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TriplePoint Venture Growth BDC Corp. (TPVG)

Q1 2022 Earnings Call· Wed, May 4, 2022

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Company Representatives

Management

Jim Labe - Chief Executive Officer, Chairman of the Board Sajal Srivastava - President, Chief Investment Officer Chris Mathieu - Chief Financial Officer

Operator

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the TriplePoint Venture Growth, BDC Corp., First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time all lines have been placed in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions and instructions will follow at that time. This conference is being record and a replay of the call will be available in an audio webcast on the TriplePoint Venture Growth website. Company management is pleased to share with you the company's results for the first quarter 2022. Today representing the company is Jim Labe, Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board; Sajal Srivastava, President and Chief Investment Officer; and Chris Mathieu, Chief Financial Officer. Before I turn the call over to Mr. Labe, I'd like to direct your attention to the customary Safe-Harbor disclosure in the company's Press Release regarding forward-looking statements and remind you that during this call management will make certain statements that relate to the future events or the company's future performance or financial condition, which are considered forward-looking statements under Federal Securities Law. You are asked to refer to the company's most recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for the important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. The company does not undertake any obligation to update any forward-looking statement or projections unless required by law. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements made during the call, which reflect management's opinions only as of today. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings, please visit the company's website at www.tpvg.com. Now, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Labe. Please go ahead.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining TPVG's first quarter 2022 earnings call. We are pleased with our strong first quarter results. We over-earned our dividend, hit our funding target, increased our portfolio yield and maintained our credit quality. We are on track to carry out our 2022 plans drawing on TPVG’s differentiated platform, our strong earnings generation capabilities and our balance sheet strength. This includes our $125 million private debt offering during the quarter and DBRS recently reaffirming our investment grade rating. The venture capital environment has remained active throughout the recent market choppiness and the demand for venture lending has remained very strong. This has resulted in our largest pipeline globally at our sponsor TriplePoint Capital of more than $2.75 billion as of quarters end. In the first quarter here at TPVG our signed term sheets at venture growth stage companies was more than $650 million, the second highest since our IPO, topped only by the previous quarter. In fact the level of signed term sheets in each of the last two quarters has been running at a rate more than triple that of our quarterly average in all the previous quarters. This level of signed term sheets bodes well for our future debt commitments and increased fundings in 2022. During a time when demand remained strong, we continue to maintain our proven and disciplined approach. We work with a select group of leading venture capital investors and with what we believe to be the highest quality venture growth stage deals. This strategy hasn't changed since our IPO more than eight years ago. We believe our time tested approach has been proven throughout numerous cycles. It positions us well to further deliver strong returns to shareholders as we capitalize on the exciting opportunities ahead…

Sajal Srivastava

Management

Thank you, Jim and good afternoon. As we articulated during our last earnings call, in anticipation of a busy year, our playbook for the first quarter was intended to position our business and our team to prepare for and to execute on driving portfolio growth, sustain credit quality and capital efficiency over the course of the year, while generating strong returns to shareholders. Key objectives for the quarter included increasing funding capacity, while diversifying both the type and cost of capital, maintaining our disciplined approach of originating high quality and high yielding investments, not just for the quarter but for the entire year, and of course demonstrating the earnings power and return potential for our core business. We are pleased to accomplish each of these objectives. Regarding first quarter investor portfolio activity, TriplePoint Capital signed $657 million of term sheets with venture growth stage companies and we closed $126 million of debt commitments to 11 companies of TPVG. Signed term sheets and closed commitments were both up from Q1, 2020 levels – 2021 levels of $192 million and $90 million respectively. We also received warrants valued at $800,000 in 10 portfolio companies and made $2.4 million of direct equity investments in four companies. During the first quarter we funded $63 million in debt investments to 10 portfolio companies, which was the mid-point of our $50 million to $75 million guidance range for Q1, and an increase from $57 million in debt investments to seven companies in Q1, 2021. The debt investments we funded during the quarter carried a weighted average, annualized portfolio yield of 13.3% at origination, which is also up from 12.6% in Q1, 2021. Our core portfolio during the quarter was 12.7%, up from 11.9% in Q1, 2021 and has increased every quarter since then. In addition, as…

