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Pampa Energía S.A. (PAM)

Q1 2020 Earnings Call· Wed, May 13, 2020

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Margarita Chun

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen and thank you for waiting. I'm Margarita Chun from IR and we would like to welcome everyone to Pampa Energía First Quarter 2020 Results Videoconference. We inform you that this event is being recorded and all participants will be in listen-only mode during the presentation. After the company's remarks are completed, there will be a question-and-answer session only available on browser or through the app. At that time further instructions will be given. [Operator Instructions] Before proceeding, please read disclaimer that is located in the second page of our presentation. Let me mention that forward-looking statements are based on the beliefs and assumptions of Pampa Energía management and on information currently available to the company. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions because they relate to future events and therefore, depend on circumstances that may or may not occur in the future. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions, and other operating factors could also affect the future results of Pampa Energía and could cause results to differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. Now, I'll turn the videoconference over to Lida Wang, Investor Relations Officer of Pampa Energía. Lida, you may begin your conference.

Lida Wang

Analyst

Thank you, Margarita. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining our conference call. This is a special call, so for the interest of time, I will make a brief summary of the quarter's key figures, the impact of COVID-19, and the latest -- since our last call. We will focus more on the core businesses of Pampa, power and E&P, as TGS and Edenor already held their calls earlier this week. As you can see, our CEO, Mr. Gustavo Mariani and CFO, Mr. Gabriel Cohen are both here and joining us for Q&A. Before we begin, let me remind you that Pampa's Q1 2019 and 2020 figures are all recorded under U.S. dollar as functional currency. In the case of peso-linked subsidiaries such as our utilities, their figures are adjusted by inflation and shown in dollars at the end of the reporting period FX. Also, you can see in this slide what businesses are included when we talk about of Pampa consolidated, as well as Pampa restricted group, a definition we commonly use for covenant purposes. It is publicly known that COVID-19 has spread all over the world and Argentina is no exception. The Federal Government declared mandatory lockdown effective as from March 20, and has been following its evolution by extending it from time-to-time. However, all Pampa's businesses were deemed essential except for SBR production at the petrochemicals segment. What does this mean? Basically we are carrying out our operations normally, but with minimum personnel in place and only doing essential tasks. Therefore, for those who unavoidably have to go to work, their health and safety is our paramount, so we put in place new protocols set by an interdisciplinary committee, that is reviewing all the time to keep it updated with the latest information available. From 9,700…

Margarita Chun

Operator

We apologize for the inconvenience. Please wait for a few minutes and we will be back. Continuing on the news section, since February this year, the currency for spot energy remuneration was converted to peso with monthly inflation adjustment and the capacity payment was decreased. However, after the lockdown began, on April 8, the Secretariat of Energy instructed CAMMESA to postpone said inflation adjustment on legacy energy that should have been applied as from March, until further decision. However, as of the date, we did not receive any administrative notice. Had it been updated, weighing 60% CPI and 40% PPI, March transaction would have adjusted by 2.4%. Regarding our fully-owned windfarms PEPE II and III, after their commissioning in May last year, we found out certain defects in the blades of the wind generators, resulting in their outage. Vestas, our supplier, have started the repair and replacement tasks. One of the windfarms is almost resumed and full recovery is estimated by August of this year. We highlight that despite the lower generation due to business interruption, the impact is minor as it was covered by the guarantee of Vestas and the insurance policy. Regarding the expansions in the pipeline, we are in the final stages of the closing to CCGT of 383 megawatts at Genelba Plus. You can see on slide nine the picture of the existing CCGT and the new one under works. Because of the lockdown, expansion works were interrupted for almost three weeks, resuming in mid-April as all private energy infrastructure works, including Genelba Plus and Barragán expansions, were deemed essential. Consequently, we expect COD to be postponed for about 45 days, estimating by the beginning of August. Also as you can see on slide 10, due to the aforementioned lockdown impact, we are resuming expansion works…

Lida Wang

Analyst

Hello. Can you hear me?

Margarita Chun

Operator

Yes, of course. You can continue with the EBITDA of E&P business.

