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Q2 2015 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 6, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Intrawest Resorts Holdings Second Quarter Fiscal Year 2015 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star, zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Liz Derosier of ICR. Thank you, you may begin.

Liz Derosier

Management

Thank you. Good morning everyone and welcome to the Intrawest Resorts Holdings’ Fiscal 2015 Second Quarter Earnings conference call. After our prepared remarks, there will be a brief question and answer session. I would like to remind you that some of the comments made by management during the conference call contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to vary, which are discussed in our public filings filed with the SEC, including reports filed under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. We caution you not to put undue reliance on forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements made during this call speak only as of the date of this call and we undertake no duty to update or revise these statements. In addition, some of the comments made on this call may refer to certain measures such as adjusted EBITDA, which are non-GAAP measures. Although adjusted EBITDA is not a substitute for net income or other GAAP measures, management believes adjusted EBITDA is useful in measuring the operating performance of our business. For a full reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to GAAP results in accordance with Regulation G, please see our press release furnished as an exhibit to our Form 8-K dated February 6, 2015. This and the presentation that accompanies today’s call are located in the Investor Relations area on our website at www.intrawest.com. Our call today will include remarks from Tom Marano, Chief Executive Officer, and Travis Mayer, Chief Financial Officer. Now I will turn the call to Intrawest’s CEO, Tom Marano.

Thomas Marano

Management

Thank you, Liz, and welcome everyone. Having joined Intrawest about two and a half months ago, I have had the opportunity to tour several of our resorts and see their flow and rhythm during peak and non-peak operating periods. I have also had the opportunity to spend time with all of our leaders across the company. This process has been incredibly informative and have left me even more enthusiastic about Intrawest’s prospects than I was when I accepted the position as CEO. With Travis Mayer taking on the Chief Financial Officer role, Sky Foulkes’ promotion to Chief Operating Officer, and other strong leaders throughout the company, I am convinced that this is the right mix of fresh eyes and existing talent to grow the business. My interactions these past few months have further reinforced my view of the quality and value of our staff. In conversations with our guests, I have learned that they find our staff to be friendly and highly knowledgeable, which enhances a guest experience at an Intrawest resort. From these conversations, I also discovered that many guests are not aware of our entire portfolio of assets and seemingly are quite open to exploring our other destinations. This is a huge opportunity for us and plays into our strategy to better cross-market our resorts in part through multi-resort season passes. As part of this strategy, we have begun to incent our staff to cross-sell CMH trips as well as east-to-west trips in the United States, and cross-border travel between our Canadian and U.S. operations. While currency translation adjustments from a stronger U.S. dollar affect our GAAP results, similar to other companies with foreign operations, a weaker Canadian dollar makes our Canadian resorts and CMH more affordable for U.S. customers. We also have the ability to grow by…

Travis Mayer

Management

Thanks Tom, and good morning. As Tom mentioned, since the transaction in September when we acquired the remaining 50% of Blue Mountain that we did not previously own, Blue’s results have been included in our consolidated financials; therefore, our results for our fiscal second quarter include 100% of the skier visits, revenue and EBITDA from Blue Mountain whereas in the prior year period, our then-50% interest in Blue Mountain was accounted for under the equity method and our results included only 50% of Blue’s EBITDA and none of Blue’s skier visits or revenue. The inclusion of 100% of Blue’s revenue in the most recent fiscal second quarter created substantial revenue growth relative to the prior year period; however, the impact from including the additional 50% of Blue’s EBITDA this quarter was minimal relative to the prior year period as our mountain adjusted EBITDA for our fiscal second quarter is historically about breakeven. For comparative purposes, I will reference metrics that exclude Blue in all periods, as appropriate. In the fiscal second quarter, we had total segment revenues of $120.1 million, which represents 18.3% growth over the prior year period. Excluding Blue, total segment revenue grew 3.5%. We are pleased with this same store revenue growth given the challenging early season weather and conditions in the east relative to last year. Our total adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was approximately $100,000 compared to $1.7 million in the prior year period. Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter, while in line with our expectations, was lower than the prior year period largely due to higher corporate costs and higher helicopter maintenance expenses. Corporate costs increased primarily due to strengthening of our public company infrastructure, including additional headcount and IT services. As compared to the second quarter of the prior year, the Canadian dollar…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions] Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Shaun Kelley with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please proceed with you question.

Danny

Analyst

Hey guys, this is actually Danny on for Shaun. So just a quick question. Your updated guide, it says it was predicated on normal weather conditions, but we noted that snowfall across much of your portfolio is actually down versus last year, and you kind of touched on that a little bit. That being said, is it fair to assume that we’re still within normal volatility ranges that you’re used to seeing at this point of the season, or maybe if you could just elaborate on that a little bit. Thanks.

