Tower Semiconductor Ltd. (TSEM) Q1 2025 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Tower Semiconductor First Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only-mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to our first speaker today, Ms. Noit Levi, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Human Resources. Please go ahead.

Thank you and welcome to Tower Financial Results conference call for the first quarter of 2025. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that some statements made during this call may be forward-looking and are subject to uncertainties and risk factors that could cause actual results to be different from those currently expected. These uncertainties and risk factors are fully disclosed in our Forms 20-F and 6-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission as well as filings with the Israeli Securities Authority in this year. They are also available on our website. Tower assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Please note that the first quarter of 2025 financial results have been prepared in accordance with US GAAP. The financial tables and data in today's earnings release and in this earnings call also include certain adjusted financial information that may be considered non-GAAP financial measures under Regulation G and related reporting requirements that established with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The financial table include a full explanation of these measures and the reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the GAAP financial measures. We have a supporting slide deck that complements today's conference call. This presentation is accessible on our company's website and is also integrated into today's webcast for your convenience. Now I'd like to turn the call to our CEO, Mr. Russell Ellwanger. Russell, please go ahead.

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining our call today. It is a pleasure to have the opportunity to update on our activities and progress. We opened 2025 with a quarterly revenue of $358 million with a net profit of $40 million. We guide the second quarter of 2025 to a midpoint of $372 million plus or minus 5% and affirm our target for year-over-year growth with sequential revenue increases throughout 2025 and with strong acceleration in the second half as our multi-fab capacity investments complete customer qualifications and ramp into production. The overall market experienced uncertainty due to tariffs and related policy shifts. However, Tower offers a clear advantage to our customers through our global footprint and proactive cross qualification of all major process flows across our sites. Our global manufacturing flexibility combined with the strength of our wide technical offerings give us an immediate opportunity to grow wherever demand emerges or constraints occur. We will now present first quarter 2025 revenue breakdown whilst adding some flavor for the year. Please reference Slide Number 4. In looking at our first quarter revenue breakdown, we see two significant year-over-year shifts. Firstly, RF Infrastructure has grown from 14% of our total revenue in Q1 '25 to 22% and this at a higher corporate revenue level. Secondly, Tower grew from 10% to 18% of our corporate revenue, a very important shift resulting from a share gain in a new serve market, which we will refer to shortly. In our RF Infrastructure business, we continue to see growth driven by datacenter and AI expansions served by our silicon photonics and silicon germanium technologies for optical fiber communications. The first quarter of 2025 continued record revenue levels for these two technologies. As we look toward the second quarter, we see further strong sequential increases with continued growth forecasted in the third and again in the fourth quarter of the year. Silicon photonics continues to displace traditional EML Solution at 800 gigabit per second and is anticipated to increase further at 1.6 terabit per second for which we are presently in a production ramp. The market shift to silicon photonics combined with the expected 800G and 1.6T optical transceiver five-year CAGR of 49% based on Lightcounting reports provides ample opportunity for Tower revenue and blended margin growth in the years to come. Please reference Slide Number 5. In addition to being a driver within the strong market dynamics, we continue to invest in next-generations of technology to maintain our very high market share in silicon photonics. For example, this past quarter, we announced a new technology that enabled Innolight to reduce the number of external lasers used per 800G module by a factor of two and hence substantially reducing the transceiver cost. We also announced with OpenLight the achievement of a 400 gigabit per lane modulator performance enabling next-generations of 3.2T products. To our knowledge, this is the first demonstration of a 400 gigabit per second modulator integrated on an eight inch silicon wafer. Please reference Slide Number 6. Along with silicon photonics, silicon germanium is growing strongly with continued adoption for TIAs and drivers in optical modules, which are benefiting from the same strong market dynamics. Longer term, we see adoption of silicon germanium in satellite terrestrial receivers as well as in low noise amplifiers for the most advanced handsets providing additional growth factors for this high margin segment of our business. In 2024, the handset market demonstrated about 7% growth with Tower's RFSOI year-over-year growth being at about 30%. This year, the handset market is currently forecast to see flat to minimal growth creating a situation where our RFSOI customers are now burning off some inventories. However, our handset markets are overall growth. They more than compensated by a new served market for Tower, namely Envelope Tracker served by our highly differentiated custom developed power management 300 millimeter BCD platform. We expect this to continue to grow and provide a strong revenue stream for multiple years. Finally, in Power Management, we are seeing a strong rebound in both our high voltage 200 millimeter platforms as well as continued strong growth in our 300 millimeter BCD platforms. Our higher voltage 200 millimeter power business serving automotive, industrial and consumer applications are in the midst of a strong ramp. In 300 millimeter BCD, we are primarily benefiting from the strong ramp of new business serving the handset market, namely Envelope Tracker as previously mentioned. An Envelope Tracker is used in advanced handsets to improve battery life by interacting closely with the baseband to dynamically adjust the operating point of the power amplifier, minimizing wasted energy. Our current ramp is in support of a major new handset with a newly introduced custom baseband that is coupled with our direct customer's Envelope Tracker. The 300 millimeter business is expected to grow strongly as we continue to qualify additional products and ramp the large capacity we have available in the Albuquerque facility. We are seeing a market rebound in our machine vision sensor business both in 200 millimeter and 300 millimeter. Customers have consumed their inventories and are placing orders not just for existing SKUs, but also for new sockets, demonstrating refreshed vibrance in this market. This includes not only the traditional machine vision market using our Global Shutter Pixel technology, but also 3D Depth Sensors, direct Time-of-Flight based on our SPAD Pixel technology for robotics and autofocus applications. The impact of this rebound is expected to be seen in the revenue of the second half of this year. Utilization, in the first quarter, Fab 2, we continue to build the additional SiGe capacity operated at approximately 55% utilization. Fab 3 is at 80% utilization. Fab 5 at 65% growing with the increased high voltage Power Management demand and Fab 7 300 millimeter was fully utilized with the highest process layers to-date with additional activities allowing us to be well above our 85% utilization model. Fab 9 was at 70% utilization. To-note, as previously stated, Fab 2 and Fab 9 are in the midst of repurposing towards silicon germanium and silicon photonics with available capacity awaiting full customer qualification. In summary, we are pleased with progress across all areas. We reaffirmed quarter-over-quarter revenue growth for the year. Silicon photonics and SiGe demand remains strong, in fact very strong with Tier 1 customer alignment on next-generation co-development in 200 millimeters and 300 millimeters. Our 200 millimeters high voltage power is experiencing high demand with continued strong interest in 300 millimeter 65 nanometer and finer line BCD programs. The industrial image market is rebounding on top of a stable medical and camera imaging business and we remain confident in the realization of high volume display activities. With that, I'd like to turn the call to our CFO, Mr. Oren Shirazi. Oren, please.

