Gibraltar Industries, Inc. (ROCK) Q2 2020 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Greetings, and welcome to the Quarter Two 2020 Gibraltar Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Carolyn Capaccio. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thank you, Larine. Good morning everyone, and thank you for joining us today, and thank you for waiting for the call to begin. With me on the call is Bill Bosway, Gibraltar Industries' President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tim Murphy, Gibraltar's Chief Financial Officer. The earnings press release that was issued this morning as well as the slide presentation that management will use during the call are both available in the Investor Info section of the company's Web site gibraltar1.com. As noted on slide two of the presentation, the earnings press release and slide presentation contain forward-looking statements with respect to future financial results. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, and the company's actual results may differ materially from the anticipated events, performance or results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. Gibraltar advises you to read the risk factors detailed in its SEC filings, which can also be accessed through the company's Web site. Additionally, Gibraltar's earnings press release and remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of GAAP to adjusted financial measures have been appended to the earnings release and slides. Now, I will turn the call over to Bill Bosway. Bill?

Thanks, Carolyn. Hey, good morning everybody, and thank you for joining our call today. It's a little late with the storm that hit that coast is a little bit of a challenge getting everybody on today. Let me start with, I hope you and your families and friends and co-workers are keeping safe and healthy as our pandemic continues. I will start today with an overview of the second quarter results, and then give you an update on our execution plans, and then Tim will review our Q2 results, then I'll come back with some thoughts on the rest of the year, including updates on some key strategic initiatives, and then we'll open the call for questions. Let's turn to slide three and our Q2 overview. Before we share the results of the quarter, I do want to first thank our entire team and their families for their effort and dedication, resilience, and frankly resourcefulness since the pandemic began, and I also want to thank our Board of Directors for their ongoing guidance and support. It's been a difficult time for everybody, and our families and friends, both mentally and physically, and everyone has been challenged through this pandemic, and everyone has a story, a specific challenge, and I continue to be amazed how well the team has responded. We're talking a lot internally about how important each day is, how everyday truly matters, both at home and at work, and importance of staying balanced, focusing on what we can control and doing it as well as we can, and I'm very confident in our team and our ability to keep moving forward. You know, as we discussed during last quarter's call, April was a challenging month, which did make it difficult to understand and predict the economic impact of the pandemic in the quarter, particularly for Residential Building Products and Industrial businesses. However, we start to see positive end market demand developed in early May, which then continued into June as consumers spent more time nesting at home and working on repair and remodel projects, as well our renewable business continue to make good progress in a solid renewable energy market, and I think, collectively, these two trends really helped us offset -- more than offset slowdowns in other end markets. Early on, as the pandemic unfolded, we made two key decisions. First, we implemented our pandemic operating protocols, which we continue to execute and adapt as the pandemic moves into a next phase; and second, we kept our team intact. We transitioned two manufacturing lines to make masks and sanitizer and then provided PPE to our team and their families. Keeping our team together along with our pandemic operating protocols and it has allowed us to respond quickly to much of the changing demand, support our customers in a timely manner, and do so, while improving operating performance at the same time. As a result, our Q2 revenue increased 8.8% over last year. Adjusted EPS up 15% and our backlog increased 14% to $277 million. Furthermore, we delivered operating margin improvement of 200 basis points on a GAAP basis and 130 basis points on an adjusted basis. So, let's turn to slide four. I've shown this before, but we executed our operating playbook in the second quarter and we remain very focused on executing our plans moving forward. I think the current phase of the pandemic requires ongoing discipline and diligence and we will continue to support CDC mandates. Our customer requested protocols, our facility reconfigurations and zoning to maintain social distancing, our shift management approaches, temperature checks, sanitization protocols, employee tracking and follow-up as well as visitor policies. We will also continue our internal communication cadence across the organization. Sharon implemented a lot of best practices that we've learned during this time and adapt accordingly. We've been fortunate to be in a position of readiness. As our customers have requested or needed support in hindsight, I think having our team intact has given us the opportunity to grow with customers and respond a bit better what others may not have been able to do so. That being said, as the pandemic continues to spread, our top priority still remains our people, keeping our team safe as we can, and staying disciplined and diligent, executing our protocols and processes, and finally, our communications across the organization. We're going to continue to operate our facilities and offices as we have been, and then we'll reassess this approach later in the year or early next year. Now, let's turn to slide five, and we'll have Tim review the consolidated financial results.

