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Taseko Mines Limited (TGB)

Q1 2016 Earnings Call· Fri, May 13, 2016

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Taseko First Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, today’s conference may be recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mr. Brian Bergot, Vice President-Investor Relations. Sir please go ahead.

Brian Bergot

Analyst

Thank you, Lis. Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to Taseko Mines’ First Quarter 2016 Results Conference Call. My name is Brian Bergot; and I’m the Vice President, Investor Relations for Taseko. Our financial results were issued yesterday after market close and are available on our website at tasekomines.com. Before we begin, I would like to introduce everyone on the call today. We have Russ Hallbauer, President and CEO of Taseko; John McManus, COO of Taseko; and Stuart McDonald, Taseko’s Chief Financial Officer. After opening remarks by management, which will review first quarter business and operational results, we will open the phone lines to analysts and investor for a question-and-answer session. I would like to remind our listeners that our comments and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking information. This information, by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from the actual outcome. Please refer to the bottom of our latest news release for more information. I will now turn the call over to Russ for his remarks.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Thank you, Brian. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today to discuss our Q1 results. During the first quarter of 2016, we effectively broke even in terms of earnings from mining operations. With the production cost denominated in U.S. dollars per pound being roughly equivalent to our selling price for the quarter. The results are consistent with how we viewed 2016 unfolding with respect to anticipated to copper prices and the head grades we would process during the first half of the year. And the effects it would have on our cost structure and our ultimate financial performance. Stuart will speak to those in a few minutes. We will have as communicated in the past a similar type of year in 2016 as we had in 2015 in terms of great profile, low at the beginning of the year increased in the later part of the year. We have done well on our costs and recovery year-to-date. Year-to-date our head grades is approximately 0.23% copper and we achieved 84.4% of recovery. Recovery is most certainly influenced by head grades we are achieving nearly 85% recovery with the head grade in mine is pretty impressive. And as we move forward over the second half of 2016 both head grade and recovery will both increase. In very simplistic terms once we get through this path we would expect to grade and our grade increases we will see a drop in strike cost per pound, but the spend being relatively consistent and head grade increasing by 15% towards year end. And ultimately we can see our on-site cost dropping back to the $1.45 to $1.55 range that we have seen in the past. In conjunction with the significantly declining property costs which we would negotiate in terms of ocean freight…

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Thanks and good morning, everyone. As Russ already noted our head grades, lower than normal in the quarter and that resulted in lower copper production. And this combined with the challenging copper price environment that we're in resulted in breakeven operating margins at Gibraltar for the period. Total operating costs were $2.11 per pound produced and the realized sales price was $2.10 per pound. Earnings from mine operations before depreciation were negative $300,000 for the quarter, so effectively breakeven. Cash flow from operations was negative $4.1 million and includes corporate and other costs and also working capital movement. And adjusted EBITDA was a similar number of negative $4.5 million for the quarter. Copper revenues were $64 million from the sales of 22 million pound of payable copper, which is our 75% share at Gibraltar volumes. The U.S. dollar price of copper was quite volatile in the period, dropped to below $2 a pound in mid-January, and then recovered in February and March. But much of that U.S. dollar price volatility was offset by currency movement, and the Canadian dollar strengthened significantly in February and March. On the cost side, we’re able to maintain our site operating costs that the low level achieved in the fourth quarter of last year. Off property costs came in at $0.33 per pound, which is down from $0.39 a pound a year ago, as we benefited from the new long-term contracts for ocean freight and treatment and refining costs. Other significant items affecting the P&L this quarter included $2.8 million of cost related to the proxy contest in the special shareholder meeting that was requisition mid-January. And unrealized foreign exchange gain of $19.6 million, which relates to the impact of the strengthening Canadian dollar on a U.S. dollar denominated debt and stock-based compensation expense of…

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Thank you, Stuart. Operator, we’d like to open the line of calls please.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Adam Mitchell with Polar Asset Management. Your line is now open.

Adam Mitchell

Analyst

Hi guys. Just a quick question, what if any plans you guys have to adjust the 2019 maturity? Have you thought about it yet or…

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Certainly. It’s Stuart speaking here. We certainly think about it, we've got still some time obviously before 2019. And we talk to advisors and look for different things, but nothing – nothing, we've seen it has made sense yet, so that’s kind of where it is today.