Thank you, Russell. Hello, everyone. Earlier today, we released our financial results for the first quarter of 2025. For the first quarter of 2025, we reported revenue of $358 million representing a $31 million or 9% year-over-year revenue increase compared to the same quarter in 2024. Gross profit and operating profit for the first quarter of 2025 were $73 million and $33 million respectively, similar to the same quarter in 2024. This gross profit and operating profit benefited from the year-over-year revenue increase. This benefit was offset by the Agrate fab fixed cost, which as previously communicated commenced operations during the fourth quarter of 2024. Net profit for the first quarter of 2025 was $40 million reflecting $0.36 basic earnings per share and $0.35 diluted earnings per share. Net profit for the first quarter of 2024 was $45 million or $0.40 basic and diluted earnings per share and included a non-recurring income tax benefit. Moving to our balance sheet and future CapEx and cash plans. Our balance sheet remains very strong evidenced by the following indicators and financial ratios. As of the end of March 2025, our assets totaled $3.1 billion primarily comprised of $1.3 billion in fixed assets predominantly comprised of fab machinery and $1.7 billion of current assets. Current assets ratio is very strong at about 7x, while shareholders' equity reached a record of $2.7 billion at the end of March 2025. An additional indication of our financial strength has been awarded to us last week by Standard & Poor's Israel recent annual rating review, which reaffirmed our rating as ilAA stable endorsing the stable outlook for the company. Our strong financial position allows us to invest in strategic opportunities that support our corporate vision as follows. One, we've committed to pay up to $300 million to acquire equipment and CapEx in the 12-inch New Mexico fab, 15% of which has been paid and the remaining 85% is forecasted to be paid as we ramp up qualifications by end of 2026. As part of the STMicro partnership, $500 million in cash are allocated for this Italy 12-inch fab equipment. We've already invested 80% of such amount and the balance is expected by the end of 2025. And three, for our high margin SiPho and SiGe business, we announced we will invest $350 million to expand our capacity in our 8-inch fabs in Israel and Texas and in our 12-inch Uozu fab in Japan. 25% of such amount has been paid to-date. The remaining 75% is expected to be paid by end of 2026. All of these investments including the SiPho and SiGe CapEx are fully reflected in our previously presented strategic and financial model. Under this model, we target $2.7 billion in annual revenue at full loading of our existing fabs including Agrate and New Mexico, $560 million in annual operating profits and $500 million in annual net profit. That concludes my prepared remarks. Now I'd like to turn the call back to the operator so we can take your questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Thank you. We will now go to the first question. And your first question comes from the line of Cody Acree from The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks guys for taking my questions and congrats on the progress. Russell, congrats on the new Envelope Tracking business. Maybe if we can just start there. Can you just maybe help us size that business, revenue-wise today and then your expectations for the year and maybe as you look into the next few quarters?

