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Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Oct 23, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Trinity Biotech Third Quarter and Fiscal Year 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note, this event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to hand the conference over to Joe Diaz of Lytham Partners. Please go ahead, sir.

Joe Diaz

Analyst

Thank you, Denise, and thanks, all of you, for joining us to review the financial results of Trinity Biotech for the third quarter of 2018, which ended September 30, 2018. With us on the call representing the company are Ronan O'Caoimh, Chief Executive Officer; and Kevin Tansley, Chief Financial Officer. At the conclusion of today's prepared remarks, we'll open the call for a question-and-answer session. Before we begin with prepared remarks, we submit for the record the following statement. Statements made by the management team of Trinity Biotech during the course of this conference call that are not historical facts are considered to be forward-looking statements subject to risks and uncertainties. The Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 provides a safe harbor for such forward-looking statements. The word believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, will and other similar statements of expectation identify forward-looking statements. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, the results of research and development efforts; the effect of regulation by the United States Food and Drug Administration and other agencies; the impact of competitive products, product development commercialization and technological difficulties; and other risks detailed in the company's periodic reports filed with the Security and Exchange Commission. Forward-looking statements reflect management's analysis only as of today. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly release the results of any revision for those forward-looking statements. With that said, let me turn the call over to Kevin Tansley, Chief Financial Officer, for a review of the results. After Kevin's remarks, we will hear from Ronan O'Caoimh on his review of the quarter, after which we will open the call for your questions. Kevin?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Thanks very much, Joe. Today, I will take you through the financial results for quarter 3 2018. Beginning with our revenues. Our total revenues for quarter 3 were $23.7 million, which compares to $25.6 million in quarter 3 of 2017. As Ronan will discuss more details on these revenues later on the call, I will now discuss the rest of the income statement. Our gross margin this quarter was 42.1%, which compares to 43% for the same quarter last year. There are a number of factors which led to this reduction. Firstly, our revenues were lower. As I've mentioned before, this tends to have a negative impact on our margins as our cost base is largely fixed and, hence, is being spread over a smaller volume of sales. Also, a lot of the reduction in revenues this quarter related to African HIV sales, which, by their nature, have higher margins. Meanwhile, currency movements, particularly the sharp decline in the Brazilian real during the quarter, was a significant factor also. Thankfully, we witnessed a significant recovery in the real this quarter since September 30. So hopefully, this will not be as much of a factor going forward. I would like to point out that despite this decline which is -- which will, by the way, would have been a lot more significant both for the cost savings that we introduced this year, gross margins this year are currently running 50 basis points higher than -- this year than last year year-to-date. Moving on to our indirect costs. Our R&D expenses during the quarter fell from $1.5 million to $1.3 million. Meanwhile, our SG&A expenses also decreased, in this case, from $7.8 million to $7.1 million. Again, you are seeing the impact of the cost savings at play. Another factor which has…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And the first question will be from Jim Sidoti of Sidoti & Company.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Can you hear me? Ronan O?Caoimh: Yes, Jim. Yes.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Good. Good. So you talked about some significant investments in capital expenditure, plant, property and equipment in the quarter, and you mentioned the facility in Buffalo. I think you said you invested about $2.7 million. Can you just remind me what that was for and what do you expect to happen from those investments? How do you expect to recoup those investments over the next couple of years?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Yes. Kevin here. The amounts of investments are not -- they're nowhere close to $2.7 million on those investments. Basically, the accounting for the increase in the increase -- it increased in capital expenditure this quarter. So it's about $0.75 million. And what we're doing there is we are expanding our laboratory footprint. Since we acquired the business a number of years ago, the laboratory business had been very growing very steadily. We basically maxed out in terms of where -- in our existing premises. We have moved to newer premises, which gives us now space to continue that level of expansion going forward and also gives us additional space in which to grow our product, i.e., the manufacturing side of the business as well as we put a lot of emphasis on that in the years ahead. So basically, what we're doing here is we're investing for expansion. Ronan O?Caoimh: I mean, I think, Jim, when we bought that business, it was doing $12.5 million; it's now doing $20 million. So we just basically run out of space.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. And you expect that growth to continue then in '19 and '20? Ronan O?Caoimh: Absolutely. I mean, we believe that it will accelerate. I mean, I think in the current quarter, we did 7%, and we've been doing approximately 7% or 8% over the past year. We were more than that, I think, in the previous 2 years. But I think we believe, particularly with the advent of the new integrated processor and reader for immunofluorescence, we believe that can be transformational. And yes, so we believe we can grow this business well into the double digits.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. And then on the last call, you talked about the release of the new reader and the new confirmatory -- the new screening test for HIV in Africa. And you indicated that you thought that would get you back to at least mid-single-digit growth by 2019. Do you still think that those are realistic goals? Ronan O?Caoimh: Yes, we do. I mean, just to recap on what we're doing, I mean, we have been having -- we, up to now, have been manufacturing our HIV product -- our existing HIV confirmatory product in China. And we're now moving that -- we have now moved that to Ireland with a significant cost saving. But in addition to that, we take possession of and take control of manufacturing. But beyond that, we are not just -- we don't intend only manufacturing our existing confirmatory test, but we intend, for the first time, entering into the screening market, which, by definition, is probably 10, 12x bigger than the confirmatory market. So to remind ourselves, Trinity Biotech has dominated and continues to dominate the confirmatory market in Africa. And then Abbott dominates the screening market, running probably 130 million tests annually, them alone, and the total market maybe being bigger than that. And now for the first time, we're entering that market. So we developed a new test called Trin-Screen. It's been developed down in San Diego, and it's been transferred back to Ireland. It is well on its way to WHO independent trials and will then be -- will be submitted to WHO. And we hope that, that product will be WHO approved, manufactured in Ireland at a very reasonable cost of about $0.35 and available to enter into the African market, the screening market for the first time in -- hopefully depending on the timing of WHO audit, et cetera, by quarter 3 of '19, of next year. And we have basically built up our sales team, and we have taken some of them. Alere/Abbot's management team, indeed, the head of their operation. And armed with our reputation for excellence, our dominance of the confirmatory market over the virtual generation, with an excellent new product, with an entirely different recombinant and armed, for the first time, with serious pricing capabilities based on a very efficient automated manufacturing plant here. With the personnel we have on board, we believe that we could take significant market share so that we can operate in both the screening and the confirmatory markets with 2 totally separate products, different products.

