Abhijit Bhattacharya - Executive Vice President of Investor Relations François Adrianus van Houten - Chairman of the Board of Management, Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of The Executive Committee Ron H. Wirahadiraksa - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President, Member of Board of Management and Member of The Executive Committee

Andreas P. Willi - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division Martin Wilkie - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division Ben Uglow - Morgan Stanley, Research Division Gael de-Bray - Societe Generale Cross Asset Research Olivier Esnou - Exane BNP Paribas, Research Division Fabian Smeets - ING Groep N.V., Research Division Fredric Stahl - UBS Investment Bank, Research Division Aaron Ibbotson - Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Research Division Daniel Cunliffe - Nomura Securities Co. Ltd., Research Division Philip Wilson - Redburn Partners LLP, Research Division William Mackie - Berenberg, Research Division Peter Olofsen - Kepler Cheuvreux, Research Division Andrew Carter - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division David Vos - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Welcome to the Royal Philips Second Quarter Results 2013 Conference Call on Monday, the 22nd of July 2013. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this call will be recorded and is available by webcast on the website of Royal Philips. I will now hand the conference over to Mr. Abhijit Bhattacharya, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this conference call on the results for the second quarter of 2013 of Royal Philips. I'm here with Frans van Houten, our CEO; and our CFO, Ron Wirahadiraksa. In a moment, Frans will make his opening remarks and give you an update on the progress we have made during the quarter. Ron will shed more light on the details of the financial performance during the quarter. After these, both Frans and Ron will be happy take your questions. As usual, our press release and the accompanying information slide deck were published at 7 a.m. CET this morning. Both documents are now available for download from our Investor Relations website. We will also make available a full transcript of this conference call on the Investor Relations website by tomorrow. With that, let me hand over the call to Frans. François Adrianus van Houten: Thanks, Abhijit. Welcome, and thank you for joining us today. The second quarter of 2013 was the fifth consecutive quarter of good progress for Philips, as our operational results were 30% better than last year. Our Accelerate! program is clearly driving improved performance. And all sectors achieved a year-on-year improvement in operational results, thanks to our highly engaged employees who are focused on delivering on our plans. I'm particularly pleased that, despite challenging economic conditions, we have continued to increase our operational gross margin, which is up by 200 basis points compared to a year ago. We are continuing to make fundamental changes to the culture at Philips, driving entrepreneurship, increasing our customer responsiveness and lowering our cost base. We are also making our product portfolio locally relevant, driving procurement savings and reducing our cost of non-quality, which has enabled us to deliver better operation and -- operating results on a…

Thank you, Frans. Good morning, and welcome to all of you on the call. I will begin by giving you some color on the developments in the markets we serve and then walk you through the financial performance for the second quarter. Let me start with Healthcare. In the U.S., market conditions remained challenging, with hospitals working through the implications of the sequestration and healthcare reform and the resulting delay of some of their purchasing decisions. We expect the related market uncertainties to continue in the short term, also pending the upcoming round of budgetary decision-making. Healthcare construction is forecasted to grow by 2% in 2013, and patient procedural volume is expected to slightly grow in the low-single-digit range. In Europe, we continued to see significantly differing market dynamics on a country-by-country basis. The U.K. and Benelux displayed signs of moderate growth, while the Nordics experienced some market softness. The larger markets, such as Germany and France, are soft. Southern Europe continues to face market declines as a result of the austerity measures undertaken. In the growth geographies, the ASEAN region and China continued to record good growth during the second quarter of 2013. On the other hand, Middle East, Turkey and Russia witnessed low tender activity, which resulted in lower market momentum in the second quarter. We expect market growth to be double digits for the overall growth geographies in 2013. We estimate market growth to be at the low end of the 3% to 4% growth estimates we made earlier in the year. In Q2, consumer markets continued to follow the fluctuating patterns seen earlier. The Eurozone real GDP growth continues to show a weak trend. Unemployment increased further to reach 12.2% overall. This the highest since 2003. The European Union consumer confidence index has been improving since…

