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SB Financial Group, Inc. (SBFG)

Q3 2018 Earnings Call· Fri, Oct 19, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to the SB Financial Groups Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] After today's presentation there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference call over to Ms. Melissa Martin, Investor Relations. Ma'am, please go ahead.

Melissa Martin

Analyst

Good morning, everyone. I would like to remind you that this call is being broadcast live over the Internet and will be archived and available on our Web site at www.yoursbfinancial.com under Investor Relations. Joining me today are Mark Klein, Chairman, President and CEO; Tony Cosentino, Chief Financial Officer; and Jon Gathman, Senior Lending Officer. This call may contain forward-looking statements regarding SB Financial's performance, anticipated plans, operational results and objectives. Forward-looking statements are based on management's expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied on our call today. We have identified a number of different factors within the forward-looking statements at the end of our earnings release, which you are encouraged to review. SB Financial undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement except as required by law after the date of this call. In addition to the financial results presented in accordance with GAAP, this call will also contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Klein.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Thank you, Melissa and good morning everyone. Nice to have you all with us for our third quarter 2018 webcast. Our comments today are certainly supplemented by the earnings release we filed yesterday. Highlights briefly for the quarter include net income of $3.1 million, 14.5% improvement over the prior year quarter representing a return on average assets now 1.3% or 3 basis point increase, diluted EPS for the quarter $0.39 per share representing a decrease of $0.01 per share or 1.7% from the linked quarter and $0.04 decrease or 9.3% from the prior year quarter primarily reflecting the implications of $30 million capital raise and 1.7 million additional common shares. Trailing 12 months EPS now stand at $1.78, 20% improvement over the prior year of $1.48. Operating revenue expanded slightly over 2Q and year-to-date as of over $3.4 million or 10.3%. Loan balances expanded over $18 million or 2.44% on a linked quarter and nearly $96 million or 14.3% from the year ago quarter. Deposits were $36 million or 4.8% and over $72 million or 10% from the year ago quarter. Expenses were up 2.45% from a linked quarter and up 6.1% from the prior year due to staffing needs and our regulatory and compliance areas. Mortgage origination volume was down $14 million or 13% from the June quarter and up nearly $6 million or 6.8% from the year ago quarter. Asset quality metrics as with prior quarters continue to be a strength of ours. SBA loan volume slowed a bit due to some timing constraints and was down significantly to $897,000 or 78% from the year ago quarter. For the year, originations totaled $12.5 million down $400,000 from the prior year of $12.9 million or 3%. As with prior quarters our results continued to reflect our level of commitment…

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

Thanks Mark. Good morning everyone. Recapping our earnings as Mark highlighted. Net income of $3.1 million and $0.39 per share. Net income up from the prior year, but our EPS was down due to our first quarter capital raise which added $1.7 million new common shares. Also the impact of the 2017 tax cuts are reflected in the reduction in our federal tax rate from 29.1% in 2017 to 20.9% currently. Some highlights for the quarter, operating revenue up 5% from the prior year flat from a linked quarter. Loan growth was up $96.6 million from September of last year or 14.3%. Loan sales delivered gains of $2.2 million from mortgage, small business and agriculture. Mortgage volume of $95.3 million was higher by 6.8% from the third quarter of 2017. And lastly, we continue to hold our non-performing assets steady with the NPA ratio at quarter end of 35 basis points. As we break down further our third quarter income statement, we will begin with our margin. Net interest income was up from the prior year by 17% up 1.2% to the linked quarter. End of period loan balances from the prior year of $96.6 million and our average loan yield for the quarter of 4.95% increased by 35 basis points from the prior year. Overall, our earning asset yield was up 43 basis points to the prior year. In addition to the balance sheet impact, we've had four rate increases that have affected our interest income this year and have driven yields higher. With 70% of our loans of a variable nature we will continue to see higher loan yields on average, but not necessarily increasing at the same pace that we are seeing funding costs rise. On the funding side, we continue to experience an increase in the…

Mark Klein

Analyst

Thank you, Tony. This quarter we continued to perform at a high level and were proud of the quarter that we've revealed. Highlighting our performance, again, was our double-digit expansion in net income reflecting 1.3% ROA driven by year-over-year loan growth of $97 million as Tony mentioned deposit growth of $72 million and $95 million in residential loan production. Our performance through the third quarter has positioned us quite well for a strong finish to the year. Our commercial pipeline stands at over $17 million. Our SBA pipeline reveals strength for the final quarter and residential real estate lending has transitioned clearly to the purchase market with great momentum. Our challenges will be to drive expansion of the liability side of the balance sheet to fund our loan growth at the margin given our 98% loan to deposit ratio as Tony mentioned. Our local and regional economies remain strong and clearly in concert with our intent to drive greater scale leading to improved efficiency and high performance. And I'll turn the call back to Melissa for questions and answers.