Lida Wang

Analyst

So Slide 13. Moving on to the E&P results. Q1 2020 this segment posted an adjusted EBITDA of $29 million, 38% lower than in Q1 2019, mainly because it is still reflecting the downward trend in gas sales price driven by CAMMESA and to a lesser extent, lower crude oil prices, partially offset by lower royalties and peso-linked expenses. EBITDA quarter-on-quarter increased 44%, mainly explained by lower costs due to lower activity and deval dilution, no exploration expenses recorded in Q1 and higher oil production, partially offset by lower gas price and production. Despite all, our overall production in Q1 2020 remained stable year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter reaching to 46,000 barrels of oil equivalent per day of which 88% is composed by natural gas. On the oil side, which only represented 3% of the total EBITDA for Pampa in the quarter, production level was similar year-on-year, reaching 5,300 [ph] barrels per day, but quarter-on-quarter oil production grew 7%, mainly due to higher production at Rincón de Aranda, our first shale oil endeavor. During Q1 2020, the crude oil sales price decreased year-on-year by 9%, but remained similar quarter-on-quarter, reaching almost $50 per barrel, mainly explained by the falling Brent prices since January and worsen since the lockdown in March. Government is analyzing the return of domestic reference price known as barril criollo to ensure domestic production continuity, but as of the date no regulation was issued. 54% of our oil production is Escalante heavy oil, which is sweet and given the current clean fuels trend is pricing premium to Medanito. Regarding the gas production on slide 14. We can see the quarter reached an average of 244 million cubic feet per day, stable year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter despite prices, which have been going down since 2018, affected by the fact this is…

Margarita Chun

Operator

Hello, can you hear me?

Lida Wang

Analyst

Yes, we can hear you.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Slide 17, so we have been very proactive towards the cash and liability management, and this time paid-off. In this slide we show all the layers of the company, from restricted group to consolidated figures, but for covenant purposes let’s focus on the restricted group, that is primarily Pampa standalone. We continued redeeming lending facilities, highlighting that during Q1 2020 Pampa paid at maturity and pre-cancelled a total of $65 million of dollar-nominated debt, in addition to bond repurchases of $61 million face value. Therefore, the restricted group gross debt in Q1 20 recorded $1.6 billion; roughly $170 million lower than the last quarter closing. Due to said transactions plus lower accrued interests and Peso-nominated debt dilution. The gross debt is 92% denominated in dollar, like December 2019, bearing an average interest rate of 7.7%. Average life remained around 5.6 years. The cash amounted to $373 million, which is lower than the $537 million in December 2019 due to securities repurchases, debt redemption and higher collection days, offset by lower CapEx and collection of Plan Gas credits. So the restricted group net debt remained similar to last quarter at $1.2 billion. Moreover, net debt to LTM EBITDA remained low at 2.4 times. After Q1, despite the challenging situation in Argentina, we continued receiving support from the capital markets, which recognize Pampa’s credit, thus we issued two short-term Peso bonds for a total of $27 million, in addition to net borrowing of $63 million equivalent of peso-denominated debt. Moreover, Pampa further repurchased bonds for $32 million face value at average of [Technical Difficulty] Sorry, I'm continuing. Margarita, continuing. At average of $0.64. Therefore, we are shifting to peso-denominated debt, and it is worth highlighting that the cumulative maturities until 2022 amount to $172 million, and 75% of that is nominated in Pesos. In terms of consolidated including affiliates at ownership, Pampa Group recorded net debt of $1.6 billion, similar to December 19. Moreover, net debt to EBITDA remained low at 1.8 times. Finally, regarding our share buyback program, in April Pampa’s Board approved the seventh share buyback program for $20 million, with price cap of $10 per ADR, effective once the sixth program concludes. Moreover, last month shareholders meeting approved the third cancellation of shares in treasury, for 6.1 million ADRs, and last Friday the Public Registry of Organizations also know cleared the second cancellation of 6.1 million ADRs in treasury, previously approved by shareholders in Pampa in October last year. As of the date, Pampa’s outstanding capital stock amounts to ADR62.9 million, and holds in treasury ADR0.9 million. So, this concludes our presentation. Now, we are going to open the floor for questions.

A - Margarita Chun

Analyst

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Bruno Montanari from Morgan Stanley. Bruno, go ahead.

Bruno Montanari

Analyst

Thank you, Margarita, Lida and Gustavo, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions and I hope everyone is safe and healthy. As we can see here, I have two questions. First, what measures of cash preservation is the company implementing nowadays? And how low can you -- can your total investment be for this year without affecting the operations? And a second question, can you comment on any recovery we're seeing now in May versus the worst of the crisis and the lockdown, which seems to have happened in April of course, the businesses. That would be very helpful. Thank you very much.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Now you can hear me? Okay. Hi, Bruno. Please keep your microphone open. So, again, write down the question, so I will need your help again. Thank you for the question and thanks we're all healthy and working from home. As Lida and Margarita previously explained, unlike our -- our fears before the lockdown, everything run smoothly and we have been able to work without any problems at all from home. Now more than 50% of the workforce of the company working from home. Regarding measures to protect the cash, we've been working on controlling OpEx revising everything that that we can. In terms of CapEx that, we didn't need to do anything extraordinary, because of the long run of the new situation, because we had very low projected CapEx for this year in the case of power generation, just finishing the Genelba expansion, which we are happy we will be able to do -- put it online in a few months from now and continue with Ensenada Barragán, basically because that is a subsidiary that already has all the cash needed in order to complete the expansion work over the next two years. On the E&P side, CapEx planned for this year were already very low. And yes, they we -- we got that a little bit farther. We were doing some exploration on shale oil, which and I remember explain this on the previous -- on the previous call. We decided to postpone. And, and on the gas side, we were not planning any relevant -- any relevant CapEx for this year. So, capital expenditures for the year, as Lida, mentioned before, significantly lower than in 2019. If you can please repeat the other questions?

