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Q3 2015 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 9, 2015

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Operator

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Plug Power 2015 Third Quarter Results Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce Ms. Teal Vivacqua, Director of Marketing & Communications. Thank you. You may begin.

Teal Vivacqua

Analyst

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the Plug Power 2015 Third Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. This call will include forward-looking statements, including but not limited to statements regarding our expectations for future business and financial performance; bookings; product shipments; GenKey and GenFuel hydrogen infrastructure; revenue, gross margins, and EBITDA; customer, geographic and market expansion. We intend these forward-looking statements to be covered by the Safe Harbor provisions for forward-looking statements contained in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 and Sections 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. We believe that it is important to communicate our future expectations to our investors. However, investors are cautioned not to unduly rely on forward-looking statements, because they involve risks and uncertainties. And actual results may differ materially from those discussed as a result of various factors, including but not limited to, the risks and uncertainties discussed under Item 1A, risk factors, in our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2014, as well as other reports we file from time to time with the SEC. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the day on which the statements are made and we do not undertake or intend to update any forward-looking statements after the call. At this point, I’d like to turn the call over to Plug Power’s CEO, Andy Marsh.

Andy Marsh

Analyst

Thank you, Teal, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining the Plug Power 2015 Third Quarter Conference Call. Before jumping into the details of the call, I’d like to start by measuring our performance to date versus the milestones that were set out at the start of the year during our January business call. On that call, this is actually a duplicate of that slide, I outlined the following goals for Plug Power to accomplish in 2015: achieve revenue of more than $100 million; real life bookings of more than $200 million; install 15 GenFuel hydrogen storage and dispensing systems; achieve gross margins of over 25% for our GenDrive product line by the fourth quarter; and to book six new customers; and finally to continue to make progress in the hydrogen fuel business. Now, that we’re three quarters through 2015, let’s review how we’re doing against our stated milestones. At the end of the third quarter, Plug Power recognized more than $65 million in revenue for the year with $55 million reported over the past two quarters. We expect to achieve $35 million in revenue in the coming quarter to meet our $100 million sales goal. Number two, Plug Power has $166 million in bookings at the end of the third quarter, 83% of our goal and we are in line to meet our stated target. Three, at the end of the third quarter we have turned on 12 GenFuel infrastructure systems in 2015 with an additional six prepped for commissioning in the fourth quarter. Fifth, and regardless the GenDrive gross margins, we’re ahead of our schedule at 17% for the quarter and with the fourth quarter introduction of the next generation Class-2 and -3 products with a goal of 25% gross margin is attainable. We are also excited…

Paul Middleton

Analyst

Thank you Andy and good morning everyone. I’ll like to start off by sharing some financial highlights for the third quarter. We ended the quarter with over $31.4 million in revenue representing 58% growth over the third quarter of 2014. This growth stands primarily from the continued commercial traction we are gaining and proliferating our GenKey solution. The third quarter 2015 not only represents sales growth, but equally important to another quarter of continued momentum in orders and build activity preparing for the number of GenKey programs slightly for the balance of the year. Plug recognized revenue associated with 1221 GenDrive units and seven hydrogen installation sites compared to 835 GenDrive units and three hydrogen installations in the third quarter of 2014. This growth is a clear indication, the traction plug continues to make in the market. Total gross margin as a percentage of sales was breakeven for the third quarter of 2015 as compared to the total gross margin loss of 5% in the third quarter of 2014. This operating improvement is indicative of our ongoing progress both in terms of volume and cost-down initiatives. This improvement in performance is despite higher than average product developing cost incurred in the third quarter for every product enhancements being launched over the third and fourth quarter. We recorded approximately $60 million in orders in the third quarter of 2015 and ended the quarter with approximately $234 million in backlog. Our backlog is a combination of units and installations planned for the near term, as well as the service and hydrogen delivery commitments for the next three years. The growth and overall backlog is also indicative of our success in the market. Given the majority of the backlogs associated with long-term revenues that provides the strong base as we focus on delivering…

Operator

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. [Operator Instructions] our first question comes from Eric Stine with Craig-Hallum, please proceed with your question, your line is live.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Hi, Andy and Paul.

Andy Marsh

Analyst

Hi, Eric, how are you?

Eric Stine

Analyst

Fine. So, you guys you laid up the mix on the GenDrive gross margins, but could you just clarify again I don’t know if I missed it, but maybe some other onetime items that meant that was down sequentially and then if you could just talk about kind of the confidence that you have in that or what you see in sequential improvement in fourth quarter, is it fully transitioning to the low powered stacks or any details that would be helpful?