James Sidoti

Analyst

So just to be clear, you still think you can return to growth by 2019 even though you lost that contract for the Lyme confirmatory test here in the U.S.? Ronan O?Caoimh: Yes, I do -- we do believe so. Absolutely.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. And then with regards to cash flow. If you didn't spend the money to buy back the notes in the quarter, you actually would have generated cash in the quarter. Do you think you have turned the corner there?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

We think, overall, we have. I think we -- I did mention on the last call that we have a number of residual issues to sort out between now and the end of the year one of the fit-out costs in relation to both of the couple of other items arising at a litigation, which we had brought up in the past, which are being paid out in the second half of this year. We obviously have a note interest payment to be -- to make. Well, actually, physically, we have made it already, but it falls in quarter 4. That will be $2 million. So once we get through that point whereby we clear out those residual issues, we believe in 2019, for 2019 as a whole, we'll be cash flow neutral, if not better. And that's been achieved by virtue of the fact that we have implemented significant savings, which we outlined in more detail last quarter. And also the sort of initiatives, we just referred to there as well. Ronan referred to them in relation to the HIV economies, which will accrue to us next year as well. Ronan O?Caoimh: I think it was in the circumstance of being confident of having reached a cash flow breakeven situation that we had the confidence to go out and buy $15.1 million of the note.

James Sidoti

Analyst

Okay. And then the last one for me is you indicated last quarter that you thought you were on track for about $3 million in cost savings annually. Do you still think that that's a realistic number?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Yes, I do. I mean, if you look at the -- if you look at our R&D costs, they were down. If you look at our SG&A costs, they're down, albeit that was helped by the gain on the repurchase, and also, there was a help in relation to our gross margin this quarter. So the approximate gain this quarter is probably about $700,000. There were some costs associated with implementing those costs during this quarter. So come quarter 4, we will see the full benefits, which is $3 million a year or $750,000 on average per quarter.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question will come from Matt Reiner of Adirondack Funds.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Can you -- on the Lyme customer that you lost, I think you said it was roughly $2.1 million, and I think you said $850,000 impact this quarter. Is -- was this the first quarter that it impacted you?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Yes. Yes, it was. It -- yes, we just lost a contract at basically the start of the quarter. That one is...

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

So that -- I mean, that's about 40% of the $2.1 million. So the -- how would we look at -- how does that roll out to the next...

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Well, because of the fact that Lyme is a seasonal business, typically, quarter 2 and 3 would be the big quarters. So -- but just -- I mean, you have something like 35%, 35%, 15% and 15% in quarter 2, 3, 4 and 1, if you know what I mean. 35%, 35%, 15%, 15%, something like that. Basically -- so the December quarter is a quiet quarter for Lyme, as you can imagine, and so would quarter 1 be. So you got to take most of the hit in quarter 2 and 3.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. So next year, in Q2 of '19, you'll have a little bit of a hit from that not being there anymore. Is that correct?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Yes. I mean, if I had to guess, let's say the impact is going to be something like $350,000 in quarter 4, $350,000 in quarter 1, $700,000 or something in quarter 2 and then $800,000 in quarter 3 -- I don't know if that adds up to $2.1 million but approximately something like that. I think another thing to note is that the adverse P&L impact might not have been quite as large as you would have expected. It doesn't seem to be consistent with our gross margin. And that just reflects probably the pricing -- the purchasing power of -- that can be present in a situation like that, if you know what I mean.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Yes, that -- okay. So it wasn't a great margin business, to begin with.