Bruno Montanari

Analyst

Sure. I was just wondering, if you could comment on any recovery or anecdotal evidence. You're seeing now in May versus the worst of the crisis and the lockdown which appear to have happened in April, just so we can get a sense of, of how things are evolving from the worst.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

As Lida and Margarita said, we didn't suffer, in the case of electricity -- in our case was a very small reduction in power generation during the lockdown, due to the relatively good efficiency of our power plants. So maybe, if the -- if the total consumption drop by about 15%, our consumption drop around 5% and so we didn't suffer much, we are not seeing yet any significant recovery. And same can be said about gas consumption that, so far the moves are more related to weather than to economic activity. Something that we are not seeing in our business that, but I understand that has started to pick up is their consumption of fuels. Basically, they're starting to be more activity on the street, for more movement and so -- gas -- sorry -- the Naphtha in English, gas -- gasoline, gasoline, that originally dropped something like 70% is already recovering, but that was something that we can tell you directly, but is the information that we got it from our neighbors. So in our businesses, we are not yet feeling the -- the easing of the lock down. But basically that is, because we haven't suffered significant drop in quantity sold either the pickup.

Bruno Montanari

Analyst

Great. Thanks for the insights.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Thank you, Bruno. Our next question comes from Ezequiel Fernández from Balanz. Please, Ezequiel, go ahead. Ezequiel Fernández: Good morning. Thank you very much for the materials. Very complete fiscal as always, I have two questions. The first one is related to, if you're considering any acquisition, perhaps some of the more financially troubled power generation assets in Argentina? And the second question is related to which gas price in terms of quarter dollars per MMBtu would make you more comfortable in terms of drilling and development activity perhaps going into next year? Thank you.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Hi. Ezequiel. Regarding acquisition, we are not seriously studying any -- and we -- I think most of you are aware of, we have a strong financial position and we could eventually analyze potential acquisition. So far we have decided to concentrate on the buybacks of stocks and that reach. So far, we like them more than an acquisition. Anyway, we will keep our eyes open and study anything that that comes to us. But we are not -- we don’t have any serious or anything in the part time Regarding gas prices, it’s -- it's not that easy to give a price, because it's not only a matter of price, but it'll also a matter conviction of the ability of the off-taker to debate down the road, and sustainability of the -- of that price in the medium term, or in the long term. So this is not what I want to point out, but I think it's not only a matter of prices going up, but also having a gradual long term perspective for investing in -- investing in emerging Argentina, but especially in gas prices -- in gas production. I think a number has to be higher in average for the year of $3.50. That's obviously depends on -- on your portfolio of reserves, which reserves you're going to develop. But I think a long-term practice in order to activity in the industry to resume. I would say that, purchase need to be at least above $3.50. Ezequiel Fernández: Okay. That's great. That's all from my side and stay safe. Thank you.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Thank you, Ezequiel. Our next question comes from Santiago Wesenack of AR Partners.

Santiago Wesenack

Analyst

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. Glad to know you are all safe and healthy. Actually, three quick questions, if I may. The first one has to do with, how are you seeing collections from CAMMESA on the power duration side? Are there any delays or anything new there? The second one also on the power gen side, during the quarter we saw actually a year-over-year increase in the gross profit per megawatt hour. So I was -- especially, we saw it also on the thermal assets, despite the resolution city one. So I was wondering, whether this new like $30 per megawatt hour could be a like a trickle level for the rest of the year? And the third one on the E&P side, I was wondering, if you can give us any guidance in terms of what -- what's the natural decline rate for your production given the low prices that Gustavo just talked about? Thank you.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

I'll answer -- I'll answer the question about collection from the CAMMESA, I think Lida can give you more details about the other ones. We’ve seen -- we are experiencing delays from CAMMESA that -- I would say that the -- this delays from CAMMESA started in the third quarter of last year. So from no delays in September or October of last year, today, we have like a month and a half of delay payment from CAMMESA. So, more or less every month, CAMMESA paid around 70% of the transaction or -- between 70% and 80% of the transaction and increases its debt again the generation sector by around 20% of monthly transaction. That is -- that has been roughly in average the behavior in the last -- in the last few months. You can say that it has slightly deteriorated the quarter since the lockdown started. That's basically because distribution companies are paying significantly less to CAMMESA. So the national government has to fill in the gap and provide more support to CAMMESA in order to pay the transaction. So when the lockdown began and since then, more or less is…

Santiago Wesenack

Analyst

Thank you.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Lida, can you cover the other questions?