Chris Mathieu

Management

Great! Thanks Sajal and hello everybody! During the first quarter we continue to generate substantial core interest income from our high quality loan portfolio. We continue to see favorable utilization rates on new debt commitments to our companies. We deployed capital using our attractive sources of leverage, while maintaining excellent credit quality and diversity. I'll take you through an update on the financial results for the first quarter of 2022. Total investment income was $27.3 million as compared to $20 million for the first quarter of 2021. Our portfolio yield was 15.5% on total debt investments, as compared to 13.3% for the prior year period. The onboarding yields continue to be strong and stable. Given the loan prepayments in the quarter totaled $115.5 million, we reported an elevated weighted average portfolio yield for the period. Operating expenses were $13.8 million as compared to $11.1 million for the first quarter of 2021. Operating expenses for the current quarter consisted of $5 million of interest expense, $3.7 million of management fees, $3.4 million of incentive fees and $1.6 million of G&A expenses. The increase in overall operating expenses is primarily driven by an increase in the portfolio of assets, an increase in the use of attractive leverage and the aggregate growth in pre-incentive fee income. We earned net investment income of $13.5 million or $0.44 per share, compared to just $0.29 per share in the same period last year, and $0.42 per share in the prior quarter. While we experienced limited realized and unrealized valuation events in the first quarter, we did realize and record $3.1 million of net realized losses on investments, resulting from Casper Sleep completing its take-private transaction, and foreign currency adjustments on prepayments, and net unrealized losses on investments of $4.7 million resulting primarily from $3.5 million of…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Finian O’Shea of Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead. Finian O’Shea: Hi everyone! Thanks. Good afternoon! Jim, I appreciate your comments in the beginning on being able to raise your core lending rates. Can you add a little color there on as to how the pipeline is developing for, and what the newer issue yields could look like?

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

So the pipeline as we mentioned, now this is at the platform level is moving more and more to – it’s at record levels and it's continuing to increase, and on an opportunistic basis only there's opportunities here, risk reward to move our yields up a little bit during the course of the year. This is independent of anything that may be going on with interest rate increases such as today, because when demand is strong at the right opportunities, we want to continue to work to increase yield. Finian O’Shea: Sure, that's helpful. And can you describe what opportunistic looks like in the TriplePoint realms, not something I'm sure we've seen in the past. It's usually a very clean, recently capitalized, high growth, you know late stage company. Just curious what you know perhaps struggling or sideways company might look like and where you have been able to… [Cross Talk]

Chris Mathieu

Management

Yeah, no, no, let me jump in. I think opportunistic did not mean with regards to a strategy or – opportunistic meant with regards to our transactions. It's not an across the board rate hike so to speak from our perspective. I think Jim's saying opportunistically as we look to the risk return of transactions or the deal sizes or other characteristics of traditional, the same, the usual venture growth stage investments. You know just because there's so much demand, we actually fundamentally believe we should be charging more given the volatility in the environment. So I'd say we're not suggesting we start an opportunistic lending strategy or anything like that. It's the same old strong demand, high quality, venture backed companies, venture growth based companies that raise significant amounts of equity capital, but we believe again there's – that we’re able at the TriplePoint capital level to charge a premium and we’ve continued to do that.

Jim Labe

Management

Yeah, I would just reinforce it based on reputation, the reference relationships we have in the industry and are able to continue to command a premium in these situations. It's not a separate sector or certain area reserved for companies that we would never touch. Finian O’Shea: Okay, thanks. And just one more on a high level. It sounds like you know this is another pretty good, by the dip side environment for you where you know the IPO market slows, but venture capital keeps getting raised and portfolio companies keep performing well and your capital is more on demand, so you do very well under this environment. But stepping back, this is supposed to be a high risk asset class. So what level of headwinds, whether they come from interest rates or recession or over capitalization, do you think it would take here to thwart the momentum of venture capital? Do you think there's a certain level of headwind that we could see or do you think we're just really still in the early innings of a long run of growth?