Travis Mayer

Management

Yes, this is Travis speaking. Thus far, we’re actually relatively close to the average historical snowfall at our resorts. We have a couple exceptions - Steamboat has been a little bit dry year-to-date, as has Mont Tremblant, but for the most part we’re pretty close to the long-term averages. We sort of contemplated that when we put together the guidance and the ranges that we just described, and we also took into account the fact that we’ve had quite a bit of snow the last week, which has, I think, helped reprogram the SNOW message and improved the conditions across the portfolio.

Thomas Marano

Management

Yeah, I would add the past week has actually been very good. We’ve seen 15 inches at Steamboat, more than 10 inches at Winter Park. I think everybody in the northeast should get in their car and go up to Stratton, which has had 33 inches in the past seven days, and they’re expecting more snow over the next few days. Snow Shoes has 13 inches, Tremblant has 11. We’ve got really good bases, and I think one of the things you have to consider, if you’re driving to a resort, especially in the east, you’re still going to go. It’s more things like really cold weather that will keep you away, because we have invested heavily in snow making equipment. Recently, we haven’t had to use it in the Vermont area and in the other parts of the northeast, but there’s good conditions out there now, so really we’re comfortable with not reflecting any concerns.

Danny

Analyst

Great, thank you. Just one last question on SG&A, you did call out higher expenses in the quarter. Maybe if you could just help us quantify--you know, in the change of the guidance, you didn’t talk about the FX impact, but how much of that is going to be the FX, and the increase in SG&A, is it just timing related or are we looking more at something on a full-year increase?

Travis Mayer

Management

The guidance we have provided has SG&A consistent with the assumption we used in the previous guidance, so there’s really no change on that front. Really the only significant change to the guidance is the FX. Like we said before, on a local currency basis we’re still in the original range.

Danny

Analyst

Great, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Asua Ahwoi with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Asua Ahwoi

Analyst · Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you, good morning. Just one from me. Given you have resorts both in Canada and the U.S., and you talk about the potential benefit that Canadian resorts should see from the weakening Canadian dollar, have you seen that? Is there any way you can quantify for us whether you’re seeing a shift from people wanting to go to your Canadian resorts versus some of your U.S. ones? Then similarly from the international customer considering a North American ski vacation, are you seeing the Canadian resorts play more favorably versus the U.S.?

Travis Mayer

Management

Morning, Asua. This is Travis again. So it’s really early. The Canadian dollar just weakened over the course of the last month, and the reality is that international guests book their trips generally a little way in advance, so we expect an impact perhaps later in this fiscal year, and then particularly at CMH for next year. But at this point, it’s too early to really have any numbers that would be useful to you.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Joel Simkins with Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Joel Simkins

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning. Tom, I know you’re early in the tenure here. Obviously you talked through a couple of low-hanging fruit opportunities on the cross-selling side. Can you just tell us, given that you came from a real estate and finance background, kind of what you’re seeing in the real estate portfolio and what kind of green shoots we should be looking for as you guys try to unlock some of that value?

Thomas Marano

Management

Sure. I think there’s a lot of opportunity in this real estate portfolio. We’ve seen some good recovery in prices for resort condos. I don’t think they’re on fire at the moment, but the prices are starting to come back. Since I’ve been here, I’ve seen a number of proposals that would involve anything from partnering with an outside partner to develop hotels, boutique hotels. I’ve seen opportunities that would potentially have themed hotels, and then we’ve also been evaluating some additional time share opportunities. Typically what will happen is--and I am surprised at how many things keep coming across my desk. It’s probably because of my prior experience on the Street and relationships I have there. My expectation is that we’re going to continue to evaluate all of these, and we really make our capital decisions in the third quarter, so I think there’s going to be some opportunities to do some interesting things down the road here, but we’re going to make those decisions on a case-by-case basis. We’re in the process of evaluating these things now, and we’ll make decisions in the third quarter.

Joel Simkins

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

And in terms of the less chunky capex for next summer, how are you guys thinking about other sort of on-mountain venues? I know the Lunch Rock has gone pretty well for you so far, so are you thinking about ways to sort of roll that platform out across the portfolio?

Travis Mayer

Management

Yeah, we’re going to talk about this on the next earnings call in quite a lot of detail, but I think it is safe to say we’ve had a lot of success with the food and beverage program and the investments we’ve made both in facilities and improved menus and food quality. That’s a strategy that we would like to continue.

Thomas Marano

Management

And again, I just want to reiterate, it’s not just food quality but it’s also atmosphere. It’s really creating something that makes people want to pay up to come to your resort, as well as spend money once they get there.

Joel Simkins

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. Then ballpark, can you just give us a sense of how significant fuel cost is for you, and if that’s sort of an opportunity for savings next year given that jet fuel is probably going to be a lot lower than it was when you were purchasing for the season.

Travis Mayer

Management

Yeah, I’ll start with the last part. I think the answer is yes, it’s hopefully going to be a source of savings for next year. We take deliveries for CMH, which is the biggest buyer with the Jet A for the helicopters, in September, but I don’t think we want to get into the business of disclosing individual expense items like that so we’re not going to give you a number.