Thanks, Bill, and good morning everyone. I'll take us through our consolidated and segment results. As Bill mentioned, our April results were initially impacted by the economic disruption caused by the pandemic, followed by sequential increases in the markets served by our Residential Products and Renewable Energy & Conservation businesses as we move through the quarter. Consolidated revenues increased 8.8%, 1.6% was organic growth as strength in our Renewable Energy & Conservation and Residential Products segment offset the decline in our Industrial and Infrastructure segment. We also generated 7.2% growth from our recent acquisitions of Apeks Supercritical, which was completed in the third quarter of 2019, and Thermo Energy Solutions and Delta Separations, which were completed in the first quarter of 2020. As Bill noted, backlog at the end of the quarter was $277 million, up 14% from the prior year and 7% from the previous quarter, driven primarily by our Renewable Energy & Conservation to a lesser extent our infrastructure business. Consolidated GAAP operating income was up 30.1% and adjusted operating income increased 20.6% in the second quarter. Second quarter 2020 operating income included $1.2 million of net direct investments in the safety and financial security of our people directly related to COVID-19. Consolidated GAAP and adjusted EPS grew 36.1% and 15.1%, respectively. The improvement from last year was a result of organic growth and continued execution in our core Renewable Energy & Conservation and Residential Products businesses, marked margin expansion in the Industrial & Infrastructure Products as well as product and service mix, better price material cost management and ongoing benefits from operational excellence initiatives. Now, let's review each of our three reporting segments starting on slide six, the Renewable Energy & Conservation segment. Segment revenue increased 29.3% with organic growth of 4.2% and 25.1% growth from the acquisitions of Apeks Supercritical, Thermo Energy Solutions and Delta Separations. Organic growth was driven primarily by strong demand in the renewable energy market. The cannabis growing and processing markets were down in the second quarter as the pandemic caused some issues with access to capital for our customers in these markets and as the industry continues to mature and adjust to regulations. Strong margin expansion in the core business was driven by volume leverage, strong execution, continuing productivity improvements and the mix of products and services, which was partially offset by softer demand for cannabis growing solutions. The margin expansion in our core operations was offset by losses generated from our recent acquisitions, due mainly to the weak demand in cannabis processing market, while there have been a few integration challenges, integration overall is expected to be completed on time to deliver targeted returns. Second quarter 2019 operating income included $2.3 million in incremental costs incurred in the field to improve durability getting share performance from our solar tracker. We entered Q3 with strong backlog across the segment up 15% from the prior year as we gained further participation and see strong customer demand. Backlog from renewables is up 25% from the prior year quarter from continued strong end market demand and growing and processing is up 7% driven by our recent acquisitions. Let's move to slide seven, our Residential Products segment. Residential Products segment revenues increased 7% from last year, a result of strong repair and remodel activity as homeowners began to nest during the pandemic as well as participation gains with key partners. Adjusted operating margin increased 400 basis points, a result of consistent execution, better price material cost management, continued benefits from 80/20 simplification initiatives and volume leverage. Let's move to slide eight to review our Industrial & Infrastructure Products segment. Segment revenues decreased 14.4% driven by lower demand for core industrial products during the pandemic. The infrastructure business was comparable to last year's quarter and its backlog grew modestly. Adjusted operating margin was up 490 basis points through continued strong execution producing sizable industrial margin expansion, better price material cost management, favorable mix and continued execution on 80/20 initiatives. And now, let's move to slide nine, titled strong balance sheet provides resilience, supports growth to discuss our liquidity position. We generated $36 million of cash from operations during the second quarter driven by higher net income and reduced investment in working capital. During the quarter, we sold the Tour24 business, a multifamily service offering in our Residential Products segment for $2 million, and invested $2.4 million in capex. At June 30th, and as of today, our revolver remains undrawn. Given a $121 million in cash on the balance sheet and an undrawn $400 million revolving credit facility, we've got solid liquidity to weather the economic impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic, while continuing to invest in operational excellence, growth and the development of our organization. We've resumed to active M&A discussions and continue to remain laser focused on managing working capital. Now, I'll turn the call back to Bill.

