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Q1 2017 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 21, 2017

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the SunTrust first quarter conference call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. I would now line to turn the conference over to Ankur Vyas, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Ankur Vyas

Analyst

Thank you Cynthia. Good morning and welcome to SunTrust first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Thank you for joining us. In addition to today's press release, we have also provided a presentation that covers the topics we plan to address during the call. The press release, presentation and detailed financial schedules can be accessed at investors.suntrust.com. With me today, among other members of our executive management team are Bill Rogers, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Aleem Gillani, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I need to remind you that our comments today may include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainty and actual results could differ materially. We list the factors that might cause actual results to differ materially in our SEC filings which are available on our website. During the call, we will discuss non-GAAP financial measures when talking about the company's performance. You can find the reconciliation of these measures to GAAP financial measures in our press release and on our website, investors.suntrust.com. Finally, SunTrust is not responsible for and does not edit, nor guarantee the accuracy of our earnings teleconference transcripts provided by third-parties. The only authorized live and archived webcasts are located on our website. With that, I will turn the call over to Bill.

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Thanks Ankur and good morning everybody. I will begin with a brief overview of the quarter and then I am going to turn it over to Aleem for additional details including our results at the business segment level. I will conclude with some perspectives on how this quarter's performance fits into our long-term strategy and investment thesis and how this strategy is enhanced by our recent organizational changes. We reported $0.91 of our earnings per share this quarter, which after excluding $0.04 of tax-related benefits was up 4% compared to the prior year. At a high level, the financial performance we delivered this quarter is a direct result of investing in ourselves to strengthen our client franchise and create a business mix that delivers consistent results in different macroeconomic environments. This has been and will continue to be a key driver of our success. More specifically, this quarter we had yet another record for investment banking income. Our investments in SunTrust Robinson Humphrey and the broader wholesale banking platform continued to deliver results and it's clear that our teammates are becoming increasingly effective at working together to deliver the breadth of our capabilities to new and existing clients. Additionally, mortgage servicing, a business we grew deliberately over the past several years, was up $33 million sequentially, which more than offset the decline in mortgage production. Further, our recent acquisition of Pillar provided us approximately $20 million of incremental revenue complementing our traditional CRE lending business. And lastly, our ongoing investments in LightStream, credit card and other consumer lending initiatives are delivering profitable growth. These growth initiatives coupled with benefits from an improved interest rate environment and our focus on optimizing the balance sheet drove a 3% sequential and a 7% year-over-year increase in revenue. As anticipated, expenses increased sequentially, driven primarily by a seasonal uptick in employee benefits related cost. In addition, we are making further investments in technology throughout the company to improve the client experience and drive future efficiency. As a result, our tangible efficiency ratio increased from the fourth quarter to 64.6% but was slightly better than our own expectations and we fully expect to achieve the efficiency ratio target we set for ourselves this year. Overall, asset quality remained strong, stable and well within our guidance. Energy related losses declined further, which drove the reduction in the net charge-offs and non-performing loans. We continue to maintain underwriting discipline across the company in addition to ensuring a consistent focus on portfolio diversity, both of which will result in further capital efficiency from a strong starting point of 9.5% Common Tier 1 ratio on a fully phased-in basis. So with that as a quick overview, let me turn it over to Aleem who is going to provide some more details on this quarter's performance.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Thanks Bill and good morning everybody and thank you for joining us this morning. I will start on slide four and cover our net interest margin, which increased nine basis points as a result of the steeper yield curve, which positively impacted the securities portfolio and mortgage yields and the increase in contractual short-term rates. The typical first quarter day count effect also positively contributed three basis points to the sequential improvement in margin. Net interest income increased 2% sequentially and 6% year-over-year as a result of higher rate balance sheet growth and our continued focus on optimizing loan mix. Looking to the second quarter, we expect the net interest margin to increase by a further one to two basis points. This is lower than the first quarter increase as the benefits from lower premium amortization expense and day counts will not repeat. We will continue to manage through a moderately asset sensitive balance sheet while being cognizant of opportunities to add duration if the yield curve steepens. Moving on the slide five. You will see that non-interest income increased 4% sequentially and 8% year-over-year. Investment banking had another record quarter and was up $45 million sequentially and $69 million year-over-year as our wholesale banking teammates did an outstanding job in helping clients capitalize upon strong market conditions. Growth was broad based across the entire CIB platform, though particularly strong in syndicated finance and M&A. As Bill mentioned earlier, the consistent growth of our CIB business is a reflection of both the investments we have been making for many years and the one team approach that wholesale delivering to our clients. Mortgage related income increased by $8 million sequentially as the anticipated declines in production income were more than offset by a $33 million increase in servicing income, which benefited…

