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Pegasystems Inc. (PEGA)

Q1 2012 Earnings Call· Thu, May 3, 2012

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Pegasystems Inc. Q1 2012 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] And as a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. Now I would like to turn the call over to your host, Pegasystems' Chief Financial Officer, Craig Dynes.

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Thank you. Good evening, and welcome to the Pegasystems' 2012 Q1 Earnings Conference Call. With me here in Cambridge is Alan Trefler, Pegasystems' Founder and CEO. Before I hand it to Alan, I will start with our Safe Harbor statement and then provide my financial commentary. Certain statements contained in this presentation may be construed as forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The words anticipate, project, expects, plans, intends, believes, estimates, targets, forecasts and could and other similar expressions identify forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date it was made. Because such statements deal with future events, they are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results for fiscal year 2012 and beyond could differ materially from the company's current expectations. Factors that could cause the company's results to differ materially from those expressed in forward-looking statements are contained in the company's press release announcing its Q1 2012 earnings and in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including its report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2011, and other recent filings with the SEC. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update forward-looking statements as a result of new information since these statements may no longer be accurate or timely. Q1 was a solid start for the year. At $111 million of revenue, it was the second-highest in our history, and bookings were strong enough that we didn't need any backlog. It's pretty normal in the enterprise software business to build backlog in the second half of the year and use backlog in the first half. So maintaining license backlog, where it was following the bookings bloat that we had in Q4, is a good start to the year. License signings were up in…

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

Thank you, Craig, and good evening to those on the phone. Pega is gaining market share in the BPM, Business Process Management, and CRM, Customer Relationship Management, markets. It's a very exciting time. Abbreviations in tech terms can be muddy, but the power delivered by our technology is indisputable. Pega software revolutionizes how organizations serve customers and automate work by empowering businesspeople to create and evolve their critical business systems. This produces staggering returns. We provide the world's leading platform for organizations to unify their business applications, unifying business rules, business processes, user interface, integration with external systems, reporting, decisioning and mobile, in one architecture that can be deployed on-premise, on a private cloud, or on the public cloud. This is incredibly powerful, and the underlying technology empowers businesspeople to create and evolve these mission-critical business apps for customer centricity, for saving money, and for building for the future. These are really the central value propositions of BPM and CRM. Pega enhances this core with capabilities to deliver and drive Next-Best-Action marketing automation. We also build industry-specific frameworks with preconfigured industry best practices, industry specialized rules and processes, preconfigured industry standard data models and preconfigured UI and reports. Customers enjoy the speed to market and best practices in these models and frameworks and because our CRM products and our industry frameworks are built on a unified platform, they automatically inherit the powerful benefits of business agility, business specialization and multichannel work automation, all accomplished with no or little manual coding. Our continued investment in R&D has enabled us to stay ahead of the market. And we plan to continue to invest a higher-than-average percentage of revenue in our industry-leading software as we continue to grow it and focus on delivering customer success. We achieved our Q1 revenue plan while also…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Nathan Schneiderman with Roth Capital.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst · Roth Capital

I was hoping we could start with -- you did reference some success with bigger deals and you called out at one in oil and gas and the industry in particular. But I was curious if you could share with us maybe the number of deals you achieved over $10 million and maybe the number of medium-sized deals for you, $5 million to $10 million?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

We had a few over the $5 million sort of mark. And some of the deals that are biggest actually had some contingencies in them. So we don't actually consider them fully bookings now. But it was really exciting to sign up with one of the world's largest companies in that space. I think it's a harbinger for a lot of good things.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst · Roth Capital

And then -- I'm sorry, did you want to add anything else?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

I don't. No.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst · Roth Capital

You had referenced a pipeline of $1.5 billion. I was just curious if you could share with us, what percentage would you say that's up year-over-year?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

I think, year-over-year, it's up about 40 -- high 30s, maybe 40%.

