Operator
Operator
At this time, I’d like to turn the conference over to Brent Ward, Director, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
TransAlta Corporation (TAC)
Q2 2014 Earnings Call· Wed, Jul 30, 2014
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Operator
Operator
At this time, I’d like to turn the conference over to Brent Ward, Director, Corporate Finance and Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Brent Ward
Management
Thank you, Brock. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the TransAlta second quarter 2014 conference call. I’m Brent Ward, Director of Public Finance and Investor Relations. With me today are Dawn Farrell, President and Chief Executive Officer; Donald Tremblay, Chief Financial Officer; Brett Gellner, Chief Investment Officer; John Kousinioris, Chief Legal and Compliance Officer; and Todd Stack, Vice President and Treasurer. The call today is webcast and I encourage those listening on the phone lines to view the supporting slides which are available on our website. A replay of the call will be available later today and the transcript will be posted to our website shortly thereafter. All information provided during this conference call is subject to the forward-looking statement qualification, which is detailed in the MD&A and incorporated in full for the purposes of today’s call. The amounts referenced are in Canadian currency unless otherwise stated. The non-IFRS terminology used including comparable gross margin, comparable EBITDA, funds from operations, free cash flow and comparable earnings are reconciled in the MD&A. On today’s call, Dawn and Donald will provide overview of our operational and financial performance for the second quarter, provide an update on recent events, in particular, our South Hedland project in Australia and activities and then open it up to questions. With that, let me turn the call over to Dawn.
Dawn Farrell
President
Thanks, Brent, and welcome, everyone, lots to talk about today. Today I’ll review our Q2 financial results. I’ll provide a quick market update and review how we’re tracking against the targets we set for ourselves for the first six months of the year. Our big news this quarter, of course, is the announcement of the build of the South Hedland power station in Western Australia. I’ll provide some additional color on that deal and I’ll give you my perspective on why this is such a strong investment for our shareholders. So first, let me start with my assessment of Quarter 2. Overall, the quarter was very straightforward and had no real surprises in it. We had expected and accounted for some of the lower power prices we saw in Alberta in our annual guidance. Our guidance continues to be FFO in the range of CAD743 million to CAD793 million. Our team delivered our plan and achieved the expected availability and operational performance across the fleet and our Canadian coal team delivered their availability targets, which is very positive news. I did not expect higher performance in the quarter and it was our ability to hit our availability targets and the diversity of our asset base that allowed our Centralia operations to offset some of the additional pricing weakness across the Alberta fleet. Our strategy of hedging the total portfolio and using asset optimization tools paid off. So overall, I’m giving our team full credit for achieving our Q2 financial goals. The quarter is CAD34 million below the same quarter in 2013. Higher availability in the coal fleet and stronger optimization dollars at Centralia could not offset the impact of prices that dropped to CAD42 an megawatt hour in Alberta compared to CAD123 a megawatt hour a year ago, a 66%…
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you. As Dawn mentioned earlier, we saw (a slowing of operational) performers across the fleet during the second quarter. Canadian Coal EBITDA shows significant improvement year-over-year, delivering CAD83 million compared to CAD48 million for the same period last year. The team continued to achieve solid operational performance and improve our availability. In 2013, we had to buy or sell financial contract at higher price due to lower than expected generation caused by unplanned outage. Since then, we have slightly changed our hedging approach and now carry higher length insurance which should potentially reduce the impact of high price during unplanned outage. US Coal delivered CAD14 million in EBITDA compared to CAD21 million for the same period last year. We have been able to optimize a plan to short-term financial transaction and physical accretion of the (inaudible) to offset part of the holding up of higher priced contract included in last year results. On a year-to-date basis, US Coal delivered CAD31 million of EBITDA compared to CAD33 million in the same period in 2013. This is a great result by the team. Normally, during Q2, Centralia would be economically dispatched but this year we generate 370 gigawatt hours at a positive margin. Lower Alberta pricing impact our (public lead) gas facility, wind and hydro segments, each down year over year. Our hydro segment, in particular, was impacted considerably by lower pricing. Remember that our hydro asset has a (inaudible) and will receive a fixed capacity payment which answer we get a base level return on these assets but we can’t enhance our return by bidding into the ancillary market and using flexibility provided by the storage at some of our facilities. In 2013, we were able to capture considerable value from the ancillary market and optimizing storage due to extremely…
Brent Ward
Management
Thank you, Donald. We will answer questions from the investment community first and then open up the call to the media, as per our normal practice. I would also remind you that my team and I will be available after the call for any follow-up questions that you have. Brock, we’ll now take questions.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the analyst question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Our first question today comes from Linda Ezergailis of TD Securities. Please go ahead. Linda Ezergailis – TD Securities: Thank you. I have a question about Keephills 3 and Genesee 3. Your partner talked about some transmission D rates affecting those plants in the quarter and I’m just wanted to get a sense of maybe some of your trading mitigating that or there was not so much of an impact for you. And then they also mentioned some operational issues at K 3 and, again, I was wondering if I could get a bit more granularity from you on that front.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, Linda, on… I mean, we didn’t see that… transmission D rates up in that area can happen from time to time and we absorb that sort of the normal risk we have in the business. K 3 has had some teething problems both in the bag house and… I’m just trying to think of the word… but… sorry?
