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Q2 2025 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 12, 2025

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Marseille N. Nograles

Management

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Jinggay Nograles, Head of Investor Relations here at PLDT, and it's my pleasure to welcome you to our first half financial and operating results briefing. Joining us today to share insights into PLDT's performance and strategic direction are PLDT Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Butch Jimenez; PLDT Financial Officer, Mr. Danny Yu; PLDT Corporate Secretary, Marilyn Victorio-Aquino; PLDT Chief Legal Counsel, Attorney Joan De Venecia-Fabul; PLDT Head of Consumer Home, Mr. John Palanca; PLDT Head of Enterprise, Blums Pineda; PLDT President, [indiscernible]; and PLDT Treasurer, Leo Posadas. Later during the call, we will also be joined by Smart Communications Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Boy Martirez. Go ahead, Danny.

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Yes. Good afternoon, everyone. Allow me to present PLDT's first half 2025 performance covering key results and business highlights. Our service revenues net of interconnection costs reached PHP 97.1 billion, a touch higher year-on-year. EBITDA came in at PHP 55.5 billion, up 3% from last year. EBITDA margin remained steady at 52%. This was supported by steady growth from our fiber and disciplined cost management. Cash OpEx subsidies provisions [indiscernible], 3%, reflecting continued spending discipline. Telco core income landed [indiscernible], down 4%, mainly due to higher depreciation and financing costs [indiscernible] investment in our network in infra to improve quality of service. Core income, on the other hand, reached PHP 17.6 billion, up 1%, lifted by Maya's positive earnings. PLDT share in Maya's core earnings amounted to PHP 406 million in the first half, its first profitable semester, marking a PHP 1.1 billion turnaround from the PHP 693 million loss last year. This strong result reflects continued growth in deposits, lending and payments volume. In summary, we delivered stable core results and maintained our EBITDA margin, driven by careful cost management and ongoing revenue growth in key areas. PLDT service revenues remained stable, driven by sustained demand across 3 segments: Mobile data, fiber, corporate data and ICT. Starting with Home, revenues grew 4% year-on-year, reaching PHP 30.4 billion, led by strong steady fiber demand. Enterprise was slightly lower at PHP 23.5 billion, down 1% due to continued declines in legacy businesses. Positively, corporate data and ICT revenues held steady despite last year's closure of affordable connectivity. Within these segments, ICT stands out growing 15% year- on-year to PHP 3.2 billion. While our connectivity business is in transition, we continue to build a pipeline of new opportunities powered by emerging tech solutions. Turning to Individual, revenues totaled PHP 42.3 billion, slightly…

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

After months of hard work by our internal teams and technology partners, it is my pleasure to present to you the first of a series of innovations that we have embarked on, our [indiscernible] mobile service called KiQ. KiQ is the Philippines first and only app-based mobile service that offers a personalized digital telco experience. KiQ is also one of the first in the world to offer such groundbreaking experience. KiQ is our ode to the Gen Z market. The Gen Z between 19 to 20 years old is this young generation redefining how they live, share and stay connected. They are disruptors, and we've seen their influence in powering the results of our latest Philippine elections. Their rebellious yet authentic nature, their ability to know exactly when to swipe left or to double tap, make up a generation that will never compromise freedom control. With this in mind, we have built KiQ, a mobile experience that gives Gen Z complete freedom and flexibility to personalize and control their mobile journey on their own terms. With the KiQ app, users can build their own plan, choose their own data allocation, choose their call and text inclusions, choose their numbers, choose their validity period and more, unlocking a very personalized experience for Gen Zs. It's my pride to show you our television commercial that was launched last Sunday. [Presentation]

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

There will be more innovations that we will be introducing. In fact, the ink hasn't even dried up on this innovation that we launched last Sunday. We'll be launching another one this coming Monday. So stay tuned.