Nathan Schneiderman

Analyst · Roth Capital

Final question area for you. I was just curious if you could share with us more statistics on the success you're having with the decision management product, the Next Best recommendation engine. Curious if you could share with us maybe the number of deals you've achieved in the quarter. What percent of your license bookings, you feel, are being driven by this particular product?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

Sure. I've actually had a chance to look it up and the actual number was 43% year-over-year. But the Next-Best-Action bit, it's really starting to get excellent momentum. We, over the last 6 months, and including in the quarter, have won a couple of very significant pieces of business, where it's really a combination of Next-Best-Action, powering BPM and -- being powered by BPM. So it's not as easy to tease those apart. I actually think that the Next-Best-Action is probably a pretty good thing to have in the midst of most processes. So what I would tell you is we're seeing it probably start to play a role in 1/4 to 1/3 of the deals, and I think we're going to see that number in the second half grow to 50% or more.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Laura Lederman with William Blair.

Laura Lederman

Analyst · William Blair

Can you talk a little bit about the contingency and why it's not booked, what type of things is it contingent on? And was that the big oil and gas deal? I'm just trying to understand the contingencies. And does that mean it doesn't show up anywhere even in the exhibits in your Q to talk about future revenue recognition?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · William Blair

Contingent is probably the wrong word. I think it was a deal sort of a multi-pump deal where they buy something with a commitment to buy more but certain things have to be achieved before they did. Anything that looks remotely like that doesn't show up in any of our numbers. We would never include something like that. But the sales effort in this case was commensurate with something that is truly whale-ish and the team actually delivered on it and I think we're in really, really good shape probably as it goes forward. The nature of the business, though, I'd just as soon not get into too many details on it.

Laura Lederman

Analyst · William Blair

Can you talk about that pipeline in terms of composition? How much of it is your traditional vertical financial services, insurance, healthcare versus new verticals?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · William Blair

We don't split them out to that level of detail. The pipeline is still meaningfully heavier towards our traditional businesses, because frankly, they've been doing really well, financial services, despite the economy, continues to grow. We continue to add staff and continue to deepen the relationships with companies like JPMorgan Chase and Lloyds and American Express and ANZ Bank. So that continues to do very well. So it's still the larger part of our pipeline, I would say, would be those 3 traditional verticals. Fast on its heels, though, is telecommunications, which has been really burgeoning forth over the last couple of quarters.

Laura Lederman

Analyst · William Blair

Can you talk a little bit -- final question from me, what you're seeing in EMEA? In other words, there's always been fear of what's happening in the economy there in terms of the demand there versus in the U.S.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · William Blair

The pipeline is good. It's a little scary to read the newspapers, to tell you the truth. But we're still getting the meetings, the engagement and the bookings from our clients, and we have some very significant transformation programs that are going on but it's difficult to predict what's going to happen in Europe. We're trying to make sure we're hedging our bets in North America and in Asia at the same time.

Operator

Operator

Our next question is from Raghavan Sarathy with Dougherty & Company.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

I think Craig talked about license signings were flat year-on-year against a tough comp. I was wondering if you could give us some sense whether that the license signings were in line with your expectations, above or below expectations?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Actually they were up slightly in Q1 this year compared to last year. But it was a tough comp because last year, in Q1, they were up 85% over the Q1 the year before. We -- most of our expectations are built around periods that are longer than a quarter. Q1 is a pretty small snapshot to really get too excited about one way or the other. We are more interested in our annual goals than our quarterly goals.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

In Q1, we have sales kickoff, where there's a lot of disruption, a lot of customers, for us anyway, did their -- we had such a staggering set of buys in Q4. Just blew the doors out. So I was actually pretty happy that we had a successful Q1 on the back of just such overachievements in Q4.