Unidentified Corporate Participant
Analyst · TD Securities
Gear box.
Dawn Farrell
President
The gear boxes on the pulverizers. Okay, got it. We’ve been working through both of those issues with Hitachi and certainly our partner, Capital Power, and ourselves… I mean, we run the plant, so we’ve been taking the lead on that and most of that issue will be behind us by the end of the summer here. But it’s not a… I mean, we’ve had some D rates on the plant as a result of that and there is a bit of reduction in revenue but it hasn’t affected our guidance for our company. Linda Ezergailis – TD Securities: Okay. That’s helpful to know. And maybe this is a question for Donald. How much… what was the magnitude of the reversal of the write down of the coal inventories at Centralia?
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
Could you repeat your question, please? Linda Ezergailis – TD Securities: Oh, sorry. At Centralia, the coal inventory, there was a reversal of a write down in the quarter and I’m just wondering if you could give us a sense of magnitude.
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
For what gets CAD4 million and it’s basically like following an increase in price in the Pacific Northwest market, so we haven’t been able to reevaluate our inventory. Linda Ezergailis – TD Securities: Great, thank you. And just one final question. What’s your updated thinking on TransAlta Renewables and how you might meter the timing of asset sales to capital market receptivity as well as your financing needs for South Hedland versus maybe doing secondary offerings instead, additional ones?
Dawn Farrell
President
Well, we continue to… we see TransAlta Renewables as a source of financing and we can use it for either funding existing assets that we have or finding new assets. So it’s kind of one of the tools that we have in our back pocket here in terms of financing growth generally. But we… at this point, we have no specific plans for it and when we do, you’ll know. Linda Ezergailis – TD Securities: Great, thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question is from Paul Lechem of CIBC. Please go ahead. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Thank you, good morning. There’s a line in the MD&A which says that you deferred one of your outages from 2014 to 2015. I’m wondering if you can give some comments about that. And if that’s the case, your (saving) capital expenditures, your major maintenance outage expenditure forecast hasn’t changed for the year. So I was just wondering all of…
Brent Ward
Management
Can you… we’re having a hard time hearing you. Can you repeat the question? Paul Lechem – CIBC: I’m sorry.
Dawn Farrell
President
You’re talking in and out, Paul. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Is that better?
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Okay. Sorry about that. Yeah, just a question about there’s a comment in your MD&A about the deferral of one of your outages from 2014 to 2015. Wondering if you can comment on that and also your major maintenance budget for the year hasn’t changed from previous quarters. So if you’re deferring an outage, I would have thought there’d be… the budget would have come down. So I’m just wondering if you can give some thoughts about that.
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
So that deferral is (inaudible), so that’s one of the unit opened by one of our partner and it’s only… it’s not a (inaudible) amount. I think it’s in the range of CAD10 million of CapEx. That’s why we say it’s still within the range that we provided the beginning of the year. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Okay. (Inaudible) the table expenditure, sustaining expenditure budget of CAD335 million to CAD365 million, is that a good figure? Are you comfortable with that figure going forward from 2014? Should that be the run rate that we should expect over the coming years?
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
That’s the guidance that we’re providing for 2014. We believe it’s a sustainable number. It may vary around it but we believe it’s a sustainable CapEx number. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Okay, thanks. On South Hedland, the cost that you originally estimated back in I think April was AUD550 million and now the final number’s AUD570 million. I’m just wondering what changed for the additional AUD20 million.