Chris Mathieu

Management

I’ll start and then Jim jump in. I mean again, it would be disingenuous to say that there's nothing that could cause headwinds in the venture capital equity or the VC or the techie ecosystem again. We're talking more specifically about the tech and the venture ecosystem with regards to technology companies. But I would say again, we continue to believe that we're in early innings and we look at factors like investment activity, the dry powder of our funds and again, remember the sponsors that we're working with these VC’s are not playing for a quick exit on their portfolio companies, right. They are in, they expect long holding periods for their portfolio companies to exit, and so I think we appreciate and we're glad that they have significant amounts of dry powder and they are deploying it, and then we have both on top of that that our portfolio companies themselves have a significant amount of dry powder, and you know we're layering – so they are using our debt in a thoughtful way. You know we're not bridge financing, we're not here for companies that are unable to raise equity or that had transactions fall apart. Those are not triple point portfolio companies. We're here to help those companies accelerate growth, and the data shows right, those are the companies that are most attractive, both in good times and in volatile times for M&A, for a follow-on equity raise and let the cream rise to the top and so that's why again we think our investment strategy will outperform during volatility, because we focus on such high quality companies that they'll continue to attract, you know get more than the lion’s share of the capital that flows into the asset class. And so you know what will – well, you know I think we're mindful of valuation, right, that's an important metric, and if public comp multiples get clobbered even further, then it's hard to argue that a private company despite their higher growth rates should get you know the same or higher multiple and so we’re just cognizant of that. But again, data is showing and the reality is that our companies are again quite durable and performing well from a fund raising and overall financial performance perspective. Finian O’Shea: Got it! Thanks so much.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Christopher Nolan of Ladenburg Thalmann. Please go ahead.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Hey guys! Just to start out with, Jim did you mention prepayments to-date? I missed it there.

Jim Labe

Management

I don't think we…

Chris Mathieu

Management

Here, the second – sorry.

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

I talked about fundings to-date since the quarter. It's been $49 million as of today.

Chris Mathieu

Management

And in today's earnings release we mentioned that we’ve had $26 million of pre-payment so far in Q2.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Great! Given geographically, how has your investment portfolio changed? Given there’s a strong growth in Texas and Florida and so forth like that, has the geographic mix of your portfolio changed much and what does that sort of speak towards your operating expenses going forward?

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

From a geographic standpoint there really hasn't been perhaps some small shifts quarter-to-quarter, but overall the majority of our U.S. business is in the hot beds of Silicon Valley where we're headquartered, as well as out in New York and actually New York has been on the increase as a second market now for venture capital. We don't have any targeted geographic approach in terms of cities or dispersions like that, but the overwhelming amount of our business, I think is going to continue to be New York, Silicon Valley, Boston and SoCal, those kinds of areas.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

And then finally, just a follow-up on Fin's question, are you seeing any improvements or strengthening in the terms and conditions for your loan investments?

Jim Labe

Management

Yes, its Sajal here. You know I’d say the good news is we've tried to be consistent. I think that's one of the reasons why our portfolio companies choose us and so we're thoughtful in terms of how we’re structured. I would say you know the good news is we're definitely focusing on companies that have larger equity capital bases and more recent rounds of financing to validate the investor support, to validate their current kind of enterprise value. So I would say for us it's more on the credit side than on the structuring side in terms of how we operate during volatile times.

Christopher Nolan

Analyst

Great! Thank you. That’s it for me.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Kevin Fultz of JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Kevin Fultz

Analyst

Hi! Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my questions. You know as you mentioned in your prepared remarks, quarter-to-date investment fundings totaled $49 million, which is tracking above the prior forecast of $5,200 million and as you discussed are expected to exceed $100 million for the quarter. Just curious if you could talk about the investment environment more broadly and how the investment landscape has improved since you last updated in March?

