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Starwood Property Trust, Inc. (STWD)

Q1 2013 Earnings Call· Wed, May 8, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Starwood Property Trust First Quarter 2013 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Mr. Andrew Sossen, Chief Operating Officer and General Counsel. Please go ahead, sir.

Andrew J. Sossen

Analyst

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Starwood Property Trust earnings call. Earlier this morning, we released our financial results for the quarter ended March 31, 2013, and filed our Form 10-Q with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These documents are available in the Investor Relations section of the company's website at www.starwoodpropertytrust.com. Before the call begins, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements made in the course of this call are not based on historical information and may constitute forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs and are subject to a number of trends and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in the forward-looking statements. I refer you to the company's filings made with the SEC for more detailed discussion of the risks and factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today. The company undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements that may be made during the course of this call. Additionally, certain non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed on this conference call. Our presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with GAAP can be accessed through our filings with the SEC at www.sec.gov. Joining me on the call today are Barry Sternlicht, the company's Chief Executive Officer; Stew Ward, the company's Chief Financial Officer; Boyd Fellows, the company's President; and Mike Berry, the company's Chief Accounting Officer. With that, I'm going to now turn the call over to Stew.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you, Andrew, and good morning. This is Stew Ward, the Chief Financial Officer of Starwood Property Trust. This morning, I'll be reviewing Starwood Property Trust's results for the first quarter of 2013, as well as discussing our activities since quarter end, including our recent acquisition of LNR Property Group. Following my comments, Barry will discuss current market conditions, the state of our business and the opportunity that we see looking forward for our newly-expanded platform. For the first quarter of 2013, we reported core earnings of $62.5 million before transactions expenses associated with our acquisition of LNR or $0.46 per fully diluted share. Net of these transactions expenses, which totaled $4.4 million and were comprised of legal and due diligence costs incurred prior to the close of the acquisition, core earnings stood at $58.1 million or $0.43 per fully diluted share. GAAP net income for the same period inclusive of these transactions expenses totaled $62.2 million or $0.46 per fully diluted share. Both core earnings and GAAP net income per share before the LNR-related transactions expenses were generally in line with the quarterly results exhibited over the past year and I think serve a strong testimony to the strength of the market-leading real estate finance platform we've built over the past 3.5 years that has continued to maintain an 8-plus percent annualized dividend yield on paid-in capital despite the strong resurgence in the lending markets and the systematic rally we've all seen in credit spreads over the past 18 months, all while maintaining an overall portfolio loan-to-value ratio of less than 65%. I should note that next quarter's earnings results will be reduced by the final $12.8 million in transactions expenses associated with the LNR acquisition. As of March 31, 2013, GAAP book value per diluted share was $20.08,…

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thank you, Stew. Thank you, Andrew. Good morning, everyone. I think it's really important first 4 months of the year for Starwood Property Trust. Obviously, when we were born, we had to invest $900 million of cash, but we've done that actually in -- twice that in 4 months' time, investing $1.6 billion, including the transformative acquisition of LNR, which I think continues the profile of this company, which is providing, I'd say, asymmetric risk versus reward. I think -- I continue to marvel at the loan-to-value of the portfolio and the stability of our earnings stream, and it gave us and the board the confidence to increase the dividend. But I will say upfront that the next quarter, this quarter and the next quarter, will kind of be noisy. We've known that they would be noisy. There's a lot of accounting issues as you close the LNR transaction, including the transaction cost of the acquisition, and we'll talk more about that in a second. But I think also as you look at what we did in the quarter and the 4 months -- I'm going to include April for a second -- I mean it was really a momentous quarter for the firm. We did a term loan that was rated, the cost of financing for 5- to 7-year money that we can prepay basically at Coldwell at par was at 3%, and who would have dreamed that we could borrow money at the corporate level at 3%. We also went out to the market to do a convert. We upsized the convert, turned out to be a $600 million raise -- it could have been bigger -- the convert is trading at 1.10% and the implied coupon of our cost of capital is 3%, and that opens up…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And we'll take our first question from Joel Houck with Wells Fargo.