I'm not sure I really should being that -- it's very specific to a certain customer and I think not difficult to find out who that customer is. It has reached very high volumes and will continue at even higher volumes and we were talking thousands of wafers per month. But I don't think it would be proper for me to give more color than that, especially with your own reporting. I think you would specifically know exactly who we're talking about.

And this is going to be accounted for in your RF Mobile business. Is that correct?

No. The Envelope Tracker is in the Power Management.

In Power Management. Okay. Awesome.

That was what I talked about the increase from the 12% to the 18%.

In the 300 millimeter, right. Okay. Awesome. Can you maybe help us with the size of your SiPho business this quarter and your expectations for the rest of the year?

Certainly. I think this is just in line with what we talked about when we entered the year and there's no difference right now in what we're seeing in the growth. We finished the previous year with SiPho at about $105 million and we said that we would see a doubling of that within 2025. And that's everything pretty much on track for that to occur.

Okay, great. And then lastly, can you maybe just actually two more questions. Can you just talk about the tone of business that you may be getting from customers in your conversations, both officially and unofficially, I guess, as you're just talking to them and getting their read on the impact of the current tariff landscape?

There's certainly discussion about tariffs and a potential impact. We've not seen any yet and our customers aren't really seeing an impact. There's potentially some fear not as far as our manufacturing which is stated we do have the ability through cross qualifications to manufacture in many different global locations depending on customer needs or desires. But there's some potential fear that if you look at the very end market, for example, some of the Power Management going into power tools that are being produced in China that potentially could have a softening in the end market of the China products being sold into the US. None of that has been realized yet, but there is some concern there. However, we have not seen any pullback in orders nor a discussion of pullback in orders, due to any concerns on tariffs. And some of that again is because of our ability to support our customers in manufacturing and shipping from various global location.

Great. Thanks for the help there. And then just lastly, any thoughts or comments around the Indian project that was in the media last couple of weeks about the possible tabling of that project?

