Dave Burwick
Analyst · Bonnie Herzog with Goldman Sachs
Let me take a shot at that. I think first of all, when we spoke in our call in April, everything at that point we’ve hurdled that first big COVID stock up period of March and April, we hurdled it really well at sort of the category. And even to the moment of our call, we felt really confident in where the category was going. And what seemed to happen really, the May, June stock up overlap, we really hit -- we kind of hit that inflection point in the S curve where things went from high double digit growth rate to low double digit growth rate. And that was the first signal really as we got into May and June, and we had expected to hit that second bump better. Now when you look at -- if you look at the brand's performance, okay, just for perspective; Truly has outgrown the category for 11 months, straight to last September; Truly has outgrown the category by 2x since January; Truly, we have grown out -- outgrown the category by 3x in the last 13 weeks. It's increased -- it's the one brand that’s increased household penetration significantly, so we've grown our user base by almost 40%, for Truly, which means -- and the innovation is working. So as we mentioned just earlier, teas performance very well, punch performed very well. So we're growing the business, we're growing the -- we're actually bringing in younger and more multicultural consumers. We're seeing that with tea and with punch. So the category, I think, I guess to go back the question, the categories took -- went down to like basically over the last 13 weeks, let's call it, 10% and we were growing between 20 and 30. So it did take a more severe drop. And let me give you a couple other thoughts of why that occurred. Yes, we hit the S curve, you know that -- we can see that. Unfortunately, that's looking backwards, it's just kind of hard to see it coming looking forwards. Jim had referenced to some things in his opening remarks. One about, I’d say, just the proliferation of brands in this category this has occurred, there's a herd like mentality in this business broadly. And I think people try to bring new brands into the marketplace and there's a sameness to these brands. There's a lack of originality. And I think what's happened a little bit, little bit of a luster to the specialistic segment for some consumers has been lost. Now there's 220 brands and a thousand SKUs according IRI in the category right now, that's about 50% larger than last year. And we're seeing our retail -- customers are still trying to support all of them. So they're seeing -- but that's going to change pretty quickly, the dam is going to break on that one and the long tail will be paired off. So you have that dynamic going on. Also this move from off premise to on premise, 3% of the mix within on premise is hard seltzers, like 10% or 11% now, however you want to look at it. And off premise, we think is going to climb. And actually, our team feels very confident we're getting -- we're actually adding -- we’ve added 4,000 Truly draft lines. We're getting the distribution but it's not going to overnight all of a sudden switch from one channel to another. But we feel pretty confident that that's going to continue. And we've always believed [Technical Difficulty] confident in that. I’d say maybe we thought it would move more like a light switch than it has been more gradually but is moving certainly in that direction. As it relates to, just to finish off, I know it’s a long answer but it was an important question. Where's the category was? How can you guys have faith in your guidance now? The category, so we're kind of out of the -- we're going to forecast the category business, that's not what we do grow at, which we grow brands, we grow businesses. So if you look at the third party data providers that are out there and you guys all worked with them, the range for the full year is about 20% to 50%. So that's the range we're coming in at 20% to 50%. We believe if it’s at the low end of that range, if it is, we can continue to grow 2 or 3 times that rate. We've been doing it for a long time now and we feel very confident. If it goes to the high end of that range, we're probably have to be growing 2 or 3 times 15% but we know we can grow faster than the category. So again, we think if you look at that range, low end, we grow significantly more, high end, we can grow more and we're going to grow share this year. So that is sort of how we're looking at it and that's how we kind of get to this number. So I don't know if anybody has anything else to say on that one. I think -- I mean, the rest of -- let me say one more thing. And Twisted Tea is growing significantly and it will be $0.5 billion business this year, so we have a lot of confidence in that. We know -- the footfall with some of our supply chain activity, we're a little bit short on cans. We're scrambling on that. We're coming back by the end of the summer on that. So we feel very confident. Twisted Tea, obviously, on-premise, as you heard, is really on leased growth for Dogfish and for Sam Adams. I'll stop there, Bonnie. You can follow up if you want to do that.