Joel Jerome Houck - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Question I guess is around just the single-family business. Obviously, it's ramping up, it's new. What do you think rough terms of size of this would have to be before you guys would consider spinning it out?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

We're big enough. We're big enough now. I mean, we can spin it out now. So we're working through the mechanics of that and obviously are making sure our management team's in place. And it's interesting, there will be probably, who knows, half a dozen of these, I guess. And it will be -- they're interesting vehicles because you can always liquidate them, right? You can always sell the houses or you're going to hold on to them and it's really -- nobody really knows. I mean you can't -- nobody has had enough operating history to know how this is going to work. Because it's pretty competitive space, I'm not going to go into details about it. But we've tried to be very picky about what we're doing and how we're doing it and through how we're acquiring these houses. As you may know, as you saw Colony's earnings yesterday and there's a lot of transaction costs up front. So you got to find -- showing up at auctions where all the investors are driving prices is a really difficult way to do this. And I think as houses approach replacement cost, it gets far less interesting to acquire them. But right now, it certainly can achieve, I think, the kinds of returns we've seen in the debt book. Between current yield and appreciation, I think it's safe to assume that you can see leverage yields, levered IRRs north of 12%. We should feel again asymmetric, more upside than downside.

Joel Jerome Houck - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Okay, no, I agree. And just quickly on the LNR, you said they made $90 million year-to-date. I assume that's through Q1 or is that through April?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

That was through closing. So what happened is that all the money they made, we were all excited about, we actually thought some of it might blend into earnings, but it all went again to reduce basis in the company. So we paid $860 million all-in with transaction cost, which I think $862 million, I think that probably $40 million of that was transaction cost, or $30 million or $20 million? It was prorated with the other real estate that was sold. So that you could have netted it against that but that wouldn't be proper accounting, unfortunately. So you could have said you paid 7-something but you didn't. And they made a lot of money in the conduit, which was unanticipated.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · Wells Fargo

And a lot of money in the special services.

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

And a lot of money on the special service area. All of the businesses performed pretty well for the quarter. Everything. And one of the businesses they have, we're evaluating because it's not making any money, it's actually losing money. So if we got rid of that, we may be more profitable. It's one of the reasons we can't give you -- we didn't give you perfect guidance. We expect LNR to be accretive, more accretive than we probably have given you but we don't know yet. We're going -- we want to tick and tie the numbers and then come back to you.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · Wells Fargo

That's exactly right.

Joel Jerome Houck - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · Wells Fargo

No, that's fair enough. I mean, do you have some sense in terms -- so we can calibrate this in our models, what is a reasonable IRR over LNR versus kind of -- we'll call it legacy Starwood, for lack of a better term?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

You can't really do it. They're there in operating businesses, and by the way, they're taxed, right? So some of -- some of the earnings flow through the TRS and it's taxed. So we're giving you an after-tax number. And even there, there's things going on in -- with the IRS about what is good income and bad income for the REIT and that might change too. So, as soon as we have more data, we'll provide full disclosure to you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] We'll take our next question from Jade Rahmani with KBW. Jade J. Rahmani - Keefe, Bruyette, & Woods, Inc., Research Division: You've shown an ability to win very large transactions, including the Hudson Yards deal. Can you characterize the competition on those types of large development transactions, and more broadly, who you view as your direct main competitors?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · KBW

