of $0.62 per share or an annualized return in equity of 14.5% and adjusted net income of $0.58 per share or an annualized return on equity of 13.6%. As presented in our financial statements, our Q4 net investment income and net income per share, inclusive of the unwind of the non-cash accrued capital gain instead of fee expense, were less than a penny per share higher. The difference between this quarter's net investment income and net income per share was primarily driven by the reversal of prior period unrealized gains related to investment realizations. Other drivers included unrealized losses from portfolio company specific events, which were largely offset by realized and unrealized gains, largely from the impact of tightening credit spreads on the valuation of our investments. For the full-year 2023, we generated adjusted net investment income per share of $2.36, representing a return on equity of 14.4% and a full-year adjusted net income per share of $2.66, or return on equity of 16.2%. Longtime followers of our business will know that we measure success based on returns. And 2023 was a strong year for shareholder returns, excluding the post-COVID year rebound in 2021, full-year return on equity adjusted ingested net income of 16.2% reflects the highest calendar annual return on equity since our…

Thanks, Josh. I'd like to start by laying on some additional thoughts on the direct lending environment and more specifically how it relates to the positioning of our portfolio and the way we're thinking about current opportunities in the market. 2023 was another productive year for private credit as the asset class continued to grow in terms of both supply and demand. On the supply side, private debt fundraising continued to outpace most private asset classes and investors allocate more capital to the sector. As for demand, the number of LBOs financed in the private credit market was more than 6 times the number of financed in the broadly syndicated market in 2023, highlighting a clear preference for the private credit product. While private credit market share was up significantly in 2023, we expect to see more balance in 2024 as the syndicated market becomes more active again. In terms of activity levels, transaction volumes are meaningfully lower in 2023. For context, total U.S. LBO transaction volume reached its lowest level in over 10-years and was down 37% from the trailing 10-year average. Despite a general slowdown in M&A transactions, we benefited from the large market share shift from the broadly syndicated to the private credit market. As the BSL market regains share in the future, we feel confident in our ability to find deployment opportunities driven by the all cycle business model that we have created. This means that even when transaction volumes are lower or market share shifts, we remain active through our omnichannel sourcing approach that is not layered solely to M&A, sponsor activity, or specific sectors. Further, we are not reliant upon certain credit market conditions to prudently put capital to work, while remaining highly selective. In Q4, we provided total commitments of $360 million and…

Thank you, Bo. We finished the year with a strong quarter from an earnings and investment activity perspective. In Q4, we generated net investment income per share of $0.62 resulting in full-year net investment income per share of $2.31. Our Q4 net income per share was $0.58 resulting in full-year net income per share of $2.61. We accrued $0.05 per share of capital gains incentive fees in 2023, however none of this amount was payable at year-end. Excluding the 0$.05 per share that was accrued this year, our adjusted net investment income and adjusted net income per share for the year were $2.36 and $2.66 respectively. At year-end we had total investments of $3.3 billion, total principal debt outstanding of $1.8 billion and net assets of $1.5 billion or $17.04 per share, which is prior to the impact of the supplemental dividend that was declared yesterday. Our ending debt-to-equity ratio was 1.23 times, up from 1.15 times in the prior quarter, and our average debt-to-equity ratio also increased slightly from 1.18 times to 1.22 times quarter-over-quarter. For full-year 2023, our average debt-to-equity ratio was 1.2 times, up from 1.03 times in 2022. We operated at the upper end of our previously stated target leverage range during the year and issued equity to take advantage of an attractive investment environment despite lower portfolio churn. We have started to see repayment activity pick up in 2024, which we expect will continue. In terms of our balance sheet positioning at year-end, we had $820 million of unfunded revolver capacity against $226 million of unfunded portfolio company commitments eligible to be drawn. Our funding mix was represented by 52% unsecured debt. Post-quarter end, we further enhanced our funding mix and liquidity profile through a $350 million long five-year bond offering in early January. Adjusted…