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Okay. Thanks Aleem. So to conclude, I want to point to slide 15 which highlights how this quarter's performance aligned with our overall investment thesis. So first, we have made targeted investments in growing our client businesses and diversifying our revenue mix over the last several years. These investments coupled with the improving interest rate environment helped drive strong 7% year-over-year revenue growth. A little more specifically our investments in consumer lending helped offset lower growth in other areas while also enhancing returns, consumer private wealth and wholesale delivered strong 6% and 7% year-over-year deposit growth respectively as a result of our focus on meeting more clients' deposit and payments needs and our 10-year plus investments in talent and capabilities across SunTrust Robinson Humphrey continue to lead to deeper client relationships and significant revenue growth. In addition, we have made and continue to make meaningful investments in technology to modernize our infrastructure and deliver differentiated experiences which embody our purpose, meet evolving client needs and position us for growth. In the first quarter specifically, we enhanced our consumer digital capabilities, added small business banking to our new wholesale loan origination platform, upgraded our treasury management mobile capabilities and began to conduct test of robotic process automation across mortgage and wholesale lending. While these investments have the potential to create further efficiencies, they are first and foremost about delivering improved client experience with strong executional excellence. Going forward, our opportunity set is significant and we will make further investments in enhancing the client experience. As Aleem noted earlier, effective April 3, we integrated our mortgage segment with consumer banking and private wealth management to create a new consumer segment under Mark Chancy's leadership. Mark and the team already have significant momentum on which to build and we expect to create a…

Ankur Vyas

Analyst

Cynthia, we are now ready to begin the Q&A portion of the call. As we do that, I would like to ask all participants to please limit yourselves to one primary question and only one follow-up in order that we can accommodate as many of you as possible.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our first question will come from the line of Ryan Nash with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Ryan Nash

Analyst

Hi. Good morning guys.

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Good morning Ryan.

Ryan Nash

Analyst

Bill, maybe I will just start with expenses. You noted that they are going to decline from this quarter. So I just want to make sure I got the guidance right. Will they decline each subsequent quarter? And then I guess related to that, I think the presentation noted that you are going to be closing another 3% of branches this quarter. Should we expect to see similar repositioning costs in the second quarter? And is that baked into your expense guidance?

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Yes. Ryan, first let me say and you know, as Aleem said, we sort of start with thinking about efficiency ratio on a year-over-year basis versus a quarter-to-quarter basis. So while we were up in the first quarter and overall, some of that element was due to expenses supporting our revenue growth and then some was episodic and idiosyncratic to FDIC posting order, stock price appreciation, Pillar, a lot of things that Aleem's already referred to as well as our core tenet to continue to invest in our strategic platform. But as Aleem said, what we said is as it relates to this quarter, that's the high watermark for both dollars and percent for this year, I mean bar anything that we can't anticipate. And whether it's a quarter-to-quarter, we will have some fluctuations. Some of that will be dependent upon revenue. I don't anticipate a lot more on the branch side. We have sort of done the, as you noted, we have got the 3%. We took most of the cost related to that in the first quarter. I don't anticipate an additional charge related to branch closures and the additional plan that we have. And so factoring all of that in, including the rate hikes, we are ahead of where we thought we were. So if we look at our own planning, right now although the number seems higher, we are ahead of where we thought we were and our confidence in getting to that 61% to 62% is very strong.