Brett Gellner
Analyst · CIBC
Paul, it’s Brett. Just refinement between when we’re selected to now but just recognize that that capital we get a return on and of, so it wasn’t like it repaired the returns of the project. That was part of the agreement is we could finalize the capital cost once we were selected as preferred bidders and once we did that work, that’s where it ended up. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Okay. Last question in the press release for South Hedland, you talk about 25 year PPA with Horizon Power and Fortescue but it says it may be expanded to accommodate additional customers. Does that mean that the actual power plant itself can be expanded or what does that comment mean?
Brett Gellner
Analyst · CIBC
Yeah, correct. There’s an opportunity to expand the capacity at the site if we were to bring in another party and so that’s… we’ll keep you posted on progress on that but, yeah, there is the ability to put additional megawatts there. Paul Lechem – CIBC: Can you give us a sense of would that be essentially doubling that plant? Would that be another AUD570 million expenditure or could it be expanded in smaller increments than that?
Brett Gellner
Analyst · CIBC
Yeah, it’s probably maybe another unit, Paul, another around 6000. So maybe 50 megs kind of range. Paul Lechem – CIBC: I got you. All right. Thank you very much.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from Charles Fishman of Morningstar. Please go ahead. Charles Fishman – Morningstar: Congratulations on South Hedland. The question I have concerning the project is it’s my understand that Fortescue piece of the PPA is primarily serving their mine in that region and, Brett, certainly when I discussed this with him after you announcement, explained to me that you have a lot of confidence in that mine continuing its operation because of its low cost. But my question is if that 10, 20 years down the road, that mine closes for some reason, is the PPA you have in place have a fixed portion that provides you still with that 10% after tax IRR that you show on Slide 7?
Brett Gellner
Analyst · Morningstar
Yeah, so first of all, this plant is not servicing the mine. This is servicing the port. The Solomon deal we did in 2012 had the mine, okay. So this is really around servicing the load at the port, so for all the activity around that area, so that’s point number one. And then, yeah, I mean, we’ve set up the projects so that they have 25 year life contractedness to them based on what’s going on, so that is the agreement we have with our out takers. Charles Fishman – Morningstar: So the port, though, mostly a good piece of the activity at the port is servicing that mine, correct?
Brett Gellner
Analyst · Morningstar
Well, it exports. It’s a big export for iron ore. It’s, I think one of the largest, definitely in Australia, so that is where all the iron ore gets exported. But, yeah, stuff comes in as well, too. Charles Fishman – Morningstar: Okay, then I would assume then that if something happened though to the mine the activity at the port would diminish, the power demand would diminish and then… so what I believe the answer I heard was your PPA covers that, granted low probability outcome but a possibility.
Dawn Farrell
President
First of all, the PPA is covered for the 25 years. They have an obligation to pay us regardless of what the activity is. So it’s not contingent on what the activity is. Secondly, a higher proportion of the power goes to Horizon. Horizon is the local government state-owned company that supplies all of the region. The demand up there is growing because it’s not just a port for Fortescue. It’s a port for everybody and there’s a lot of power requirements in order to grow that whole area to ship minerals out to China. So I think net-net it’s an efficient low-cost power station. Almost all the power stations in Western Australia are simple cycle, LM6000s. This will be in combined cycle, so it’s got huge efficiencies on gas. It’s definitely going to be lower in the sack in terms of all the (plant) that gets dispatched in that reason. So personally, I don’t have a big concern that 20 years from now that plant’s going to be the one that’s not going to be run. Charles Fishman – Morningstar: Okay. That’s sounds like a great set for what you’ve stated as your strategy. So congratulations, again.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, thank you.
Operator
Operator
Our next question comes from Andrew Kuske of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Andrew Kuske – Credit Suisse: Thank you. Good morning. Just continuing on South Hedland, just sort of curious on how you thought about this in terms of capital allocation from a parent co perspective. The price per meg is obviously inflated versus anything you do in North America. I understand the dynamics in Western Australia and it’s just difficult to build some projects there on the cost parameters. You normally see them in Alberta. You’re getting return on capital. The seven times EBITDA is attractive. Do you think about this asset and the profile of this asset being an investment on seven times but being worth 10? And then I guess the follow up to that is are you largely insulated from overrun potential that happens sometimes in Western Australia?