Thank you, Ian. There's a lot to be excited about for the year ahead. As you heard from Bo and Ian, the pipeline continues to build and the balance sheet is in excellent shape. More importantly, we believe we have the right team and resources to differentiate our business to benefit shareholders going forward. Beyond the dedicated direct lending team, we leverage the knowledge and sector expertise across the Sixth Street platform, including our energy, healthcare, retail asset-based lending teams. This broad range of sector expertise not only widens the top of our origination funnel, but also allows us to provide financial solutions for more complex and unique investment opportunities. As one of a few lenders with these capabilities, we can generate alpha from these transactions. We remain focused on finding the best risk adjusted return opportunities for our stakeholders and feel that [Indiscernible] is well positioned to do so. In closing, I want to take a moment to thank each and every shareholder of our business for your continued support over the last decade. Next month marks our 10-year anniversary since our initial public offering in March 2014. Over this period, through the end of 2023, we have generated an annualized return on adjusted net income of 13.5% and a total return for shareholders of 276% on a dividend reinvested basis. We have achieved these results by protecting our stakeholders’ capital through sound capital allocation and minimizing credit losses. We are proud of the track record we've delivered over this period of time and believe we are well positioned to continue building upon what we have achieved thus far. With that, thank you for your time today. Operator, please open the line for questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Mickey Schleien from Ladenburg Thalmann.

Yes, good morning everyone. Josh, there's a lot of demand as you mentioned for private debt capital from larger borrowers. And I see that the portfolios average EBITDA has about doubled over the last couple of years. I'm assuming some of that is just organic growth of your borrowers, but some of it is probably due to going up market. And I'm curious how you're viewing the terms available in the upper middle market versus the middle market where you've had excellent results historically?

Hey, Mickey, good morning. Thank you. Look. I think what we've seen is the best risk-adjusted return and quite frankly the most activity levels, has been up market. Maybe that changes, but we have seen at least from our perspective the kind of lower middle market, middle market not as active as the big market, and our capital has been more valuable in the upper middle market given up until now the broadly syndicate loan market was shut down. My guess is that ebbs and flows over time, and with, you know, SLX, I think our shareholders get both and we can go up market and given that we have a big platform and big pools of capital, SLX shareholders can participate in the up market deals. And then given the mid-market deals where, you know, we still write $30 million to $50 million provisions are also imported to SLX. So I think we can -- we're uniquely positioned where we can toggle between markets and we can participate in both. Not many players can do that. Some are so large that they don't care about the middle market. Some are small that they don't have the balance sheet to participate in the market. But we've gone where the risk adjusted returns and activity levels have been, but my guess is that changes.

Thanks for that, Josh. That's helpful. And just one follow-up. Ian, could you repeat how much accelerated OID and prepayment fee income was accrued in the quarter?

Sure, Mickey. Accelerated OID and pre-payment, it was about $0.04 per share.

That was recognized, not accrued.

Recognized, yes.

That's actually accrued.

Okay, thank you for that. Those are all my questions.

Thanks, Mickey.

Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Brian McKenna from Citizens JMP.

Great, thanks. Good morning, everyone. So I believe last year was a record year of deployment for the broader Sixth Street platform. And Josh, I think you've said in the past you prefer investing environments where there's a lack of capital and liquidity broadly in the market. So with sentiment in the capital markets recovering here to start the year, how should we think about deployment activity throughout 2024 for the firm relative to 2023?

Yes, it’s a great question. So I think you -- on the direct lending side, no doubt last year was our largest deployment year across the Sixth Street platform and funds. I would suspect that it's saying slightly down maybe, I think activity levels, general activity levels in the environment are going to be better, but market share is going to be down. And so last year, activity levels were really, really muted. I think as Bo mentioned, it was like 25%. What was the statistic you mentioned about M&A volumes?

Yes, there was a 10-year historic low down 37%.