Ryan Nash

Analyst

Got it. And then maybe if I can ask one to Aleem. Aleem, maybe if you could just talk about what's built into the net interest margin in terms of further rate hikes? I think you had said last quarter, June and December. So how should we think about the margin for the remainder of 2017 if the forward curve proves to be correct?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

All right. Yes. We had originally been thinking that rate increases for 2017 would be due in December given the March increase. We think that's a little bit of a pull forward and maybe June and December now looks something like March and September. So that will help a little bit on a full-year basis. As we said for Q2, we do expect we will get another one or two basis points in NIM in addition to the 9% that we delivered in Q1. And if I try to look sort of full year overall, we then participated one more anticipated rate hike later this year. You know we are normally conservative in the way we think about rate hikes, but we are including that one in. If I think about the full year NIM, what that's going to look like, right now we are thinking that will kind of average probably something like 3.10% or so full year.

Ryan Nash

Analyst

Got it. Thanks for taking my question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John McDonald with Bernstein. Your line is open

John McDonald

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

Hi. Good morning. Aleem, just a follow-up on the NIM comments there. Could you just remind us, you mentioned deposit betas remain low, what exactly are you seeing in terms of deposit betas on the retail and commercial? And what kind of beta is baked into your rate sensitivity disclosures when you look ahead?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

What we incorporate in our modeling, when you take a look at our asset sensitivity that you see in the release what we normally incorporate in our modeling there is kind of a full through the cycle beta so that long-term investors get a good sense of what that's going to look like over the long term. And what we are thinking there pull through the cycle is about a 50 or so beta full company full cycle. Obviously, we have been able to hold the line on liability costs so far and provide our clients with a value proposition that they see from us that's not just based on rate. The differentiation between business clients and consumer clients is apparent. Business clients, as you can imagine, with large dollars to deposit are normally more sensitive on betas that are a little bit higher. As I look forward to the rest of the year, it wouldn't surprise me if we saw overall betas for the company in that kind of 25 or so range for the remainder of this year and climbing through 18 to 19 If we get something that looks like the forward curve and if we get sort of measured pace of rate increases from the Fed. All of this is dependent on timing of rate hikes, the competitive environment, obviously and to some extent the steepness of the curve.

John McDonald

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

Okay. Great. And as a follow-up, just on the loan growth side. You posted some good C&I growth in a tough quarter for the industry. What are you seeing in terms of the C&I loan demand dynamics? And where does SunTrust see opportunities to grow loans this year, even if the industry trends remain sluggish?

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

Yes. I will take that. I think the good news is that it's highly diversified. So I can't point to one area and say this was a particular area that accounted for the high percentage of the growth. It's really related to all the investments we have made and the strategies that we have put in place and I think directly correlated to what you see on the fee based side because that's also evidence of the advice that we are giving clients. And I think that results in stronger asset growth. As you know, we don't manage to loan outstandings as a benchmark. We look at production. We look at paydowns, utilization and pipelines and there's some ups and downs related to all that, but all of that put together keeps us being fairly optimistic about where we can go.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

Yes. John, as I said in my comments, the SunTrust Business Pulse Survey that we did with our business clients came back with very positive results with many of our clients, 75% feeling really positive about their business. And just yesterday, we received the results of our CRE survey where we surveyed 200 CEOs of CRE clients and that was also very positive with many of them thinking that given the message that they are hearing from DC and then expectations that the administration will be able to deliver on some of those promises, that their growth prospects in 2017, 2018 and 2019 look very good.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

All that being said, we have to reflect on, there is still a bit of a wait and see out there and I don't think that's illogical whether it's tax or healthcare regulation reform. And you saw the market react pretty quickly to some comments related to tax reform. So I think there's still a little bit of wait and see out there and we will look to the next quarters as it relates to a potential inflection point.