Thanks, Tim. Let's move to slide 10, titled outlook, our confidence is building, but uncertainty remains. I'd like to comment on trends we are seeing in our markets and businesses effectively really up through the end of this past month July. Let's start with our Renewable Energy & Conservation segment. Our Renewable Energy business continue to see good momentum in a growing end market and sales and backlog for the business are very solid. We continue to invest in our solar business and recently launched Sunflower, our second-generation tracker solution and also acquired intellectual property supporting our solar canopy business. Our growing business, our largest segment, vegetables and produce continues to see solid momentum in growing backlog. I think the addition of Thermo Energy Systems, a leader in this market has been very positive for us and our integration plan is on schedule as well. Our second largest segment in our growing business is the Cannabis segment, and during the quarter, the market slowed as customers paused to assess the situation, but we expect the market to improve in the second-half based on recent project bidding and order activity. For both renewables and growing businesses, as it relates to this pandemic, we're also closely monitoring state, local pandemic-related mandates that could impact our existing or future project schedules. Our processing business is still dealing with the soft market, although, we start to see more activity in June than early in the quarter. Market is dealing with the pandemic and its impact on customers' access to capital for equipment purchases and the markets is also resetting itself as the industry continues adjust regulations and consolidate and mature. We expect the market to continue to recover in the second-half and really build momentum as we move to 2021. We're executing our integration plan with Apeks Supercritical and Delta Separations, and I think we'll be ready to move forward with strength and speed as the market recovers. In our Residential Building Products business, the market remains healthy as customer weekly point of sale results indicate ongoing demand for our products. As I mentioned earlier, consumers working from home and/or nest and continue to execute repair and remodel projects, which we believe will continue at some level going forward. Our direct to homeowner business, which experienced a significant slowdown going in April, really saw a strong recovery in May and June as our dealers were able to adapt their sales process to meet homeowner requirements for an in-person interaction at the home. Demand in this business remained steady and as with our other project-based businesses, we are monitoring state local pandemic-related mandates that could impact existing or future installations of these products. Our Industrial business will continue to experience a slow market during the second-half, particularly for core products. We do expect our architectural and perimeter security project business to remain -- to be more active as long as state and/or local regulations allow project sites to remain open. Our infrastructure business should remain steady, particularly if we have more clarity on state and federal infrastructure spending plans in the second-half. And to summarize, as we see things today, we are confident our second-half will be stronger than our first-half, but I do remain concerned with the current state of the pandemic, the impact, the next round of government stimulus and the economic impact, both may have in the coming months, not just on the overall economy, but also our markets and customers. I think we all learned in the second quarter, how swiftly things can change in this kind of environment. And so, as a result, we've decided our quantitative guidance will remain suspended and we will revisit this obviously in the next three months. Let's move to slide 11. I want to talk a little bit about our pillars. Our long-term goals remained the same, accelerate growth, improved profitability, utilize assets more effectively and deliver higher return on invested capital, and I think we continue to do that during the quarter. We're focused on our operating pillars, as a reminder, business system, portfolio management, organization development and we have actually continue to investing all three so far throughout the year. In our business system, we continue to work on the business, invest in improved earnings and fund critical growth and profitability initiatives. We've also implemented or continued new operating protocols for today's environment. We've implemented business continuity protocols for today, I think, as well as for tomorrow. We've made key investments in our digital and IT processes and tools, SAP implementations are on track, CRM initiatives in a few of our businesses and a variety of e-commerce investments to support a few of our platforms. And then, we've just had really intense focus on monthly execution and then try and find ways to accelerate additional 80/20 initiatives. From a portfolio management perspective, our effort remains focused on asset optimization, and then integrating our recent acquisitions as we planned, and then continuing discussions with companies to build out our platforms for our strategy, and finally, organizationally, really, our main focus has been to keep our teams safe, healthy and intact, and be in a position to execute, respond to customers better than anyone in our markets, and also continue adding and top rating talent across the organization, which brings even more from a broader perspective diversity of thought, experiencing competency to the team. I'd say, although, this year has been challenging and I think it will continue to be, I do believe we're in a good position with a healthy balance sheet to keep investing in our strategy and deliver better performance in the second-half of this year as well as over the next 24 to 36 months, I think the flexibility and adaptability we are building into our business and our focus on execution, are really helping us support our markets and customers, and still deliver improved growth, profitability, asset optimization and stronger return on invested capital. As I opened with today, I just want to reiterate how proud I am of our team and how grateful I am for their ongoing support and dedication to each other as well as the company, the communities we operate in, our customers, and of course, our shareholders. And with that, we'll open the call for questions.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Ken Zener of KeyBanc Capital Markets. You may go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning, everybody.

Good morning, Ken. How are you?

Good morning, Ken.

I'm doing well. Trying to unpack, what was a very good quarter in a lot of way, so the two areas I want to focus on are, first, just going to be the Renewable segment and growing, I guess that's how you'll be categorizing it. So, renewable in your slide deck, you said up 16% year-over-year, is that correct? Just to make sure I'm tracking that correctly.

Yes, organically, we were up and it was driven by the renewable energy. So, we gave that growth number.