Melissa Martin

Analyst

Thank you, Mark. Operator we're now ready for our first question.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Sean Tobin from FIG Partners. Please go ahead with your question.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Good morning, Sean. Nice to have you with us.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Starting with loan growth. Third quarter loan growth was very healthy at 10% like annualized. Can you talk a little more about the pipeline, is it up or down from last quarter? And is there any change to your outlook for the low double-digit loan growth going forward?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Jon?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

No, Sean. I would say our pipeline is -- it's pretty level from last quarter for the fourth quarter. We have a number of new facilities we've approved and a number of draw notes that we'll continue to draw out here through the fourth quarter and into the first quarter of next year on some large construction projects we have done. The only challenge I see going forward because the real estate market is so good we have a number of investors and commercial real estate selling properties at gains that presumably they'll redeploy and we'll do the next loan for them as well. But we're beginning to see some turnover of the commercial real estate again because the market is so good. I fully anticipate our pipeline will be relatively stable from the third quarter here into fourth quarter.

Mark Klein

Analyst

And Sean, just a just a follow-up comment, as we've claimed for a number of quarters with our '16, '17 commercial lenders not including the SBA lenders, we're clearly built for growth and we expect to continue our ascent in that definitely high single-digit, low double-digit expansion levels.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Awesome, awesome. Thank you. And I know you touched a little on CRE what loan segments do you expect to drive growth. I know you spoke of the diversifying loan portfolio more specifically to C&I segment of the portfolio. Is that still the case?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

This is Jon. Sean, no absolutely. In fact, we put a number of initiatives here in '18 like changes in incentive plan, changes in calling efforts, changes in personnel and where they're targeted. And we were going to amplify that here again in 2019. We've begun to see some fruits of that labor particularly as we're focused on in that C&I segment manufacturing small businesses in particular and things we've talked about in previous quarters. We've also restructured our retail side to include eight new business bankers that are all finding small business loans which tend obviously to be C&I deals as well. So that continues to be our focus here for the remainder of '18 and 2019.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

All right. Okay. You mentioned last quarter some projects that you still expected to fund up. Did that occur this quarter? And is there more expected in the fourth quarter?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

Yes. I mentioned earlier Sean that, yes, we have 2 -- 3 large projects in particular. One was delayed very nice C&I ideal as a matter of fact that was delayed because the customer is doing so well. They utilized their own cash so that delayed a little bit of when they'll start growing. But those three large projects which probably totaled somewhere around $15 million to $20 million between the three are growing as we speak and I anticipate now for fourth quarter to first quarter of 2019.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay, great. Can you talk about your operating markets geography? Sorry, which ones are stronger and weaker today as it defines more specifically Defiance, Columbus and Toledo? Which ones are stronger and weaker today?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

In terms of loan growth Sean?

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Yes, sorry.

Jon Gathman

Analyst

I think so far this year we've seen a fair amount of our loan growth from -- I mean the two leading markets are Columbus and Defiance. Columbus is historically here in the last three, four years has been our strongest loan growth category or region. Certainly, we've had some nice growth from Finley, Toledo as well. In the fourth quarter looking at the pipeline interestingly that growth will be in two different markets. I think we'll see a lot of growth, some of those drawn outs we talked about earlier will be in the Fort Wayne and Lima markets. So a fair amount of diversity in terms where growth coming from here into 2018.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. And then, switch fronts to the deposit side, deposits increased about 20% linked quarter annualized. Can you talk about what's driving that strength? Last quarter you mentioned implementing new strategies, I know you touched in the beginning of the call. Is that gaining traction?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Well, as we mentioned before Sean, obviously, getting up to the 90 plus percentile loan to deposit. We've known for a period of time that we needed to drive the C&I portfolio. And with that transactional account, but we've also determined that a private client group and our private client portfolio can certainly grow by increasing those deposit rates and we knew that if we increased deposit rates, we need to increase the scale of the portfolio and we have to make up for lost margin. So we've had a more conscious focused approach on deposits including from the commercial C&I. But as I mentioned with four treasury management individuals on the street literally all the time seeking to find businesses with high liquidity propensity as well as our eight individuals that we really removed from the retail operating arena and the office and moved them on the street. So we certainly expect to continue to drive the funding for our imminent loan growth that Jon has mentioned that is embedded in our existing draw notes as well as what's in the pipeline to be approved yet.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