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, so I mean, for us in our business, if you can build an asset at seven times, that’s a great asset. It’s competitive. And if you’ve got it contracted over 25 years, I mean, it’s just a nice, stable set of cash flow for our investors. In terms of the way the… it is an EPC contract, so it is a fixed price with IHI. So IHI has taken on a significant portion of the risk they have to deliver. There’s penalties if they don’t. They built a number of power stations in Western Australia, so they have the experience. They’re an experienced contractor there and we’ve spent hundreds of hours with them, probably thousands of hours with them and thousands of pages of documentation making sure that the scope was the scope that we wanted and that’s the price that they gave us for that scope. So I think we’re fairly insulated from cost overruns and particularly in the right places. They’ve taken on the construction and the labor and all that sort of thing. So I think it’s a great project. Andrew Kuske – Credit Suisse: Okay, that’s helpful.
Dawn Farrell
President
And why I’m so impressed with what the team has done is these projects can take a year to negotiate by the time you do the PPAs and the EPC contracts and get your scope in place, so the team has really done a fantastic job of bringing all the parties together. They need the power, for sure, in that region in 2017, so it’s a growing region and a lot of the miners there are having to use temporary partitions, so it’s in a high demand area and people are motivated to get it done. And, frankly, working in Western Australia, we’ve just seen some really great cooperation in terms of the work you’ve got to do to get permitting and get the plant moving along. Andrew Kuske – Credit Suisse: Yeah, that’s really helpful. And then when you jump ahead to 2017 and the plant is about ready to go and operate, how do you think about just the capital structure and the debt underneath the plant? I asked the question in part is the duration of debt in the Aussie market is usually pretty weak. So do you plan on issuing private placement debt in the US and swapping it in Aussie or you’re trying to tap the Aussie market itself?
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
Currently we have… this is Donald speaking. Currently we have no intention to financing the plant in Australia itself. It will be corporate balance sheet financing. Andrew Kuske – Credit Suisse: Okay.
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
There’s a big delta in interest rate between Canada and the US and for all the reason you mentioned like the duration of debt and also it’s like shorter term in nature. So our intention currently is to fund this on our balance sheet.
Dawn Farrell
President
But I think you asked the question about our… speaking about capital allocation. I mean, frankly, this is exactly the kind of project that we like to do and if we had these kind of projects in our home market here in Alberta, we’d fund them or in Ontario or Saskatchewan, these different markets are potentially bringing forward projects. But in terms of what we’d like the best about this project is if you look across the portfolio, this now strengthens the portfolio for having long-term contract, which I think is very positive overall. Andrew Kuske – Credit Suisse: No, great on that point. And I mean, this is a nice project to have in the portfolio and there’s still a lot of growth opportunities NWA.
Brett Gellner
Analyst · Credit Suisse
Great, thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from Matthew Akman of Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Matthew Akman – Scotiabank: Hi, good morning. Just had a couple questions on the I guess the commercial strategy for a couple of the plants. First was on Centralia. I think, Dawn, you might have mentioned that you do not expect any more of a utility type contract there in 2014. Maybe you could provide a little more detail as to why and the dynamic around there.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, we’ve got this continued ability to market Centralia Coal. It’s called transition coal but the governor’s office has been opening the doors for us with a number of large customers there. The team certainly has people they’re talking to but just I’m a closer and I know what it feels like when you’re on the hunt for a close and right now, to me, everything we’re doing is more trying to create demand and get people thinking about it than it is closing. And I think it’s sort of the uncertainty of the power market there. Now the power market’s been lifting and our theory has been that as it lifts it’ll start to give people more impetus to close deals. But so far I just haven’t seen the kind of strength that I would want to see to know that I could say, okay, I think we’re getting close to something. Matthew Akman – Scotiabank: Okay.