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Thanks, Boy. As we continue to innovate on the product side, we're also staying focused on disciplined cost management. Now let me walk you through our operating expenses. Total cash OpEx, subsidies and provisions for the first half came in at PHP 41.6 billion, down PHP 1.4 billion or 3% from the same period last year. Breaking it down, compensation and benefits, excluding MRP, declined by PHP 900 million or 8%, helped by ongoing rightsizing efforts. Selling and promotions were down 22%, reflecting better campaign targeting and improved spend efficiency. Subsidies fell 21%, mainly due to lower device issuance and better control on subsidy per unit. On the other hand, repairs and maintenance rose by 4% to PHP 15.6 billion, driven by network expansion and new site rollouts. Overall, the 3% year-on-year reduction in cash operating expenses highlights our ongoing efforts to optimize spend while ensuring support for growth areas like fiber, mobile data, enterprise ICT and digital innovations. For the first half, consolidated EBITDA reached PHP 55.5 billion, up 3% year-on-year despite flattish top line growth and known headwinds. This reflects the resilience of our business model with earnings supported by a stronger mix of fiber, ICT and personalized mobile offers. This growth was driven mainly by lower OpEx with total cash OpEx down by PHP 1.4 billion or 3% year-on-year. Our EBITDA margin held steady at 52%, underscoring our ability to defend profitability in a competitive market. This stability gives us a strong platform heading into the second half, where we expect additional upside from enterprise deal closures and traction from new product launches. Telco Core income for the first half came in at PHP 17.2 billion, slightly lower year-on-year as higher depreciation and financing costs weighing on the results. That said, a clear bright spot is Maya,…

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Danny and Boy, for all the valuable insights and growth initiatives as well as key developments that you've shared across our business units. As you've seen today, despite some near-term challenges, we remain confident in our market position, supported by our strong operational fundamentals, strategic investments in digital infrastructure and promising growth in Maya. Now we'd like to open the floor to your questions. [Operator Instructions] Looks like we have Arthur Pineda of Citi with a question here.

Arthur Pineda

Analyst

Two questions, please. Firstly, on mobile. I'm just wondering what's driving the softness in trends for wireless revenues? I mean if you look at the revenues, it's down slightly on a Q-on-Q basis, but 1Q was saddled with a lot of work and school outages. Why aren't we seeing the uplift in revenues? And any guidance into the third quarter with regard to these trends? Second question I had is with regard to regulation. Can you get an update on Konektadong Pinoy Bill? Is there a deadline for the President to sign this or amend or return to Congress? How do you see this as playing out?

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

I guess you can take the first question on mobile.

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

Arthur, may I just ask you to speak a little bit slowly so I can get the first part of your question?

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

It's about the softness in mobile, mobile trends. So quarter-to-quarter, it looks like there was some softness. First quarter did have some challenges regarding mobility. So he was asking if the Q had similar effects and also your outlook for the third quarter.

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

Okay. Well, the dip is a normal fluctuation. We see that as normal fluctuation, and we expect it to go right back up. And more importantly, in the second half, where our innovations sit, we expect to have a better outlook in the second half. And I guess that just outlines our view. First time around that we met Arthur, I remember you asked me what I would do differently. So the most important thing that I'd like to outline here is, although Smart is a tech company, we are also a consumer-centric company. And as a consumer-centric company, we aim to, therefore, delight the customer. Delighting the customer is based on the innovations that we have. And the innovations -- each innovation is going to deliver value for money. The value for money is going to be the driver of how we will get the revenues up and how we will do market repair.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Sir Boy. For the second question on Konektadong Pinoy?

Joan A. De Venecia-Fabul

Analyst

I'll answer that first one. The first question is when will it become a law, right?

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Any deadlines for the President?

Joan A. De Venecia-Fabul

Analyst

Well, by August 24, if the President has not returned the bill, it will become a law by the passage of time. And what's the other question -- that's it.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Do you have any follow-up questions on Konektadong Pinoy, Arthur, or just the deadline?

Arthur Pineda

Analyst

I'm just wondering how you see this? Will there be any amendments which could take place? Do you just see this as passing through to law? Or do you think it's likely going to stall?

Joan A. De Venecia-Fabul

Analyst

Well, our hope is the President will return this. Will veto the law and allow the Congress to enact a bill that will replace it in consultation with stakeholders, including the telcos. And we were heartened by the fact that the office of the Deputy Executive Secretary for Legal Affairs sent a letter to Smart requesting opinion or the position of Smart with respect to the bill, whether or not the President should veto the bill or approve the bill and sign it into law. But up to now, we don't know where -- what will be the end position in this matter. But if in the event that the President signs it into law, allows it to lapse into law, then we have to -- we as telco will have to assert our right and bring our issues before the Supreme Court. We believe that there are several unconstitutional issues that's contained in the bill, including the discriminatory treatment in favor of data transmission providers and satellite providers because the bill allows data transmission providers and satellite providers to use spectrum without any franchise. And in that respect, the bill is also unconstitutional because it contains more than one subject. The rule in the Philippines and in most democratic countries is a bill can only contain one subject. This bill contains 3 subjects: One, open access; number two, spectrum, allocation of spectrum and recall of spectrum; and third, enjoyment of the spectrum and operating without the franchise. So we will raise those issues. The other -- but the most important point in this is the bill goes against what the world basically has implemented as open access. The standard for open access -- the ability of data transmission providers to access the assets of telcos is very broad. As…

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

We have another question here from [indiscernible] of Metrobank. Can you share some guidance regarding what we can expect from refinancing activities for the maturing debt? Do we expect any upticks in our rates? Perhaps Leo, our Treasurer can take this.