Okay. Now, because you have a lot of acquisitions in the growing, you know, earlier this year, can you just highlight what the mix is, again, where we are in a kind of run rate for that segment in terms of what's renewable and growing if you could just reset that for us given all the acquisitions?

Yes, Ken, we expect it to run about half-and-half. It's not quite there yet, but it should drift to that direction.

Okay. And then, the customers on Renewable, you're obviously bringing a backlog in this segment and I do think if this segment outgrows, your traditional segments, this is increasingly the key area for your business. So, if we could go into, though since you're putting out this backlog of up 15% renewable and growing have different growth rates, how should we think about this backlog as it relates to -- I don't want to say forward quarter or quarters conversion, but I mean, it's obviously, you're putting it there for a reason, how should we think about that backlog translate into kind of growth rates that we see and how has COVID impacted the conversion of that backlog versus what you would have expected traditionally?

Yes. I would say that versus the COVID impact on this has been not so much as it relates to the solar business or the renewable business. The backlog that we've generated continues to flow as we would typically see into sales. Yes, there has been some starts and stops with just permitted and things of that nature, but for the most part, it's flowed relatively consistent with what we've seen prior to the pandemic. On the growing side, you have to break it down a little bit further. There is two markets, as we talked about, a really our largest is produce and which is vegetables and leafy greens and such and that backlog continues to grow just like renewable does and you'll start to see, we got into that business at the beginning of the year with the acquisition of Thermo coupled with a relatively small presence we had. So, I think that based on the order activity and backlog that's building out, that's going to translate into the sales going into the second-half and then it gives us decent momentum going into next year. The area that has -- that slowed it's a little harder to predict where I think COVID has been more impactful is the cannabis end market or the cannabis market for growing and processing. So, as I mentioned earlier in the call, that market really paused. And we anticipated that that happens to be where we have our two of our three acquisitions, which is the two processing ones, and I would consider that market a drag on overall results, and as a result, our two businesses dragged along with it, but at the same time, if you're looking for something positive as we always do in kind of situation like this, this gave us a long time to work on integration and probably doing a little bit quicker than we could have done otherwise. So that's coupled with the fact that we're all remote. So we're doing a lot of the integration remotely, but we're able to get a good chunk of that done prior to COVID and then follow-up with things virtually. So we feel like we've worked really hard on the business, but --

Yes.

We'll wait for the market to kind of step back up and recover accordingly. So the backlog has really been built around renewables. The growing piece associated at produce and less so on the cannabis side in the quarter.

Yes. And if I could ask just one more question, I mean, in Northern California by your Santa Rosa, one of your acquisitions, there is no real way for me to get a good sense of without you commenting on it specifically. So that written -- that conversion related to the cannabis end market, is that, you mentioned capital constraints, I mean, is there some -- my understanding is consumption is up just reading press article. So is that people have spacial issues, was it related to Northern California counties doing something related to manufacturing, Tesla obviously highlighted a lot of that concern in the past. Could you just give us a sense if it's -- if your view of that market has changed given what we've seen and the constraints you are facing? Sorry to delve into that deeply, it's just, I can't get an answer and I don't think you communicated publicly otherwise. Thank you.

Yes, that's okay. The market has got a few things going on in, and one was a pandemic. So like in a lot of industries people pause to figure out what was going to happen here. You've got a very immature market to start with and you have a lot of small private companies that are in it. And as a result, in this pandemic hit, trying to understand, remember early on, most of these companies were not deemed essential. So everyone was circling the wagons to see make sure they preserve capital accordingly and then month or so later then they redeemed essential. So there is a lot of start staffing going on because of the pandemic. And you have a lot of small companies across the variety of states trying to work through it and each state is a little different in terms of what's essential and what's not. So that was very disruptive in the second quarter and I think people circling the wagons and said, let's batten down the hatches until we figure out the landscape here. So that was item number one, and you've got some ongoing regulatory things that are evolving too in the marketplace that will work itself out throughout the year and I think that's another thing that the industry is trying to work through and we knew that was coming as well. And so, as a result of both of those, there is a bit of a resetting. So I think it's -- remember for a lot of these small companies, banking has been a challenge and access to capital has been -- has not been a challenge up to this point because it's been moving so quickly. Now you put a stop on, because of this pandemic it becomes a challenge pretty quickly and we're starting to see that work itself out. So I would consider the structure of the market, okay. I think the -- there is a bit of pause obviously over the last five, six months and that's starting to work itself out, but it take a little more time. We started to see more activity in June, significantly more activity in June than what we saw earlier in the quarter and I just think it will take some time for that resetting process to work itself out. And I think going in the 2021, you'll see things running similar to than before. So I -- we don't feel a whole lot different about the market and we are still positive about what we're trying to do and what we want to do, but like everybody else we're working through it right now and we're able to offset it what's going on in this market through some of the other things we're doing in the rest of our business and some of our other end market. So it's a really a kind of --

Excellent, thank you so much.