Adam Mitchell

Analyst

Okay. And second question if I may, the rational for driving that $20 million under the secured facility.

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Yes. We had – I guess we had bond interest payment due in April. We’re in the lower grade section of the mine plant as Russ described, and so just one has to crystalize that and keep a reasonable cash balance here in the first half of the year. So…

Adam Mitchell

Analyst

Okay, thank you.

Stuart McDonald

Analyst

Yes.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Orest Wowkodaw with Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

All right, good morning, guys. Thanks for the cost guidance that you gave us. I was wondering if you could also give us some direction or cost per ton in terms of these onsite cost. If you are expecting cost per pound to be in the $1.75 to $1.85 by year-end, where do you cost per ton milled onsite please?

John McManus

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Hi, Orest. This is John here. The per ton milled will stay around the $9 – between $9 and $9.50, that’s our plan. As we start to get into better grades we’re going to go through calls, but we also get better recovery. So it just balances out of that $9 to $9.50 a ton.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

And should we anticipate something similar for 2017?

John McManus

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Yes. We’ve really stabilized the operation out, the guys have got there, their arm is around it and it’s a pretty – day-to-day they’ve got pretty good here and what’s going to happen.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Look, I think by the time we develop our new budget for the next…

John McManus

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

By August we’ll probably get some – maybe in our next call.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Yes, certainly. Yes, maybe by the next call, we should know what we’re going to be looking at the grade in 2017 or so. And we think generally speaking John said right now we’re going to be returning to more of that $0.29 to $0.3 head grade area. So that will be timely for us overall.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

And then that’s for 2017, the $0.29 to $0.3?

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Yes…

John McManus

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

That’s what it’s looking like, yes, we’re working on it now, but it looks pretty good.

Orest Wowkodaw

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

All right. Thanks a lot guys.

John McManus

Analyst · Scotia Bank. Your line is now open.

Yes.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We have a question from the line of Pierre Vaillancourt with Laurentian. Your line is now open.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Hi guys, I’m wondering if you could just review your CapEx going forward here just.

John McManus

Analyst

Hi, it’s John here. So really other than capital stripping which varies depending on where we are in the pit, there is not much going forward. But this year we got a bit time some geo technical, the watering infrastructure less than $2 million and then I don’t see any different for next year. I mean we’ve made the investment into this place, it’s done.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay. So going forward for the year, that number when…

John McManus

Analyst

Yes. We’ve got all the gear we need in this new, so we don’t really need to put a lot of more capital investment into…

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. I think I’ve told you. I think we’ve talked about it. We do things a little differently than some of the other mining companies, but basically we allocated cost per ton mined in terms of capital. And John and I figured that it’s right around $0.10 per ton. And so this year we’re going do probably – what we’re going to do now like $5 million or $6 million of capital?

John McManus

Analyst

No, no, not even.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Not even that.

John McManus

Analyst

No.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

So next year, it will work all over time here. So at the worst if you say that we’re going to move $80 million or $85 million ton, that’s all material and you say that’s a $0.10 there, CAD$8 million.

John McManus

Analyst

Yes. That’s on average. We’ve just come through a high capital spend so we’re in a low part of the cycle…

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Yes.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay.

John McManus

Analyst

But that’s later on.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

We got – John right now got eight truck part, so we don’t want to spend any capital on truck, when we get – once we want to ramp up a bit.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay. So just to summarize, you’re roughly $8 million which is built into your cost per ton in addition to the $2 million or so for our capitalized stripping?

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

No, no. It’s not built into cost per ton. It’s an average over the life of the mine, you run about $0.10 capital.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay, okay.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

It’s just an estimate for sustaining capital average.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay, okay. But that’s the number though?

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Yes.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

It’s $8 million in the capitalized stripping.

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Right, yes.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Up $2 million?

John McManus

Analyst

I don’t – we don’t have any big capital until we decide to move our …

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

That’s right, that’s 2020, 2021, I think.

John McManus

Analyst

Yes. So we feel like they are long ways.

Pierre Vaillancourt

Analyst

Okay, thanks very much.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions]

Russ Hallbauer

Analyst

Okay, folks. It looks like those are all the questions. Thanks very much. These are getting shorter and shorter every quarter. So see you at the end of the next quarter and have a nice summer.

John McManus

Analyst

Cheers.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today’s conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.