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StoneX Group Inc. (SNEX)

Q3 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, Aug 12, 2020

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Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the StoneX Group Inc. conference call. At this time, all participants lines are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, StoneX CFO, Bill Dunaway. Sir, the floor is yours.

William Dunaway

Analyst

Good morning. Welcome to our Earnings Conference Call for our Fiscal Third Quarter Ended June 30, 2020. After the market closed yesterday, we issued a press release reporting our results for our third fiscal quarter of 2020. This release is available on our website at www.stonex.com as well as the slide presentation, which we will refer to on this call in our discussions of our quarterly results and year-to-date results. You will need to signup on to the live webcast in order to view the presentation. The presentation and an archive of the webcast will also be available on our website after the call’s conclusion. Before getting underway, we are required to advise you and all participants should note, the following discussion should be taken in conjunction with the most recent financial statements and notes thereto as well as the most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K, subsequent Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q and other reports filed with the SEC by StoneX Group Inc. and GAIN Capital Holdings, Inc. This discussion may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. These forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which are detailed in our filings with the SEC. Although the company believes that its forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions regarding its business and future market conditions, there can be no assurances that the company’s actual results will not differ materially from any results expressed or implied by the company’s forward-looking statements. The company undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Readers are cautioned that any forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. With that,…

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Thanks, Sean. So there’s just two slides here that I’ll use as a reference for some of our updated financials from the most recent quarter, as Sean said, as an independent company. But just to give a little bit more information as a background here. As Sean mentioned, we had another strong quarter for our Q2, even after what was a standout record quarter for us in Q1 and given the prevailing environment of heightened activity and volatility in so many different markets, clearly, that translated into our customers being able to trade a lot of different markets and trade at high levels with overall volume level being higher, activity per customer being higher and most importantly, being able to attract and onboard new customers as we look towards the future. So on Slide 4 there, just a summary, second quarter review. Our net revenue for Q2 was $101 million, that was compared to a little over $75 million for the prior quarter in 2019. Our net income was $14.3 million compared to net income of $0.9 million for the same period the year before and adjusted EBITDA of $28.9 million compared to $13 million from Q2 of 2019. Important takeaway there is the operating leverage that’s exhibited in our business that when we are able to scale the business, our fixed costs don’t trail along. And we’re able to illustrate the operating leverage with much higher net income and EBITDA as it goes up. In terms of the overall volatility, again, that’s a big driver for our customers to be more heavily engaged. We did see vol continuing lots of different product types, whether it be metals or energies or currencies or equity indices, for example. And so what we call our ADV, or average daily volume, of $9.1…

William Dunaway

Analyst

Thank you, Glenn. I’ll be starting with Slide #7, which shows our performance over the last five fiscal quarters. As shown, we’re following up the record performance in the immediately preceding quarter with another strong performance in our fiscal third quarter with net income of $36.6 million, a return of equity of 21.9% and diluted earnings per share of $1.87 for the quarter and $4.71 for the year-to-date period, which exceeded our diluted earnings per share of $4.39 for all of fiscal 2019. Moving on to Slide #8, which represents a bridge between operating revenues for the third quarter of last year to the current period. Operating revenues were $322.6 million in the current period, up $39.2 million, or 14% over the prior year. As Sean noted, the quarterly performance was driven by our Securities and Physical Commodities segment, primarily driven by continued heightened periods of volatility and client activity due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Partially offsetting this was the headwinds of the global economic slowdown and the resulting reduced client hedging activity in our Commercial Hedging segment, as well as the effect of the drop in short-term interest rates, which drove reduced operating revenues in both our Commercial Hedging and, to a larger extent, our CES segment. Our Securities segment added $48.8 million, or 66% in operating revenues versus the prior year. Within this segment Equity Capital Markets more than doubled its revenues, adding $36.9 million on an 83% increase in volumes and a 68% increase in the revenue per $1,000 traded. Debt Capital Markets also had a strong quarter, adding $13 million in operating revenues versus the prior year. The spreads widening 22% versus the prior year and volumes growing 8%. Physical Commodities increased operating revenues $24.5 million, or 167% versus the prior year to a record $39.2…

Operator

Operator

Certainly. [Operator Instructions] Your first question will come from the line of Russell Mollen with Nine Ten Capital. Please go ahead with your question.

Russell Mollen - Nine Ten Capital Management, LLC

Analyst

Hey, how are you doing? Sean O’Connor: Good Russell. How are you?