Well, it was close. I think that's most definitely for a variety of reasons. One, is less volatility in the interest rate curve for people, private equity dry powder, pressure on DPI for private equity responses to get money back to LPs. There's a lot of reasons why that's going to change on the activity level front. I think private credit market share will go down and I think Sixth Street’s market share in the private credit will probably stay the same and go up given our capability. So I would say probably similar, same. Last year was a really unique opportunity to deploy capital. And look, I don't know if this is clear in the transcript, but I think there's a circle for Sixth Street shareholders, which is we deploy capital well, we protect the balance sheet, stock trades above book value. Then those shareholders were actually able to participate in times like last year, because we were able to raise capital, few were able to raise capital in that environment. And 40% of the assets today are assets in the post-rate or from a post-rate hiking cycle of, you know, a more interesting vintage, to be honest. So most of that vintage were not -- did not end up in the current publicly traded BDC shareholder base. And so I'm very proud of what we've been able to do. And I'm very, you know, I'm thankful for the SLX shareholder support. And ultimately they got access to that vintage of…

Yes, got it. Super helpful. And then just to follow-up, you know, ABF is another area of focus across the broader alternatives industry. So how are you thinking about this opportunity at Sixth Street? Are you looking to expand capabilities here? Is there the potential to add some of these assets to TSLX's portfolio over time, and then could you maybe just walk through how these yields on these types of deals compare to the relative, you know, kind of regular way direct lending deals that you're doing in the course of the year?

Or maybe it's in pre-quarter, but I think we added one last quarter. So ABF is a large focus for us. We have a spectacular partner. We always had the capability in business. We had a spectacular partner named Michael Dryden, who ran that business at Credit Suisse that we hired before, the issues at Credit Suisse. And we built out a team and expertise across kind of the different idiosyncratic asset classes in the ABF. We actually closed, it's called, I think, it shows up as CLGF Holdings on the November 7 of $325 million secured term loan and -- for borrower that's basically ABF collateral, so that shows up. And those yields, I think were, give me one second, I will come back to you, but I think my guess was mid-teens. It was a mix of senior and junior capital, yes that's 15%, I would -- in my guess. So look we have those capabilities, we're excited about it, we're excited about the team at Sixth Street and I think that's part of the benefit for SLX shareholders is they get the benefit of this broad-based platform that a -- quite frankly a monoline standalone manager of a $3 billion BDC could provide shareholders.

Got it. I'll leave it there. Thank you, guys.

Thanks so much.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Finian O'Shea from Wells Fargo.

Good morning, Fin.

Hey, good morning. How are you? So first question with SSLP, the private BDC up and running now. Can you touch on the degree of overlap that they've had in origination so far? And then maybe how different the deals look like how far apart are they in, say, enterprise value. I'll leave it there.

Yes. So just for people to know, Six Street Lending Partners is a private BDC that's predominantly institutionally backed just like SLX, focus on the large cap space. And so how we define kind of, you know, soft lead duties offer is above $200 million credit facilities, SSLP has a first look below 200 SLX, given the size of the relative balance sheet. Given the co-investment order, I want to answer your question specifically, given the co-investment order requires once a public fund, so those would be SSLP or SLX invest in a company, a, they have to invest to continue to make follow-on investments. And so the degree of overlap is high in that by name of a portfolio company. So you will see some small Toho positions. And if there's a duty effectively a duty to offer an SSLP, above $200 million, SLX will take a small piece of that, so they might be able to participate in future transactions. If it's below $200 million, those credit facilities typically grow, SSLP will take a very small position, SLX will fill so the degree by number is high, the degree of portfolio overlap by position size is small.

Awesome. That's very good color. Just a small follow-up on Bed Bath & Beyond, you seem to flag that as a bit of a special case here maybe, but it's still pretty well marked. So I guess, can you give us some color on what the remaining collateral looks like? What kind of time line -- sure go ahead.

My guess, so today, we’ve received probably about 26% including printable interest back on our original investment. The collateral pools or a whole bunch of pools from ranging from receiving LCs back from -- on the vendor program with banks from insurance, workers comp LCs coming back to litigation pools. So there's varying kind of tails and time lines. But we -- as of now, we think it's still pretty well supported.