Yes.

Our next question is from Daniel Moore of CJS Securities. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions, Bill and Tim. Just a clarification, I think, you said twice Bill, you're confident that H2 will be stronger than H1. Top line --

Yes.

Margins, EPS, all three?

Yes.

Okay. It gives us some directional help, so thanks.

Okay.

And then, I want to focus on the margins, start with resi, strongest margins we've seen in those businesses in quite some time. Maybe a little bit more detail into the jump in how sustainable are high teens, low-20s operating margins going forward?

So, Dan, good question. If you recall, we came out of Q1 with, in residential, about a 130 basis point improvement. And we talked a little bit in the last call about the work that we did in '19 and continue to do. And I -- so I guess my point there is, I think we're starting to build some momentum in that segment to get us back to where we think we should be and beyond hopefully. So, (a), I do think, our ability to continue to improve is very valuable and doable, it's our expectation. I think the investments we made last year and continue to make now will help that. We've put a new leader in place a year ago inside the organization. I think we've done a tremendous amount of work top rating talent and adding key positions that we didn't have. So, this is one of those stories where we had good end market demand that helped, obviously, but we also made investments throughout the last six months in all of last year that put us in a position to operate much better than we could have otherwise. So I'm excited about the segment. I think we've -- start to demonstrate to ourselves what we can do. So, what we thought we could do and I think we're just getting started so to speak. I would not tell you that we're going to improve 400 basis points every quarter forever, but the team has done a nice job. Obviously, the end demand has helped. We've had good mix. We've had good price cost management, and recognized too, this is all in the midst of having to also manage shifts much differently in our factories, much differently, which is at the most effective way, but we've been able to offset all the things associated to COVID and still bring things across the finish line. I think the biggest thing also for us and people may or may not recognize that, we did make this decision some time ago to keep our team intact. And when things moved and they moved quite quickly, we were able to respond. So I do think there is a participation gain going on here. We do know that for sure with a couple of our key partners. We're excited about that. And I think we're in a good position to continue down that path as well. So it's a combination of a lot of different things.

Helpful. And nothing unusual in terms of mix that would be difficult to sustain, or not repeatable?

No.

No, not really, I mean it's -- within each of the Residential businesses I would say been pretty solid in terms of mix, year-over-year, quarter-over-quarter. With across the businesses probably our -- we've talked in the past, our most challenged business in Residential has been our more commodity like business, which is building accessories or roofing accessories and that is a business that has really turned things around, everything I just talked about earlier, where we made a lot of changes. Remember also that when we went into the quarter, we had a very difficult outlook for our direct-to-consumer product line that's the Sonesta and Gutter Helmet products that we sell through dealers, but really it's a direct-to-consumer sale and that did not look good going into April, and that turnaround significantly in May and June, and that's a good-margin business, and that was helpful in the quarter as well, but we almost got back to last year's levels effectively in two months versus having three months, because April was pretty much not very active. So, again, that team executed extraordinarily well to do what they did in two months relative to last year what's done in three months. We feel really good about that and I think the demand is still there going forward, probably not the pace that we saw in the last couple of months, but it's still pretty steady.

Helpful. And similar question for Industrial and Infrastructure, I think that jump was even more impressive given the top-line headwinds. So, again, was that mix away from Industrial, was it all 80/20 sustainbility, et cetera, any color there? Great.

Yes. I would say in Industrial, it was really just pure execution, and team continues to do well there. We've made some investments to help in some of the -- in our core businesses within Industrial with some CapEx. I think that's helpful, not huge, but very helpful in terms of how the teams been execute. Our perimeter security and our architectural businesses, which are higher margin within the overall Industrial business has helped as well. So, I guess you could say it's a little bit of mix, but overall, I think it's just been a continuation of the work that the leadership team has done there starting in the last couple of years. On the Infrastructure side, same kind of story, really good team put it in a lot of good processes, a lot of 80/20 work gone there and I think as we've -- as our manufactured product in that business continues to be relatively strong, we've been able to find ways to drive margins up with the way we execute from how we make it all the way through the whole bidding process. So, just a lot of -- I'd say, a lot of blocking and tackling, to be honest, not rocket science, but just staying laser focused on what we're doing and taken one day at a time and making everyday matter.