Very good question, Cody. Let me just think for a second so that I answer it properly and ethically correct. So I did read the article. It came as a surprise because we stopped the project and at our request we withdrew from the project some five, six months ago. I will say without breaking any type of confidentiality agreements that we had that the article itself was 100% baseless, really no truth in anything that it said. It was Tower that withdrew from it. The reasons we withdrew are very good reasons, but again out of confidentiality it would not be proper for me to go into those reasons. However, we never press released anything about the India project. It was released by others, not by us even during the time that we were engaged. But why we didn't press release anything is we never had any formal agreement to go forward. We were working on an opportunity as one should always look at and develop every opportunity that's good for your customers, good for your shareholders, good for your business. And it could have been a very good thing. But ultimately for reasons that we thought were very good, we withdrew from the project, unlike anything that was in the article. It was Tower that withdrew.

Thanks for all the help and congrats on all the progress.

Thank you. Very good questions, Cody, and thank you always for your interest and good questions.

Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will now go to our next question. One moment please. And your next question comes from the line of Richard Shannon from Craig Hallum. Please go ahead.

Hi, Russell, Oren. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe I'll start with first one on silicon photonics. I prepared to ask you about the competitive dynamics here and I think you made a brief remark to that. I guess I'd love to get your sense of given the few other foundries and started talking a little bit about silicon photonics or transceivers whether you're seeing anything specifically. And then maybe as a follow on in this general topic, silicon photonics, how do you see the 1.6 generation shaping up from a revenue point of view versus the 800 gig generation maturity obviously doing very well in?

So I didn't honestly follow the first part of your question. Maybe you could restate it, but I'll answer the second part. The 1.6T, we are in a ramp right now with additional customers saying that they will be ramping strongly in the second half. So we are -- it's very real. We're supplying it in a good fashion and these are 8x200 channels. So moving along very well. And I wanted to if you could really just restate the first part of the question, because I didn't pick up what the question was.

Sure. It's just based on competitive dynamics in silicon photonics. We've seen a couple of other foundries talk about either in earnings calls or in other events about getting into the transceiver part of the market here. So just wanted to get your sense of whether you're seeing any of that?

We would estimate our market share somewhere about 80%. Now anytime that you have a very strong market share, you have to work very hard to protect it. And the best way to do that is shipping wafers that perform well on time and having customer-aligned roadmaps that their next-generation needs are ready and available before they need them. So that's where we're engaged right now. It's a very big growing market. As I stated, if you look at the analyst report, it's good to have a 49% CAGR. It's forecast to have a 49%. Are you there? Hello?

I'm here, yes.

Okay. A 49% CAGR. So it's a very big growth market. Our point will be to maintain very strong share as that market is growing. But it is a very big market. It's also a very high value product, high value products drive very high margins. So hopefully that answered your question. But at present, we are serving four of the top five producers as far as optical integrators and I think in a sole position with four of the top five.

Okay, excellent. Appreciate that feedback. My next question, Russell, is regarding any utilization. It sounds like you're cross fertilizing processes across multiple fabs, which you described already here today, which makes total sense here. But want to get a sense of when we start to see this complete and start to see greater capacity available here. And I guess my question is specifically oriented towards silicon germanium silicon photonics. I want to know whether -- is that utilization pretty much 100%? And when does that spigot open up here, to see it sounds like you have great demand here. I'd love to get a sense of when we start to see acceleration.

Yes. To restate what I said during the prepared remarks, for the SiGe and SiPho as a combined infrastructure business, we see continued growth, record revenue presently and we see that growing in Q2, growing additionally in Q3 and growing additionally in Q4. So if you were talking about capacity opening up, that's the only way that could happen. When there's big demand, obviously, we're running as many as we can presently. But the cross qualifications as well as even within Newport Beach additional capacity capability being added. So that's happening real time. And you'll see it as we anticipate that you'll see it in Q2 and then incrementally higher Q3 and again incrementally higher in Q4.

Okay. Last question. I'll jump on the line here. Just wanted to ask kind of big picture longer term thinking out a couple of years or if you want to pick a different timeframe here. And looking at some of the big picture or the biggest drivers of your top line here, obviously RF Infrastructure with the two segments we talked about today is going to be one, I would imagine, fit in their Power, RFSOI with the new capacity. And then your last earnings call, you specifically mentioned in your closing remarks about OLED on silicon backplanes here. I wonder if you kind of rank order, which ones you think are going to be the biggest dollar contributors over a two year timeframe or whatever you'd like to pick, Russell?