Leo I. Posadas

Analyst

Thank you for the question. So currently, interest rates are still at high levels when compared to a few years back when we [indiscernible] our maturing debts. So as an indication, as of June, the cost of our debt is approximately [indiscernible]. Now admittedly, as we refinance debt, the interest rates are high -- still at higher levels right now the benchmark rates. But what we have done is that we've negotiated for the spreads to contract a bit. So from a high, let's say, 75 to 100 basis points to today's 40 to 60 basis points. Now aside from that, in order to address also the high interest rate environment, we are borrowing long-term facilities with floating rate structured price at the shorter end of the curve. Now this is also to take advantage of declining interest rates following the easing of central banks. So while they may be a little bit higher now, there is potential in the way we structured our refinancing facilities of floating rates at the shorter end that will give us the ability to also enjoy as interest rates go down.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Leo. All right. Another question that we have here is in regards to our 5G cities. Any updates on 5G cities after the successful launch in BGC? Are there additional cities slated for this? And what can we expect in this coming year?

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

Yes. Glad to answer that. Following the success that we have in 5G cities, we have decided to start to propagate them in the provinces. So we have selected Iloilo, the Queen City of the South as the first beneficiary of that. We're putting 5G [indiscernible] we're testing it there. And so far, I'm glad to announce that there's been some good acceptance, particularly with respect to the fact that we started that with the sunsetting of our 3G spectrum.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

And as a follow-up to that, since we are talking about 5G, are there any measurable uplift in terms of ARPU for these 5G cities also from 5G users moving up from LTE?

Anastacio R. Martirez

Analyst

Thank you again for the question. Short answer, ARPU 5G is PHP 300. The ARPU LTE is PHP 101. So definitely be assured that there will be a revenue lift. And we are very, very focused in really implementing our 5G network.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Sir Boy. This next question I got from quite a number of investors. This is in regards to our asset monetization plans. Are there any updates on the data center sale as well as asset sales on top of the data center?

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Okay on the data center, we continue to receive inquiries from interested parties, and we also consider other options for data center. So until we have finalized -- we will advise you once we have finalized those deals.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

And in regards to copper?

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Yes. I think we mentioned that.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Okay. So for copper, we will announce -- so it's an ongoing...

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Continues to be one of the priorities.

Menardo G. Jimenez

Analyst

I think maybe I can give them an update on the asset monetization program on our legacy assets. We've created a robust program to be able to monetize all our legacy assets. We're beginning with our copper. That is now under negotiations. And so I don't think I can disclose generally the price and how much we're going to get. But suffice it to say that we believe that we will get a substantial amount for our copper. But over and above that, there's a full program on being able to monetize our other legacy assets. For example, we are starting to shut down 3G. There will be a lot of equipment that is related to 3G, which we will also now start to monetize. And then eventually, all our other legacy assets, we will start to monetize. So we have a program for that whole ecosystem of monetizing legacy assets.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

This next question is for home business. This is in regards to prepaid. So it looks like there was some uplift in the press release regarding take-up on prepaid. Can you give us more color on your plans and how this fits in your portfolio?