Okay. May be one more, if I could sneak it in; just expectations around working capital and cash generation as we look to the back-half of the year.

We expect modest improvements in working capital, I'd say. We've done a fair amount year-over-year. We'll continue to be a little bit better and continue to generate cash. Certainly, historically, if you look, second-half of the year is really the stronger cash flow period for us and we don't expect any change to that.

Perfect. I'll jump back with any follow-ups. Thank you.

Next question is from Walter Liptak of Seaport Global. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks. Good morning, guys.

Good morning, Wall.

Good morning, Wall.

Congratulations on the good quarter. I wanted to see if I could get you to talk a little bit about some of the residential trends in July. And it sounds like the business continues to pick up and I think in the past, there was concerns about labor issues, I wonder if that's changed at all and how that might impact the second-half?

Yes. So, what I'd say through July each of our businesses within residential, we had four groups, if you will continue to see similar demand profiles as they did coming out of the quarter or the second or the last two-thirds of the quarter for the second continued to from a demand profile into through July, and we're monitoring that every week. So as I mentioned, we -- one thing as we get access to point of sale data from all our big box and even lot of the wholesalers now week-to-week, so that's really point of sale data on our products that are actually selling. So, good news is it hasn't been much of any inventory build. That tells us that there is inherently demand at the consumer level, whether that's contractor or homeowner, and right now, it feels like that's going to continue -- will continue at the pace that we saw in a couple of the businesses in June. You think through normal seasonality, that's going to slow down a bit, which I anticipate that will happen, but that's something we see every year, but right now, we feel pretty good about how Q3 is shaping up for the residential business. In terms of labor getting access to it, a lot of our business is repair and replace, and what we've seen in the second quarter when you start thinking about that, it's interesting to note, it's a combination of homeowners in a case of like our mailboxes and so forth, which have been strong. And then when you get into our direct-to-consumer and you have awnings and gutters. That's a different set of installation folks, and then you get into our ventilation and roofing accessories. That's a different set of folks in terms of contractors. So far, we have not seen that be a problem, whether that ends up being one -- six months from now or three months from now, it's hard to say at this stage. I think there is a lot of lot of things to think about over the next six months that I think everyone has got their mind on. One, you have the pandemic. We have a national election coming up. And along with that, you're going to have all kinds of noise around that on both sides of that, but right now we're not seeing anything that says that we're going to see a dramatic shift one way or the other at least in the immediate term and we can probably see as far as anybody else maybe a month or so, but that's kind of where we are right now.

Okay, great. And switching over to Infrastructure and Industrial, the margins there were really good. And just a question about sustainability, are there structural changes now that have happened? Are we at a new level of profitability?

Yes. This has been a long slog for the teams in both of those businesses over the last three years to kind of put themselves in a position to deliver what they delivered, not just in Q2, but I think structurally we've shifted up in terms of how we operate. Clearly, in infrastructure we have little more demand than we had a couple of years ago, so that's helpful, and if we can continue to see that, I'm confident the team has the ability to continue on the pace it is. Again we've made investments in that business with some key people and a lot of work has been done on process. So, I think operating cadence of that business is better and I think it's a more sustainable than it would have been otherwise. On the Industrial side, it really is a tale of a couple of different stories as we said. You get the core business and that's more macroeconomic driven in lot of respects, and that's still the bulk of the business. And then you have perimeter security and architectural that inherently is a more profitable business and if we can mix that way more that would be helpful, and we're working that pretty hard, but internally in terms of how we operate, the team has, I think really got to a cadence as well. So they know how to operate really well in this environment and I think that's showing up. If we can get some demand, which we're not really anticipating the market to recover in the next six months for core Industrial, obviously, that's very helpful, but when you have that kind of reduction in demand and still deliver what they've done, clearly they're able to do some things quite differently today than before. So, I would say, yes, we've made a shift in how well we operate and we'd like to get some demand, more demand on that business. They could really do some interesting things if we could get it for them, but unfortunately the market is not cooperating as much as we'd like right now.

Okay, great. And kind of along those lines, as we've seen M&A in the more in the Renewables and Conservation segments, I'm wondering if with the profitability coming up in industrial, infrastructure, if there's opportunities that you're looking at in that or are you going to stay kind of in these growth your parts of the business for M&A?