Dawn Farrell
President
So it’s not that we’re not working on it but I’m just not seeing what I want to see relative to getting a contract. And frankly, Matthew, I think we only really need one or two sort of medium size contracts to close to the end of 2025 because I’d really like to see more of a 10-year deal now we take the five-year one. But we have that one unit that’s shutting down at the end of 2020 and we really only have the other unit to the end of 2025, so if you look at the size of that unit, we don’t want to be overhedged in that period, either and the forward curve looks not too bad at that back end. It’s starting to life a little bit. Matthew Akman – Scotiabank: So you think it’s more pricing there than anything to do with CO2 regulations.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, I do, actually because what’s happened is they’ve had that discussion going on in the US about state-by-state regulation with CO2 and Washington State… and I’ll let John, actually, he can talk about it a little bit if he wants but Washington State (inaudible) with Centralia has basically passed the EPA’s delta in terms of what they’re asking the states to do. So we’re just not hearing… and if anything, it’s the opposite. Because we did that deal, people see Centralia Coal as being good coal, so maybe, John, if you want to add anything. Matthew Akman – Scotiabank: I can move on, if you want. I just wanted to ask a question about Windsor. It expires in 2016 and I’m just wondering if there’s any activity there or if there’s any precedent that we can take from what occurred in Ottawa or if it’s too early to tell.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, I mean, I think a very practical approach is to take the precedent from Ottawa. Certainly we will try to do better than that but that’s a practical way to look at it. Of course, out in Ontario with some of the politics that are going on out there, they’ve announced this merger of the OPA and the (ISO). That’s certainly slowing down a little bit of the stuff that needs to be done and as well there’s a whole lack of people that are ahead of us in line. Their dates are sooner in terms of their end of contracts. So we’ve been kind of pushed to the back of the line a little bit there, which is fair. I don’t think we should… we’ve got our most critical plant done. So our team continues to… I mean, the team continues to work with the OPA but I would say that it’s more in the first six months of next year when we’d be comfortable getting closure on those plants. And we’re still very optimistic that those plants will be needed and will be recontracted. Matthew Akman – Scotiabank: Okay, thank you very much. Those are my questions.
Dawn Farrell
President
Thanks.
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from Robert Kwan of RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Good morning. We’ve seen some pretty fantastic valuations for yield (curves) in the US that can deliver the double digit dividend growth and I guess marrying that up as well with your comments that M&A expensive I think partly due to some of those valuations. You’ve had a strategy of using (RNW) as a funding source and you’ve talked about that again today. I’m just wondering, though, with the yield (curve) dynamics and how that’s evolved, has that changed your thinking with respect to using (RNW) or do you just kind of view what’s going on as a bit of a passing fad and stay the course with (RNW) as a funding source.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, I can’t speculate on what’s going on. I’m not in the companies. I don’t do their work and I don’t see what they’re facing in their markets or their futures. But I know for us, we continue to see (RNW) as a great funding source and I think it’s a great vehicle. I think the shareholders of (RNW) are very happy with the work that’s been done there and we just want to make sure that any assets that we put into (RNW) are the right profile and that as we use (RNW) for the potential to grow TransAlta that we continue to maintain the same strategy that we’ve been on. So no change in our strategy and really can’t comment on the other one. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Yeah, I was just thinking more about trying to do some things to ramp up the dividend growth but it sounds like what you want to do there still remains very tied to funding activities up at your level.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah. Yeah, in my view, the only way to ramp up dividend growth is to create more cash. So when we look at… if I tie it back to Port Hedland and I look at 2018… so if you look at 2017 now, we’ve got Port Hedland coming on and the team is motivated to get that project done in the sort of 33 month timeframe and I think we are very confident about that. And then you’ve got 2018 coming behind that with Sun 1 and 2 coming off and now our job is to figure out can we do something more in 2016 and 2015 and that’s… more cash will I think create the value for shareholders. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. Just turning to Port Hedland here, in the funding there was a mention of partners. I’m just wondering if you can elaborate on that. And also the per share accretion for cash flow, is that inclusive of cross border tax structuring?
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
Hi, it’s Donald. Yes, it is including the cross border tax. In term of partner, clearly, that’s one of the funding options. We mentioned (RNW). There’s other partners, so we haven’t land anywhere on that one. Those are options that we’ll explore in due course but there’s no urgency for us to make a decision or to make an announcement on that.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, the great news about (RNW), as we talked about in the script, there’s a large payment at the end and effectively we’re funding it as we go, so it’s got a good profile for it in terms of our ability to manage how we do the financing over time. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Okay, maybe just the last question here. I know it’s only been three weeks but just wondering if anything Wayne has flagged to you since he’s come onboard as a major operating difference between what you may have done historically and how he has managed his fleets.