All right. Okay. And then, in terms of, obviously, it depends on the type but in terms of retail you guys offering any new rates on new money in terms of deposits and funding?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Well, we certainly paid attention to our marginal cost and we love keeping it at the margin, but recent -- again giving in fact we're close to 100% mark. We've had to do what we need to do to find the liquidity and in addition to the CDs that are well into the 2% mark we launched 185 on a private client money market account which was a very competitive rate. But that now is kind of okay. So we look certainly for our cost to continue the beta on our deposits relative to competition. Certainly well above the one mark because again we just don't have much room to not grow deposits given the loan demand that we've seen. So we were optimistic that we can find those deposits and of recent note would be some large regional banks that are exiting some of our markets. So we've launched a couple [indiscernible] in several markets that we think we can continue to gain some traction albeit on deposits because that's what they're primarily comprised of because they don't have much in the way of lending opportunities and some of those higher share lower growth markets that we have had for a number of years.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Definitely. And then, your deposit outlook for 2019 going forward? Can you give a little more color on that in terms of growth?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Yes. Just at a high level again with -- our beta as being greater than competition. We've always said that we're poised for a rising rate and we think we have a good mix that if yield curve steepens and rates rise certainly the economy is doing well and commercial will be driven nicely with expanding economy as we've seen, unfortunately will be met a little bit by a softening real estate market. So we continue to be optimistic that we can find the deposits albeit a number that's well in excess of our marginal cost. But it's out there and we think we can find it and we think we have some great strategies and some great people that are now on the street looking specifically not for loans. We've got the '17 lenders out there looking for loans. Now it's a matter of gearing up the staff for the liability side growth of the balance sheet.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Awesome. That's very helpful. Switching gears, I guess the margin, loan yields were flat to slightly down linked quarter. Was this related to mortgage or fees?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

It was obviously a mortgage fee level has an impact on our loan fees. I'm sorry on our loan yields. I think we've really stabilized really on the loan yield side, we'll continue to see slight increases but pricing is a little stickier in some of our markets on the loan side. So we're continuing to try to drive that. But I think they'll stay on this relative range for sometime.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. And then on that topic of loan pricing what type of rates are you seeing on new production today versus existing yields? And my guess is it looks like it has intensified.

Mark Klein

Analyst

I think competition generally is -- loan growth strong enough that I don't know that pricing has been a significant issue, but certainly there are -- particularly this -- the non regional banks, the community banks in our various markets have been, yes.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. And then there's been a lot of volatility in your margin over the last few quarters. How should we think about the margin over the next several quarters given strong outlook for loan growth and continued funding cost pressure?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

I think that's absolutely the case. I mean I think as I said last quarter in our call, the 415 for the quarter was over sized given the impact of the capital raise in getting above 100% loan to deposit. I would suspect we're going to stay in the same range on a loan to deposit ratio high 90s, deposit costs will continue to rise but they're not going to rise to the level they've risen in the last two quarters on a percentage basis. And as I said, I think loans are going to be sticky I would expect to stay in this same 3.85 to 3.95 range for margin for the near term.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Now Sean just one additional comment and Jon can certainly allude to this, but several years ago we began offering swap products to make sure that that we continue to appreciate and realize the benefits of a steepening yield curve and raising rates and how much is our notional risk Jon that we have had that we've kept those on a verbal basis on a spirit of writing the yield curve, but also leaving some basis points on the table because we didn't take a fixed yield and put it on the books and actually make a wider margin on the spirit of taking more duration risk.

Jon Gathman

Analyst

I think it's just approximately $40 million and as he pointed out Mark, I mean two benefits there, the yield curve is so flat right now that the cost of the hardware to go out 10 years versus five or even 15 versus 10 is minimal and we get the upside because if customers in different raising rate environment in that situation. So yes, we have some very nice increases we've seen here with LIBOR and prime rate increases recently as those continue to move up.