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

Yeah, I would say kind of consistent with what we said last quarter, again – I mean a certain element of it Kevin is you know that Q1 is always a lighter quarter for us given how busy Q4 is generally and then we build up pipeline and momentum over the course of the year. So I would say that the targets that we've given of increasing funding quarter-over-quarter is consistent with our past practices. I would say from the increase here in Q2, there’s a little bit of spillover and timing from investments that could have closed or funded in Q1. It's been from just you know the overall pipeline growth and then I think the third bucket is a little bit of utilization by existing portfolio companies as their own funding commitments come to expiration or closer to expiration. You know I would like to point out that we're – just like we saw in Q1 2020 right, during periods of volatility our portfolio companies, given their stability and resiliency, you don't see a run on the bank, you don't see this draw on cash and maintaining excess liquidity just to have that liquidity right, because they are all well capitalized to begin with. In fact what we saw right, is the significant amount of prepayment activity in Q1, which again is again a testament to quality, so. So I’d say kind of it's just a consistent story we've been telling for that the past several quarters of this you know, again portfolio growth, the demand in the market, just our discipline in terms of how we're underwriting. We're not doing anything different. If anything, we’re again being a little tougher given the overall volatility, but we're pleased with what we're seeing from market demand and market quality.

Kevin Fultz

Analyst

Okay, that's really helpful. And just digging a little more into prepayments, just curious what your expectations are for the cadence of prepayments, including visibility in the current quarter?

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

Chris, you want to take that one?

Chris Mathieu

Management

Well, I can speak to the quarter-to-date information. So we have one obligor prepay already this quarter generating additional accelerated income of a little over $1 million. So as I think Sajal and others have communicated, it's really tough to anticipate prepayments given that we have a mature portfolio with different year of vintages. We know that prepayments occur; it's a natural part of the venture lending model, so it will happen. It likely will have another prepay before the end of this quarter, which is hard to estimate kind of the quantum or the size of those prepayments. But we've had $26 million, $26.5 million so far this quarter in principle prepayment.

Kevin Fultz

Analyst

Okay, that makes sense, and I'll leave it there. Congratulations on a nice quarter!

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you.

Chris Mathieu

Management

Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Crispin Love of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Q - Crispin Love

Analyst

Thanks. Good afternoon! So just one on the broader environment and the belated volatility that you've been talking about a little bit. So you think you've been benefiting from the volatility that we've seen in the private and public market valuations, where you have companies that raised equity in the past year or so, don't want to raise a down round and again said, add debt through you. And do you – and would this be a tailwind for you over the near term and how long do you think that tailwind could last.

A - Sajal Srivastava

Analyst

Yeah, let me start and then Jim can jump in please. So definitely seeing some benefits. I think you know Jim mentioned this in his prepared remarks. You know during the more robust periods, we saw companies raising follow-on equity rounds every six to 12 months, because in particular those private market, later stage investors were significantly valuing and rewarding kind of growth and willing to pay significant premiums sooner. You know the normal model is to raise an equity round every 12 to 24 months and so during more robust times, aggressive times, let’s say from the equity markets raising more frequently. So what we're seeing now is again going back to the more thoughtful approach of raising an equity round every 12 to 18 months, and so the portfolio companies are layering in. So these are companies that have either raised or raising or layering in venture debt to complement that capital. Now let’s say, I definitely don't think it's to avoid a down around. I think again the data points within the companies that we have raised you know equity here in Q1 were primarily up rounds and so I think it's again, they are not at the peak multiples and the valuations that they may have been in the past, and so rather than raise more than they used to, they say ‘Great! Let's – Hey! We didn't max out on the multiple. Let's raise an appropriate amount and then instead of raising too much or more than we normal, we’ll complement it with venture debt’ and so I think that's the really healthy, the really exciting, the thing that we’re particularly pleased about when we see the current demand from the quality of companies we are looking for. I think the second thing too is we're also seeing companies in sectors that again were very attractive to equity investors. I would say software in particular, where they are coming to the debt markets versus last year, you know running into the equity markets and getting you know ten term sheets, and so again it's just – we’re seeing great companies looking for debt for the right reasons.