Joachim Horn

Analyst

Yes. Well, prepaid is our strategic entry point into an emerging market that consists of price-sensitive households as well as first-time fiber users. We do not see prepaid as cannibalizing postpaid. An emerging customer base is there for those households that are hesitant to a monthly commitment or never tried fiber and are still using older or slower technologies. Prepaid is the perfect way to onboard these customers. And our growth driver in the next 6 months of the year will come from these emerging -- well, it will come from 2 places. It's from deepening our penetration in areas where we have coverage. And secondly, it's entering into these emerging markets consisting of price-sensitive households as well as first-time fiber users.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Jorn. I'd also like to recognize the presence of our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Manny Pangilinan. So if you have any questions, please feel free to put them through the queue of the Q&A box here in the Teams meeting. Also, you may send it to me by a Viber or you may raise your hand as well. This next question is for Enterprise. Enterprise revenues declined 1% year-on-year. That's despite the 15% growth in ICT. You mentioned that there were some delays due to the elections and the POGOs. Do you anticipate to return to growth overall in the second half.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Yes. Thanks for the question. Yes, there were definitely on the public sector side, especially, as you can imagine, in local government, some of those deals were sliding because of the May elections and then waiting for any new elected officials to be announced. And on the national government agency as well, as you will remember, there was a loyalty check, et cetera. So while we had some closed deals substantially on the national government agency side in the first half, some of them did slide. I think it was reported in the news that PLDT won an award for the emergency 911 services. It's the national program announced by the President in persona. So we're waiting for the notice to proceed on that, but we're pleased. I think that's a marker of things to come on that sector. Similarly, with private sector, same thing, I think. So we're pushing hard on these things and hoping that it will impact our results positively in the second half.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

And as a follow-up to that, regarding the new services from BSR regarding GPU as a service, any color regarding how early demand is shaping up?

Anastacio Roy Martirez

Management

Thank you for that question. VITRO Santa Rosa remains the premier data center hub of the Philippines today, a 5-hectare site, 50 megawatts in terms of capacity, 4,500 racks. And it is the only AI-ready data center in the Philippines today. We are taking full advantage of that. We are the first company in the Philippines to actually bring in NVIDIA GPU servers. And this is meant to address the growing AI demand that we see in the enterprise space today. Customers now are moving from use cases to actual deployment of AI, and we are capitalizing on that demand that's coming in. So we're happy to be the digital infra provider for AI in the Philippines today.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Also, I'd like to let everyone know that we also have Aayush Jhunjhunwala of Maya. He is the CIO of Maya. So if there are any Maya-related questions from the group, you may also post those questions here. [Operator Instructions] It looks like we have a question from Derrick of CLSA. Jan Derrick Guarin CLSA Limited, Research Division I do have questions on Maya. I noticed that NIMs increased to 20%. Is it fair to say that the credit card rates have been driving this improvement? And if that's the case, is it also driving the uptick in NPLs for the period? And what could be the normalized NPLs? Then still in Maya, is it possible for you to share the split in net income between banking and merchant acquiring?

Aayush Jhunjhunwala

Analyst

Derrick, thanks for those questions. So partly correct. The overall growth in NIMs has not just been because of increasing NIMs for credit card. Of course, that's a factor. We have launched credit card very recently. We have scaled up personal loans, which was launched late last year. So the continued growth of these 2 businesses, in particular, as they're longer tenure products will continue to have some near-term adverse impact on NPLs, but we expect those to stabilize relatively quickly. I think NIMs continue to increase as we increased our LDRs, and we'll continue to drive those up. So LDRs are driving up, individual product NIMs are improving. And so these 2 factors are going to continue to drive the NIMs up. I think for NPLs, we continue -- if you see, we are quite focused on managing the risk of the business, risk of the portfolio. We take great measures in making sure that the risk profile is acceptable. And so you can see that NIMs have only inched up slightly. And I think we should expect these levels, maybe marginally up from these levels. But within the year or so, it should start to stabilize a bit more. So that's what I can sort of talk about NIMs and NPLs. I don't think we can split out at this stage much more on the P&L. But you do get to see more robust financials on the Maya Bank, which should come out soon. And so it's effectively, we do announce -- we do release the consolidated net income. And so you'll be able to see the difference between the 2 businesses. Just to remind you that the payments business is not just acquiring. It includes all payment-related services. So that will include acquiring, which is obviously one of the largest business, but also consumer payments, which is consumer wallet and any other transactional revenue on the wallet.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Aayush. We have a question from Zhiwei of Macquarie. Is there going to be any guidance on revenue and margins for the second half of 2025?

Danny Y. Yu

Management

Guidance on the revenues [indiscernible].

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Perhaps you can share something else perhaps maybe on core income.

Danny Y. Yu

Management

We're still trying to hit the core income of last year. But we're slightly behind right now, but we're trying to hit the core income that we had last year.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

We won't be able to provide more than that at this time as we continue to navigate the business, but we do wish to maintain our profitability, of course, and then hopefully shoot for higher net. Okay. Any other questions for the group as well as for Maya? This question here is for Home regarding innovation. So there are some innovations coming from the mobile side of things. Can you talk about innovations that you are pursuing for the home fiber business?