John McDonald

Analyst · Bernstein. Your line is open

Okay. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Matt O'Connor with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open

Matt O'Connor

Analyst

Good morning.

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Hi Matt.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Hi Matt.

Matt O'Connor

Analyst

I was hoping to drill down on the expenses a little bit. I think you said on an absolute basis it will decline from here through the rest of the year and just wanted to get a little more color in terms of the drivers of that? And then specifically, it seems like the cost might have been a little inflated within the consumer segment this quarter, not only the branch cost that you called out, but maybe some other stuff as well. So just trying to get a little more clarity on the cost overall and then specifically on the consumer side of things.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Well, Matt, the Q1 is typically the high watermark for us anyway. So the primary reason for that in Q1 is employee benefits cost, FICA and 401k. And the majority of the decline therefore from Q1 is actually going to be that bump up in benefits cost going away. Having said that, as you pointed out, there will be other costs that I think will be removed over the course of the year. We have several efficiency initiatives that are underway. As Bill said, the effect of branch closure cost has primarily been taken early. They are still going to be a couple million here and there over the course of the year but nothing as significant as we saw in the first quarter. And some of our other efficiency initiatives are in the space of third-party management vendor costs. We have got some work going on in the area of telecommunications costs. So we expect that as those initiatives come to fruition over the course of the year that a lot of those costs will disappear.

Matt O'Connor

Analyst

Okay. And then just any comment on full year expenses? I know you have given us this efficiency ratio, but as you think on an absolute basis, cost decline from here? Any sense on what they might look like on a full year basis?

Bill Rogers

Analyst

For full-year basis, we are very focused on the efficiency of the company. And we are happy to be able to note five straight years of improved efficiency at SunTrust. And looking forward for the remainder of 2017, I fully expect that at the end of this year we will have a sixth straight year of efficiency improvement.

Matt O'Connor

Analyst

Okay. All right. It's very clear. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Geoffrey Elliott with Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Geoffrey Elliott

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Good morning. Thank you for taking the question.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Good morning Geoff.

Geoffrey Elliott

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Good morning. The continued growth in indirect, I am guessing, driven by auto. And kind of curious there, is there an opportunity opening up as some of the other banks pull back?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

I think if you are looking at year-over-year growth, Geoff, it's a little bit deceiving because of the base from last year. You will recall that what we have been doing with indirect over the last several years is when we see opportunities to manage our overall asset base, we have been a regular seller or securitizer of non-core or low ROA indirect auto loans. And in 3Q last year, we securitized $1 billion. So after that decline in 3Q, if you are looking at year-over-year numbers, naturally you will see growth as a result of that sale. But having said that, when we take a look at our indirect auto right now at the end of Q1, I am pleased actually that our overall weighted average FICO for indirect auto loans is slightly up and our overall LTV on indirect auto loans are slightly down. So if I look at the quality of our indirect auto book, I think right now it's actually pretty good.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Yes. And maybe just to embellish that is, we are not leaning in on indirect. There are places where we are very specifically leaning in on consumer lending and commercial and other areas. And what we are doing with indirect is making sure that supports our overall businesses. And we play in that prime to superprime area as a Aleem noted. So we see it as just a good continuation of our strategy.

Geoffrey Elliott

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Thanks. And then just following up on auto. I know within LightStream, you have got a pretty significant contribution from auto, most of it unsecured. Can you give us a bit more detail on the nature of the products and the size of the opportunity there?

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

The nature of the products in LightStream, yes. They are made up of a number of different types of loans.

Geoffrey Elliott

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Unsecured auto, I guess is what I wanted to focus on.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

It is. Yes. So we have got unsecured auto there. We also have secured auto and other types of products that we have got on LightStream are unsecured and secured non-auto loans and then we also have debt consolidation loans. So across the board, looking at the composition, I don't have in my head exactly how much is auto versus non-auto, but the total amount of the LightStream portfolio now, Geoff, is $3.3 billion at the end of the first quarter.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Yes. The unsecured for auto is superprime part of the portfolio. Average FICO in LightStream is 770 something. It's a high prime, superprime product, particularly in that unsecured area. And overall portfolio yield north of five.