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Andreas Willi from JPMorgan Cazenove. Andreas P. Willi - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: My first question is on Lighting. And maybe you could give us a bit more color what's going on in the growth of Lumileds. That's kind of mid single digits. Given the current LED adoption, that looks quite disappointing. Are you underperforming the market there? And on the Professional Luminaires business, which was down, you highlighted the issues in the U.S. How long are these issues in the U.S. going to last? You have been talking about those for quite a while. François Adrianus van Houten: Andreas, thank you for your questions. Let me start with the questions on Lighting. The Lumileds turnaround is progressing well. As you recall, we put new management in place January of 2012. And in the meantime, we have seen a good progress on profitability improvements, as we believe we are on track there. The growth rate in the Lumileds business, we find it reasonable. We perform in the high-power, high-brightness LEDs. Some of our -- some other industry players see strong growth in so-called mid-power LEDs. That's a different segment, so maybe not totally comparable. All in all, we are reasonably satisfied with the progress, although there is more to be done in Lumileds. And with regard to Professional Luminaires in the United States, yes, there are -- we are not fully performing. We started the long-awaited full integration of the Genlyte acquisition in the course of 2012. The plan is progressing very well. It entails, among others, the reorganization of the sales force to cover all the Philips Lighting products through a single sales force, the reappointment of agents, the closure of several factories, the consolidation of R&D centers and the rollout of new IT. Admittedly, that is quite a lot, but it was long overdue. We are dealing with the issues. The plan is progressing well. And there's some consequence versus competitors that we are not fully performing while we are transforming the engine room, but we have great confidence that the management is on the path to recovery towards the end of this year, where we expect to come out very well. So it's a work in progress, but it's going in the right direction. Andreas P. Willi - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: And my follow-up question, just on IG&S, whether there's an update for the guidance for the full year, given some of the moving parts and maybe lower numbers in Q2 as well.

Yes, Andreas, this is Ron. So for now, the guidance will remain the same, EUR 330 million. We realize that there was the EUR 6 million incidental that we had booked as a result of the pension cost gain, but then I also mentioned that, in Q3, we will do the settlement payments for the people that we are going to settle with from the defined benefits to defined contribution plan. And then as Frans explained, we've close that, so that -- there will be some impact of that, and we can't really estimate that right now.

The next question comes from Martin Wilkie from Deutsche Bank.

It's Martin from Deutsche Bank. Just a quick question on Healthcare. Very strong order intake level. Firstly, on your market outlook, you still seem relatively cautious there given the strength of order intake. Should we see the intake this quarter as a result of product launches and so forth as perhaps not sustainable? Or are you seeing an inflection in the end market? And that was question number one. The second one was, we have seen a rebound in growth in emerging markets relative to last quarter, so if you could just let us know, has something happened in emerging markets to cause that pickup in revenue growth? François Adrianus van Houten: In the press release, I also warn for continued concerns of the economic outlook of the world. Japanese yen, healthcare reform, many economies like Europe still in the doldrums, China slowing. So we cannot be totally relaxed about the state of the world yet. In that volatile environment, Philips is improving its performance in Healthcare. A slate of new products coming out. That should sustain momentum on the order front, which we also need in order to sustain and underpin the second half of the year. Also, strong order growth for Healthcare in, for example, China, where we finally got a lot of approvals from the Sino FDA, SFDA, therefore, also some pent-up demand that we were able to start booking. We look with confidence at our ability to compete. But the year started slow and that effect of the slow start will still work its way through the whole year, as -- yes, as one swallow doesn't make summer yet, as they say, I think it's a Dutch expression. So one quarter of good order intake doesn't compensate for a couple of quarters prior that were quite weak, and I've already mentioned the uncertainties. So -- and with that, of course, we remain committed to our targets for this year.

The next question comes from Ben Uglow from Morgan Stanley.

I had a couple of questions. On the -- Ron, could you give us a frame of reference for thinking about the Consumer Lifestyle business going forward. The reason I ask is, if I look at the second quarter results and obviously, there's a restatement from last year, I felt that the profit level at 7.8%, given the sales growth, was slightly light. I don't know if you sort of agree with that. But I wondered, was your promotional or investment or selling expenses in the second quarter particularly aggressive versus last year? So that was question number one. And a related question, if we look typically at the seasonality of Consumer Lifestyle throughout the year, there is normally a big difference obviously between 2Q and 4Q, something like 4 to 5 percentage points in quite a few years. Is there any reason why that normal seasonality should not apply now, in terms of mix or divestments or anything? Should we still expect that significant progression over the course of the year?