Joel Simkins

Analyst · Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, that’s fair. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, press star, one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, you may need to pick up your handset before you press the star keys. Our next question comes from the line of Chris Woronka with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning, guys. Tom, just maybe a quick question on your thoughts. You talked a little bit about potentially some more alliances and also acquisitions. You guys have obviously done the roll-up of Blue, you have done a few alliances in the past year, but are you kind of thinking more bigger, more volume or bigger in size, or just your general thoughts on how you’re going to go about this.

Thomas Marano

Management

From my perspective, volume certainly is important because the more volume you put through, the more you make on the platform. But it’s got to be an alliance or an acquisition that is also strategic and provides an attractive return, so the challenge is there’s lots of stuff that comes your way, you just have to evaluate each one on a case-by-case basis and make sure it’s accretive or very, very strategic at driving more activity to your resorts.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, got you. Just to go back to the real estate, following up on the earlier question, if there is future development, do you have a sense or a goal as to how much capital you guys might want to allocate to that, or are you really trying to keep it capital-light and only develop with third parties?

Thomas Marano

Management

We’ll actually do both. I think some of the smaller projects that can give us a nice quick hit and return, we’ll do ourselves. As far as really big projects, and there are potentials down the road for some big projects at several of the resorts, especially in the hotel business, we would do that with partners.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Okay, understood. Finally, thanks for the data point - you mentioned, I think, 45.6% of your lift revenue was from season pass and frequent use products. Is there any general sense as to what you think that could get to if you wanted to strategically move it higher?

Travis Mayer

Management

I think it could continue to go up, but it’s a basic revenue management decision that you’re making a trade-off between giving people generally a discount on a per-day use basis versus getting them to pay ahead of time and getting them to commit to skiing a lot of days in the form of buying the pass. So we will continue to make that trade-off where it’s appropriate, and the percentage could continue to go up a little bit.

Chris Woronka

Analyst · Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.

Sure. Okay, very good. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Due to time constraints, our final question will come from the line of Joe Edelstein with Stephens. Please proceed with your question.

Joe Edelstein

Analyst

Hi, good morning.

Thomas Marano

Management

Morning, how are you?

Joe Edelstein

Analyst

Good, thank you. Just to clarify, how big is the customer database today that you can access for the cross-selling purposes?

Travis Mayer

Management

The ski days database is around 2.5 million discrete people, and there’s a separate database at CMH that’s 130,000. There is in some cases overlapping between the two, but largely distinct. For a point of reference, there is about 13 million active skiers and riders in North America, so the 2.5, if it represents a couple or a family, provides us access to a very large fraction of the active skiers and riders in North America.

Thomas Marano

Management

I would also add to that that we are very focused on leveraging the social media that we already do, and with those efforts that we’re starting to develop to grow social media, we’re really hoping to drive even more contacts with people that may not be in our database. If you think about skiing, it’s a very social business. People like to do it together, so we are going to try and leverage all of the typical social media platforms out there to drive more individual ticket sales and pass sales, and that’s something that I think we can do even better than we do today.

Joe Edelstein

Analyst

That sounds great. I had a separate question on the acquisition and just the overall industry level, but there was a recent conference, there was an industry exec who was calling for 150 smaller ski resorts to close over the next five to 10 years. I was curious what’s your take on that, and really how does that impact your acquisition strategy? Would you prefer to move upscale, target the mid-tier group? How are you thinking about that today?

Travis Mayer

Management

I have a hunch I know who the industry executive is you’re talking about, and he’s a great friend. But I think ultimately, although that’s a difficult message to deliver to some of the mom-and-pop operators around the country, I think it’s largely true that there is this tranche of the ski resorts that are challenged and are likely to probably go out of business at some point in the future. I think for people who have premium assets in good markets, that’s actually a good thing, which is really--you could categorize all of our resorts in that bucket. So as some of these challenged resorts go out of business, the market is stable or slightly growing and there is more market share to be split between the big, healthy, attractive players. So we think ultimately that’s a good trend for us. On the acquisition front, we have never really had any interest in buying any of those struggling resorts, so it doesn’t really have any impact there.

Joe Edelstein

Analyst

If you also think about the potential for alliances or shared pass programs, is the preference leaning more towards that direction, similar to what you’re doing with Copper, Eldora, and Crested Butte, compared to going through full acquisitions from this point? Is there a preference, or is it just case-by-case basis?

Thomas Marano

Management

Again, we’re actively looking at both. I’m just amazed at the sheer number of stuff that is coming across from not only an acquisition point of view but people who would like to get into the existing programs we have. So we’re looking at both, and we’re going to try and do things that enhance the experience of our guests but also enhance the return to our shareholders.

Joe Edelstein

Analyst

That sounds great, and good luck.

Travis Mayer

Management

Thank you.

Thomas Marano

Management

All right, well everybody thank you very much. I’m sorry we’re time constrained here, but appreciate your dialing in.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.