Andy Marsh

Analyst

Sure, Eric, this is Andy. First, the difference between the second, third quarter is purely mix, our cost structure for GenDrive remain the same. We’re about to see a dramatic change that we’re here in the fourth quarter. You’ve mentioned the air-cooled stack from Plug Power, but it is actually a bit more than that. Because, we’ve actually revamped and simplified that product line not surprising as we gained more and more experience like any offering and we’re still early on the learning curve. We’re about to take another dramatic - make another dramatic improvement in our Class-2 or Class-3 units lot of that driven by using the Plug Power stack. Additionally, we have less impact in the second quarter we’re, in the fourth quarter here we’re also introducing a newer version of our Class-2 product again leveraging the new Plug Power stack and the impact would be bit less because we’ll be shipping a smaller percentage for the overall units with that stack, but well positions us in 2016. So, and we say we’re confident about the 25% as I mentioned in the call we’ve already manufactured 454 units this quarter and many of them went out the Plug Power stacks.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it and you’re seeing those types of margins.

Andy Marsh

Analyst

You got it.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay. Thanks for that. Then maybe just on bookings just wonder maybe to some context I know you’re reiterating that you think you’ll be over $200 million in bookings, but I mean, you’re now at a $166 million. So, I mean, is it fair to say that you expected to be well over that number or you looking at the term maybe as a little bit of a lumpiness and deceleration in 4Q on your backlog?

Andy Marsh

Analyst

We’ve chopped the numbers for the year, Eric, and haven’t changed them, could be a little lumpiness, but we’re stating publicly that will be $200 million which will be $34 million in bookings and I think that $200 million number is one that I think investors should use.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay. Then last thing, just you mentioned the new customer and I know you’ll give more details in a few weeks, but I mean, anything you can share there just in terms of size maybe, how we can compare with some of the customers you currently have or anyway that we can think about what that potentially is?

Andy Marsh

Analyst

That’s a good question. So, one of the customers has somewhere around 30 distribution centers globally either directly managed or indirectly managed and the other one has fewer distribution centers with some very, very large centers with over a 1000 forklift trucks. And I hope to be able to share much more soon with everybody.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay. That’s it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Koranda with ROTH Capital Partners.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Good morning, Andy and Paul. Thanks for taking my questions.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Good morning, Matt.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Good morning.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

So, just wanted to clarify. I did jump on the call little late, so sorry if I missed this in the prepared remarks, but how many of the 396 units that you guys had shipped in prior periods were recognized during the quarter?

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

All of them.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

All of them, okay.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

The ones that were shipped in second quarter, you were saying?

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Yes, yes, okay.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Yes, they roll into fourth - the third quarter, yes.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Got it. Okay. And then, on a go-forward basis it does sound like we’re going to see less of a lag here. Could you just comment on sort of the implications of the financing developments that you guys have made, and are we going to see any more lag between unit shipped and recognized or is it all going to kind of coincide together now, going forward?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

They coincide together.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Yes, that’s definitely narrow and be - which more coincide - run together.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. Got it. And then, in terms of the - the Q4 implied guidance here, I mean, you guys are reiterating your full-year guidance for revenues. I think that implies about $35 million in revenue in Q4. Could you talk about maybe the split between product and service revenues and what are the implications for how many GenDrive units we can expect in the fourth quarter?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

So, Paul, you want to take? I’ll take a crack, and Paul, unless you got some exact numbers there. Why don’t you take a crack?

Paul Middleton

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Well, I think in terms of the units, I think it’s going to be relatively proportionate in term of the - as you go out. So we don’t see a big disparity in that regard, in terms of the third quarter, mix I guess I would say.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

So let me kind of elaborate just a little bit more. We’ll - I would ratio everything, Matt, so if we did 31 this quarter it probably would be, if you took each of our lines and did 35 over 31 times the revenue value, you’ll be pretty close.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. All right, got it, I can do that. And then, just - sorry, go ahead, Andy.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

This will be probably a little less by that ratio just because it’s kind of just grows about 10% per quarter, but it gets you - that will get you in the right range.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. And then, the implication I think from the release, you guys said that there were about six GenFuel stations in progress. Do you expect to recognize all six of those during Q4?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

I would say at least five of them, Matt.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. So that implies roughly five sites.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