Dawn Farrell
President
Poor Wayne, he had to meet with our board last weekend. I think at that point he’d only been on 10 days and they wanted to know. So I think he’s starting to believe that he might be a god or something. But I would say that I think the number one thing he’s said to me is there’s nothing here that I haven’t seen before or that hasn’t been fixed before. So I think kind of overall it’s exactly the scene we’ve been on, just operational discipline, professionalizing, making sure that all the details done every day and just basically making sure every single day every unit runs to the max that it can run knowing that there will be some times when a unit can’t run and then you (hatch up) all those good operating days to offset that. So the team has been on a great path on that so far this year. So I think he’s more continuing to deepen the work and he’d doing a lot of his own work right now and just assessing the overall organization and making sure the decisions are flowing the way that they should be. So that’s why I think the better thing for us to do is see if we can get a way to get people out to the plants because I think if you can see them, it looks different and then the team can talk about all the things they’re doing. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Okay. So it sounds like it’s blocking and tackling type things rather than anything major in terms of changes.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, yeah. Robert Kwan – RBC Capital Markets: Okay, great. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
The next question comes from Ben Pham of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Ben Pham – BMO Capital Markets: Okay, thank you and good morning. And just going back to the TransAlta Renewables, it’s been about a year since you’ve created that vehicle and you did that at some capacity since. But you did mention a pretty competitive acquisition environment currently so just wondering just your thoughts about has that vehicle met your expectations to date at all or has it fallen behind just from a growth perspective?
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, no, I mean, I think that the shareholders at TransAlta Renewables are no different than the shareholders at TransAlta. The deals that need to go in there have got to be strong deals, accretive, good returns, the ability to support a good dividend. So I think they’ve been happy with what they’ve seen so far, so of course they’d like more growth but I think the last thing they’d want to do is grow as unproductive assets or pay more for those assets than what they’re currently get of the existing assets. So I’m not disappointed in it. I think just like this company here… I mean, if I look at the growth projects that we’ve put on the table in the last couple years for TransAlta, they’ve all been very strong and they’ve all been accretive and there’s been real cash there and that’s… I’d rather be patient and get the right deals and take the right deals off the table than rush out and just put a whole bunch of stuff through that then you have to fix up later. Ben Pham – BMO Capital Markets: Okay, that’s good to hear that. And Dawn, you also mentioned just with acquisition commentary that you could be comparative in specific areas. Could you expand a bit on that comment?
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah. I guess we find… it’s a little bit similar to what we just cited here in Australia. We tend to land deals where there is the complexity of working with the customers and the customers have specific needs. And there’s a lot of work done by the team behind the scenes here with both Fortescue and Horizon Power. They’re big customers. They’ve got complex needs, complex requirements. And so I think that’s where we tend to excel. So I would say that’s certainly an area where there’s a large customer that needs to be served. That’s certainly an area where our team seems to excel. And then I would say similarly on what we’re seeing is if there’s projects… in the wind space, I think that’s a very competitive space. So if it’s a small growth asset, it doesn’t tend to attract as much attention, so we tend to see more positive outcomes there. And you saw that with Wyoming Wind. So we see… there’s a few more of those in the marketplace that the guys are working on. So I think it’s staying away from large packages of highly sought after (inaudible) contracts where there’s money coming in from all over the world to try to find those returns. We can’t compete in those arenas. But we can compete where there’s a customer or even sometimes there’s… it’s (three quarters) contractors or five-eighths contract and there’s a little bit of merchant. That’s where we really excel because our energy trading team has some great optimization tools that help us value those kinds of assets. Ben Pham – BMO Capital Markets: Okay. And maybe lastly, and Dawn, if I may, just on your balance sheet and your commentary about investment grade credit rating. I Mean, is it important to you to have all three of the agencies onboard on that investment grade rating or is that not as important because it’s just a factor in Moody’s now that the signal, that potential negative outcome there?
Donald Tremblay
Chief Financial Officer
I think it’s important to have the three because we are accessing both like the USA Canadian markets and we need coverage on both sides of the border. So I think having the three is important. We’re working closely with Moody’s to make sure that we basically communicate well and we’re pretty transparent with them and up to now they seem to be satisfied with what they saw for our future. So we’re working closely with the three of them to make sure that they understand our strategy, our plan and making good progress.
Dawn Farrell
President
Yeah, we certainly see that investment grade is important to our customers, especially the large customers that we deal with. And the team is working very closely with the agency to make sure that our funding keeps us on track for that. Ben Pham – BMO Capital Markets: Okay, very good. Thanks, everybody.