Yes. It's a good question. This entire pandemic and it's impacting so many different industries, and how people are thinking in challenging paradigms and such. We'll see how things work out. I'd say, right now, we remain focused on what we went into the pandemic with as it relates to acquisition targets and we kept all of those discussions warm and hence continued them. So, I don't think there is a shift in our thought process from six months go to today in terms of the end markets that we want to participate in and grow out, grow and build our platforms in.

Okay. Thank you.

Our next question is from Julio Romero of Sidoti & Co. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Hope you all are well?

Good morning, Julio. How are you?

Good morning.

I'm good, thanks. So I wanted to start on the solar business. I think we've seen increased sentiment in this space. So I was hoping you could talk about maybe the current market tailwinds you're seeing as well as what maybe you just other is uniquely doing in that area?

Yes. So the market itself we see is continue to be quite solid and that's again mainly community solar is where we've -- where we're well positioned and a leader, and so I think I've said it through some calls as well as through our last earnings discussion we are starting to see more proud of ourselves is our ability to respond even quicker and understand what those opportunities are even better. So that's the implementation of our CRM system that we rolled out that took maybe nine months ago. So I think, the visibility and access to more of the opportunities our ability respond quickly, which has been I think something that we've been pretty good at, but making that even much more of a -- and for us, I think has helped us gain some participation. So we've got a good market, we're gaining some participation, and I think, thirdly, we've got things like our canopy business, which we don't talk a ton about, but it's a really good business for us. We acquired IP this year that we think will be a nice differentiator for that business going forward and that will help that even grow faster. So there is a lot of things going on across the solar business that we like and I think I'm excited about where we're heading, and let me say how we're operating. We are executing better and the growth is there and I think the margin improvement will continue to come and some of the investments we've made in technology, whether be Sunflower, the second-generation tracker for us, which we're now just starting to sell and pull orders in on after a pause, as everyone knows or the canopy IP that we have acquired with the partner I think is going to really help us go forward. So, yes, I would say that's how I'd summarize it.

Okay. And can you give us any additional clarity on the integration challenges that you may be seeing on the cannabis side? I know you mentioned some softness in the overall market, but I think earlier in response to Ken's question you talked about some, accelerating some integration initiatives because of the end market slowdown. So could you just maybe help me square away those two statements? And has anything changed relative to what maybe was originally thought?

Yes. So, I think there is a, first and foremost, there is a market that has slowed. I mean we all, I think understand that, from an integration perspective, remember, on the processing side of the businesses, integration really is the front end, wasn't necessarily a back-end where we had planned consolidating facilities and all, these are large companies to start with, but it really is about combining the front end and that's where we've done a lot of our work. So having a leadership team come together with two different organizations, we just launched a common ERP system for both of these now on the same ERP system. We've launched a new CRM system that both are on. So those kinds of blocking and tackling things that we had planned to do that we were able to accelerate and pull forward, it would have been easier to do those things if we could physically get on planes and go see each other and that's where I think some of the inefficiencies are more, you'll find more of it, but we effectively have been able to bring forward some things as the market has slowed. As I just mentioned, it's just been, it'd have been a lot easier to do if we didn't have a pandemic I guess is the point from an integration perspective. So that's where my comments come from.

Okay. That's really helpful. I appreciate that, and I guess just on the residential side. I think you talked about roofing products rebounding and as well as the gutters and awnings business, how about the postal and parcel business? Can you maybe talk about the run rate for those products as you exited the quarter?

Yes. I'd say all four businesses contributed nicely to the growth rate you see. It's pretty consistent for this segment across each of the four businesses. I think the two that start out slow in the quarter we talked about was the direct-to-consumer awnings, gutter business that one really picked up second two months and then ventilation started out slow, and then it accelerated significantly in May and June. The postal business and our roofing accessories business were pretty solid throughout the entire quarter. And I would suggest a lot of this nesting that we see that we will continue to see as people were finishing up their home improvement projects, whether it's painting or out the yard would have your mailboxes and the flow-through of that demand particularly through big box because they were open, continue to stay strong during that time. So people we start to see replacing mailboxes or upgrading mailboxes. So I would say roofing accessories and postal and parcel have been consistently solid and I think, we continue to see that through July, and hopefully, that will continue through the quarter, but yes, they've had a pretty good run like roofing accessories.

Helpful. And then just my last one is, could you give us what percentage of sales are either for the Resi segment or your company overall went through the home centers in 2Q?