Geoffrey Elliott

Analyst · Autonomous Research. Your line is helping.

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Usdin with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Ken Usdin

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Good morning, Ken.

Ken Usdin

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about credit which, as you mentioned, is in your ranges and you are not expecting to have to build a release much from here. But there was a credit out there that was pretty fairly public. I know you don't talk about singular credits out there, but just in the context of, did you see any lumpiness still in C&I, because I am noticing just a big decline in NPA still? And there just doesn't seem to be anything filling the bucket behind. So could you first just talk about any lumpiness that we are starting to see here on the C&I side, if at all?

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Well, in C&I, obviously that book is lumpy by nature and so there is going to be some lumpiness as individual credits deteriorate over the course of the year. As you said, Ken, we don't reference clients by name, but you know us. We are pretty conservative and if we see credit deterioration in a name, we are going to react. So you can expect that if there is an action that we needed to have been taken in the first quarter, we would have taken it.

Ken Usdin

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Understood. Well put. And then second, my follow-up just on, also on the consumer side, you have always pointed out that there is this nice lag between the residential delinquency and charge-offs on those debt side of the book. And so can you just talk a little bit about how much more extra benefit you might still have ahead on the resi side? And then just anything to note on the consumer side, just given some of the newer growth and seasoning there? Thanks guys.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Yes. I think most of the benefit in resi, Ken, has come through. Over the last several years, the quality of both our home equity and mortgage books has been pristine and we have enjoyed the advantage of that type of really high quality origination. But most of the decline in reserves that had been built in previous years has been taken. If your question is leading to where we expect the allowance to go overall, I would think that the allowance ratio for the company would be generally pretty stable within a few basis points of where we are now. And you have seen that stability from us in the last few quarters. I would expect that to continue for the remainder of the year.

Ken Usdin

Analyst · Jefferies. Your line is open.

Okay. Thanks Aleem.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gerard Cassidy with RBC. Your line is open.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Thank you. Good morning guys.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Good morning George.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

I think it was back in 2014, you guys started a program for the capital markets part of your company to go after customers that were not CIB customers. Could you tell us, in this quarter what percentage of the business is coming from non-CIB? And how is that trending since you implemented that plan?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

I will tell you that we provide capital market services to all of our wholesale clients, including those in our commercial banking area and those in our CRE area. So we look at our clients kind of holistically and we approach them as one team with all of the products that they are going to need, whether those are loans or capital market services. If you look at our results this quarter in the context of over an industry loan growth that's not growing, you see that our capital markets business did particularly well and that's because we were able to provide both corporate and commercial clients with the capital market services they need. We don't really break down in detail externally how much of that comes from CRE and commercial clients, but if you want to think about at a high level, 15% to 20% of capital markets revenues come from commercial and CRE as well as private wealth clients in the context of the total.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Yes. I would say that overall strategy is a key part of our growth dynamic going forward. Quarter-to-quarter, it's going to fluctuate. So this quarter, a little down in commercial, but it was up in CRE, as an example. So just quarter-to-quarter it might fluctuate and year-over-year it's up substantially and at the numbers that Aleem was talking about.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Great. And then a bigger picture question. We all know the industry has changed dramatically in the last 20 years, more capital, higher efficiency ratios for yourselves as well as everybody else, which obviously means lower profitability and the ROE number of course is still below 10%, ROTC obviously is over 11% this quarter. The ROA though, it's interesting you guys are around 93 basis points. Where do you think that goes to the ROA now with the new, obviously you have got the LCR ratio which hurts the profitability, what's a normal ROA once we get into a normal interest rate environment maybe over the next two or three years for you guys?