Joachim Horn

Analyst

Thank you, Jinggay. Yes, we have been looking at a lot of, I guess, value-added content, but the initial mission for innovation is to make PLDT, the digital hub of every home. So what does that mean? So aside from connectivity, we are looking at -- we already have partnered with the big names in entertainment, like Netflix, MAX. We've partnered with smart home vendors like TP-Link and Eufy. Very soon, we will be partnering with a big name in the electronic gaming industry in Esports and console gaming. That will be launched very shortly. And we are also looking at partnering with mWell in order to provide health from the home. So these are the few things. We are building the smart home and IoT platform for every home to ensure that we are able to provide this integrated service to the home. Furthermore, there is still a market for connectivity, and you will be seeing in the market very soon, a no frills brand that we have launched. This should also help bring in our break into the emerging markets, and we hope to capture this incrementally. Again, we do not see these emerging markets of price-sensitive households or first-time users to cannibalize postpaid. Our postpaid proposition remains very strong. Our ARPU has held up despite the fact that we have entered these markets beginning in the last quarter of last year and booming in the first and second quarter of this year. So this is a very strong indication that even lower ARPU subscribers once they're in and they determine their data usage do tend to come back and upgrade their subscriptions to faster speeds or add more content, which is helping us preserve our ARPU. So in short, I guess that being said, it's very important that this -- making each and every home in the Philippines a digital hub for PLDT is our mission. And we intend to do that through IoT, through smart home, through entertainment and health, among other things.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Jorn. We have a question here for Maya from Niki. Is there a target or optimal loan-to-deposit ratio for Maya Bank? And second question, any plans for further capital raising or perhaps even an IPO? What's the time line looking for that?

Aayush Jhunjhunwala

Analyst

I think for the loan-to-deposit ratio, we are still reasonably below the industry standard. So we'll continue to drive those up. I don't think we have a very fixed target at this point in time, but we are still less than 50%. So there is ample room to continue to grow. We also have an ability to dial up or dial down the deposit growth. And so it really depends on the scaling of the lending book that will enable us to maintain a healthy LDR ratios. I think in terms of capital raise/IPO, I mean, we, at the company, continue to remain focused on scaling the business. We are solidly cash flow generative. We are profitable. So we don't need to raise external capital to continue to drive growth. And so that's a good thing. And I think as far as any IPO or any other strategic alternatives are concerned, I think we'll let the shareholders decide and take appropriate action at the right time.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Aayush. Okay. Looks like we have just a minute or so left. There are some questions here in the queue. This is a question from Zhiwei on Maya. So how do you see loan disbursement continuing to grow in the second half of 2025? You're tracking about the same amount of loans made with GCash in the second quarter, Maya PHP 32 billion, GCash PHP 34 billion. Curious to understand where you're driving the loan growth from and whether you are in direct competition with the same market as GCash?

Aayush Jhunjhunwala

Analyst

Yes. We have a very strong suite of products that we offer now between both consumer and businesses, starting with a Maya Easy Credit, which favors a consumer who has never taken a loan before. So first to credit customers. These are very short-term small ticket loans. Then we have personal loans where we graduate consumers for longer duration, larger ticket sizes. We have just launched credit card. We launched Landers credit card last year, and we've just launched our own self-branded credit card last week. So it's a very robust set of products, credit products for the consumers. And similarly, we have a working capital product for businesses, both for fixed duration as well as for installment loan. So there is no one particular product that is driving all the disbursal. It's a fairly diversified book. It's a fairly diversified disbursals, and we'll continue to see escalation across the board and growth across the board. We do focus -- just in terms of our customer segmentation, we do focus on mass affluent and above customers. We have a very, very millennials, Gen Z-focused customer base. And so that's our continued focus. There are many products that we offer. We are the only ones, for example, amongst the digital banks or lenders to have a credit card. So we do continue to differentiate and offer products suitable to our customer base.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

Thank you, Aayush. Okay. It looks like that's about all the time that we have for today. So that concludes today's briefing, and I'd like to thank everybody for their time and continued support of PLDT. But before we end the meeting, perhaps I'd like to invite our Chairman and VP, if he has any closing remarks.

Manuel Velez Pangilinan

Analyst

Thank you for joining us this afternoon. And when we announce our results, September, right? So we should see you in September with the third quarter results. Thank you.

Marseille N. Nograles

Operator

In November. Thank you, everyone. If you have any other questions that you weren't able to ask today, please feel free to send them over. I'd be happy to get to you by e-mail. Thank you. Have a great day.