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Stanley Black & Decker, Inc. (SWK)

Q3 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Nov 4, 2025

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Operator

Operator

Welcome to the Third Quarter 2025 Stanley Black & Decker Earnings Conference Call. My name is Shannon, and I will be your operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Michael Wherley. Mr. Wherley, you may begin.

Michael Wherley

Analyst

Thank you, Shannon. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us for our third quarter call. With us today are Chris Nelson, President and CEO; and Pat Hallinan, EVP and CFO. Our earnings release, which was issued earlier this morning and a supplemental presentation, which we will refer to, are available on the IR section of our website. A replay of today's webcast will also be available beginning around 11 a.m. Eastern time. This morning, Chris and Pat will review our third quarter results and various other matters, followed by a Q&A session. During today's call, we will be making some forward-looking statements based on our current views. Such statements are based on assumptions of future events that may not prove to be accurate, and as such, they involve risk and uncertainty. It's therefore possible that actual results may materially differ from any forward-looking statements that we might make today. We direct you to the cautionary statements in the 8-K that we filed with our press release and in our most recent '34 Act filing. Additionally, we may also reference non-GAAP financial measures during the call. For applicable reconciliations to the related GAAP financial measure and additional information, please refer to the appendix of the supplemental presentation and the corresponding press release, which are available on our website under the IR section. I'll now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Chris Nelson.

Christopher Nelson

Analyst

Thank you, Michael, and good morning, everyone. I am honored and energized to be leading Stanley Black & Decker as we embark on our next chapter of growth. Since joining the team over 2 years ago, we have focused our businesses on where we want to compete, the end users we want to serve and the markets where we can be a leader. This work has been about being more selective so that we invest our resources in the places where we see the most significant opportunities and greatest ROI for our businesses. We show up every day for our customers and end users to deliver what they need when they need it. Through everything we do, this will continue to be our North Star. Over the last few years of transformation, Stanley Black & Decker has solidified our foundation and sharpened our focus. I am proud of the dedication and collective effort that our team of approximately 48,000 employees strong has contributed to get us here. Our ambition is to build a world-class branded industrial company by solving our end users' most pressing and complex challenges. We go to market with a portfolio of iconic brands and innovation is in our DNA. We have strong connections with customers and end users, and our brands open doors and afford access to opportunities in geographies around the world. These foundational attributes, combined with the renewed focus achieved through our transformation, have positioned us to win across industries poised for long-term growth. Stanley Black & Decker has made tremendous progress towards the objectives we established at the outset of our strategic transformation. We achieved these results despite a rapidly shifting operating environment, evolving consumer demand dynamics and trade policy fluctuations. With the operational proficiency and agility we have developed through our strategic…

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst

Thank you, Chris, and good morning to everyone joining us today. I'm going to start by diving deeper into our gross margin performance. In the third quarter, the company achieved adjusted gross margin of 31.6%, representing a 110 basis point increase over the same period last year. Our entire organization has prioritized margin expansion. And through the implementation of targeted initiatives, we have achieved tangible year-over-year margin improvement. The improvements have been primarily driven by our disciplined pricing strategies and enhanced supply chain efficiencies. Our targeted initiatives contributed meaningfully to our performance this quarter, though the benefits were partially offset by tariffs, reduced volume and inflation. Our gross margin trajectory remains firmly positive, reflecting the organization's steadfast dedication to operational excellence. The team's commitment and capability to deliver is exemplified by the fact that even with the significant tariff expenses hitting our P&L starting in April, we only had a single quarter of gross margin setback. Despite broader market volatility, our teams have demonstrated remarkable agility and focus, ensuring we sustain profitable growth even in uncertain environments. And looking forward to 2026, we foresee a strong opportunity for significant year-over-year adjusted gross margin expansion versus 2025, even if the macro conditions do not improve materially. We continue to target 35-plus percent adjusted gross margin. As a team, we continue to strive to achieve or be very close to this target by the fourth quarter of 2026. Turning now to our global cost reduction transformation program. In the third quarter, we continued to make substantial progress, delivering approximately $120 million in incremental pretax run rate cost savings. These actions are instrumental in supporting our ongoing margin improvement trajectory, which ultimately enables sustained investment in growth. Since its inception in mid-2022, the program has generated about $1.9 billion in pretax run rate…