Well, thanks for the question. So first, let me remind that in the 4 quarters 2012, the growth in the Consumer Lifestyle business, as in the current portfolio, has been 7%, 7% -- sorry, 7%, 8%, 10% and 10%. So the first quarter was also 10% and now we have 13%, just wanted to put that data point in. So the growth compare, of course, is going to be more challenging in the second half. That is one point I'd like to give you. The point on advertising and promotion, yes, we have been doing more advertising and promotion. So between Q1 and Q2, the ANP was about 250 basis points higher, so we think we have good operating leverage in the Consumer Lifestyle business. Seasonality in Q2 and Q4, there's no reason now to assume that that would directionally change, we don't see that. We think there's enough underlying good execution and good innovation strategy with local relevance that Frans elaborated upon to help drive growth. But as I said, the second half of last year, there was already pretty strong growth indication.

That's very clear. And I had just one follow-up, a very general question on the emerging market growth. Obviously, we're reading everywhere daily about incremental concerns on the emerging markets. You grew them very nicely in the quarter; did you see that growth taper off to across your portfolio toward the end of the quarter?

Ben, no, that's not a conclusion that we would like to draw. But given volatility, we do see stops and starts across the world. Also, in both the Healthcare and the Lighting business, orders are sometimes lumpy, and projects sizes tend to increase. Maybe we haven't talked so much about it, but with hospital consolidation, that causes more lumpy order situation. And also, in Lighting, we see that as we move towards projects and solutions, the average order size per deal is increasing, which will, I think, continue as a trend. Maybe back to your first question, what I still would like to observe is that, as we are performing very well and taking market share, there's of course also the possibility that there will be a competitive response that we will anticipate on.

The next question comes from Gael de-Bray from Societe Generale.

Regarding the overhead cost-cutting program, it seems that you've changed some of the underlying assumptions there. I mean, restructuring costs have been cut from EUR 125 million to EUR 80 million for this year. Annual investments have also been increased to EUR 140 million. I think it was up from EUR 100 million initially. So what's driving really those changes, please? And the second question actually relates to the Lighting margins. Given the slow start to the Lighting margin in H1, I guess on a sequential basis, would you say that the Lighting target in margin ranges is probably the most at risk today within the portfolio? Or do you expect really a nice pick up in profitability in the second half of the year? And obviously, what would drive such a pickup if it happens? François Adrianus van Houten: Great questions. Let me first talk about the cost-reduction program. It's true that the restructuring will come out somewhat lower. So as I already indicated in my part of the speech, there is somewhat lower restructuring also in IG&S. There is, in certain parts of Europe, some slowness in getting the necessary approvals. So therefore, in the remainder of the year, that will be somewhat lower. Also, we find, and this is quite almost by design, I would say, that we take restructuring programs and costs on the full headcount, but much of that headcount actually finds a different destination. Many times outside or when we find different solutions, we don't have to take that. So there's always some variability. Our rule of experience is that we use about 75% to 80% of restructuring provisions taken. But at the time of restructuring, we had to take them. There's also somewhat of a shift, indeed, in the annual investments, the EUR 140 million. So as we have outlined earlier, we are literally rewiring the company. And one-off investments that it will take to get this in place in the coming years is higher than anticipated. This is mostly costs related to IT programs, the process and data building process and data capability. Maybe I can also take the opportunity to say that we are very pleased with our overhead cost-reduction program. And please note that on Page 31 of the investment deck, we have now given you, instead of cumulative savings, the savings in the year, and we did that because we are in the second year, so it's more somewhat of a more difficult thing sometimes to work with cumulative as the reference base caps being and is still 2011. So we wanted to give you a clearer picture. And you can see that therefore, in the year 2013, year-to-date, we have actually saved EUR 202 million. And therefore, we're cumulative with our achievements in the end of '11 and mostly last year. Now it's EUR 673 million, whilst the full year is EUR 900 million, so the run rate looks actually pretty good.