Let me start -- I'll start and then Boyd will finish. Well, you can imagine who we see. On a deal of that scale, that we're competing against the banks and the complexity of that loan given that Coach was a tenant in the building and funding construction simultaneous with the banks, was completely tripping up the banks. What we thought maybe they had the better credit because they were funding $300 million of the construction costs and they're basically condoing and owning their piece of the building. So that created all kinds of inner creditor issues to the bank, they were tripping over themselves. We got an inbound call from Related [ph] saying, "Can you do this?" And when they described it to me, I said "100% we can do this." It's great, I think we're in the building for like $500 a foot or something like that, less than $500 a foot and it's trophy real estate at least on top of Coach you have -- I've forgot, SIEMENS, you have SAP, is it? L'Oreal and it's great. So it's a great risk-reward, in fact, Related [ph] took $100 million of the facility themselves. So they liked it so much they co-invested with us and we took the balance. It was a monumentally complicated loan to close. On a transaction like that, I'd say given the scale of it, there probably weren't that many people to go to. Occasionally, we see hedge funds that have shown up in the debt world, anything in the debt wrapper today, it attracts a lot of capital. I think most of the investors who are coming into the hedge fund world don't really expect that they'd be making first mortgage loans in a hedge fund but they have no high watermarks, they get paid 2 and 20, if they can make a loan at 8%, they make a lot of money. And given they've had a rough go of it recently in not keeping up with the Joneses with the S&P and the Dow, I think where we've seen the hedge funds come into the market. Boyd, do you want to add anything?

Boyd W. Fellows

Analyst · KBW

You've covered it completely. On those transactions again, it's our belief, you act as a one-stop shop. In some of these large construction loans, we're competing strictly against basically a bank syndicate, which was the case in the Hudson Yards loan. In others, we compete against a combination that's even more complex and burdensome for the borrowers, which is a combination of a bank syndicate and a mezzanine lender. On a construction loan, when you get 6 first mortgage lenders and a mezz lender, that's an incredibly complex process for a borrower to deal with, and we can come in and literally give them a single point of contact and write a single loan. So we really don't have any...

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · KBW

We really like those deals, and we wish there's were more of them. There's a couple in the pipeline, frankly and I think it's part of lending, it's sort of new to me. I mean, these are relationships too. I mean, people just like our team and they're flexible and the more we do, the more references we have and we tell them check our references. And we got it done when we said we'd get it done and we haven't bothered them and we work with these guys. I think Blackstone, we've partnered with them on a few transactions, they've borrowed from us on a few transactions. I mean, so we see them as they try to, I guess, get in the business, I anticipate we'll see them doing what we're doing. And for the most part, Colony has drifted into more or less the resi business, as you know. Apollo is pretty quiet. I don't see them a lot. They don't have the balance sheet to do these gigantic deals. But we've split a deal with Apollo, too, in the past. It's really whether -- I think the real question for us will be the foreign banks, which have been very big competitors for us, I'd say our largest competitors. They're the more aggressive foreign banks, and whether or not given Basel III, they'll continue to compete with us at the pace they are or let us do the loan and then we'll sell them down the seniors and they can securitize to their heart's desire, and we'll keep a wide mezz loan. I think one of the businesses we didn't mention -- I should have -- was the B piece business, which we deploy capital. And even since we closed LNR, we just bought, I guess, a…

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · KBW

We've talked about this a lot in the last, over the last 2 or 3 calls. And one of our competitive advantages is this, as Boyd mentioned, is this one-stop shop and key to this is staffing a sophisticated syndication staff and executing on that part of the business plan. That $28 million sale was the sale of an A note. Those are generally -- they're not profitable. I mean, we don't book -- we're not booking profits. It's really a financing. They're generally done. When we structured a transaction at the outset, we've already pre-marketed. We have a very good idea about where these A notes are going to trade. So for the most part, the P&L on those sales will be very minor. But again, they're, in our view they're -- they're spectacular when you compare them to the on-balance sheet comparable leverage, because these are match funded, they're nonrecourse, they're not cross-collateralized with our other assets. At the same cost of funds, they represent and produce help us to continue to produce a better sort of risk profile of the overall book. So as I've mentioned in the past, both on these calls as well as a lot of the one-on-ones and things, we relentlessly sell-down what we have online to A notes. We have sales of A notes. We're looking at securitizations for example, right now that will have loans -- of the financing component of loans that we have on some of our warehouse facilities. And so it's an ongoing full-time business practice and business line that we pursue. So to answer your question more directly, there are a number of positions on our book that are small, that are kind of impractical to sell A notes, and they may ultimately fit into a securitization in some form of another in a little bit more efficient manner. But all the large transactions for the most part, we'll look to finance with A note sales at some point in their lives.

