Patrick Hallinan
Analyst · Barclays.
Thanks, Julian. Yes. So operating profit for the fourth quarter is going to expand really 2 levers. We certainly expect to continue making progress on the gross margin front. We expect a fourth quarter gross margin around 33%, could bounce around plus or minus 50 basis points, but that's certainly what we're targeting and tracking towards. And then one of the things we've been talking about all year is judiciously managing SG&A expense relative to the volume environment while still protecting growth investments. So while we're still targeting around $100 million of growth investments, kind of elsewhere in the business, we're really reducing SG&A expense quite considerably, almost to an equal amount this year in our '25 full year income statement. And we'll probably, on a year-over-year basis, be down in SG&A, $40-or-so million versus the same quarter last year. So the profit expansion in the fourth quarter is a mix of gross margin expansion and SG&A reduction. Those are the primary drivers in a quarter where, overall, our net sales line is roughly flat. So that's where you're getting this year. I'd say as we work into next year on gross margin, we're still, as an organization, very focused on our long-term objective of 35-plus percent. And every day, we get up trying to solve the riddle of how to get there by the fourth quarter of next year, and that's still our objective. We'll be there or thereabouts working on that, assuming the macro environment is kind of in line with where we are or better. Obviously, if there was a big recession, we might need to revisit that. And the levers we're going to be pulling for next year, we're still going to be working strategic sourcing, in-plant continuous improvement, platforming is going to be starting to play a bigger role, and we still have some facility decisions ahead of us. So all of those levers are still in play for '26 and beyond. And they'll all be playing very significant roles. And as we mentioned, as we adjusted the outlook for the fourth quarter of this year, we went into the back half of this year with a bias to having some excess capacity in our plants to deal with the circumstances if elasticity ended up being more favorable and to accommodate some of the global transitions of supply, and we'll be having to kind of adjust for those types of costs, too, as we go into the early parts of '26.