Just can I ask maybe a follow-up on the annual investments that have been increased a little bit compared to the prior expectations or the prior estimates. Is it something like a 2-year process ending really at end of 2014, or is it something that is expected to continue at that level, maybe at least till 2016 now? François Adrianus van Houten: Yes. So we've -- that's a very good point. We always elaborate on that at the Capital Markets Day in March. So our Accelerate! program is not saving EUR 1.1 billion overhead cost by 2014. We've articulated mostly the overhead cost. Actually, Accelerate! is stretching into 2017. Now we're teeing up also more programs within that. For example, the whole DfX, the Design for Excellence, manufacturing, et cetera, of which we have in the Capital Markets Day in March, told you that we will expect to save on the Bill of Materials about EUR 1 billion between 2014 and 2016. So that requires still a little, more of expense than anticipated. Also, we are moving ahead with our End2End implementation and implementing the business models that will depict our new way of working. As you know, we are doing 4 standard business models, of which standard products models, the first one, will be up and running towards the end of next year. So we're also going a little faster with some of the programs. But it is not until 2014, the whole Accelerate! stretches in 2017. And we'll give more guidance on the way forward at our update in September.

Right, your second question related to Lighting. You asked whether the Lighting target was the most tough to achieve versus the others. Clearly, Consumer Lifestyle is trending very well. We strongly believe in our ability to further improve operational excellence and margins in all 3 sectors. Lighting still has a lot of work to do. But also there, we are confident that we are progressing well. So, yes, Q1 may be a somewhat slow start on the top line, but all 3 sectors showed significant bottom line improvement. And again, in Q2, all 3 sectors show significant bottom line improvement on an operational level. So with that, we look with confidence at the rest of the year, knowing that we are a case of self-help and that we can drive this improvement ourselves.

The next question comes from Olivier Esnou from Exxon BNP Paribas.

My first question regards the effects of diamond [ph], which you mentioned as a concern. Can you talk a little bit more about how this is impacting you in terms of yen decline, competition from Japanese player, your business over there and how the hedging of the company is mitigating that across business and region and can you give some detail? That's my first question. François Adrianus van Houten: Okay. Well, the impact so far for the first half has been relatively modest, I would say, so not a lot. We expect the main impact of the currency changes to take place in the second half of the year. And of course, we have included that in our commitment to our targets. So, yes, we do hedge. Of course, hedges are down overall. And for -- particularly the Japanese yen, we also don't have to reckon with the impact of competitive moves from the change in ForEx and by other players in the market, I would say. So, so far, the combined effect of the ForEx in terms of translation and transaction, if I combine it in the offset in the hedges, has been quite modest for the first half. Well, I said, in the second half, we expect a larger impact.

Now maybe to complement, we do see more aggressive behavior by some Japanese companies that are helped by favorable currency for them. However, response is to be more of a solutions provider to healthcare customers. And the Georgia region's hospital deal in the United States, which has a very nice order of USD 300 million and a 15-year duration, is exactly a great example of how we want to insulate ourselves from competition on standalone deals, which have a tendency to be more price-orientated. Obviously, we are keen to further expand on that strategy. And I'm sure it will also be a topic that Deborah DiSanzo will elaborate on during the Capital Markets Day in next -- next year. All right, Olivier, yes.

Maybe just one follow-up, please. In terms of restructuring charge for the full year, if we take everything together, not just tax rate but footprint and acquisition-related charge, can you give an idea when that should be this year?

I'm not fully understanding your question, Olivier.

The P&L charge for restructuring, so you give an indication on the Slide 31. Is that everything for the year or will there be more relating to footprint in Lighting, acquisition-related charge? Do you have a -- and so that includes everything?