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

To be honest, I mean, anytime you can go through Q1 and build backlog, license backlog, that's great.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Yes. It's a little unusual for us.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

So I guess the follow-up would be it looks like you have a tough compare coming up in the second quarter too where you, I think, last year second quarter, license signings nearly tripled. I was wondering whether we should have modest expectation again for the second quarter given a tough compare?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Yes, I mean, our quarters can be very lumpy. I mean, last year is a very good example. At the midway point in the year, we probably had done more bookings towards the front end of the year than we've ever done before and then things slowed down in Q3 and then we had a monster Q4. So quarter by quarter, the business is lumpy not just from financial statement revenue but also from license signings.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Just 2 more questions and I will jump offline. It looks like you added 25 headcount in your sales and marketing. I think, Craig, you said 19 in the sales as compared to 13 last year same quarter. It seem like you are kind of ahead this year in terms of hiring, I was wondering if how we should think about sales capacity increase for the full year and whether it's going to be front-end loaded or the trend is going to continue?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

Well, I think we're going to continue to hire at a good pace. We're setting very aggressive targets as we think about our multiyear growth plans. And to be blunt, the people we hire in the second half of this year are going to be entirely aimed at 2013, it takes a couple of quarters for them to get trained and start to book business. So if we like the way the global economy is going, even though it's not going to affect our financials positively this year, we'll hire in Q3 and Q4.

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

And especially if we find good guys.

Raghavan Sarathy

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

And then final question. Alan, you mentioned in the press release that you're expecting 2,000 attendees for the PegaWORLD. How does that number compare the year before?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

We're thinking that attendance will be probably up something between 35% and 50%.

Operator

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Koenig with Longbow Research.

Steven Koenig

Analyst · Longbow Research

I have one for Craig and then one for Alan here. Craig, I'm wondering you gave us some good color on the individual cost lines relative to Q4 run rate. There was a large amount of EPS upside kind of relative to the first half-second half split that you've talked about. Can you comment -- can you help us understand where did that -- all that upside come from on the earnings side relative to kind of your expectations?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Longbow Research

Well, a lot of it had to do with the mix of license revenue, that's what is a major source of lumpiness. As I pointed out, the dial swung back a little bit towards perpetual licenses as compared to Q4, where it was significantly towards term licenses. So that always affect the profitability. We had some big expenditures in Q1 as well. We had our Sales Kickoff, which was very expensive exercising and training the sales force but well worth it. So I think...

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Longbow Research

Well I think we did a better job of -- I think we did a better job of expense management at the Sales Kickoff. And then some of the others, we were, the team worked hard and is working hard to try to make sure we're hiring as efficiently as we can.

Steven Koenig

Analyst · Longbow Research

And then Alan, one for you here. You guys have so many diverse use cases that you can address, that it's impressive, but also sometimes hard to get your arms around the totality of what you can do without addressing all the individual kinds of use cases. Wondering if you could generalize a little bit on CRM in particular. You talked a little bit about last year's PegaWORLD, about some interesting developments in your CRM roadmap. I almost got the sense that it was almost an application per se, kind of a Siebel-killer, if you will, or something of that ilk to help all those accounts that are settled with legacy systems. Can you comment on where the roadmap has gone in CRM? And if possible, where you're going with that?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Longbow Research

Sure. So our cut on CRM is, we're the technology that you want when you've got a somewhat complicated business and customer base that's demanding. And when you want to be able to provide service that cuts across the channels so that you can have somebody -- one of our European clients taking live loans over the Web, they're trying solicit credit card applications and other applications of personal loans. They were expecting when they ruled it out earlier this quarter or in the first quarter, that they would need about 70 a day. They're getting 70 an hour, and they were able to have somebody start in that channel, slip into the call center, and do all the stuff you'd like to be able to do. So that's an example of a company that previously had Siebel and is looking to sort of wrap, renew and eventually replace it. So you can think about this being the smart layer that makes it so the service reps don't have to go to 15 systems, we do it for them. And then allows them to plug right into the website, to Facebook, and really offer that multichannel experience. And I think we're highly differentiated in the market. I think we're able to do a level of sophistication that companies really need today as they're trying to improve loyalty and make money. And it fits beautifully with the Next-Best-Action and the core BPM technology around operationalizing things. So I think it's a great story.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Richard Davis with Canaccord.