Great. Thanks so much.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Kenneth Lee from RBC Capital Markets.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. In terms of the originations this year, last year, there was a considerable mix within new investments versus upsized or add-on financing. Wondering for this year, whether you would expect a similar mix or could be a little bit more balanced? Thanks.

Yes. So I think our funding this year -- most of it was new, I think, like 94% of it was new. We were the agent on the majority of that. I don't have a call. My guess is that it will probably be more, our balanced portfolio company is becoming more active in doing add-ons. We've started to see a little bit of that. I think we're talking about name later today where there's, I guess, two names that are upside opportunities. But I don't really have a crystal ball. The reality is, last year, anything that was new change of control, new buyout or financing had to be done in the private, credit market, And so we took advantage of that for sure.

Got you. Very helpful there. And then just in terms of a follow-up, any updated outlook on potential opportunities from banks optimizing their balance sheets due to the changing regulatory framework? Thanks.

Yes. Look, I would say broadly speaking, that means [Indiscernible] and strikes, Bank's balance sheet is still more stable, at least the large -- the money that's in our banks. I think the deposit shifting that was happening where deposits were flowing in the treasuries has kind of peaked and slowed it might slightly be reversing on the margin and so the deposits are much more stable in banks. And so we are seeing banks come back into purchasing securities, including CLO, AAAs, et cetera. So that's been on a [Technical Difficulty] standpoint. I think that's been slightly different than last year. The -- I think the smaller banks or those banks that have significant commercial real estate exposure, obviously are going to -- might not have liquidity issues like they did last year. So banks who had issues last year had liquidity issues and not. So First Republic, obviously, signature, you can go to the list, banks this year, I think are going to have more credit issues. Those credit issues will be around from my guess is commercial real estate, most banks don't hold non-investment grade corporate credit of balance sheet.

Got it. Very helpful, there. Thanks again.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Melissa Wedel from JPMorgan.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. First, I wanted to clarify an answer, I think, Josh, that you had so one of the earlier questions around origination outlook for the year. I think you were referencing roughly the same or maybe a little lower. I wasn't sure if you were referring to sort of growth originations or net or were you talking about market share?

Yes. First of all, I was talking about this -- I think the question was related to the entire Sixth Street platform. And so the platform last year I think on the growth side of probably $4 billion to $5 billion of kind of origination. So obviously, some of that as discussed based on kind of appetite when in the SLX. The question I was referring to was growth, but it was in the broader platform. Net, my guess is repayments will pick up this year, we had the lowest repayment here, I think, ever last year. As I think Bo mentioned in the script, it was 15% portfolio turnover versus the average of like 40%, and so the average loan historically has been around for 2.5 years or something. And last year, which is not the math you should do, it would have been the average loan would have been around five years or six years, 5.5, six years. So I think -- my guess is growth will be the same to slightly lower, maybe, I don't know. We're investors. We're going to do things that we think are interesting for our stakeholders. But net surely will be lower because the portfolio turnover will pick up.

Okay. I really appreciate that clarification. As a follow-up, I wanted to circle back to something Ian has said about the outlook for the upcoming year and sort of thinking about the ROE framework? It seems like one of the embedded assumptions there is that spreads on -- spreads will remain roughly stable with sort of the variable factor maybe being around activity levels. I guess, I wanted to just get your thoughts on sort of spread stability in an environment where you're seeing a reopening of the broadly syndicated market. And is that a fair assumption? Or could we see things narrow a bit more? Thank you.

Yes. Look, I think we're kind of hedged on spreads, at least in the near-term on earnings. Look, I think the earnings -- when you think about the activity level, even at the top end of our guidance, wasn't that high as it relates to NII per share. If you see spreads come in significantly, my guess is there's going to be a lot more activity level income in the book. So activity level income in 2023 was call it, I'm doing the math, $0.10 -- I mean, on accelerated OID and prepayment fees were $0.10 per share. In 2022, it was $0.27 per share, in 2021 it was $0.47 per share. So even in our 2024 estimates in the range, it's still pretty muted. So what I would say is, at least for 2024, spreads do come in and we see some pressure on net interest margin, surely, with the activity levels pick up.