Mark Klein

Analyst

So we're happy with our positioning there and our clients one and we've got verbal products again are increasing as the yield curve increases and those have been good for us as I mentioned the client.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. How much of your portfolio is variable rate, is it tied to prime or LIBOR?

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

It's in the mid to high 60s about 70% is variable.

Mark Klein

Analyst

That's our current portfolio. We have another [$34 million] [ph] of undrawn lines that are in that same -- and again that's combining primarily home equity loans and CNI lines of credit.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay, good. Can you provide an update on mortgage outlook given the current raising rate environment?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Well, again, our variable has not been -- our number, our variable has been the number of producers knowingly that refinancing have obviously going away in every market that we're in, which is why 95% of what we do is all purchase market and definitely all new to us, 5% would be about the refinancings internally that we have. But clearly, now going into Indianapolis with the team down there, which will make four regional teams and some pretty robust markets. Our expectations of that 350 million to 400 million number going forward. And clearly that 500 number we thought were going to be there back in '16 and things softened a bit in '17 with no inventory. But we remain steadfast on delivering the $500 million in volume per year. Again not because our individuals that we currently have are going to do 20% more but it's because we're going to have 20% more producers. And as I mentioned with a total of 30 in our markets in three states we remain fairly bullish on growing not only the volume, but the servicing portfolio that is taking us 10 years to get to a billion and I don't think it's going to take quite as long and obviously to get to the $2 billion mark. But not only do we like the loan sale gains, but we certainly love getting into one more household. And our job is to try to get the service for household certainly in excess of the 1.5 to 1.6 we currently have on up in the 2 and 3 and we work hard to the retail staff to get that done, still work on.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. And then, specifically in terms of mortgage origination, how should we think about that in the fourth quarter and then for the rest of 2019 or [indiscernible]?

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

Yes. Sure, Sean. This is Tony. Our initial expectation on Q4 it's going to be similar to where we were in Q4 of '17. That kind of level of origination would put us up call it 5% to 7% on a year-over-year basis kind of contrast that with what we're seeing in the market which is probably a down mid teens type level for other originators. I think we've seen that some of those fringe players have left the market. We've been able to capture market share and we've been able to capture more market share by adding more people on the street. And I think our expectation is for '19 is a similar type growth level like that high single digits to low double-digit type as we sit here today.

Mark Klein

Analyst

What's kept us in, Mark, Sean also -- and I'm sure you're aware of it. We've certainly been aggressive on the construction front given the fact that there's no one doing spec loans anymore and there are certainly no one's ever heard of a loan and development of loans anymore or lot in development loans anymore. So we decided to take a position on trying to attack some of those opportunities in the construction market all be them individually. And we found some great traction there. I think we have probably $40 million or so in construction projects. So we've kind of mitigated the downside of not having a development or spec kind of loan product which nobody's doing anymore. So those will work nicely for us and those eventually find the way to this whole portfolio. So that was a good strategy, we launched about a year and a half ago or two.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. That's very helpful. And then, mortgage sales picked up to 84% this quarter from 72% last quarter. Do you expect that to moderate going forward?

Mark Klein

Analyst

We've historically been in kind of the mid 80s range. We saw some improvement this year from what had been kind of a down year this year. I think we have to acknowledge that the customer has become more confident in taking the arm product which has landed a bit more on our balance sheet. And we've been very successful this year in the private client market, which has added a bit more on balance sheet growth to us less of a sales function. I think we will continue to look at opportunities to monetize some of those balances and see if we can potentially for liquidity purposes and/or pipeline move some of those off of our balance sheet but that'll be an ongoing strategy for us.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Right. Okay. And then, on the M&A from, could you talk about your outlook on M&A? Last quarter you indicated you need to get through your 2018 compliance exam, has that wrapped up? And if so, can you provide us an update on your thoughts regarding M&A outlook going forward?