On incremental dollar growth and especially the margin impact of it, the biggest contributor will be RF Infrastructure. Power on absolute dollars should continue to be a big growth driver. RF Mobile as stated has pulled back a bit within the first quarter as compared to where we were at during 2024. But we expect that as well to snapback and have very strong growth in '26 and '27. So I think that those will be the biggest. The Display, we're confident of Display realizing big revenue growth. There's activities happening, customer forecasts that are happening, but it has not been accomplished yet. So I don't want to overstate that. The biggest confidence in the future is what's happening presently, the activities are there, the revenue not yet. So upon starting to get into a few thousand wafer per month of backplane shipment that's when I'll be much more confident on the growth driver of the Display. But to get to the few thousand wafer a month, I'm confident in that presently on Display itself. And again what we do with the OLED is the backplane, the silicon backplane.

Okay. Appreciate that perspective. I'll jump out of line. Thanks Russell.

Thank you, Richard. Very good questions. Thanks.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Matt Bryson from Wedbush. Please go ahead.

Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. Just with the RF Mobile business I think it's at -- it's either at the lowest point or close to lowest point that it tends to hit. Can you tell us whether or not this might be a bottom? How far customers are in terms of reducing their inventories? And I guess is it all inventory reduction or I think there's been a bit of effort in China to ramp up domestic production on the RF side. Is that affecting the business at all?

So by forecast we see the Mobile business growing throughout the year, the RF Mobile, so RFSOI specifically in the front end module. So it should be growing throughout the year against the Q1. So I would at least from forecast, I would say that, yes, this Q1 was the lowest point. Now on the base business itself, you are correct. There has been a drive in China and possibly something that came as a little bit of a surprise and maybe a negative impact of trying to get the Chinese regulatory approval was needing to show them our customers and different numbers from our customers and potentially that drove some further drive for some of our very big Chinese customer to give more market share into China. So that is part of what we're seeing as well. We have one customer to where they are sourcing more of their volume percentage inside of the country itself.

Awesome. I really appreciate the color. That was all I have.

Thank you very much.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Lisa Thompson from ZACKS Investment Research. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I just like to ask a little bit more about your sales and how it relates to tariffs. I know, at the year end, you said 42% of revenues go to the US, but I believe that just means that's where you send the bill. Do you actually have what percent of product or so do you have coming from outside the US to the US?

Like we said in the financials, you're right, 42% of our revenues are for US customers. Usually the shipping of the goods is not done to US. It's done to where the customer ask us to send it for continued work which usually is I mean it's not usually there is a lot of regions in the world according to the customer request can be Philippines, Thailand in order to package them and test them and put them into a final end product according to the customer request. It doesn't matter that the corporate is in the US for this case.

So the 42% is just who you bill, right? It's not where it goes.

It's the headquarter of the parent company that we bill. That's how we do it. Yes, it's not the place that we ship to the product. Because again we ship what we are doing to the next to packaging houses and to the next station in the chain -- in the supply chain, right?

Correct. So that would mean possibly that very little of that revenue actually goes physically to the US. And will be captured by tariffs, right?

Yes, exactly. Yes, a very small part of that physically enters the US, yes.

All right. That's good to know. And just one small question. Do you expect operating expenses to stay above the $40 million level from the rest of the year?

We expect it to remain about flat at this current level of $40 million a quarter, right? Yes.

Okay, great. Thank you so much. That's all my questions.

Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up from Cody Acree from The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me back in line here. Just a couple of quick questions. The volume that you're seeing from Agrate. Has that started in earnest?

Yes. In Q4, it actually started at earnest.

Any thoughts on that ramp, Russell, throughout the year?