Operator

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Dan Altscher with FBR. Daniel K. Altscher - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: Had a question about the NPL book. One, I guess are you guys finding competition increasing here from other folks like hedge funds or private equity to buy into these? Or is the market really pretty thin from a buyer perspective? And then also from a seller perspective, who really are the sellers? Is it the FDIC? Is it the banks themselves? Is it other hedge funds and private equity that own them right now?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · FBR

So the sources of these deals are everyone. We've been more active with banks, I suppose. They are competitive as can be and you do see a lot of the hedge funds in the business. So we're focused on geography as we sort through the portfolios, where are the houses located and whether it's judicial or nonjudicial states and where they are in the foreclosure process. And what we think of the collateral and the quality of the homes. You can divide our investment by the number of homes we have. You look at $450 million and 3,600 and something, you can see it's like $120,000, $130,000 a house. It's -- some of the stuff we buy with, we're trading sardines -- we actually buy it and get rid of it and we booked small profits on that. I think we've booked a couple of million dollars of profits out of that stuff. And then another stuff we fix it up and fit into the core holdings of the entity. So it is a lot of work and it's a very, as you know, a hands-on business. But it is competitive. It's not, not competitive. It's just -- we like, we've been attracted to the fact that we could buy -- I mean if it was easy, everyone would be doing it. But I think our pricing, our entry points have been good. I think the tricky part about the market is the investors. While they're only 1/3 of the market -- that's the national statistic -- in some instances, they're much more than that. And like price leader in these open all type [ph] auctions where some guys are coming with bushel-fulls of cash. I mean, they are driving market value. If they pay 100 -- if they pay 100 cents on the dollar for the house is broker opinion of current value and they pay $1.05, the next auction next week, that's the $1.05 is now broker opinion of value. So then they pay $1.05, that's now the broker opinion of value. And I think the current yields are going to deteriorate because the rents are not keeping up with the price appreciation of the homes that they're buying. So our actual purchase price is more like $0.65 on the dollar, broker opinion of value. And I mean, that's just phenomenal. So I'd say $0.80 on the call but it's more like $0.60, less than $0.65.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · FBR

If you add in the single-family, it gets closer to $0.80 with the NPLs broken out separately.

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · FBR

The NPLs are $0.65. Well, it's a different business and you got to know what you're doing and I think what we know what we're doing. So we don't get those homes immediately, right? They come over time so you have to impute their cost of carry or whatever your cost of capital is to that. So we're leveraging our relationships in the markets with institutions to try to grow a book. I think it's an interesting business. I don't know how big it will be. I mean, as a stand-alone company, I just don't know. I mean, it will be a company, will it be a size of EQR? I don't think so. Having said that, there are a lot of guys who have bought houses and won't have an opportunity to take them out through a public offering. We've already been contacted by several. I'm sure there are others. One of the companies that went public in this space was basically 3 or 4 portfolios glued together. So if you have a team and you have a story and you have competency and they want an exit, you can do it. You could probably scale up faster than even us just acquiring homes and notes. Daniel K. Altscher - FBR Capital Markets & Co., Research Division: That's great color. And then just one more, if I may. I'm trying to summarize your comments on the CMBS market. I'm a little mixed in terms of I can't tell if you're saying I think it may be a little frothy right now or at the same time LNR is bringing on a pretty nice portfolio that you're excited about. So maybe you can just summarize how you really or how you're seeing the market right now?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · FBR

Sure. The split comments, right? The CMBS book of LNR is an historic book. It's what they owned. Nothing really to do with today's underwriting. It's really stuff that's pieces and strips of deals over the last 10 years, probably. And some of it's control pieces and some of it's not just -- one of the things we do with our money now is we buy pieces, we buy bonds. We have -- they have a database, we go out and see $7 million of bonds that you can earn at 13, we buy them. So we've been investing capital, we'll probably invest probably $100 million, $50 million to $100 million in the LNR platform this year in buying stuff.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · FBR

Legacy secondary...