Christopher Nelson

Analyst

Thank you, Pat. We are strengthening our operational resilience on a daily basis. Our disciplined data-driven approach empowers us to navigate evolving market conditions, seize emerging opportunities and consistently deliver value to our stakeholders. As Pat outlined, we are continuing to proactively manage factors within our control to facilitate the achievement and advancement of our goals. We believe our outlook for 2025 is balanced given the elevated levels of global uncertainty. We recognize the operating environment is challenging. And we are focused on creating significant value from our powerful brands and businesses to generate long-term revenue growth, margin expansion, cash generation and shareholder return. We remain committed to driving towards the goals outlined during our November 2024 Capital Markets Day. I am confident that with the collective dedication of our talented team and an unwavering commitment to supporting our customers and end users, Stanley Black & Decker will continue to set new standards for excellence in the years to come. We are now ready for Q&A, Michael.

Michael Wherley

Analyst

Thank you, Chris. Shannon, you can begin the Q&A now.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tim Wojs with Baird.

Timothy Wojs

Analyst

Just maybe on the volumes, I'm just curious how those performed relative to your expectations? And I guess if you could break down the volume between kind of what was impacted by tariffs and kind of what the, I guess, elasticity you saw in the quarter. And as you think about the next few quarters with price and volume, do you expect that kind of one-for-one trade-off to kind of continue with price and volume? Or do you think there could be some underlying improvement in that dynamic?

Christopher Nelson

Analyst

Tim, this is Chris. Thanks for joining us. Yes, I would say that our volumes were relatively in line with expectations. We started the quarter fairly strong, and there was a little bit of tapering towards the end of 3Q. But that really was more due, we believe, to, as we had referenced in earlier conversations, a nonstandard promotional window. And we're -- as we go into Q4, we actually will get back on a more normal promotional calendar. And we're actually very excited about the promotions we have for the holiday season, which, as you know, is important to our business. I'd say that we expect the environment to remain similar into Q4, and then we will continue to monitor and adjust as we go into the new year in 2026. But I'd say that while we see the environment, as Pat certainly mentioned, as challenging, it is relatively stable, and we're excited about the promotional calendar we have to close out the year, and it's going to be important for us to monitor.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with Barclays.

Julian Mitchell

Analyst · Barclays.

Maybe just my question would be around dialing into some of the profit levers in a bit more detail. So I think for the fourth quarter, you're assuming operating profit up a few tens of millions of dollars sequentially with flattish sales. And is that all really coming from this extra price increase? And then as you're thinking about 2026 as it's only 8 weeks away now, it seems like you won't get much help from volumes based off the exit rate from this year. So maybe help us understand what are some of the main gross margin drivers you're most enthused about for 2026?

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst · Barclays.

Thanks, Julian. Yes. So operating profit for the fourth quarter is going to expand really 2 levers. We certainly expect to continue making progress on the gross margin front. We expect a fourth quarter gross margin around 33%, could bounce around plus or minus 50 basis points, but that's certainly what we're targeting and tracking towards. And then one of the things we've been talking about all year is judiciously managing SG&A expense relative to the volume environment while still protecting growth investments. So while we're still targeting around $100 million of growth investments, kind of elsewhere in the business, we're really reducing SG&A expense quite considerably, almost to an equal amount this year in our '25 full year income statement. And we'll probably, on a year-over-year basis, be down in SG&A, $40-or-so million versus the same quarter last year. So the profit expansion in the fourth quarter is a mix of gross margin expansion and SG&A reduction. Those are the primary drivers in a quarter where, overall, our net sales line is roughly flat. So that's where you're getting this year. I'd say as we work into next year on gross margin, we're still, as an organization, very focused on our long-term objective of 35-plus percent. And every day, we get up trying to solve the riddle of how to get there by the fourth quarter of next year, and that's still our objective. We'll be there or thereabouts working on that, assuming the macro environment is kind of in line with where we are or better. Obviously, if there was a big recession, we might need to revisit that. And the levers we're going to be pulling for next year, we're still going to be working strategic sourcing, in-plant continuous improvement, platforming is going to be starting to play a bigger role, and we still have some facility decisions ahead of us. So all of those levers are still in play for '26 and beyond. And they'll all be playing very significant roles. And as we mentioned, as we adjusted the outlook for the fourth quarter of this year, we went into the back half of this year with a bias to having some excess capacity in our plants to deal with the circumstances if elasticity ended up being more favorable and to accommodate some of the global transitions of supply, and we'll be having to kind of adjust for those types of costs, too, as we go into the early parts of '26.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe with Wolfe Research.