Q2 will be a reasonable number. Q3, Q4, we expect will be higher by forecast. That was something that I had mentioned previously that we see the Q1 revenue as the low. The bulk of our RFSOI at this point is 300 millimeter not 200 millimeter. And by design, we've tried to move all of the 300 millimeter into the Agrate factory for multiple reasons, not the least of which is allowing then more capacity in Fab 7 for the SiGe and silicon photonics growth for new 300 millimeter platforms.

Okay, thanks. That's very helpful. And then you mentioned the Envelope Tracking Power Management business and you mentioned New Mexico in the same breath. You're not ramping that in New Mexico yet. Is that right or is that the plan? Are you ramping wafers in New Mexico already?

That specific project is being worked in New Mexico. It is not yet ramped in New Mexico. Right now that is coming out of the Uozu factory in Japan.

Okay, great. Thank you. And then lastly, could you just, I'm sorry, I'm going slow on this uptake, but can you read, cover your conversation or your explanation about what's happened in China, in the RF Mobile business? You mentioned a customer, the qualification process and some regulatory approval movement with a customer. Can you just rediscuss that?

During the diligence and working to get Chinese approval for the Intel acquisition, we were very careful about not opening up anything about customers that were not Chinese based, but we had very little choice but to be open about revenues and activities of Chinese customers with the Chinese government. We think potentially as a result of that, that at least one customer got a lot of pressure to start sourcing in China. And that happened and some of their market share is now going internally into China. Presently, it's not the most advanced platforms. The capability doesn't sit there to do that, but volumes of older platforms are now being manufactured in China and not with us.

Okay. But that does not change your expectations of the RF Mobile business is still troughing in Q1 and should improve through the year?

Correct.

Okay. All right. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question is also a follow-up from Richard Shannon from Craig Hallum. Please go ahead.

I'm going to follow on Cody's last question here on Mobile. And specifically I think it was in response to my question here about improvements kind of longer term. I think you talked about a snapback in '26 and '27 in RFSOI and Mobile. I guess, I wanted to get some sense of the dynamics you're expecting a much better market or what I would guess is some share gains here, but maybe you can kind of clarify how and where this you expect this to occur?

We have brought on multiple newer customers, some relatively new entries into the market that have grown remarkably fast. One specifically, I don't believe that we've press released with. We intend to. But it's a customer that was very strong in antennas that then went into making their own antenna switches. And they've been very successful. They've grown very strong. We have multiple other customers that as well are gaining share very quickly. So that's a lot of what we're talking about within the growth of the remaining quarters of 2025. These customers because of their big share gains during a time that the market was being built at a reasonable rate, the 7% improvement, and they got share gains in it, they certainly bought as many products as they could. As you're initially ramping and gaining share, the one thing that you cannot do is undersupply to customers' demand. So the handset integrators that were buying from them, they themselves built relatively big inventory, so they wouldn't let them down. When the market then started to pull back with the forecasted no to very low single-digit growth in 2025, they were stuck with inventory that's burning off now. So for the existing SKUs that we had shipped last year, they have inventory that's being burned off. But there's continual new designs for more advanced models. So that's what we're really counting on for the growth in this year. As far as getting into 2026 and beyond, there's more established very large customers that we have reengaged with or newly engaged with that their ramps are planned to start in the fourth quarter of '25 and go throughout 2026 or to begin in the first quarter of 2026. So if you look at '26, we see it as a very big growth year for our RF Mobile business, mainly front end module serving handsets. Hopefully that gives the color you're asking for.

That was very helpful. Thanks. Thanks for that Russell. My next question is related to the New Mexico fab with Intel here and I guess maybe I had a little bit of confusion that Cody asked on as well here, but maybe I'll ask in a slightly different way here is, when do we expect to qualify equipment here, start to see depreciation and then also go to production? And this last part of the question, Russell, I asked because last call you talked about a large PO you got in Power Management, I think very early this year that we're not talking about ramping till next year. It seems like very early to award a PO for. So I just want to make sure I understand that well.

As far as the first part of your question, we would start seeing production shipments within this year, which is what we've had stated in the third, fourth quarter of this year. Upon hitting a certain level of production shipments is when you begin depreciation of tools. So that's when we would start seeing depreciation. You'd have to refresh me though on the second part of the question. I talked about a big PO for Power Management?