Richard Davis

Analyst · Canaccord

I mean, this may sound silly in a world where you have Splunk trading at 12x revenues. How do you -- Alan, how do you think about -- and I understand the concept of investing because you've got a great product and these things. But how do you think about intermediate term operating margins or is it just like you're sitting there -- sitting in your chair, saying, "Listen, our opportunity is so big, we just got to pedal to the metal and if our operating margins are 12%, that's perfectly fine. We're not losing money, and it may be 12% for a long -- several years." Or do you think to yourself, hey, this things all of a sudden is going to tip over on the margin side even if you're hiring people aggressively and operating margins kind of inch up to 20% or something that. I'm just trying to kind of -- I don't frankly know what the right answer is, but I just wonder how you think about it.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Canaccord

I think the opportunity is, as you described, massive. I think we need to be responsible in how we spend money and make sure we spend money wisely. I think the management team has been paying a lot more attention to that as we've grown. We do think that we should be able to get operating leverage. The reality is, over the next couple of years, I'm expecting that it will improve because we will become more effective at capturing those stories and having more referenceable customers that begin to create sort of more demand that we don't have to cultivate quite as hard. At some point, we're going to hit a that tipping point, and it will be less pushing and more pull. Until that happens, we've got to get ourselves in shape to be able to take advantage of that. So now, it's a terrific opportunity from our point of view. We continue to see that our competitors -- our pure play competitors were all actually gobbled up, one of them actually, it was just announced last week, is going to be now divested out of Progress. I think the market for us is terrific. We need to make sure we're ready to take advantage of it.

Operator

Operator

Our next question in queue comes from Brian Murphy with Sidoti & Co.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Did you comment on the sequential decline in maintenance revenue?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Yes. Some of our maintenance revenue can be lumpy from quarter-to-quarter based on when people's renewals come up. In the Pega model, the maintenance contracts are self-renewing. In other words, it renews automatically unless you tell us otherwise. Some of the maintenance contracts we had from Chordiant were not auto-renewing and so we had to run around and get paper from these people and get them to resign and oftentimes, getting something signed can move from one quarter to the other. When we look at our renewals, it doesn't mean they are not going to renew. When we look at our renewals, we're at a 95% renewal rate from Q1 to Q1.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Okay. And could you give us a sense of how much cloud revenue is in Professional Services now and maybe how fast that's growing?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

It's growing at a pretty good clip. Most of the -- most of it is a lot of development, cloud environment, a lot of testing cloud environments. We do have people using it for production. A lot of people do development and then copy the application back behind their firewall when it comes time for production. But it's pretty large but it's not large enough yet to disclose on the financial statements.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

And is that having any impact at all on the service gross margin? It's particularly strong during the quarter. I'm just wondering if over time, that should give the service gross margins a boost?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

It will and we'll break it out when it gets to have an impact. The primary driver for the gross margin in the Professional Services in Q1 was the fact that we had 3 good contracts that ended in the quarter and we were able to recognize the revenue on them. So it was a good quarter for ProServ.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Okay. I see. And Alan, I know you made some comments on Europe. But your, on a regional basis, your other bucket, I think, bubbled. Can you just maybe comment on what drove the strength there?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

So a lot of it was Canada, which has been very strong for us and looks like it's going to continue to be strong for us. And we're also seeing some good things happen in the APAC space, but that was primarily Canada.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

And also, CapEx year-over-year, big jump there. I mean is that just timing or did you have some -- are you making some incremental investments there?