Nigel Coe

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

And Chris, congratulations on -- I'm actually [ sitting ] on the phone right now, I guess, but congratulations. Maybe -- I think you mentioned going out with another price increase in the quarter. So can you just maybe mark-to-market somewhere you expect price to maybe come into the fourth quarter? And maybe just give us a quick mark-to-market on -- I know it changes a lot, but on the tariff inflation, how you see it right now? And are you down in this 10% [ sentinel tariff ] reduction? And does that have an impact on 4Q?

Christopher Nelson

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Thanks a lot, Nigel. Nice hearing from you. I'll start, and I'll let Pat wrap up. But I would say that the price increase, the second price increase, as I mentioned in my remarks, we're in process right now, and it's going to be in that low single-digit realm that we talked about in previous conversations, and we're on track to that. And we're working with all our channel partners constructively to get that in place because our goal collectively is to make sure that we do everything and anything we can to minimize what the stress would be on our end users. And therefore, where our real emphasis is, is driving our production moves and mitigation to reduce our reliance on China imports for U.S. consumption. And we've been making significant progress there. We remain on pace to be below 10% by the end of the year and below -- at or below 5% by the end of 2026. We're making great progress there. And that's really the emphasis. So as it relates to the second part of your question, which would be the tariff exposure based on latest information, it really has no material impact. It's still right about the same area based on the changes that have come in 232s, combined with the reduction in China, it's kind of netted out. So we're right in that same ballpark. And as it relates to what that means for our mitigation efforts, we were -- basically, as I mentioned earlier, we were planning in the not-too-distant future to be largely absent from China as a source of supply for the U.S. So it really has minimal impact on our medium- to long-term strategies there. So I don't know, Pat, if you had anything else to add there?

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst · Wolfe Research.

Yes. No, I think you covered most of it, Chris. I'd say just to reiterate a few things Chris said is our end game plan kind of end of '26 forward is to be below 5% U.S. COGS from China. That's what drove our total mitigation strategy, both supply chain changes and pricing. And so given that, this reduction in 10% of -- 10 percentage points of the China tariffs doesn't meaningfully change that outcome. You asked a little bit of is there a fourth quarter benefit? It's probably in the ballpark of very low single-digit millions, given that it affects one quarter and then you pretty much only get the LIFO portion of that. So for the fourth quarter, it's a very small amount. It's a slight help, probably in the 5% to 10% range of each of the first 2 quarters of next year or thereabouts, but it's not a game changer long term. Certainly, any relief is welcome, but it's not a big magnitude item.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Christopher Snyder with Morgan Stanley.

Christopher Snyder

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

I wanted to ask about Tools & Outdoor top line. So price this quarter, I think you guys said 5%, but I thought the conversation on the Q2 conference call was for high single-digit price. Maybe that was more of a back half comment than a Q3 comment. So any color there would be appreciated. And then also, Tools & Outdoor is calling for a better Q4 mark. It seems like maybe flat organic. Q3 was negative 2%. And now we have a more difficult comp into Q4. So can you just maybe talk about why that 2-year stack will get better? I know price comes through, but we would think with the one-for-one offset that, that would be accounted for on lower volumes.