So we've guided overall for the BMI and the restructuring. Restructuring is the main part for about EUR 60 million in Q3. As you know, we have taken quite some provisions for restructuring of the industry or footprint in Lighting, and we're executing on that go forward. And we'll update you more in Capital Markets Day on how we see that go forward. As the conventional lamps business will also decline further, as we have already indicated, ongoing, will take a restructuring. But for this year, we have taken the plans that we have made at the end of last year, of course, already into consideration restructuring charges last year. Now maybe it's also good to say that we expect that the actual cash out this year were restructuring charges. So let's say, disbursements on provisions taken last year will be close to EUR 300 million. I thought I'd also give you that data point on this question.

The next question comes from Fabian Smeets from ING.

A question from my side on the pension settlement in the third quarter. I think you have already indicated that, at the moment, you find it difficult to estimate exactly how much you're going to spend. But maybe for modeling purposes, can you give a slight indication of if it's in the 10s of millions of euros or maybe even in the 100s millions of euros?

So just to make it clear, this is to settle with the fact that we have frozen the funds and that we settle with people that have before defined benefit plans. Now what is important there to take into account is the interest rate on the settlement date; that will determine the cost of that. So there will be somewhat of an impact. I don't think it will be very grotesque, if that's the right word, but we have to see when it happens and that will probably also be more of a thing I can talk to about on Capital Markets Day.

The next question comes from Fredric Stahl from UBS.

It's Frederick here from UBS. I actually want to ask you about the Lighting business and it's a high-level question. What kind of -- is there a structural reason for you guys not being able to split up the traditional Lighting business from the LED business given the completely different dynamics in the 2? So if you can give me an idea of that. And then secondly, I wanted to ask about the IT overall, how is that progressing? How far have you come? François Adrianus van Houten: Okay, maybe I'll start with IT and then let Ron give a little bit of color on conventional versus LED. We described last year our overall strategy with regard to IT, and there are 4 main initiatives in that. I'll stay at a high-level. Part is outsourcing of mundane tasks and cost reduction. There, we are very well on track. And then a big other part is the transformation of the IT landscape at Philips. Landscape, that is very diverse and old and that is not enough helping the business, with multiple SAP hurdles and a lot of legacy. And there, we are rolling out, in conjunction with the business process re-engineering, the business models, the value chains that Ron spoke about from next year onwards, a state-of-the-art, realtime IT landscape, which serves the business much better and which is also highly secure and so on. That is what we are making the investments on at the moment. That relates to the EUR 140 million, which partly goes into the design of the processes and IT and partly also in the testing in preparation of the rollout. This is a program that is big, and it will run until 2017. And I would note that during Capital Markets Day, we'll say a few words about that topic. Overall, just going well. Maybe then back to Ron.

Yes, so, of course, reporting-wise, spitting out LED and conventional is not the thing. But your question is more, I believe, why don't you split them out because of the different business dynamics? We have not done that because we run the business from a BG consolidation perspective, that there are multiple technologies at work actually is not a reason to split out the one or the other. I would argue that they have to go hand-in-hand. And if there is such a thing as the sunset and the sunrise part of the business, then we better make sure that we have one combined leadership worrying about -- and of course, rejoicing, for that matter, on both.

The next question comes from Aaron Ibbotson from Goldman Sachs.

It's Aaron here from Goldman. I've actually got a very similar question, but phrased slightly differently, and that's also related to the LED versus traditional. And I was curious to hear your thoughts on how the LED growth is slowing sort of on a sequential basis. I may have my numbers wrong here, but when I look at the numbers you provide, I get to very close to almost stable LED-based sales over the last 4 quarters whereas a very dramatic growth the quarters before. Is there a big seasonality here in LED, which is not happening in traditional or have I misunderstood the numbers in some way, or should we expect year-over-year growth to slow very dramatically in the third quarter? So effectively, I want to know what is happening sequentially over the last 2, 3 quarters on the LED-based sales, which looks approximately flat to maybe plus 10% on my numbers? François Adrianus van Houten: Well, I recall that our LED-based sales grew with 37% in Q1 and 28% in Q2, whereas our conventional Lighting declined. So that means that LED is not stable versus the rest. So that, I think, is something to reconsider. Overall, LED Lighting is now 25% of our Lighting portfolio, and we expect the 25% proportion to grow to about 45% by the year 2015. Obviously, that will continue to require a strong sales growth. We see very good traction in the professional markets with LED, where in terms of new quotations for projects, the majority now is based on LED technology. There are market segments that are really early adopters and strongly convinced about the benefits of the technology, whereas the consumer is lagging behind, which is logical given the price points of LED lamps. On the LED consumer lamp's side, we see prices coming down to below EUR 10. That's still not good enough for mass consumer adoption, but maybe from next year onwards, we can also see that accelerate. So we remain confident that LED is growing rapidly and, therefore, I think we have a slight different view on the analysis that you just presented, Aaron.