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · FBR

And legacy secondary trades of CMBS securities, that's a whole other line of business. And we do that if it's accretive to our earnings and accretive to very attractive to unrisk or basis. They have information on all these trusses [ph] -- a finite number of them. So if you underwrite them and you know the assets like you can't know and I can't know until we've acquired LNR. You have a competitive advantage playing in those marketplaces. Completely different point is that the CMBS market is pistol hot and frankly there hasn't been enough product for the pipeline but as investors stretch for yield, not surprising that underwriting standards are beginning to come looser and looser. And I think you're pretty much -- it's a little tricky out there. I mean, guys are pretty aggressive in the CMBS market. It's interesting -- we started capital, just did a loan with a bank, on a hotel -- small hotel, $9 million loan, it was a single asset we had. And -- we just checked with the conduit guys at LNR and this is yesterday so it's fresh data. And I think our loan is like $295 million over and the conduit could lend the money at $305 million over was his initial bid and I'm sure if I pressed -- [indiscernible] who runs that business for us, he'd probably go to $300 million over. So the conduit pricing is right on top of the banks and if the banks are making this spread or the conduit guys are making the spread. And the business has been pretty profitable for everybody and I think you've seen Lennar talk about going public now as a C-corp. We don't think these spreads are maintainable. I mean, we think that, the conduit business has been a 2, 3 point business and it's been more than that. So and that's really a function -- we have a unique way of -- the average loan that we originate is less than $25 million; it's just small loans that our team and LNR can do and frankly we couldn't do before. So we weren't going to do a $25 million loan, we'll had a $5 million mezzanine note. We'd be here for the next 350 years, putting out $1 billion. So and it's kind of like the equity markets today. You can buy individual assets at better cap rates than you can large portfolios because the nature of the money out there is that it wants to move big money. I was correct that the average size loan of the conduit business in LNR is $12 million. That's a big business and there's a lot of those. In the pyramid of demand there's only so many Hudson Yards loans.

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · FBR

And profit margins on $12 million can be double what they would be on $25 million and $50 million loans that are dramatically more sought after by the Street. It's a really great, sweet spot for LNR.

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · FBR

We're excited to have it. But I am worried about underwriting standards. That would be a general view that I think people are getting loose. And you have -- you have inverse -- you have versionary rents in office buildings. You have many buildings today with rents above market. You have some very soft office markets. When these leases roll, you may not see tenants in these buildings and they're being underwritten seems like without any understanding that the rent is 2x of market today or that this market is 22% vacant and you're building's 93% vacant but it could go to 80% or 0 when the rents roll. There's not a huge velocity of office lease in the United States. Some of these asset classes are doing better, retail is doing better, overall consumer spending is up, hotel markets are fine but the pace of growth is probably slowing. So we're seeing some incredibly aggressive loans in the hotel space and incredibly so. You could probably get anything financed today. In fact, it's almost back to the day when there's no cash flow, it's a better loan. You can fantasize about what the cash flow might be if it ever was leased or was profitable. So there's some really wacko things happening out there. It's not '06, '07 but it's '05.

Operator

Operator

And we'll go to our last question. It's from Steve Delaney with JMP Securities.

Steven C. Delaney - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

I really appreciate the candor on the residential strategy, sort of the end game there because we didn't get that from some of the other players early on as to whether it was viewed as core or opportunistic, so appreciate that. Barry, I was just wondering if Starwood Capital, as you approach this, both the SFR and the resi pools, I don't, of course, I don't profess to know Starwood Capital well other than by reputation, but have you identified a partner on the special servicing side that you've engaged to work with you on this at this time? And I guess the second part of that would be as you look to a spin-off of this business, is the management of that new-co something that Starwood Capital and/or a partner would look to retain?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · JMP Securities