Yes, in the last earnings call. In fact, I can pull that up here and find it real quickly. I think it was in your prepared remarks. Actually, if you give me a second, I can locate it here. Yes. So last quarter you said we delivered successful prototypes to lead customers and based on the success we received our first production PO related to your 65 nanometer BCD.

Yes, that was in Fab 11X. I didn't say that it was big volume, but we did receive our first production POs. Before we start recognizing revenue, we have certain milestones on the volume that we ship. And those volumes we would believe will hit Q3, Q4.

Okay. That's helpful. It gives some perspective there. And then my last quick question, Russell, is related to silicon photonics. I think you've mentioned, additional platforms that do laser attach with the silicon photonics you're delivering today. Wondering when we might see that into production? And then also how do we general timeframe when do we expect to intersect with the CPO market?

It's a very good question, the latter part. The bigger question is when will the CPO market actually be realized. And it's thought to be probably at least four years out. So I am not sure of the exact timing of when CPO will be there. What we're doing with CPO are very good active programs to ensure that our customers that are really as I stated the big players on the optical integrator side that they know they can stay with us for multiple generations and that we're well prepared and they're well prepared at the time that it would be if it does get adopted that will be their supplier. So and we have many forms of how we're pursuing that. If that answers the CPO question. And what was the other part of the question I'm sorry.

The laser attach.

Yes. So that's exactly. That's where we do the integrated laser, that's with the OpenLight platform. When will that start seeing volume shipments? By forecast, we have multiple customers that are saying it's in 2026. We'll see if that occurs, but that is what's being stated on us.

Okay. That's helpful perspective. That's all for me. I will jump on the line. Thanks, Russell.

Thank you.

Thank you. That does conclude our Q&A session. I would now like to turn the call to Mr. Russell Ellwanger. Please go ahead.

Thank you. This past month Dr. Preisler, the VP of RF Technologies, Dr. Racanelli, Tower's President and I attended the Optical Fiber Conference, OFC in San Francisco. We have developed quite a strong reputation in the optical transceiver field and candidly it was almost embarrassing, we were greeted as rock stars. During the conference, we met with over 60 customers with discussions and real time activities in multiple areas. For example, programs for further platform efficiencies, multiple form factors for next-generation 400G modulators and co-package optics. As executive management, we continuously meet with our lead customers and new customers, both groupings either already creating or with the potential to create a large industry impact. In my most recent multi-week customer visits, I was thrilled with the extreme capability, character and passion of our existing customers as well as newer customers spanning not just datacenter, but also our mobile front end module, power management and imaging offerings. It really is the most exciting time for Tower. There's an interesting quote from former US President, Bill Clinton. He stated, old age is when our memories outweigh our dreams. Myself, not being a spring chicken, I pondered these words. I specifically pondered what defines vibrant inspired youth. My thought is that it's not just a high weighting of dreams and maybe better wording than dreams is high and noble aspiration, but as or even more importantly that these aspirations are tied to consequent actions. At Tower, we have many high and challenging aspirations, but most importantly are the real time consequential action we are taking to achieve them. Extremely capable people with boundless passion in an environment that promotes and inspires both the capability and passion is unstoppable, especially when this environment is based upon customers with equal capability and passion that are dedicated to partner towards mutual success. We thank you for your interest in the company. We look forward to updating you over the next quarters as we continue our progress towards achieving our multiyear aspirations. In the short-term, we will be attending the following conferences and look forward to seeing you face-to-face if possible for your schedules. On May 18th, we will participate in the Oppenheimer Annual Israeli Conference in Tel Aviv. On May 28th, we will participate at the Craig Hallum 22nd Annual Institutional Investor Conference in Minnesota. On May 29th, we will participate at the TD Cowen 53rd Annual Technology, Media and Telecom Conference in New York. Again, thank you for your interest. Thank you for your support and best wishes to you.

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.