Frans, thank you, I appreciate. But if you allow me to just probe a little bit more. I mean, in Q3 last year, you said that LED-based sales were 24%. Now you're saying it's 25%. So what I'm trying to get to is what's happened over the last 3 quarters rather than over the last year? I appreciate the growth was very dramatic in the beginning of last year, which you're now comping. But your comps, as far as I can see, going into the third and fourth quarter, is going to be dramatically much tougher. And if I look at your decline from 51% to 28% year-over-year growth over the last 3 quarters, that is equal to roughly flatlining on a sequential basis. So I'm just trying to understand if I'm missing something here or if there's a big seasonality happening?

Aaron, let me clarify, this is Abhijit. We compare year-on-year, so if you look at Q2 2012, it was 19.6%. And from there, it's gone to 25%. So looking at it sequentially doesn't really give you really the correct number. So the improvement is on year-on-year. So last year at this stage, we were at, say, roughly 20%. That has gone up to 25%. So similarly, in Q3 last year, we were at 23%. Hopefully, Q3 this year, we'll be at a significantly higher level. That's how the math works.

Okay, but you are 24% now in the report in Q3 last year and you're 25% this, so that's a growth around 5%. Is that the way to understand it, Q3 to Q2?

No, you'd have to look at Q2 to Q2. 20% is now 25%. That's how to look at it.

Aaron, can I suggest that we take this offline and that we work through the model, okay?

The next question comes from Daniel Cunliffe from Nomura.

A question just on the 1.5% inventory to sales improvement you said, mainly in Healthcare and Lighting. Can you confirm that all of that was through efficiency measures, or was there any underproduction? I'm particularly asking because Lumileds saw a 320 basis point reduction to inventories. That is sort of question number one. And then the second question, is there any sort of large differences we should be aware of as we think about the second half versus the first half in sort of gross margin and EBIT movements? So particularly as we think about consumer, I mean, should we expect sort of SG&A costs and RAM costs and new-product launches sort of fall down a little bit and so we see sort of more to the EBIT margin improvement? So I guess, the second question is really, was there any division way, there was a sort of a large difference between sort of gross margin and then EBIT movement for this quarter?

So you asked about Lumileds inventory, yes, there was a bit of production control that we had to do, which we consider very good stewardship. So somewhat of that is in the numbers, but overall, I would say, this is really the result of operational improvements and if you do in your production plan, then that is something that is a bit -- that's not needed at the moment. But I said, for the second half, we remain committed to our targets. You asked if there are many major shifts in the EBITAs from the various sectors. Usually the second half is more seasonally weighted. It applies particularly to Healthcare, but also I would say to Lighting and somewhat to Consumer Lifestyle, with the Christmas season and Chinese New Year, usually, there's some buying there. So, yes, there is a normal pattern of expanded margins off the second half.

Perhaps just one follow-up on the Lumileds question then. You said some of that was in the numbers as you sort of adjusted production there. Is it possible to quantify? And if -- so if not, sort of would that impact, sort of, repeat as we head into H2, as orders that have sort of a negative impact sort of fallout?

Yes, Daniel, this is Abhijit. No further -- I mean, there were some impact, as Ron said, on Q2. But for Q3 and Q4, we don't expect any major curtailment in production in Lumileds.

The next question comes from Philip Wilson from Redburn.