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

It's office build-outs. We opened an office in Paris in the quarter. We are about to open an office in Bangalore, we are building out the office in Cambridge in anticipation of a Q3 move. So that's where most of it goes.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

And Alan, you talked a little bit already about CRM. Can you just give us a sense of where you think we are in this kind of call center replacement cycle opportunity?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

I think we're still early. I think there is an enormous opportunity driven by a couple of different things. One, a lot of the call center systems and CRM systems that are out there are really pretty lousy. They really don't do a good job of supporting the agent, particularly if the business is complicated. And then second is that we're having very significant multichannel conversations with our clients. Historically, people built too much business function and business process into each channel. So they would set up a group, a special group, to go after the Web and they would like build all the processes there. And then in the call center, we can build, it would inevitably be different and make it very difficult to roll out new products. And now some customers are going after mobile. A lot of them are saying, "Boy, this is crazy." We need to have processes that are largely horizontal but actually allow you to go across these channels, with just a limited amount you need to be built into the channel, built into the channel. So I think this is being driven by those, the normal replacement cycle that occurs on the back of a lot of those old Siebel and Clarify systems for people who were in that era. But it's also being driven by increasing need for people to adopt a more effective way to engage with clients, which is also why we're excited about some of these unified marketing and other pieces that we're bringing to the market this year and we'll be showing off at PegaWORLD.

Brian Murphy

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Appreciate the color there. Just one more and I'll hop off. Just kind of similar question in the oil and gas sector. Obviously, we're kind of -- obviously, early innings there, too. But could you help us kind of size the opportunity in the oil and gas space? I mean, how big could that vertical be for you guys?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Sidoti & Co

Oh I think that vertical could be as big as insurance or healthcare or many of our other major ones. Maybe probably not able to be as big as financial services, just because there's so many of them. But when we take a look at oil and gas, we see a business that is highly concentrated, which we like, that is global, which we like, that has complicated processes and the need to support both operational efficiency and operate with regulators. So it's really going to be a very good market for us. And the key is now we've got a couple of early clients, the key is to execute well, get those clients to radiate. And I think we could be looking at a strong year and a very, very, strong year next year.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Edward Hemmelgarn with Shaker Investments.

Edward Hemmelgarn

Analyst · Shaker Investments

Just a couple of questions. One, I noticed that you've signed the agreement with the Texas Retirement -- County and District Retirement System. Is that -- are you changing your focus a little bit more to state and local governmental units away from trying to beating your head against the wall at the national level?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Shaker Investments

Well, I'll tell you, what we decided to do is complement our head beating with increased focus on the state or local and it's turned out great. We've won meaningful business now in half a dozen state agencies. And some of the states are very, very large and they really need operational improvement efficiencies and we're thrilled. We are actually feeling better about the federal government, too. So we're not -- the fact that we have not been, as of yet, as successful to have won in Federal, which I've spoken about repeatedly, doesn't mean we're giving up. It means we're trying different tactics and I'm actually liking what I'm seeing there to boot. But it's really clear that state and local is going to be very big for us.

Edward Hemmelgarn

Analyst · Shaker Investments

The other thing is, any new industries that you think you might be able to break into and see more growth in 2012 versus where you've been at before?

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Shaker Investments

Yes, we had a really excellent, great follow-on deal in the manufacturing space where we -- once again, it's kind of the way we work. We go in and sometimes customers will make a big buy upfront. We're just as willing to work with them and have them really understand what we do. And then they followed up to come up with a system, a multinational system is going to go in and wrap all their SAP implementation limitation so that they can actually get more business benefit out of it. So I think manufacturing, which frankly plays a bit to the types of things you find in oil and gas, is going to be an increasingly good market for us. And we're looking for that to grow.

Operator

Operator

And at this point, I would like to turn the program back to our presenters for any concluding remarks.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

So thank you, everybody, for the call. I'm sorry if I sound a little hoarse, the pollen is getting to me here in Boston. But we've been working hard, we're thinking that PegaWORLD, which you're encouraged to look up and take a look at our website, see what's there, is just going to be spectacular. When you look at the people who are coming to speak and talk about what they do, we're expecting a really rousing event at the beginning of June. And if you're available, I'm sure Craig would be willing to entertain a number of you.

Craig Dynes

Analyst · Dougherty & Company

All right. Look forward to seeing all of you in Dallas at PegaWORLD. It will be a good event and I think you will really enjoy this year's presentation.

Alan Trefler

Analyst · Roth Capital

Thank you, everybody. Have a good night.

Operator

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining today's conference. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect.