Dave Burwick
Analyst · Guggenheim. Please state your question
Yes. Sure thing, Laurent. Let me -- why don't I just explain a little bit how we got to that number and why we're confident that there will be growth resulting from that? So more time has helped us understand better what's happening in the category. Our model looks at household penetration rates, purchase frequency, buy rates, repeat rates. And we've looked really at the last 13 weeks versus the whole year, because obviously things have changed. So we've done a lot of work with the model. We talked to wholesalers and retailers to get their input as well. We obviously looked at what's out there from other folks that -- many of whom are on the call. And the 0% to 10% range seems to be consistent with what others are arriving at. Now there's other -- we have new -- there's new consumer information that's very important that gives us confidence that there is growth in the category. Actually, one thing I will mention, if you look at IRI and you look at the two-year stack over the -- since Labor Day, the two-year stack has been pretty consistent at about 100% to 110%, somewhere in that range. So we have seen a stabilization of that two-year stack. So that's another sort of data input that's out there. From a consumer perspective, again, let's start with numerator data. And I know a number of people look at numerator. Even the latest 13 weeks you see -- we see household penetration continue to increase about 4%, buy rate about 1.5 points. We look at social media metrics, we see 38% of comments are favorable, 17 are unfavorable, 21-point gap. That gap is bigger than it was a year ago, favorable to unfavorable. We're just starting to get back results from a consumer test -- I'm sorry, a consumer study we just done with 4,000 people who drink alcohol between the age of 21 and 55. And some of the top line things that we've seen, hard seltzer -- today's hard seltzer drinkers are very eager to increase their consumption. So about a-third of them want to consume more hard seltzer, which is more than what beer, wine and spirits, regular drinkers indicated they want to consume of those categories in the future. About three-quarters sort of non-tryers or lapsed drinkers are open to trying hard seltzer in the next year. And then importantly, only about 6% of people are truly rejectors. And when we looked at this a year ago it was about the same. So the consumer data -- and there's been other work done out there. I know Wendy at Citi did some stuff that also kind of pointed to this as well. The consumer data on top of the quantitative models that we're building, all say that this category -- there's still a deep interest in the category. And I'll give you one other data point which we just got which might explain some things and that is, penetration is increasing. But when you look -- when you break out new buyers versus either -- versus lapsed buyers or casual buyers, there has been -- there are fewer new buyers coming into the category right now and they're spending less on average, which has provided some of that downdraft. On the other hand, we also see that there are many more "heavier repeat buyers" and they're buying more. So you have these two -- so it's really a normalization of the category where some of these heavy drinkers are now -- are adding to the total volume. So it's not a perfect science, as you guys know. And I know everybody on the phone has been trying to figure this thing out as have we 24/7. But again, we look at our -- and again, I'll give you one more data point at the risk of giving too much. To get to the high end of our growth rate, the 10% growth rate, it assumes household penetration grows by about 2% -- or two points, I should say, and buy rate by about 6.5%. So if we can get there -- and the household penetration year-to-date is up 8%. I know, it's been going in a different direction. It seems reasonable. So between the model, the consumer work we're doing now, consumer work others have done, numerators data, it points to a category that's got growth in it. And that's why -- and we do believe that there's growth in the category.