My COO is in the room shaking his head in agreement. So…

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. Got it and that implies about five sites delivered during Q4, is that fair to say?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Absolutely.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Or are we looking at additional sites as well?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

No, I think that’s fair to say.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. Got it. And then, just looking a little further out, I know you guys probably aren’t going to want to provide too much commentary in 2016 just yet, so given that we’re still in 2015. $234 million in backlog, a lot of that is long-term service revenue. Could you just talk about what portion of that $234 million is in products that could be delivered in 2016 and the visibility you have into 2016?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Matt, so when we think about 2016, first let me say this. In January, we are going to have an update call we mentioned during the prepared portion of the script. And during that update call we’ll give an update for 2015, as well as our projections for 2016. I think that a good deal of our rollouts and I’ll do it in terms of rollouts. I think a good 60% to 70% of the rollouts are well-established and we know what’s going on.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Okay. Got it. And then, last one, I mean, with the ITC potentially expiring beyond the end of 2016, what are the implications for 2016, specifically I guess, do you expect to see a pull in of revenue during 2016. And then, how would - what would the cadence of revenue look like if the ITC were to expire in 2017 and beyond?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

That’s a real good question. And, we’ve - I think that we’re certainly keeping a close watch on what’s going on in Washington. What we’ve been planning and operating the business as if the ITC is going to go away. We have a clear financial roadmap which we shared with our board through 2017, 2018 and beyond. In many ways we kind of take a step back, because we’re so far in the learning curve. The ITC going away could be an advantage versus competition, because we’ve learned and shipped so many units and driven our cost down. That being said, we’re not attempting to overdrive customers to deploy in 2016, because Plug is going to be in the same place delivering good units and growing rapidly in 2017 and 2018. We think the ITC being around will help and continue to accelerate this market. So we’re a strong supporter of continuation. So I’m not giving you a direct answer, Matt. As far as - I’ll give you this direct answer. Our plans for 2016 will not include acceleration due to expiration of the tax credit. And two, the company has really defined clear plans. I have shared them with many of our customers about what happens post 2016. And we feel we’ll be in a strong position, especially those who were earlier on the learning curve, in case it does go away.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Got it. That’s helpful. One more if I could, in your remarks, I think Andy you’d mentioned some dramatic improvements in the Class-4 units, beyond just the stack that you guys are introducing your own internal stack. Could you just highlight some of the design changes maybe in the Class-3 and then if you could maybe with the Class-2 as well.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Yes, so Class-3 is actually kind of simpler, Matt. In the Class-3, the product was designed originally as more of a - not surprising a very generic product and had every bell and whistle you can imagine in there to make sure that we weren’t surprised in the field. As we gain more and more knowledge of the applications we’ve been able to actually simplify the product. So there’s probably 30% less components by eliminating duplicity between what happens if there’s a high throughput product versus a low for product. And if you have taken a look at - I don’t know when you were here if you had a chance look at it, but it’s actually a much, much simpler product with less components. With the Class-2, there is less - there is less dependence on being liquid cooled. There is much more a dependence on fans and blowers, which again kind of like the original Class-3 product reduction. That simplifying the thermal management systems has dramatic impact of cost across the platform. Look, the next generation after this Class-3 and Class-2 drives and we have roadmaps out through 2017, 2018. We still see opportunities for dramatic simplification, reduction in cost.

Matt Koranda

Analyst · ROTH Capital Partners.

Got it. Thanks, Andy. And I’ll jump back in queue here.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Carter Driscoll with FBR.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to get a sense with the hydrogen infrastructure, the growth in installations in terms of new customers versus existing customers driving in the new sites. Just trying to get a sense of that mix as it goes forward and maybe your expectations that change over 2016 without necessarily quantification?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · FBR.

So, Carter, this is Andy again. I will give Paul a chance. And that, I don’t believe we’ve had a customer this year, whether new or old, who hasn’t selected our GenKey solution, who’s starting their installation up. So I don’t expect to hit a 100% every time. But when we start GenKey we expected about acceptance rate of 50%, 60%. It’s more than 90% in this year. I can’t think of one that we haven’t - not used GenKey. So I think that we’re 95% of the new installations we do next year I think, it’s fair to say it will be GenKey and I think it’s because looking mix of these year and nobody cares as much about this market developments is Plug. So, customers want to have one company that controls their service, controls their product, controls the hydrogen infrastructure just to make their activities simpler and it was - we were directed by customers who do this quarter over the last two years and it seems to be the way people want to buy and that’s we expected to continue in 2016 and beyond.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

And I’m assuming that really is there any different rate between North America and Europe in terms of the adoption of the power solution?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · FBR.