Russell Mollen

Analyst

Good, good. I have a question here for, I guess, you or maybe Glenn here. On the table here, the second table of the GAIN results, the upper-right chart where it says direct volume per active account, can you just kind of help describe? I’m not sure I follow that chart. And maybe just with that, just help me understand, you get a customer retail client, who – what’s kind of the profile of that client, how much are they putting into their accounts or how active they are, how much dollar amounts they’re trading, that kind of thing? Sean O’Connor: Well, Glenn, I, think that’s for you, definitely.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Yes, absolutely. So, Russell, I’ll try to address what you’re saying, see if we can get an answer for you. So the direct volume per active account is, in that respect, just what it says, numerator, denominator, putting the number of active accounts. So these aren’t just onboarded accounts. These are customers that are active over the previous three months and then divided by the total volume. What’s going to drive that is a combination of volatility in certain markets. So keep in mind that we service over 140,000 customers in various markets. So in some markets like the U.S., we’ll provide ForEx trading. In other markets, like the U.K. or in Asia, we’ll provide CFD trading, which means other markets like equities, metals, energy, the interest rates, what have you. So depending on which of those markets are moving, that will drive how much volume comes per each client. So if you have an environment, for example, like we’ll see equity indices move and energies move and currencies move, then you’ll end up with customers of ours that have access to all those markets trading for all those markets. If it’s concentrated on a particular market, then it might just show up, for example, if currencies moving in the U.S. But again, I would – it’s an important measure for us to show how the activity is per customer. Now in the case of the chart here, you will notice a big spike on the upper left for new direct accounts, where we had a lot of onboarding because a lot of customers are engaging. If you’re following along on the retail side, it’s not just with GAIN, but a lot of other providers are seeing an uptick in people engaging in the markets and trading their accounts in a self-directed way. So we participated in that kind of newfound phenomenon as well. So you see the pretty material jump up in Q2 of 2020 versus Q1, that’s new customers coming onboard. So part of that would show a slightly lower direct volume per account, because you’re getting even bigger numbers of customers. And what I mentioned in my ad there during the call was that by able to plug into all the products and services that StoneX already has, we want to actually increase those numbers, because you can give them more products. So whether it’s cash equities or physical, metals or other types of services that StoneX already has, that’s an ecosystem we want to be able to leverage. Now the same customer will have access to more services. I hope that answers your question.

Russell Mollen

Analyst

Yes. So this is somewhere around, I don’t know, $5 million or $6 million, that’s notional value…

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

That’s going to be a notional value per customer and, again, it’s an average. So if you have a customer with $5,000 or $500,000, their notional is going to vary. And that notional is going to change a little bit based on the product mix. So if they’re trading notional amounts of gold versus notional amounts of the dollar yen, then that will move that as well. It’s more important to look at the trends and look at kind of the aggregate number, if you will.

Russell Mollen

Analyst

And the – like those amounts are really big, I don’t understand this, not familiar with the business being on the retail side as your customer base. So the amount of leverage or margin in the currency or commodities that is offered in the industry or that you offer is what type of level? Like you’re trading million dollars of currency, how much capital are they putting in?

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

That’s right, yes. So keep in mind a couple of things. Number one, it varies from product-to-product and based on the underlying requirements from exchanges and such, but also based on the volatility of each product. So if you look at the volatility, for example, in tech stocks, you might have a move of 2%, 5%, 10%, whereas if you look at a move in a major currency payer, you might have a 1% move or a 2% move. So right there, you’re going to have commensurate volatility, which means commensurate leverage provided. And a lot of that’s going to be driven by the local regulation in each area. As a company, we line up very well with StoneX’s kind of approach towards risk management, which is going to be on the kind of careful and conservative side. So we’re going to stay well within all the kind of regulatory guidelines and such on that one. And so what I’ll say is that, we have a really longstanding history as a company in terms of managing risk and in terms of managing customer exposure this way. But a lot of it’s predicated just from that philosophy and giving customers access to the markets, but not creating a situation kind of under leverage. And so in this case, the answer to your question really depends on the product mix. And so, as I said, generally speaking, currencies will provide more notional leverage. And, for example, if you were trading – just to give you an example, if you were trading the kind of notional S&P contract, that’s going to give you more leverage than trading a single stock, right? Because generally speaking, a single stock is going to have the potential for a much larger move intraday than the S&P would. And so in those cases, the notional for the required leverage, you’d get more notional on trading in S&P, CFD equivalent or future than you would on a single stock. Sean O’Connor: Hey, Russell, maybe if I could chime in, because I think…