Got it. Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Erik Zwick from Hovde Group.

Good morning, all. Just a quick follow-up on the pipeline. I'm curious, as you look at it today, if there are any particular industries that are either comprising a larger share or look particularly attractive and kind of on the flip side, if there's any industries that you're cautious are shying away from today?

Yes. So good question. Look, I think there's -- I would frame it as a couple of ways. I think there are -- in 2024, I'm more hopeful that our [Technical Difficulty] company about that balance sheet opportunity set, which has historically been a kind of wane for us will come back. We're working on a couple of things that we think will provide good risk-adjusted returns that are complicated. So I think that's one theme. That is a theme. So good companies got balance sheets, capital structures that were put in place in a zero rate environment that's no longer a zero rate environment. The second theme is, we have done actually more industrial and industrial services in the recent and I think last quarter and this quarter that will show up in the book. And so we like those businesses. We think they're kind of at mid-cycle slightly, maybe above mid-cycle earnings that are under writable. There's certainly not at peak earnings. And so -- and we like have the dynamics there. Retail cash flow deals still we don't love, but retail, hopefully, will be another good opportunity for us. The consumer continues to shift wallet share. I think you saw the negative print earlier this week on retail sales shifted from goods to experiences, the balance sheet for void during COVID, given the consumer can only spend their excess savings on goods. They're coming back down to earth. So I think that's going to be a good opportunity. And then we'll continue to operate in our sector themes such as software, et cetera. But I do think you'll be more industrial, I do think you'll see the more complicated transactions show back up in 2024.

That's great color. I appreciate it. Thanks for taking my question.

Of course.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd from Raymond James.

Good morning, everyone. So first one, maybe simple, maybe I missed it. Can you give us, Ian, for the ROE and the earnings guidance? What forward curve is factored into that? I mean today, it's three cuts, a month ago, it was six cuts. I think can you give us an indicator of what you've got factored into that?

I think the exact page by the way, which we got some help earlier. It was probably a week ago or what was last Tuesday was the forward curve we used and rates are slightly up from there. But yes, the forward curve has been very, very tricky. But we use the forward curve as of last Tuesday and I think rates fall off a little bit or up from there. But -- is that helpful. yes.

Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then I think in your prepared remarks, you said -- I mean, there was some refinancing activity already in or repricing, I don't know the wrong word in the fourth quarter, but those were ‘21, ‘22. So they did generate accelerated income, but not as much. If spread -- can you give us an idea of what you're thinking about how it could play out in ‘24? I mean if spreads do come in, did the ‘23 start refinancing your spreads to tighten up, which would generate considerably more income if they're younger versus older, I mean any import from that?

Yes. look, I think it's a great question. Obviously, there's more OID, unamortized OID and call protection in the ‘23 versus the older vintages. So do you have that right. So you most definitely can see that happen. That has not modeled in. What you might have picked up in our guidance is that the dispersion is higher. I think this year, in our guidance as it ever has been before.

That's right.

And it's because of the things that we're talking about on the last three questions. One is this more -- there's more volatility on the curve. We've got two big moves this past week. There are spreads and prepayment penalties. What I would say is in our base at whatever, $0.28 per share. We don't have that much in on accelerated OID in prepayment fees. It's like $0.13 per share. So I don't know the disperse of wider for sure, our guidance moves wider for sure. And because the environment seems still continues to be volatile.

I appreciate that the cover that. I mean if the market is highly active $0.13 in one quarter, but I'll just leave I think guidance. You're typically pretty conservative. So understood. Thank you.

Thanks, Robert.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Maxwell Fritscher from Truist Securities.

Hi, good morning. I'm calling in today for Mark Hughes. Are you seeing any more competition in winning deals from the stepped-up fundraising and direct lending that Bo had mentioned particularly if the broadly syndicated market becomes more competitive?