So we're working on -- we work through multiple partners right now. And as most of us are doing in this space, we have guys who are exclusive to us that we've added in buying in markets that we've identified we thought would be attractive. I think I want to be clear, Starwood Capital is not playing in this space. We did not do this in our opportunity fund. And the reason, by the way is -- let me tell you why we did it that way because we know that a greater portion of the return would come from appreciation than it would from current yield ultimately. And that beauty would be in the eye of the fantasizer about the home price appreciation over the long run. So that, if you're going to try to get a 15 or 20 but you thought you're going to get a 5 current and 15 in appreciation, Starwood Capital would lose. So our opportunity fund would lose that bit. What you're seeing is current yields are getting compressed because not only are -- is there a ton of houses going into the marketplace but their rents are actually falling in a few markets because there's so much supply and there's just not that much -- it is impacting, you're beginning to see it in the multifamily rents that the single-family pressure in places like Atlanta. They're putting pressure on multifamily -- the rate of increase of rents in multifamily is slowing and it's not just because of over -- new building and overbuilding in the multi-space, it's also because of 12 million, 13 million homes that are going to be rented. The really good news is they're coming out of the stock, right? I mean, the good news is they are not for home prices and we have a homebuilder chart point so we see. This stuff is leaving the system. It's not like it's going to -- these houses are going to be rented and they're going to stay in the rental pool. So it's good for the single-family home market. It's just an interesting business that I think actually -- it's an asset class that, that I would play in if I was an equity investor. I think it's an interesting as some of their classes of REITs that are out there. But the answer is that will have a dedicated management team and that's one of the reasons we have not spun it out. We'll continue to work on our strategy there and that's coming together hopefully in the next 90 days or so and once that's complete, we will file and offer a memorandum, I suppose. Is that right?

Perry Stewart Ward

Analyst · JMP Securities

Yes.

Steven C. Delaney - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

One just quick follow-up. It looks like -- one thing that appears to be unique to your strategy versus what's in the marketplace right now, if I've heard you correctly, you are looking at the SFRs and the NPL pools as a related business, and did I hear you say that when you do a spin out, it would include the NPLs as well as the SFR? Did I understand that?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · JMP Securities

Yes, you're correct.

Steven C. Delaney - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Okay. The unique thing about that is ultimately the SFR is going to -- you're going to win or lose based on your cost of acquisition. And at the courthouse with 20 other people, you're going to have a high cost. Is this NPL pool, I mean assuming you can buy them right at the right discount to BPOs, et cetera. I mean, do you see that sort of a resi version of loans of -- a loan to own strategy in a way where I think -- Altisource just spun out an IPO called resi where they're actually taken their special servicer and they're going to kind of retain the REO for their own sister company. Is that -- am I thinking clearly on the way you see it?

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · JMP Securities

I think you see us trying multiple ways to access the homes, right? And we're comfortable doing the workouts of the NPLs, and they're going to go together, right? They're going to go -- they're REO in the homes because it is a loan to own. I mean, we're buying the loan to own the house. But we don't own all the houses. Like I said we'll be trading out some of the stuff and we'll keep the stuff we want. It's kind of like you're doing a lot more work. It's kind of like buying the -- fishing in the ocean versus buying it at the shopping center, all cleaned and...

Steven C. Delaney - JMP Securities LLC, Research Division

Analyst · JMP Securities

Filleted and ready to put on the grill.

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · JMP Securities

Exactly. I mean, we're buying -- we're literally going to square one, the raw material, if you will. And it's more work but our basis we hope will be more attractive and we'll do both. And we are pretty busy. I mean, we bought -- we're buying a good number of homes and I think the complexion of what we're buying is a little different than what I've seen other guys in the market to -- we'll give you more disclosure in the next quarter but you'll see what they've done in terms of geographic. We have one state that's typically not in these deals that I've seen which I like and I think you'll like. We have a good team and they've done a nice job. I'm just coaching. They've doing a good job.

Operator

Operator

And that concludes our question-and-answer session. I'll turn it back over to our presenters for any closing remarks.

Barry S. Sternlicht

Analyst · Wells Fargo

Thanks for being with us this morning, and Stew and Andrew and then Boyd and the rest of us are available to answer your questions. Thanks again. Take care.

Operator

Operator

That concludes today's conference call. We appreciate your participation.