Yes. I think that’s actually a good question. I think in Europe like we did here in North America we’ll leverage partners who start but likely North America what we found in the long run that being more vertically integrated allows us to better service our customers in the long run as well as provide better quality products and probably just as important more margin dollars to Plug Power eventually.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

Obviously, that’s going to filter through the service margin as the scale continues to grow and you get machine [ph] efficiencies as well, is that a fair statement if we have our obviously our own assumptions about that mix shift and the percentage of total GenKey growth. I’m assuming that as a pretty healthy effect on the service margins going forward?

Paul Middleton

Analyst · FBR.

Yes. Volume obviously helps great deal and the new units we’re shipping are going to be a big factor as well, but yes I think, that’s a fair assumption as we added new GenKey leverage for hydrogen units it certainly adds a backlog of service and fuel deliveries that are going to be dividend that continue to pay as we leverage our revenues in the next five to six years.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

Maybe a couple more from me. You talked about swapping out some of the staffs overtime if I think I heard Andy’s prepared remarks you think that might lead out over the next 16 quarters at kind of a steady dollar impact, is that fair could that be a decelerating impact overtime or is it just kind of a schedule of when you think some of these stacks are going to have their early failure rates?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · FBR.

I think Carter, I think what we saw in this last quarter was an indication, but there is a good deal of analysis going on internally. Now, that we know how far we can push the life of the stacks out in the field, the liquid cool. I think, that how that plays out during the next six to eight quarters I think, we’ll be in a much better position during the January update call that provide more specific numbers, but I don’t expect to be accelerating.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

Okay. And then just following up on the previous question in terms of the ITC, do you see the introduction once you get all the Is dotted and Ts crossed of the financing arm, is that something that might help mitigate the loss of the ITC in terms of bringing down the cost capital and making a more attractive solution, because it’s be our balance sheet for number of your customers? I mean, was that one of the ideas behind introducing the financing was to get ahead of this exploration of the ITC was is it more of just kind of a straightforward, it’s easier for us to sell if we can have a cheaper solution?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · FBR.

I’ll answer your question yes and yes. So, I see the assets we believe that there is multiple paths that the company will take if the ITC goes away. It’s a combination of the leasing programs and the value of the assets in long-term. It is combination of GenDrive products where we see continual cost reductions and continual improvements, because we really believe we still have room to go and I think the third area that we see is that there may be some opportunities on the pricing side of the equation.

Carter Driscoll

Analyst · FBR.

Fair enough. That’s all I had at this time. Thanks for your time.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · FBR.

Okay.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jeff Osborne with Cowen and Company.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Yes, good morning. Just a couple of questions on my end, I wondering, Paul, if you can talk about the services loss of $2.8 million. I think you called out in the prepared that the replacing of the stacks was about $1 million and you expect to run that million per quarter run-rate for the next six to eight quarters, as Carter was asking. But can you just talk about what the other $1.8 million was coming from and what you’re doing to address that.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Yes, so, Andy had actually talked about the stack. That’s one component of the overall equation. But the service revenue is a combination of our hydrogen installations, our fuel deliveries and servicing of the units in those sites. So I’d say, - Andy also talked about the hydrogen infrastructure being really kind of a product that we’re focusing on with cost down. It’s a relatively new product for us. For any of you, who have followed us, know that last year was the first year we really started selling that infrastructure. So as we continue to deliver and build on that, both in terms of volume, design improvements, as well as just supply chain levered with volume, is going to kind of enable us to drive those margins down. And we’re pretty confident we’re going to get those margins in the same projector as we’ve seen with GenDrives. And on the fuel, today, it’s the resale agreement so we have the big gas companies. But as we go forward and Andy’s talked about, we’ve looked a lot of different hydrogen strategies where we think there’s plenty of opportunity there to continue kind of leveraging more margin out of that business stream as well.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Got it. And then, Andy, on the Texas wins that you announced with Walmart. Clearly, Praxair has a facility in Texas. I was wondering, A, are you using Praxair for those facilities given the location advantage that you have. And then, B, I would have thought, now that you’re four, five years into a relationship with Walmart that we might start seeing more framework agreements to go over multiple sites at one time. And I think Walmart has close to a dozen sites in Texas. Is that something that’s being considered or are you just focused on kind of one-off still?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Okay. So, Jeff, we do have a framework agreement with Walmart, which was signed in February of 2014 if I’m getting my years right. And in that framework agreement, for additional sites all that’s executed is a one-page agreement with Walmart. We sign, they sign, we move on. We have a clear plan actually where all sites having been identified through next calendar year, where we’re going to go, where we’re going to deploy. In the call I mentioned at least 10 sites. Those are planning sites. And now, four months, five months prior to - with the start of the site, we receive a signed addendum. We’re off the races, but I can tell you, I know every site that we plan to do through next September. And we could be adding more on for the remainder of the year.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