Yes. I mean, look, there's most definitely more competition and there has been more capital raise. I think the overall, whatever you want to call capital -- credit dry powder as compared to private equity dry powder, and I'm not a big -- I don't love that kind of theme because the movers in time, it doesn't always play out, but that so holds. But there's most definitely more competition. I think the good news is the bad news is that the asset class has been credentialized because it's provided a decent or a good risk-adjusted return for all different types of allocators and investors, but that leads to more competition. And so we'll continue to really need to adapt and evolve and iterate we can continue to provide, a, a great product service to our issuer with speed and certainty and understanding their business and also make sure we do that for shareholders and stakeholders. So they're most definitely more competition.

Got it. That's helpful. Thank you. And so in the quarter for the new funding, there was a small step-up in equity investments. And I was just wondering if there's anything there or if that's just normal course of business.

Normal course.

I think there was some idiosyncratic to invest, but it's a normal level of activity. Yes.

Yes. I mean, look, I think part of what we try to be, we're investors. And if we -- if there's a chance to make a small equity go that really created for shareholders, we'll do it on businesses we like. We -- our model is don't do on everything. We're investors. So sometimes there's equity stories we understand and we can underwrite and sometimes it's not. And -- but when we can, we'll put small pieces on the balance sheet.

Got it. Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch from KBW.

Hey, good morning.

Hey, good morning.

First question I had was we've seen some of the data of some of the purchase price multiples coming down for new transactions as I think private equity is finally starting to want to exit investments return capital. I'm just curious -- have you seen the same decline in leverage levels on those transactions that you guys are seeing in the market, whereas the loan to value on those businesses, which have been very low over the last year would still be in that same level. And the other question on that is our loan to values staying low. Is that really -- is that important to you? Or is it more important just the absolute leverage levels on these businesses versus the equity checks and loan to values?

Yes. First of all, it’s a good. Look, I think valuations are all over the place. I don't -- I think we see them all over a place. I think generally, they're down. They should be down. Discount rates are up. So if you take a series of cash flows and you apply a higher discount rate to them, you're going to end up with a lower NPV. That lower NPV over the same current EBITDA or operating cash flow number is going to be lower. So I think generally, valuation should be down directionally because of the discount rates, weighted average cost of capital has most definitely gone up given the move in treasuries. When we think about -- and then I would say, given the move in, again, with three companies have less, generally speaking, have less capacity to take on debt and service debt given the higher interest cost. And so I think you most definitely have seen all those things. And I think LTVs are pretty stable. I would say -- the one thing I would frame up on LTVs is we don't look at LTVs. We look at LTVs, but through our lens, which is what do we think the business is actually worth. That may be consistent with what the sponsor is paying for it or not being for it. And we don't really get a whole bunch of comfort on the size of the equity check because they have a different kind of risk return profile than we do. We're kind of always short. We've written a call option, and we're sort of put and they don't have that dynamic. So I would say -- and I know I went deep, I would say we look at LTVs is through lens, debt capacity is down because the rates are up, LTVs are pretty stable and valuations are slightly down, but they're all -- they continue to be all over the place.

Okay. That's helpful color. The other question I had is with the market with BSL starting -- that market is starting to pick back up. I'm just curious -- are you seeing any sort of new terms that are coming in to do deals that direct lenders are implementing in order to win deals. We've seen read and heard things like portability and things like that being put into to new deals. Are you seeing any sort of like unusual terms or terms kind of reemerge that you guys aren't super comfortable with in order for lenders to win deals as they're now more competing with the BSL markets?

Well, look, I don't know if it's a BSL thing. I mean, I think we fall terms getting -- generally giving looser because there was a whole much more private credit raise in the last 6 months or years. So I think terms generally have weakened, I think you have to look at it in the context of a idiosyncratic credit. And so is there more kind of light screen, springing covenants on revolver draws in large-cap private credit, yes. But I think the market does an okay job, deep in job of making sure it's for the right credit. So most definitely in terms are continued, let's say, weakened, but continue to evolve. And that's part of hopefully what we bring to table being able to underwrite and make those decisions. Bo, anything to add there?

