Colin Reed
Analyst · Bank of America.
Yes. Yes, Andrew, good morning. Two questions that we spent a lot of time thinking about. What we have said, starting I suppose 9 -- 7, 8 months ago, Mark, when we went to visit the rating agencies when they sort of said to us, "How do you think about leverage?" We sort of think, given the world that we've lived through here for 4 years, we do not like the idea of high leverage. We think that we live in very volatile times, and as most of the REIT industry knows, you -- if you hit a recession and you're at peak leverage, it's not -- bad things happen. And we like the idea of having a strong balance sheet so we can take advantage of the peaks and troughs that we see in this industry. So directionally, what we've -- and we've heard by the way, from the REIT shareholder base, that having a prudent leverage is a good thing and we tend to agree with that. So internally, we've been talking about we do not want to hit more than a 4.5x debt-to-EBITDA. And obviously, with the pro forma for '13 that we'll talk a little bit about on Friday, that gives us a ton of capacity. And so that's how we're thinking about it. Now, in terms of terming out, this is something that we will obviously be discussing with our board, long-term rates, particularly unsecured high-yield rates for a company that has just gone through a 3-notch upgrade, very, very attractive. I've never, frankly, seen long-term rates looking like they are right now. So we will probably be doing something here over the next month, 2 months, to take advantage of this and to probably as well, look at refinancing our bank deal, redoing our bank deal to give us a ton of flexibility to be able to do what we think is in the long-term best interests of the shareholders. So that's how we're thinking about it.