And just given your geographic dispersion of them, they seem to be concentrated in clusters. Is Texas the next cluster then?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Yes, Texas and - many people have founded and figured it out. Florida is the next cluster after that.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Got it. And then, can you just touch on - Andy in past calls you talked about acquisitions in the in the fueling strategy in Electrolyzers or whatnot. Where do you stand on looking at the M&A pipeline? And then, related to that question, just assuming you’re using cash for foreign acquisition, if you chose to do so, can you just touch on what the GenFund terms are. Are there any minimum cash balances or debt covenants? There just - I didn’t see a 10 - sorry, an 8-K about the closing of that. Clearly, there were some stuff on the Internet about it. But any specifics around the terms would be helpful.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

I’ll let Paul answer that portion. But, let me talk about acquisitions. John Cococcia spends a good deal of time looking opportunities, primarily focused on hydrogen generation and infrastructure. I think we continue to look at - scan the universe to see if there is someone who could add to our capabilities and not drain our cash. I think there are a number of discussions that we continue to have all the time. Nothing, I’ll say there’s nothing that’s been signed or agreed to. But if we could find someone who could dramatically increase our capability, not hurt our bottom line and help grow the market faster, and there may be some people like that out there, we would welcome the opportunity to consider bringing them into the Plug Power fold. I’ll let Paul talk a little bit about GenFund, and maybe a little bit more about how we see GenFund evolving.

Paul Middleton

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

So today, the way to think about it is - we’ve set the structure up as a platform to be an efficient interface between our customers and sources of capital. So were already - and have been working on making the process to finance our customers’ offerings and solutions that they choose much more efficiently. And so we’ve been building relationships with the capital markets and the banks. And we’ve got that moment already in place. So it’s not necessarily today a capital committed to specifically that structure as much as alliances with institutions to drive much more efficient financings and closings of those process. But as we move forward, quite frankly, that platform enables Plugs to use it in many different strategic ways. And as we continue to kind of leverage different sources of capital to fund that, those initiatives - it will continue to be a fairly broad strategic platform that we can use to do that.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Okay. That makes sense. I thought I had read that one of your capital partners had agreed to finance $9 million a month of transactions starting last month I believe it was through the end of next year. And so you’re just saying there’s no minimum requirement of any equity value or cash value that you need to have on the balance sheet for them to make that capital commitment on their part?

Paul Middleton

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

There’s a broker that’s helped us facilitate this structure and they’ve helped reach into financial institutions in the capital market much broader. And they’re helping us do that much more seamless through those institutions. We have had a number of institutions have signed in kind of nonbinding letters of intent to participate to support more efficient processes to enable this private-label captive financing solution to be operate more independently and more seamless with our customers. So that’s really the phase one that we’re under as we speak.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Got it. And then, just last one. Sorry for so many questions. But, Andy, you mentioned the Northern European retailer that you’ll be signing a contract for, is that a trial that you’ve had? I think at your Analyst Day you talked about five to six trials that were underway in Europe several months ago. And IKEA obviously being from Northern Europe would be a good candidate. But can you just touch on what you are seeing from trial conversion from the HyPulsion?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Sure, so this is a customer that we had a trial going on. So that is a - while look at - we have Prelodis, which went from a trial to deployment. This customer will do the same. And I have a third customer which I - we put close in a similar position.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Got it. And then, gross margin profile over time should be similar to the 25% range for Europe as that ramps-up next year?

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Yes.

Jeff Osborne

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Great to hear. Thank you so much, guys.

Andy Marsh

Analyst · Cowen and Company.

Okay. Thanks, Jeff.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Andy Marsh for closing comments.

Andy Marsh

Analyst

I appreciate everyone’s time today. And I look forward to providing the updates on our January update call not only for 2015, but for 2016 and beyond. So thank you, everyone. Have a good day.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you all for your participation.