Rick Thornberry
Analyst · Barclays.
Yes, Mark. This is Rick. Thanks for that question. I think, look, as we -- I think as we said last quarter, we're continuing to watch this business and work very closely kind of towards the opportunities we see in the future. I think we saw the revenues be lower, but also the operating loss be lower, largely because of our expense actions. The market conditions continue to be very challenging. Homegenius is not alone. All you have to do is look at mortgage and real estate businesses across all the markets, and you can see anything that's transaction-related largely has been impacted materially. So we're -- it's a challenging environment. We're managing the Homegenius business through this environment by continuing to focus on disciplined cost management. And I think, look, today, as we kind of assess the business itself, the primary issue is really a revenue issue. So we're cutting expenses. But at some point, revenues have to reestablish from a growth point of view, largely driven by two factors, one is just the depressed kind of significantly lower mortgage and real estate volumes across the market. And there is a start-up like kind of aspect to this business around some of the newer products from the technology side. So that, in this kind of macroeconomic environment, has been a little bit more challenging than we initially thought a year or two ago. So I think -- but despite those challenges, our team is very focused, and we continue to receive great feedback on products and the service delivery, and I've participated in several of those meetings as we've gone along the way. So I would say, right now, focused on adding customers, which we've been successfully doing, there's just not much volume out there associated with those customers, increasing the awareness of our products; and continuing to make strategic investments across the business where we see value in the future. And I would just add that, look, we're going to -- we'll continue to provide updates on this business as we go. But today, we're focused on managing the cost structure, focused on investing strategically and growing our customer base to really put this on a path towards profitability and really looking at it in light of the environment we expect in the near term and, quite frankly, over the mid and long term, which I think has changed greatly. So I appreciate your question. I'm not here to give you specific guidance, but I can tell you that we're highly focused on kind of driving this back towards a positive outcome.