It's Phil Wilson from Redburn. I've 2 questions, please. First, I'm seeing a G&A increase of 52% 2Q '13 versus Q2 '12 or EUR 79 million. Presuming that's not set by the A&P increase in share, which I imagine being the selling expenses line, can you expand what that relates to, and how we should think about the G&A line going forward? That's the first question. And secondly, just to clarify that Lighting adjusted margin year-on-year improvement, can you say how much that benefit the Lighting margin saw from the EUR 165 million industrial footprint program, I suppose, to accelerate savings? And how we should think about the phasing of this EUR 165 million program going forward? François Adrianus van Houten: Okay. So the difference in the G&A is EUR 68 million, well noted. EUR 50 million of that is due to Accelerate! So there's the programs End2End, the DfX and the 4 business models, the implementation, the rewiring of the company that I spoke of, and EUR 18 million is due to reclassification of gross margin to G&A. That's the smaller part of the equation. The EUR 165 million that we talked about until last year, and we said that the EUR 165 million of Lighting savings, pertaining to restructuring, would take place over in the coming 2 to 3 years. That we have not put an exact timing on it because sometimes these things go quite lumpy. But it's the timeframe in which you should think about this benefit.

Okay. And just a follow-up, you highlighted at the end of your presentation Healthcare seasonality. I mean, the fourth quarter has historically been the strongest quarter in Healthcare. But I just want to understand, are you saying that seasonality in the fourth quarter will be stronger than normal, or you're just highlighting the normal seasonality there?

I was highlighting in that answer to normal seasonality.

The next question comes from William Mackie from Berenberg Bank.

If I could come back to a couple of points on Healthcare and CL. On the Healthcare orders, could you just help me understand the underlying trend in North America if we adjust for the EUR 300 million large 15-year order that you've highlighted? What were the trends in the business excluding that? And how much, I think you mentioned in the EUR 300 million, you've only booked part of it, so how much more is there to come through the rest of the year? And on emerging markets in orders with Healthcare, a remarkable pickup again with the 19% underlying growth in Q2, could you just maybe throw some color on which countries stand out? I think you highlighted China, but is there one that stands out above all others that's driving that and whether it's sustainable? And then coming onto CL, just coming back to an earlier question on the A&P spend, could you clarify, did you say it was a 250-basis-point drag year-on-year on the margin Q2 for CL? And what would you expect in terms of A&P spend in H2?

Okay. So typically the second half, the impact that A&P makes on the sales is less than, for example, in Q2, so that's not what I said earlier, pertains to the Q2 seasonality. And as I said, Q2 versus Q1 was 250 basis points in advertising up. But as the season takes place more in sales in the second half, it makes much less of an impact in the second half. So that's not the way to think about such an increase go forward. So that, we'll have to follow up or that follows a normal pattern. You asked about the Georgia region's deal. Less than 10% of the deal is booked as order intake. As I said, we have quite strict rules in how we recognize and report on orders. So the rest of the improvement is across the business, I would say, as outlined earlier. And I'm sorry, there was one other... François Adrianus van Houten: Emerging markets Healthcare.

Yes, emerging markets Healthcare, well, we saw particularly good strength in China in sales growth. Also in India, very good sales growth. Japan is still growing. And in Latin America, we've also seen very good sales growth. The sales -- but the order and sales growth have a lot to do with a slate of new products that have been introduced. I mentioned in my introductory speech that we got an SDA -- SFDA approval in China for several new Healthcare products, and that is driving this strong traction that the we expect to continue also in the rest of the year. Okay?

Okay. A quick follow-up, but a broad question. Philips, you've undertaken huge amounts of change with regard to Accelerate! You've structured the balance sheet, you've ended your buyback program. At what point should we start thinking you're ready to look to capital allocation and specifically M&A once the Philips Business System model has become established?

Yes. So we just completed the share buyback, the earlier one, the one we just finished, the EUR 2 billion that we started in July of 2011. Our M&A strategy remains currently the bolt-on acquisitions that are really value compelling. And for the rest, I would refer to what we said earlier. I'm giving you an update on the capital allocation strategy going forward in September.

The next question comes from Peter Olofsen from Kepler Cheuvreux.