Russell Mollen

Analyst

Sure. Sean O’Connor: …I know where you’re coming from there. So when we looked at the GAIN business, they basically look very much alike the futures side of our business, which is probably where we provide customers the most leverage, right, versus you’ve got – I guess, you’ve got cash equities on the one side, you’ve got Reg T, which is sort of 50% margin, somewhere in the middle; and then you’ve got futures, which just as a kind of a blunt number, it’s sort of 5% of the notional is kind of your initial margin. So GAIN is sort of at that end of the spectrum. They certainly will provide slightly more aggressive margin for the more stable currency pairs, because, as Glenn said, they don’t move that much, so that you can maybe give like more like a 3% margin. And they – but they tend to sort of deleverage clients. The other thing that’s interesting to note is, they do a lot overseas in the form of CFDs. And CFDs, I think, have sort of a bad sort of reputation generically. But when you actually really look at what the CFDs are, they are just really reconstructing what trades on the futures market. So if you’re doing a CFD on gold or a CFD on an index, what GAIN is really doing is replicating how an index would trade on a futures market and just doing that in the same format for retail customers. So basically, all of these guys are trading sort of futures-type products broadly. They’re not mom-and-pops, because I don’t think mom-and-pops would like to trade that. These customers of GAIN really sort of start at active investors to professional investors. And on a leverage basis, as you see there, they’re trading somewhere between $6 million and $8 million. But the higher-end of GAIN’s business trades multiples of that. I mean, it tends to be maybe 10% to 20%, it’s a 80-20 rule, but they will trade much higher numbers. So it’s an active traders’ market. It’s sort of a professional traders’ market. And it’s really sort of a future-style business, if that makes sense to you.

Russell Mollen

Analyst

It does. I appreciate that added color. Thank you. Sean O’Connor: Anything else, Russell?

Russell Mollen

Analyst

I don’t think so. Solid, solid… Sean O’Connor: Okay.

Russell Mollen

Analyst

…in what is a crazy world out there. Sean O’Connor: Yes. So – wow, it’s even crazier. We’re sitting here in Westchester, there’s no power, and we’re going to be out for a week is what they’re telling us. So it’s crazy over here as well.

William Dunaway

Analyst

On top of everything.

Russell Mollen

Analyst

All right. Sean O’Connor: Anyhow, operator, any other questions?

Operator

Operator

We do have a question from the line of Raj Sharma with B. Riley. Please go ahead with your question.

Raj Sharma - B. Riley FBR Inc.

Analyst

Yes. Thank you for taking my question. So congrats on the great acquisition and the excellent fit to the overall StoneX platform. So when we model GAIN into StoneX, I’m just trying to understand how it plays? And maybe this is a question for Glenn.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Hi, Raj.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Hi. On GAIN’s vision, do you think the new account growth at GAIN is all from COVID? Or is it because of – would it – is all the new account growth last year, how much of that would you attribute to COVID volatility? And how much – how should we look at it going forward? And then I’ve got a few other questions.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Sean, okay for me to that question? Sean O’Connor: Yes. Go ahead, dear.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Yes. So, hey, Raj, I know you’ve done work on us and it’s good to hear you. So a couple of things. On the one hand, a lot of our organic work on onboarding, on platforms, on making the journey easier for customers, it’s – the way we try to measure each initiative is to look – it’s quite simply, look at the trailing three months, six months, one year after an initiative is installed. So, for example, we recently put in a new onboarding tool that makes it a heck of a lot easier for customers literally are able to get their accounts sorted in seconds and minutes instead of hours and days. So the hard part happens when you look at that over three months, because you put in this clearly material change in the customer journey and you say it’s a clear improvement, and you look at – let’s just say, it goes up 15%, and you say, great, that new front door we put into the store totally made a difference. Where it gets challenging, though, is that in that particular three months that followed, we had a huge jump in volatility in just general awareness of markets. And so if you look – you said COVID. So when you ask the question, I’m not trying to not answer it. What I’m saying is yes. We made a bunch of changes in the last year to make our engagement with customers and our ability to onboard them much, much easier. That said, you look at the volatility and across the Board, we’ve never had a better market environment, because it wasn’t just a singular market. It wasn’t just currencies moving. It wasn’t just metals. It wasn’t just energy. It wasn’t just equity indices. It was all of them. And so on the one hand, clearly, the environment with so many different markets being engaging or being interesting, the customers definitely helped. Number two, there does appear to be kind of a mental shift with individuals. You’re not just seeing it at GAIN. You’re seeing it at other peers. You’re seeing it at other providers, interactive brokers, Robin Hood, whatever, across the Board, that customers are more engaged and so – and they want to trade. So that’s definitely – we’re a beneficiary of that as well. The last piece of this, though, is that when you have a bunch of improvements and then you layer them in, which are the ones that have the most lasting effect?