I know it's not something we disclosed, but I would say resi is certainly significant, right. The two the largest sales channel in resi is home center and then wholesale then have a smaller direct-to-consumer business in there. Some of the mailboxes go through a different distribution channel, but it's --

Yes. I would add one other thing too. So, Julio, when you look at this business, it's interesting. I mentioned earlier that we've been making a lot of investments in our ability for e-commerce. So when we start tracking sales through our traditional channels that's always been big box and residential building product -- residential wholesale, sorry, building product wholesalers that really support the Residential Products business, right. And that's kind of been the easy way to look at it, and it really depend on the product for whatever reason the market structured where it's heavy through one and other products that's heavy through the other between those two channels. Now, what we're also seeing during this time is the online portion of sales for all of our products that tradition have gone through those two channels is becoming even more prevalent than in just a year or so ago. And there are different online pass of distribution. There is BOPIS, there's BOSS, there's DTC, there is all kinds of things where we're working with these wholesalers or big box folks and we may be helping them go direct in different ways and was not imagined just a couple of years ago. So keeping score I guess is my point. It gets a little more complicated and that's really accelerated. The good news is we've invested well to deal with these various channel developments. And I think that's part of the reason why we've been able to drive our participation up a bit over the last year or two because we've made some of these investments. And we've got more to, don't get me wrong, but there is -- it's a really interesting time right now as we see these distribution channels evolve and technology is obviously helping that happen versus the traditional way that these products have go to market.

Great, thanks for taking the questions. Appreciate it.

Yes.

We have a follow-up question from Daniel Moore.

Thank you. Again, just housekeeping, Tim, tax rate in the back-half of the year is expected still in the kind of mid-20s and any capex expectations for the remainder of the year and maybe preliminary thoughts for 2021 in terms of potential projects, et cetera?

Yes. I would say that tax rate be probably just a little bit higher than it was last year in the second-half, but yes, so that mid-20s range is good. CapEx remainder of the year, I mean if you look at the run rate that we've had, it's going to modestly increase in the second-half. Yes, one of the things we're doing is improving the ventilation and the air movement in all of our factories to make it more comfortable for our employees who are working with masks on generally. So we'll spend some money on that. And then I think normal levels of spend in early to ask about 2021, but I don't see anything different than what I would look at today, but still a lot of time to go before we get there.

Okay. Thank you again.

We have a follow-up question from Ken Zener. Please go ahead.

Thank you, gentlemen for your patience. They will be short hopefully. It's a question for Renewable EBIT composition, specifically, because your second-half '19 had good comps. So your margin last year in the second quarter was 12.6%, and I don't know if I'm mistaken, you had about 200 basis point drag in there from the tracker cost. And so my question is for the second quarter 2020, can we assume -- given that you had organic growth and you had those tracker cost last year, is it reasonable to assume that the organic side of your Renewable was up year-over-year, which would imply and flat to maybe negative margin on the M&A, given that a large chunk of your sales? That question, assumption that I want you to respond to you. And then when -- if that's the case, when do you think the M&A side recognizing there is a lot -- the Canadian business you're investing a lot of capital there, you talked about the weed stuff with, but is it -- when would it be realistic to assume that M&A side goes to breakeven or positive margin? Is that something we really should expect in the second -- to occur, let's say in 2021, realistically, it's just that you have such good margins in the second-half of '20 of sec -- of '19 in that segment, I don't want people to be surprised about the composition of the EBIT. Thank you.

Okay. So, Tim, I'll let you take your --

Yes.

Shot at that comment.

Yes.

And I'll make as well.

Yes. Ken, yes, we called out that we had negative margin from the acquisition or group of acquisitions in the quarter and that organically, our organic businesses had improved. And I think if you look back to your point, we've had pretty good results there for four quarters now in this core business and we don't see any reason why that won't continue. On the acquisitions, we expect them to improve as we move through the year. It's a little early to call exactly where they'll be better than they were in the second quarter certainly. I don't think we see any scenario where it's -- what we're seeing increases in activity, but we think it will take a couple of quarters maybe for that -- those businesses sometime in 2021 to get back to where we think they ultimately belong.

Thank you.

And Ken, the only thing I would add to that is it's relatively simple. Our thermal business which is fruits and vegetables on a growing side is making money and really our issue is around the processing market. And as the processing market comes back, which is really cannabis that -- as we talk to that market starts to recover, we will recover nice, with that, the core businesses that is operating quite well. So, that's the story.

Thank you very much.

Yes.

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Bill Bosway for concluding comments.

Okay. I wanted to say thanks again for joining us. I appreciate everyone's interest in the company. We look forward to obviously talking with you on some upcoming virtual conferences and some non-deal road shows those are scheduled next weeks and we will give you an update obviously as we -- on our third quarter call as well. So, have a great day, and again, thanks for joining us.

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