I had 2 questions left. First on the Lighting business, looking at the margins in the second half of the year, will there be any benefits compared with first half from [indisernible] costs and pricing actions that you have taken? And then on IG&S, comparable sales were down 14%. In the press release, you referred to lower license income. I understand that there is typically some quarter-to-quarter volatility in there, but has the outlook for Lighting income changed?

No, the outlook for Lighting income has not changed. So by and large, we remain looking at certain early occasions. On the phosphor, as I said in the remark -- the prepared remarks, this is in the numbers. So quantitatively, it will be somewhat higher, the effect in the second half of the year. But bear in mind that last year, it started somewhat in Q4, though, we said it's not a large impact. So towards the end of Q4, this should equalize in the compare. But for Q3 and the beginning of Q4, that will be somewhat of a an advantageous factor.

The next question comes from Andrew Carter from RBC.

It's Andrew from RBC. Most of my questions have been asked actually, but I just wondered on Healthcare, I was wondering, I guess, you have mentioned a couple of times that the outlook is a little bit volatile. But I was wondering if there's sort of any sign that things are starting to improve a little bit. I noticed that you've mentioned that North America is being back to positive the first time in some while. I think your U.S. competitors talked about Europe being positive in the most recent quarter, again, from the first time in some while. And so I was just wondering, does that make you feel a little bit more positive, or is it possible some of the sort of sequester or austerity initiatives that we're seeing in different parts of the world might yet still have to impact in coming quarters, and how should we think about that? François Adrianus van Houten: Yes, Andrew, volatility will remain with us -- I think with the market. But there are a few positive signs. In the United States, the governmental orders have started to come back in, for example, the veterans and other governmental hospitals. So that is a positive sign of perhaps overcoming the sequestration. Nevertheless, in the U.S., healthcare reform continues to have major impact on the hospital systems. We see hospitals emerging into larger accountable care organizations, and that of course means that they're focused on that process rather than on doing capital investments. In Europe, we see somewhat lumpy behavior. If you recall, in the second half of last year, we had some quite good order intake. Now currently, in the Nordics, we see some weakness. So there are ups and downs across Europe. I think it is way too early to call a turn of the market as of yet. The emerging markets continue to be strong. And I think there there's so much backlog in building an effective healthcare system that, for the right offering, that we have, there will be an ongoing demand. So all in all, if you add it all up, I think we can be a bit more optimistic, but it is certainly not yet safe waters.

The final question comes from David Vos from Barclays.

Just a question on Lighting, if I may. On LED price versus cost equation, how are you seeing that evolving? Are you keeping up in reducing your costs versus what you see on the price reduction side? And then maybe if you could also comment on how you see prices developing between the consumer and the professional angle, please? François Adrianus van Houten: All right. Well, as can be expected in a new technology, there's a lot of trends going on at the same time. We must have an aggressive cost down, otherwise the technology won't get adopted. So in effect, we are driving ourselves as the leader in lighting down the prices. This is especially necessary in the consumer domain where we need to reach price points well below $5 in order to hit the sweet spot of adoption, something that we have experienced with also in the past when you look at, for example, CFL-I adoption. We see that on the professional side, it is more total cost of ownership decision-making, so where you can really come with superior technology and premium prices, because it's the overall functionality and total cost of ownership that counts. We continue to see possibilities to run down the costs. Also the DfX program, the Design for Excellence that Ron mentioned, is helping us to create very cost-effective platforms. In terms of ability to match costs down with price down, we are not totally there yet to be satisfied. And currently, the profitability of LED still is trailing the profitability of conventional. But we are confident that in the future, this will be a good business for us, and more to follow at the Capital Markets Day in September.

Thank you, Mr. Van Houten and Mr. Wirahadiraksa, there are no further questions. Please continue. François Adrianus van Houten: All right. Well, thanks very much, all, for joining in on this call where we could look at very satisfactory 30% operational profitability improvement and the return to growth of order intake for Healthcare and quite a few other achievements. This is all on our journey to unlock the full potential of Philips. By far, we are not done yet and we see many more opportunities down the pipe. And we hope we will have a very exciting Capital Markets Day in September, where we can have depth discussion together with you.

This concludes the Royal Philips Second Quarter Results 2013 Conference Call on Monday, 22nd of July 2013. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.