Jim Labe

Management

You know I can't really add much. I think that covers it nicely, but you know we've done this for decades and valuation uncertainties and some softening of valuations which are going on out there are all continued opportunities here for debt, but we are not out to replace a scenario of a down round or anything like that. These are scenarios where the companies Sajal mentioned are well capitalized. They are augmenting and enhancing their financing and strategies by layering in and putting in place debt, not you know as a replacement, because there’s down round around the corner, at least for our company.

Q - Crispin Love

Analyst

Okay, great, thank you. That's helpful color there. And then you put up two consecutive very strong quarters for net investment income. So I'm just curious if you could speak to how the board might be thinking about the regular distribution level or potential for a special distribution going forward. Just any color there would be great.

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

Yeah, I’d say listen, again we're – we've got a playbook and we've got a strategy. We've been talking for several quarters and so for us it's getting to target size and scale, getting the portfolio to consistently stay at a certain level, getting leverage to maintain at a certain consistent leverage level and then you'll see the see the ROE’s and the NII we can generate. So I'd say again, we're very much focused on the full fiscal year, not on a quarter-to-quarter basis and so I would say listen, let us continue to deliver and have this conversation you know with our board in particular after a couple more quarter. But again, if we keep doing what we're doing, it's hard to argue that this business is not going to demonstrate even you know – would continue to demonstrate such strong return and NII performance.

Q - Crispin Love

Analyst

Great! Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Casey Alexander of Compass Point. Please go ahead.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Yeah hi! Good afternoon. A lot of my questions have already been asked, but earlier in the presentation you rattled off a bunch of portfolio companies that have been acquired and I didn't quite catch that. If you could run through that again and in what period were they acquired?

A - Jim Labe

Analyst

Sure Casey. So again, we had two portfolio companies in Q1 that completed their SPAC mergers, so Inspirato and Sonder. Casper in Q1 closed its take-private transaction; the Fuze closed its acquisition in Q1 as well, and finally so did NomNomNow, which was acquired by Mars Petcare. And then the two other companies we mentioned, Transfix and Growth had previously announced their SPAC mergers last year. They have not closed yet, but they continue to make progress.

Casey Alexander

Analyst

Okay, alright that's the only question I have. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The next question comes from Ryan Lynch of KBW. Please go ahead.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Hey! Good afternoon! One housekeeping question, can you provide the total level of prepayment income recorded in Q1 of 2022. I know you had $4.5 million in the fourth quarter you know when you reported. Q4 I know you said you had already raised $3 million in Q1. I just wanted to know where that settled down at.

Jim Labe

Management

Go ahead Chris.

Chris Mathieu

Management

Yeah so, kind of in the aggregate prepayment income, and that's a combination of accelerated EOT prepayment fees and whatnot is aggregate $4.5 million, a little over $4.5 million.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

Okay, that’s helpful. And then the only other question I had was, you mentioned some volatility in kind of the high growth that your markets, maybe some reset valuations creating, and longer potential timeline for liquidity events or IPO’s presenting an opportunity for venture lenders as a complement to expand the runway. I’m just wondering though, on the flip side of that, from a credit standpoint, I mean we have seen some public equity that are extremely high growth, that are cash flow negative or not profitable businesses today. That are you still you know as far as fundamentals are still performing well or how they [inaudible] as some quarters are down 80% in the last six months. Has that sort of valuation changed flow through into these high growth non-profitable business in the venture state and what happens if that sort of correction, 50% plus correction happens in some of your portfolio companies, just broadly in the market. What does that means for credit quality?