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes. So Chris, pricing can get confusing because obviously, it's a portion of all the work we're doing to mitigate tariffs. Obviously, there's a lot of supply changes in addition to that. But it's largely a United States Tools & Outdoor phenomena. So you're talking about taking considerable price on 60% of our business, not on 100% of our business. So you're accurate in understanding that our pricing, ultimately, when we get through the second round of price increases, but even the pricing we've already taken is in the high single-digit range. It's probably going to across our U.S. product lines be in that high single to maybe even in the low double digit depending on the SKU you're looking at. But again, when you take basically 60% of that, you're getting into a mid-single-digit global viewpoint on pricing, both global for T&O and global for total Stanley Black & Decker. So we -- if you look at our outlook and planning assumption information, we've been referencing on an enterprise-wide basis, expecting mid-single digits, U.S. T&O high single digits or above. And that's exactly what we're seeing. So it's a lot of hard work by our team and a lot of hard work with our channel partners to do it thoughtfully, but we're getting the price we expected. And you saw in the pricing reconciliation for the third quarter, it was 5 percentage points, and that's right in the ZIP code we expected. Obviously, we're taking a second round of pricing in the fourth quarter, but we're also going to be running back to kind of a more normal promotional cadence. So I would expect the reconciliation for the fourth quarter to be in a similar ZIP code. It can kind of move up or down from that 5% based on promotional mix to relative sales. In terms of the growth cadence for the quarter and the year, for the full year enterprise-wide, we're expecting net sales for the full year enterprise-wide on an organic basis to be flat to down 1%, probably more likely towards the lower end of that range. And for T&O for the quarter, we're also kind of expecting flat to down at 1-ish percent and again, probably towards the lower end of that range. So that's going to have an enterprise where T&O for the quarter and the year is down somewhere between 0 -- flat to down 1%, closer to that down 1% and you're going to have SEF up about 2 percentage points on the year, and that's what's going to drive the overall enterprise to the enterprise expectation.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan.

Michael Rehaut

Analyst · JPMorgan.

I wanted to focus on -- without really getting into guidance for next year, focus on some of the actions you've taken this past year and how they might impact '26? And in particular, just thinking of, number one, the carryover impact kind of like from an annualized perspective on what the cost reduction that you're on track to do the $2 billion by the end of this year, what impact on a fully annualized basis would that have to benefit 2026 as well as the movement of supply chain with the China footprint reduction that would ostensibly -- as that comes down throughout the year, I would figure have some type of -- also some type of benefit to cost.

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst · JPMorgan.

Yes, Mike, it's a fair question. We certainly are going to be looking at how this quarter plays out from consumer confidence, consumer engagement and volume perspective before we're going to feel like talking about '26 guidance is appropriate. But anchor stones to '26, kind of no matter the macro are going to be making gross margin progression and managing SG&A thoughtfully. So we're working game plans for '26 that have us around 35-ish percent in the fourth quarter. We're going to be finishing this full year on like a 31-ish percent basis. So the full year '26, we're going to obviously be targeting something very much in between those 2 points of 31% and 35%. And as I mentioned to the questions Julian was asking, all the levers are still in play. We're going to need to be generating in terms of gross productivity next year, somewhere in the $350 million, $400 million range. That's going to be our rough focus point, again, irrespective of the macro to continue marching on that gross margin path. And then we're going to be working on a mitigation path of getting $200 million to $300 million of tariff expense out of the system via -- whether that's shifting product out of China and/or increasing USMCA compliance. So those are our focus areas. Those are levers that we're pulling, and we'll continue to kind of manage SG&A in that 21-ish in a fraction range, again, working to generate growth investments while tightening up the cost structure elsewhere.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Adam Baumgarten with Vertical Research Partners.

Adam Baumgarten

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners.

Just curious how you think your North America power and hand tools volumes compared to the market in the third quarter?

Christopher Nelson

Analyst · Vertical Research Partners.

Adam, so I think we're relatively in line with market. I'd say a couple of things. We know DEWALT continues to grow year-over-year in the absolute terms, and I think that, that would be pacing the market. We've been seeing more signs of progress staying in line with market levels with our other 2 core brands. And I think the important thing to understand is that in the short term, with the amount of change that has happened with various responses to tariff policy, pricing as well as promotional calendars, there's just -- there's been a lot of volatility in the market. We're going to keep on monitoring and see how things progress, not only as we wrap this year, but going to the next year into 2026. But I'd say we have been relatively in line with what we think the market would be and I'd say, exceeding what we think the market is with our DEWALT brand.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jonathan Matuszewski with Jefferies.

Jonathan Matuszewski

Analyst · Jefferies.

There's a lot of moving pieces with housing policy for the current administration. I was hoping you could talk to how you see Stanley Black & Decker as a potential beneficiary of some of these proposals to catalyze and unlock dormant housing supply in the future.

Christopher Nelson

Analyst · Jefferies.