Bill Rogers

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Well, if you think back, George, you started your question with kind of where we are long term normalize before the crisis and long-term normalize before the crisis for SunTrust, it was uncommon for us at all to show ROA that were in the 110. And as I look forward from here, that kind of a number would be the kind of number that we would be targeting for the company given the business mix and our ability to deliver services to our client base today.

Gerard Cassidy

Analyst · RBC. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hi. Good morning. Maybe we could just start on CCAR and payout ratio. You guys have been around 30% dividend payout ratio. Is there any comfort at this point to move that higher? And then should we think about capital return approaching 100% move forward? Thanks.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Good morning Michael. Thank you for the question. Yes. I think as we look at the guidance that the regulators have provided to the industry, one of the items of that they have noted for main street banks like us, is that the focus in CCAR this year will move to move a more quantitative approach and some of the constraints that had been placed on the industry have been moved toward those banks that require more tailored regulation and away from banks that have a more vanilla business model like us. So given the removal of some of those constraints, we would hope to be able to, on an overall basis, respond to the needs of our owners and change overall payouts and payout mix towards something that we think is more in the context of our long run payout ratios and mix and what they are asking for.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Great. That's great color. And then just switching to credit. A lot of talk this quarter on strip centers. Can you just remind us of your exposure? And may be if you are still comfortable running into that asset class or if you have pulled back? Thanks.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Yes. Maybe I will take that and just do it in sort of the overall category of retail and staying thematically on inter and intra diversity which has sort of been a core component of our focus for the last five years. So it started sort of a big number, got a little over $5 billion, 3.5% of total loans that sort of fit into that category. Commercial real estate would be about $900 million of that and the mall component of that would be very, very small. REITs would be about $700 million of that. Again, the mall component of that smaller and the preponderance of all that investment grade. And then the all other sort of in about $3.6 billion is really diversified both by geography and by product type. So it's everything, grocery, gas station, drug stores, home and furniture. But again very, very broad based.

Michael Rose

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Great, Thanks for taking my questions.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Raymond James. Your line is open.

Sure.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of John Pancari with Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

John Pancari

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Good morning.

Bill Rogers

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Good morning John.

John Pancari

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

On the expense side, the operating losses, I know that it was higher in the quarter. Could you just clarify again what drove that? And then separately on the efficiency ratio, I know you gave guidance for FY 2017 and you gave the longer-term guidance of below 60% by 2019. How do you think about 2018? If you could give us a little bit of color about how the efficiency ratio could look for the year for 2018? Thanks.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

All right. Well, I will talk about our operating losses first. Yes, it’s a few million dollars higher this quarter. That actually relates to legal accrual that we took this quarter on a specific instance. So that's the context of the few million dollars. Efficiency ratio, John, what we try to do is we try to improve it every year. So in 2017, our intent is to get the somewhere between 61% and 62%. For 2019, our intent is to get below 60%. There are several people who just draw a straight line between those two. That's not our guidance but that's what several people do. And in the context of, we try to improve every year. We will try to improve in 2018 from 2017.

John Pancari

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Okay. All right. Thanks. And then separately on the loan growth front, can just give us a little bit more detail on the decline on the end-of-period basis that you saw in overall commercial? And is that just some of the reluctance in the wait and see attitude that’s showing up there? And how soon could we see a nice pick up there on C&I? And then did you actually quantify your utilization rate and what the actual pipeline did for the quarter?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Let me try to hit some of those. I think, yes, the answer is, it's a little bit of a latency, but it's also a little bit of the capital markets. So those are related. So there was opportunity for clients to take advantage of capital markets and it was a good environment, good rate environment, good appetite and the good news is we benefit on that side of the equation, from that standpoint. As it relates to the utilization, it's just slightly up. So I think slightly is a really important thing. Utilization over the last five years has been pretty flat. So any quarter can be slightly up or slightly down. I think it's tricky to get too much of a read into that. Pipelines, if we look at sort of the early stage pipelines, they are really good. There's a lot of conversations. There's proactive desire to want to do some things. People have got from drawing board. If we look at later stage pipelines, they fall under that latency category. They are slightly down. So if we put all that into balance, I think it's consistent with everything we said.