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Right.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

You have to wait for dust to settle a little bit. So we have to look at a year’s worth with high spikes like Q1 and Q2 and let’s say, markets are more normal, if you will, or regressed to the mean over the next six months to a year. You say, well, how much of that benefit did we retain, because now in more normal markets, we do have all these improvements and we should see a baseline increase year-over-year. But when you have this much kind of aberrational activity, it’s hard to know. jeez, is this because we made it so easy to deal with GAIN? Or is it also because these are incredibly enticing markets? It’s a combination of both. However, the last piece I’ll mention, which isn’t in your model, is if you look at all the products that StoneX has, that’s stuff we didn’t have access to before. So that’s going to be a step function for us to say, "Oh, now when a customer says, "jeez, I really have some interest in physical gold." Instead of saying, "Well, let us know how you make out." Now we say, "Hang on, let’s help you with that." So that’s the next journey here of all these work streams and all these integration opportunities is to say how do we plug into that and how do we make that part of the customer engagement with GAIN, because we can bring all these new services and products to bear.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

So that’s – yes, that’s great. So based – when I try to model it and model it into the StoneX, now clearly, there are going to be benefits. So, for example, a year ago, used – GAIN used to talk a lot about, hey, “We can do 30% to 35% EBITDA margins by 2021, right, with higher revenues and a relatively flat overhead, resulting in much higher earnings.” Now is that still sort of the view? I mean outside of the benefit from StoneX, that’s the way to look at the business?

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Look, scaling the business is by design, that doesn’t go away. I mean, the operating leverage that’s inherent in our model, being able to have an underlying basis of technology and capability, if you will, to scale a number of customers, to service them, to onboard them. We don’t have to add new compliance and customer service and admin staff every time we add another 10 clients. The hard part is getting the extra 10 clients and then just have all the revenue and profitability that flows from that, because very little moves on the underlying expense base. So yes, that operating leverage stays intact. And arguably, as you add more products into it, you bring in more customers for different reasons. But the underlying foundation of the business doesn’t have to scale with it, meaning, the expenses of it. You’re able to just scale the business using technology. And if we have other products to add, it just means we’re more enticing across the Board.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Got it. And just one last question. So when we look at the results, first-half of GAIN, how much of that you think were internal improvements versus what – versus COVID and the high volume throughput?

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

Yes. And I’m not trying to not answer your question except that, unfortunately, the best way to tell is to be – compare like-for-like periods. I – and again, we know it’s both, right?

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Right.

Glenn Stevens

Analyst

…because we clearly see in parts of the funnel when we look at the, what we like to call, the journey from the customer. And you say, “Hey, what percentage of our new applications are being proved – approved and how quickly do they get funded and things like that?” That’s not going to all be attributed to COVID. However, clearly, when you have markets that are moving and there’s a very enticing market to get involved in versus a very low volatility sideways trading market, in some cases, customers will be motivated to be more self-serving and say, "Oh, that didn’t work. I’ll resubmit. Oh, you need me to change my ID there to meet compliance. Oh, I’ll go hustle and do it." When they’re not, they’re like, "Yes. I’ll get around to it, but right now, I’m going to have lunch." And so you have to be able to look for like-for-like periods and then say, "Oh, look at that improvement." However, we are clearly seeing operational improvements at different points in the journey. So we know they’re working. To what extent, to answer your question, the best way to do it is to look back and compare similar-type period and then you can kind of isolate the benefit.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

I mean how… Sean O’Connor: I guess, Raj, at a very simple level, what I would say is, we really can’t control the macro sort of cycle, right?

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Right/ Sean O’Connor: …I mean, we clearly went through a big macro cycle. What we can control – and I think the sort of thesis of this investment is two things: we can become operationally easier to deal with, and that gives us a competitive advantage; and we can offer more diverse product set than our competitors. And if we do both of those things right, we should slowly get more market share no matter what the kind of macro environment is.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Gotcha. Sean O’Connor: So, the things we’re trying to solve for are – become as efficient as we can operationally and have the best product suite out there relative to the peer group. And if we do that right, we should get more market share no matter whether we’re having a quiet period or a busy period, right? So that’s I guess, how I would think about it.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Got it. Got it. Thank you. Thank you. That helps. Thank you. I’ll take it offline. Sean O’Connor: Okay.

Raj Sharma

Analyst

Thanks. Sean O’Connor: Operator, anyone else?

Operator

Operator

There are no other questions at this time. A - Sean O’Connor: Okay. Well, once again, we would like to thank everyone, a really exciting time for us. With GAIN now closed, we see this as transformational. And in the current market environment, I think, not only a great transaction for us with lots of commercial rationale, but I think in the current environment positions us extremely well to come out of the back-end of this much stronger, much more diversified with much greater earnings power. So really exciting time for us. Lots of work ahead. Obviously, lots of unforeseen twists and turns ahead, I’m sure, with the markets. But we are very confident and very excited. So thanks all. Stay safe and enjoy the rest of the summer.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Thank you, again, for joining us today. This does conclude the conference. You may now disconnect.