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

It's still very tight. You lose it, but yes.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Yes. Okay. And then if -- the -- oh, the other question. On the U.S. HIV spending cuts, like how -- I mean, because -- I mean, your -- the Point-of-Care business used to be $19 million, $20 million a few years ago. Now it's $16 million, $17 million, and this year, it looks like it will probably be $14 million or $15 million. It looks like it's down quite a bit this year. Is -- and it seems like it's mostly been U.S. that's hurting you. So can you tell us or show us or give us a little more color on how much U.S. HIV has changed in the last few years as far as spending in there? Ronan O?Caoimh: Well, I mean, the HIV -- the point-of-care HIV market in the U.S. is primarily a public health market. So traditionally, it's been -- and still, it's dominated by OraSure who have saliva test. But it's primarily public health dollars, and basically, it's just the last being spent. The public health segment is just -- it's declining. And I think if you look at -- I don't -- if you look at our competitors' numbers, you'll see that as well. It just continues to decline and -- which is -- in some way, it is surprising because given that HIV is no longer a killer. And if you pick up the HIV positive at the right time and you put people on antiretroviral treatment, they can live normal life spans. So you would have expected actually, if anything, that the market ought to increase, but it -- that hasn't happened.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

But -- so I guess -- I guess, what I'm trying to get at is when I look at that business is the new reality, is that more of a $15 million to $16 million type a year business as opposed to what it used to be? Ronan O?Caoimh: Well, it is at this moment in time. But bear in mind, I spoke a few moments ago about our new Trin-Screen products entering the African screening market. And I think that can make...

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

And that will go -- all right. So that will be in the same segment, but it's a new avenue?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Yes. And just to remind you, we can manufacture that product in Ireland at a cost of about $0.35. The market is actually at $0.85. That's where the pricing is at. And we can compete with an entirely new -- totally different product, completely differentiated from our confirmatory market -- our confirmatory test, and it's very big. But logically, it's 12x, 13x the size of this -- of the confirmatory market albeit at a lower price. But with the manufacturing capability we now have, we can confidently enter that market. Just to mention, too, the trials are going extremely well. We are very satisfied that we have a super product. I don't think you'd be surprised at that. I mean, we have -- we're experts in this area.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. And then on the -- you used to kind of give breakouts of, like, the premier instruments that you had placed. But can you kind of give us an idea of, like, how many are placed now versus...

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

Sorry, I -- yes, I just thought, as I was going through, I realized I haven't said it yet. 75 this quarter.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. 75, this -- and then -- so how many are -- do you have, like, a total of what's out in the market in total?

Kevin Tansley

Analyst

We have gone over -- as of the end, I think, of quarter 1, we actually had about 2,000 that are actually left our factory door. Now that doesn't mean that all of those are actually in the market running. Some people will hold them in inventory. Some of them are actually running demos on them or what have you. So it was about 2,000 of that, so about 20 -- between 2,100, 2,200 at this point.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. And then from the time when people start demoing to when they actually start going into production, is it -- what is it -- can you give us a rough idea what -- how long that usually takes? Ronan O?Caoimh: 3 or 4 months. I mean, it would depend. I think an instrument that goes to China, it probably takes longer to end up in actually working in a lab because -- or in a hospital because they go through a distributor. But I think on average, 4 months would be reasonable to say.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. And then as far as the -- what do I want to say, the reorders on supplies for those instruments, I mean, is that living up to expectations, I mean, as far as how many we're seeing you have placed? And is there, like, a steady predictability to how often they have to get the... Ronan O?Caoimh: Yes. I think all of -- I think in terms of the amount of queues that's running on our instrument, it's more or less in line with our expectations. The only country, I think, where the -- we're behind our expectations and our hopes would -- is China. But I think that's improving. So the number of testing run per Chinese instrument is increasing at about 15% annually. So -- and that really -- that kind of growth level has really emerged in about the last year. So we're very encouraged by what we're seeing there. And then -- and that reflects the fact that GPs, or general practitioners, in China are -- many of them aren't really aware they will -- aren't very able and be aware. So the governments are backing the programs that's full reimbursement. But just the local doctor needs to be educated as to the benefits of it and certainly the older doctors. And that's a bit of a problem in China.

Matthew Reiner

Analyst

Okay. And then last for me is just on the -- as far as your uses for cash or if you stay cash flow positive, are you between deciding to buy back the exchangeable notes or buy back stock? Or what's your -- how are you making that decision? Or what's kind of behind your thoughts on that? Ronan O?Caoimh: Well, I mean, I think that -- I just made the point. We bought back $15 million of the notes. We bought it just from $115 million down to $99.9 million. And certainly, we only did that against the back on the cash flow that we had -- we just had just over just about on cusp of reaching cash flow breakeven. And -- but I do think moving forward that we'd be cognizant of the fact that our cash balance isn't months or so. I think we'd be relatively conservative in what we would do. Not saying we wouldn't do anymore, but we could assume we'd be fairly conservative on the -- there, but I am.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, this will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to hand the conference back over to Ronan O'Caoimh for his closing remarks. Ronan O?Caoimh: Well then, thank you very much, indeed, and we look forward to speaking to you at the next conference call. And goodbye, and good afternoon.

Operator

Operator

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. At this time, you may disconnect your lines.