Mark Klein

Analyst

Sure. Sean the compliance exam was to be wrapped up at the end of September per regulator commitment they readily admit which really doesn't do much for us that they didn't meet the timeline or the hurdle. And so now they've recommitted here to finish this up in October. We continue to be optimistic about the resolution of any issues that we have on the consumer compliance side that we have 100% complied. We've done it timely; we've done it thoroughly. And they've acknowledged all that and in fact, self reporting certainly is worthy and they notate that. So we're expecting to have that wrapped up here this month and certainly pending that would be the impetus to continuing conversations with banks that are in the area that we've strategically identified that would be of high interest to us in expanding our footprint both in marketing and adjacent markets. So while we've grown organically nicely the last five years 250 million, which we think is the most prudent way to grow our company certainly doesn't eliminate the opportunities on M&A. And clearly to get to that $2 billion mark any time soon, it's going to take two or three of those acquisitions and we continue to work at that. Again albeit a bit constrained with regulatory conversations as we speak. But we do not expect those to play guess on the long-term here.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Thank you. And then, I guess just lastly on the provision, provision was zero this quarter. Can you give us any outlook going forward on that?

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

Absolutely. I think as we've looked at the improvement in our portfolio, the level of absolute relative charge offs, we felt like the level of provision, our allowances up close to 10% with the loan growth level, call it 14% on a year-over-year basis. And I think we felt like that that was a prudent level. I would guess we're still going to be in the range when we finish the year of somewhere close to $1 million in total provision expense somewhere around that range, $800,000 to $1 million. And I think as we look forward into '19, we're going to try to keep pace somewhere in that range not grow to the full level of loan growth, but something probably 60% to 70% of our loan growth levels.

Sean Tobin

Analyst

Okay. Awesome. All right. Thanks for taking all my questions. Great quarter guys.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Thanks for joining us on Sean. Appreciate it.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from [indiscernible]. Please go ahead with your question.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Mark. Hi, Tony. Actually I have a question regarding you mentioned the data driven early detection system of loan performance.

Mark Klein

Analyst

I'm sorry. Can you speak up little? I'm sorry we can't seem to gather your question well.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi. Sorry. You mentioned a data driven early detection system for loan performance. Could you speak a little bit more on that?

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

Jon?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

Sure, Tony. This is Jon. We purchased a number of years ago through Baker Hill a module that they have that rescores our portfolio on a quarterly basis. So it's the same -- it's the same data they use for small business loans. But it also applies to larger business loans. And really what it does is, it develops a base line then you look for changes from the baseline and/or it analyzes changes in other data and said our core for instance checking accounts, line of credit usage, overdrafts things like that. And the idea of their system is, is to forewarn you of those things align overdraft that could potentially give you an early indication that something has changed with the credit. We're looking at that every quarter and in fact we've integrated that as well into our loan review process. Our loan review officer is also keeping track of that score trend over time and we intend to use that to focus -- further focus our loan review process on those credits that that system divulges perhaps a potential weaknesses.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's great. How has that influenced the provision or has it influenced the provision at all yet?

Jon Gathman

Analyst

Well, at this point I would say it hasn't only because it hasn't really detected anything significant. Our asset quality is very, very good. I would anticipate, they going forward in a little different economic cycle perhaps that we would use that data perhaps to drive some particular with [Cecil] [ph] some looking around the corner so to speak in terms of our provision levels.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, great. And then, changing to the deposit side. You mentioned that deposit costs will stabilize. Can you talk a little bit about the indicators that you're seeing that deposit costs will stabilize?

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

What I was referencing is that we added call it 20 million to 25 million in a private client type product at a fairly high rate in the quarter. I wouldn't expect obviously our rates to dramatically increase in that product or the level of balances in that product. So from that perspective I think that had an outside impact on our interest expense costs specifically in the quarter. Clearly, the deposit market is moving but we've seen some stabilization. I mean it's kind of been a bit step -- more stair step than a kind of a gradual increase. So I still think fourth quarter, it'll be more stable certainly than it has been in the prior two.

Mark Klein

Analyst

And Tony just an extra comment. We do have some strategies that I don't want to speak publicly about yet, but we do have some strategies to be a little more innovative in the deposit gathering arenas and all of our markets. And we're going to be rolling some of that out here in the fourth quarter that certainly will put us in a more competitive position and we think.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. That's great to hear. That's all I have. Thank you very much.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Thank you.

Tony Cosentino

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

And ladies and gentlemen, at this time we reach the end of today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference call back over to Mark Klein for any closing remarks.

Mark Klein

Analyst

Again thank you all for joining us. It was a pleasure talking with you here and reporting our third quarter results and we certainly look forward to chatting with you in January for our entire 2018 year result. Again, thanks for joining us and I will talk soon.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen that does conclude today's conference call. Again, thank you for attending. You may now disconnect your lines.