Jim Labe

Management

Yeah, a very thoughtful quarter there Ryan. So I’d say first is, you know again as we look to – there’s some element of discrepancy between the multiples paid for private companies versus public companies and so it's never, you know it’s never the same per say. Generally the private companies have always gotten premiums to the public companies because they've been growing at a higher growth rates. And so in an environment where your public comps are getting clobbered or you know the exit environment may be challenging, right, I think the key thing is to look at the playbook of our portfolio companies, right. It’s about growth is important, but uncontrolled growth or unprofitable growth right, don't make sense. And so you know growing at a slower rate still means growing, but it means that you can extend your runway and you can weather the time for raising your next round to potentially an environment where multiples come back or the environment is different, right, and I think that’s inherent element of what all of our companies are doing. They are not at full growth potential, because they know again there's volatility. They know there is – you know multiples are often the public markets, and so you know I think they are all being mindful and wise in terms of cash burn and that's also again another reason why they are looking to our debt and using our debt. But I think again you have to go back to the fundamental value of technology companies and the value they create in our everyday lives and the economy as a whole, and the importance of being in place and that makes them attractive. It makes an attractive to follow-on private capital for new investments; it makes them attractive from – to raise capital from their existing investors, where let's say the new investors may not find – may for some reason not be deploying capital within their existing investors. Will look to protect their investments, preserve the runway, give these companies time to weather the storm. And then the third element is you know the M&A environment, right, of having no scenarios and these companies pursue exists, where we as a lender are quite pleased because again we get paid back in full, we have prepayment penalties, and we get some form of gain. So I'd say listen, it's volatile – that’s why I use the word volatile. It's not up into the right and it's not down to the left. It's up and down and that's why again certain sectors continue to outperform, certain sectors may be more volatile and certain maybe out of it.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

I mean just on anchors [ph], its important. I mean in Europe, can you – and this is maybe not your portfolio specifically, but maybe just a broader venture state, have valuations you think fully reset in the venture space, because of the same extent that happened in public markets, because it feels like it’s only a matter of time before that would need to happen if it hasn't happened. Again, I was talking about very strong companies in public markets. They are just not profitable and had a complete sort of reset in valuations which has to trickle down to the private market, because that is eventually going to feed their comp. Do you think that reset has happens in the private market, it's happening now or still needs to happen further in the future?

Jim Labe

Management

You know, I'll start and feel free to add Sajal, but I think reset is a very strong word. I haven't heard that in the venture ecosystem here. I think it's a little bit more. Again, we're focused on just technology, but there are continuing generational moves in technology. It’s just completely changing the whole trends here and I think because there’s some public market changes for a quarter or two when we're dealing with private markets, gets a little bit extreme. But it comes down to in talking to venture capitalists. The future is likely to have, as long as there’s good companies, good growth, some reasonable valuations, they said things are just going to be, going just well. So I think rests is a strong work. There’s been in particularly early stage companies, again more platform here, not just venture growth stage. Last quarter, there were actually increases in valuations and I think that's going to continue in the Series A, the early stage in the seed. As I mentioned, it's at the venture growth stage, later stage to spend some softening evaluations. Yes, it was huge doubling of public markets. There was a spike last year over the previous 18 months. In private market valuations, things do need to moderate a little bit, but resetting or dropping 80% things like that, at least the companies and the venture folks we are running with, there is a softening of those later stage growth ones. We are benefiting from it, but I don't think what's happening last quarter in the stock market is now a predictor for the future of the venture private market valuation.

Sajal Srivastava

Management

I mean I'd only add, I mean that’s why we are lender, so let's also keep the context, right. So from our perspective valuation is nice and is important, but it's not the critical metric for us where we are underwriting our portfolio companies and the good news is we are in the debt side of the balance sheet. So from our perspective, when we care about valuation, I think to your point Ryan is, we’re somewhat indifferent when it comes to valuation right. We just want to make sure that this company can raise incremental capital and/or make sure that there's an exit event that potential in a downside scenario. So, I would say listen, I'm not here to protect valuations, I'm not here to justify valuations. I think we're here, more focused on making sure that companies continue to raise capital. Because as a lender, that's what matters to us most and so if it's overvalued or undervalued, we are somewhat indifferent, because our core return is generated from the debt side of the equation not from the equity kicker.

Ryan Lynch

Analyst

That's helpful context. I appreciate the valuable time of this afternoon. Thanks guys.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jim Labe for any closing remarks.

Jim Labe

Management

Thank you, operator. We're very happy to share our first quarter results with everyone and as always, like to thank everyone for participating in the call, and we look forward to talking to you all again next quarter. Hope you share our excitement. Thanks again. Good bye!

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.