Thanks a lot, Jonathan. Nice hearing from you. Let me start by just saying that we understand that -- and we would say that we don't see any real near-term catalyst right now for that market. So we're focused on making sure we control [ what ] we control. We're excited about what we're doing. We're excited the progress we're making in our margin expansion and our product line expansions. And we'll continue driving towards that. And for lack of a better term, we're going to continue to improve based on the actions that we take on the things that we control. And that's what we're concentrating on. And I think that I'm excited about the progress we've been making, and we expect to continue to make along those lines as we go into 2026. As it relates to any release of momentum in the housing market, whether it be new construction or repair and remodel, we certainly believe that we are very well positioned to be a beneficiary of that. We certainly serve those markets and serve those trades with very high share positions, and we have been using this time of what I would say is a little bit more of a retrenchment of that market to invest heavily to make sure that we are there with those end users, with those contractors and with that industry to be building the relationships and building the innovation so that as that does unlock, that we will be there to certainly be a beneficiary of it and probably more than our fair share.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joe O'Dea with Wells Fargo.

Joseph O'Dea

Analyst

You gave some helpful color on China and U.S. supply exposure there and what you expect on that trajectory. Any perspective on USMCA compliance and the path that you're on there? And then along with that, just on the 4Q pricing that you talked about being kind of in process, for how much of the quarter would you expect that price to be flowing through the P&L, the incremental price that you're in process on now?

Christopher Nelson

Analyst

I'll start with USMCA, and then I'll turn it over to Pat for the pricing question. So USMCA, and I think I stated this on our last call that we are making significant progress. It's a big part of our mitigation efforts. And as we've talked about our strategy from the very outset on managing the tariffs, we're going to support our customers, we are going to mitigate our operations, we're going to price where necessary and we're going to maintain our communications with the administration. We certainly priced for what we believe our end state mitigation was going to look like as we went out of 2026. So it's all hands on deck to get us towards that end because that's a big part of what our mitigation and margin journey is all a part of. As it relates specifically to USMCA, we're making progress, and we see no structural roadblocks to us being at or around what I would say is the average for industrials that look like us, and we'll be there over the medium term. So we're making great progress, and we see a good opportunity there to make sure that we can continue to have the products that our end users need at the prices that they can afford.

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst

Yes. And Joe, relative to fourth quarter pricing, a fair number of those discussions with channel partners have been completed, and those pricing actions are starting to go underway. We would expect the balance of them to be completed here in the early part of November. And so I kind of think of it as, for the most part, 2 of the 3 months of the quarter, and we feel like we're tracking on that. And with all the variables we're managing in this quarter within our planning assumption, we're comfortable with where we are on that front.

Operator

Operator

Our last question comes from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs.

Joseph Ritchie

Analyst

Just my -- the only question I have right now is really around inventory levels. It looks like you've reduced your inventories over the past year and also sequentially. How far above do you still think you are from an inventory perspective? And what's your expectation for reduction in 2026?

Patrick Hallinan

Analyst

Yes. Good questions, Joe. I mean I think I'd raise it to the topic of cash and then come back to inventory because we still are in a delevering mode and very focused on generating cash. And obviously, we have work to do this quarter. And so we expect the gross margin improvement and the SG&A management I referenced earlier in the Q&A to drive profit expansion in the fourth quarter. And then we'll be pushing for over $500 million of working capital reduction in the quarter. That's both receivables and inventory. I'd say this whole year, at least to this point in the year, we're a little bit heavier on inventory than we'd like to be, but that is understandable relative to all the supply chain moves we're doing. I mean, obviously, we're taking 15 percentage points of our U.S. COGS and moving them out of China that ends up requiring some inventory slack in the system, and that's part of our challenge. I'd say for next year, we're probably targeting at least $200 million. We'd like to be better than that because I think our longer-term opportunity in a level at this revenue stage probably approaches $1 billion of working capital reduction. That's not just kind of on the margin thing. That's leveraging platforming and improving the way we do planning and a whole host of other things that drive inventory. But I still think that that's the opportunity that's out in front of us. But with some of the tariff mitigation that's going to consume the first half to 2/3 of next year, I think a target in the $200 million to $300 million range, closer to [ $200 million ] for next year is probably more appropriate.

Operator

Operator

I would now like to turn the call back over to Michael Wherley for closing remarks.

Michael Wherley

Analyst

Thank you, Shannon. We'd like to thank everyone again for their time and participation on today's call. If you have any further questions, please reach out to me directly. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.