Ankur Vyas

Analyst · Evercore ISI. Your line is open.

Cynthia, we can go to the next question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that will be from the line of Erika Najarian with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Erika Najarian

Analyst

Hi. Good morning.

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Good morning Erika.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Hi Erika.

Erika Najarian

Analyst

I just wondered, one question, just wanted to zoom out on the landscape for a bit. There seems to be bipartisan support to amend the official SIFI buffer to $250 billion and I wonder if with SunTrust's $204 billion assets, if that does get passed through Congress, does that change how you are thinking about inorganic growth versus organic growth opportunities?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Well, I like to think about this is an efficient frontier and you sort of find out where you are on the efficient frontier. Today, we think we are in a great place on the efficient frontier. We are big enough to absorb all the costs that we need to do from a regulatory standpoint and also make the investments we need to make in our business. What we have talked about as sort of tailored regulation in contrast, so while there is some dialog around official levels, there is also a lot of dialog around risk based establishment of capital levels that wouldn't be dependent upon necessarily an asset level. So the net of all that, we will be in the athletic position to move to wherever the ball goes. And if $250 billion is a hard line, then we will look at our strategy as we are several years away from that. So we have got time and capacity to build to do the things that we need to do and we will adjust and define our strategies based on where they land. But right now, I think we are really in the perfect place. We have got a risk-based model that's a lower risk-based model and that we are at an asset size that allows us to really compete highly effectively and under any sort of threshold, I think we will be sort of under the thresholds versus over the thresholds.

Erika Najarian

Analyst

Got it. Thank you.

Ankur Vyas

Analyst

Cynthia, we have time for one more question.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that will come from the line of Stephen Scouten with Sandler O'Neill. Your line is open.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Hi guys. Thanks a lot. So I just wanted to follow up on some questions about credit. Any other areas that you are seeing any early signs of concern? I know we have seen some healthcare credits maybe show some weakness this quarter, especially on the syndicated side of things. Any changes that you guys are making to concentrations in certain areas?

Bill Rogers

Analyst

Steve, we are actually very pleased with what we are seeing in the credit landscape right now. If we look across all of our businesses, our exposure to the clients that we would like to have, is just about perfect in the context of client mix, loan mix. And looking across, we are not seeing areas of weakness across anyone of the businesses in which we focus that would worry us to any material level at all. Now having said that, I might have just jinxed us. So I am knocking on the table right now. But right now, talking with our risk folks and our frontline folks, they are feeling really good about what they are hearing from clients and what they are seeing in the industry.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

But it also just undermines when times are good is when you plan the most and staying really committed to the diversity of our business model is critical. So if we do see one pocket whether it's one credit or one geography or one issue, we want to be in a position that, that doesn't impact our long-term objectives and opportunities.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Okay. That's fantastic. And then just one follow-up on the loan growth. Do you guys still think you can grow kind of at the pace of one to two times GDP in the longer term? And maybe do we need a specific catalyst here in the near term to see something that more approximate that in the next couple quarters?

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Well, our ability to grow, I think at north of GDP is well proven. We have got the infrastructure. We have got the product base. We have got the teammate talent. We have got the client mix to be able to continue to do that. And I would fully expect that we will continue to be able to do that. Now of course that's not in any given quarter, there's going to be quarterly volatility. But as I look out sort of year-over-year or through the cycle, yes, I fully expect that we are going to be able to grow north of GDP even north of GDP in our footprint and our footprint has shown good ability to grow north of national GDP.

Stephen Scouten

Analyst

Fantastic. Thank so much guys. I appreciate it.

Aleem Gillani

Analyst

Thank you.

Ankur Vyas

Analyst

This concludes our call. Thanks to everyone for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact the Investor Relations department. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

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