Dawn Farrell
President
Thanks.
Operator
Operator
This concludes the analyst Q&A portion of today’s call. We will now take questions from members of the media. (Operator Instructions) I see we do actually have an additional question from an analyst, Dominique Barker of CIBC Asset Management. Please go ahead. Dominique Barker – CIBC Asset Management: Hi. I just wanted to ask. There has been some commentary made by some government officials about adding more renewable energy. Just wanted your commentary on how that would impact the stack in Alberta and how… what your views are towards that and if you would participate.
Dawn Farrell
President
You know what, Dominique, I’ve hared the same views and there’s been a lot of discussion here in Alberta but so far there’s been nothing that we’ve seen where there’s any kind of practical application of that. I think as the energy minister and the politicians look closely in Alberta, they’re finding that actually Alberta has a high percentage of wind, in fact, higher than most regions inside a competitive market. So I’m not sure exactly what that policy’s going to look like. I think there will be quite a bit of discussion about it. I don’t know if you want to add anything, John. He works that file.
John Kousinioris
Analyst · the media
Yeah, no, it’s John Kousinioris. I think Dawn’s right. What we’ve been hearing is sort of directionally they’re going to be looking at it and it may become more of an emphasis in the future but there hasn’t been the level of granularity or specificity at this point in time to be able to really comment on it in any detailed way. It’s just something that we’re monitoring. Dominique Barker – CIBC Asset Management: Okay, thanks.
Operator
Operator
Our first media question comes from Jeremy Van Loon of Bloomberg News. Please go ahead. Jeremy Van Loon – Bloomberg News: Good morning. Just a quick question for Dawn. I was wondering if you could share your thoughts on the Berkshire Hathaway acquisition of AltaLink, if that’s a good thing for Alberta or a bad thing. Thanks.
Dawn Farrell
President
Well, I mean, I think overall it’s good for Alberta to have investors coming into Alberta for whether it’s power assets or oil and gas assets. There’s lots of capital requirements here in the Alberta market for the kind of development we’re doing. We’re building billions of dollars worth of oil sands projects. That’s created lots of growth throughout the economy here. So I think for Alberta it’s an open economy and having investment coming into the province is a positive thing. Jeremy Van Loon – Bloomberg News: So you don’t share your competitor’s concerns about what that means for the electricity market?
Dawn Farrell
President
I’m not going to comment on that. That’s not my issue. Jeremy Van Loon – Bloomberg News: Okay, thanks.
Operator
Operator
(Operator Instructions) Our next question comes from Shawn McCarthy of The Globe and Mail. Please go ahead. Shawn McCarthy – The Globe and Mail: Yeah, hi, good morning. Just wondering with regards to your activity in Australia and the South Hedland and some of the other assets that you have there, what, if any, impact from the decision on the carbon tax, the government recently repealing the carbon tax there. Has that changed the economics at all for you in Australia?
Dawn Farrell
President
No, because the way most of our contracts work in Australia, the carbon tax is born by the customer, so it doesn’t affect… it hasn’t affected anything in our businesses there. Shawn McCarthy – The Globe and Mail: It hasn’t changed the competitiveness of gas versus coal or anything?
Dawn Farrell
President
No, particularly in Western Australia, they require gas to do everything that they’re doing. I mean, think about sort of Northern Canada when you think about Western Australia. Western Australia is just one great big mine, potentially all on the western side of Australia there. And a lot of times the mines are far apart and distant. And so often they have to start their mines up on diesel and then what they do is they work hard to get natural gas into the mines because, as you know, natural gas is much better fuel for both the equipment and the environment and so they tend to replace the diesel with the natural gas or they try to get natural gas in. So there’s just… they don’t have a lot of other sources of power in that particular region other than gas and they’re starting to play with a little bit of solar and a little bit of wind but it’s not even close to what they need to be able to manage their mines there. So no, they need the power. They generally use gas and if there’s some sort of carbon impact, generally the customers end up paying for that. Shawn McCarthy – The Globe and Mail: Thank you.
Operator
Operator
There are now no further questions. I’ll hand the call back over to Brent Ward for closing comments.
Brent Ward
Management
Well, thank you, everyone, for joining us for our second quarter results and conference call. I’ll just reiterate that we are available after the call to take any follow-up questions, so have yourself a safe day.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.