I think you hit it. It's -- what I would say is even though document in terms are loosening, I think they're still on the margin better than they were kind of in the late cycle peak-ish levels in 2020, 2021. But with more competition will mainly from the direct lending market. You're seeing the general loosening of terms. We typically only play in deals, in fact, the only planned deals where we have a seat at the table and documentation, and we will not do deals if there's provisions that we're not comfortable with.

Okay. I just had one last one for me. You guys have never been -- you guys have always not been a been willing to step into some complex deals in the past. You guys have certainly done some asset-backed deals that have been complex. I'm just curious, do you have any sort of expertise across the platform and/or any desire for any transactions in the real estate space that could ever reach into TSLX's bucket, whether that's a direct loan. Obviously, there's going to be a lot of pieces to pick up in that space. It could be an opportunity. But I'm just not sure if you have that expertise or decide or whether it's a direct loan or even I know in the past, you've played in some of the structured products with CLOs, maybe it's a structured product in that space. Just curious what's the appetite there and expertise in that area.

Yes. We have tons of averted. We've invested billions abilities to billions of dollars in real estate. That was a large theme post the global financial prices the people might have read one of my long-time friends and colleagues at Goldman's came on, Julian Fultzberry, co-CIO, with Alan and myself across the platform. He's most definitely continue to focus on real estate and building out the expertise or augmenting the exercise we already have. As it relates to does it fit in SLX, we'll have to get some thought into that. But we're sure we have the expertise, and we surely think it's going to be a unique area. Obviously, that is a bad asset. And so -- and that's a concrete bucket for us. I mean it's not constrained now, but it's a constrained resource. And so we'll also figure that out.

Okay, makes sense. That's all from me. I appreciate the time today.

Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Bryce Rowe from B. Riley.

Thanks. God morning. Just wanted to hit on some questions on the right side of the balance sheet. If you think about some of the repayment activity that you think will be a little bit more elevated in '24 versus '23 and put that in the context of where your debt-to-equity is at this point. Do you think you can kind of manage to that higher end of your targeted debt-to-equity range, meaning that I guess, net originations will be lower like you mentioned.

Yes. I think I met growth originations will be lower. My guess is that will be the same. So I think we'll be able to manage into our -- into that range. But I think people are asking growth, but I think that will -- I think that will be able to manage that into that reach.

And Josh, are you comfortable operating at the higher end of that range? Or would you prefer to be in the lower end?

I think we're comfortable in the rate in the -- at the end of the range. So we probably faded a range up to 1.25, and I think we're comfortable with that. At moments we've got above that. I think people remember we were 1.33 and did an equity raise to bring it back into the top end of the range. But I think we're comfortable in the range. I know we're comfortable with the range.

And then one more for me. You all mentioned pre-funding the '24 maturity. Does that kind of insinuate that you'll see the secure piece of the debt stack go up when we get to the end of the year? Or do you kind of like where you sit right now pro forma for the raise earlier here in '24?

Yes. I'll let Ian -- I'll color after that you can comment specifically. So I think our base case is SLX is not backed into the market this year in the bonds. But the market changes, and we reserve the right to be opportunistic, but that is the base case. -- which means that our secured debt, we will borrow on the revolver to repay the 2024. And so our funding mix will slightly change that has two impact was secured versus unsecured funding mix. The other impact is that's our lowest cost of capital. And so it will bleed slightly into a lower cost of capital as we do that.

And the other thing I'd add to that, Bryce, is we talked about getting to 70% unsecured in our mix pro forma for the January deal. If you look back at where TSLX has been historically, we've been in the '80s. So when there are moments in time where it's opportunistic and it's beneficial for us to increase that funding mix, then we like that unsecured market.

Yes, the base case is we're funding on the revolver we prefunded likely to be effectively prefunded that and got that off the table as the base case. And over time, should lower the capital.

Got it. Thank you all for taking the questions.

Thanks.

Thank you. At this time, I would now like to turn the conference back over to Josh Easterly for closing remarks.

Again, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate people's support. I hope people have an excellent presence day weekend, if you observe it, and we look forward to seeing people on the screen.

Thanks, everyone.

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