Lida Wang

Analyst

Yes, can you hear me? I don't know. Gustavo is in office. So basically, the higher gross margin firstly, because we have -- remember that we are taking into account [Indiscernible] 567 megawatts under our PPA. So that leads to the gross margin. Also, we have [Indiscernible] I mean it is purely gross margins. So that's another reason why we see the big jump and then we have 207 megawatts of new capacity that today they relying mostly under spot market. So -- and they are dispatching into the spot market. So that's why you see a big contribution year-on-year. We are in the E&P depletion rate, since the business, E&P business usually suggest that because our major gas is unconventional types, you can see [Indiscernible] on average around 15% yearly basis. It's not depletion 15% going around right. So it's cumulative. For this -- for mention that their nature are more conventional, they are around 8% depletion rates.

Margarita Chun

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Yes, Lida, we can hear you.

Lida Wang

Analyst

Santi, thank you. So Santi, tell me if you have more questions.

Santiago Wesenack

Analyst

No. Actually, probably the last one, but it's also related to the gross margin per megawatt hour. So we are seeing this is $30 positively influenced by as you said [Indiscernible] and pay base and renewables. So this $30 level could be like a new threshold for the rest of the year?

Lida Wang

Analyst

I don't know because -- I will -- I would say no, because we have the legacy, remember that we reduced that from October of this year. The reduction implies around $30 million as Gustavo said in the Q4 conference call. But now we have a said we -- we've been pull that inflation adjustment won't be happening until further notice. So that will be around $25 million more affecting the gross margin. So I will say this year legacy compared to the last year legacy is around $50 million gross margin.

Santiago Wesenack

Analyst

Great. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Lida Wang

Analyst

You are welcome.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Our next question comes from Jacob Steinfeld from Ashmore. Jacob, go ahead.

Jacob Steinfeld

Analyst

Hi, good morning. Thanks for the call. First question was just answered. So on the inflation adjustment, you said $25 million comes from the assumption that there is going to be no in inflation adjustment and then $25 million from the lower remuneration for the legacy power, is that right versus last year?

Lida Wang

Analyst

Well, so $30 million less because of the 11 months of reduced capacity payment plus -- depends on the evolution of the official effect and the evolution of inflation, but it's devaluation ends at the end of the year around 86 I think 82 I don't remember our projection, but we have an average year of 2020 of 72. Last year the average was lower. So if you can see our debt valuation curve, we are expecting around $25 million in total is 65, for the 11 month period, okay.

Jacob Steinfeld

Analyst

Okay. And then all the bonds that you've repurchased either in the first quarter or subsequently, are those being canceled or are you just holding them at treasury?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Hello. We basically so far they are in our books. They have not been canceled. So that's where we are.

Jacob Steinfeld

Analyst

And is there a reason why those aren't canceled versus the shares that were canceled or is the plan to cancel them?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

No, it's not the plan to sell those bonds, but it's an instrument of liquidity. Sometimes you might do even repos or whatsoever, so we -- it's a good instrument to -- for liquidity management in any event.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

The reason why the shares are canceled are because there is a local restriction that you cannot hold more than 10% of your outstanding stock in treasury. So once we reached the 10% limit, we need to cancel them in order to be able to continue repurchasing shares. In the case of repos, there is no reason to rush to cancel them. So as Gaby said, it's better to have them in the treasury than cancelling. Allow us more flexibility in the future to give us -- to keep them in the in treasury.

Jacob Steinfeld

Analyst

Okay. That's understandable. I guess my last question is on the CapEx. I was wondering if you could provide a little bit more detail, what do you expect to spend for the rest of the year in oil and gas and power generation. And wondering just if -- given the quarantine and the delays whether some of the CapEx gets pushed out to 2020? Whether due to the quarantine and some of the delays on the power generation projects, for example, some of the capex get pushed out into next year?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

At Pampa, we had a -- we said that this year we would only do Genelba project to be completed. With 99.5% of the work were already done and in February we started the commissioning of all the CCTG, that takes several months and we hope it will be completed by late July, early August. 95% or between 90% and 95% of the CapEx of the Genelba project was already spent last year. So this year was only that the tail of the fence. Roughly between $30 million and $40 million were left to be spend in the Genelba project at Pampa. In terms of maintenance, maintenance CapEx in generation, this year, we are going to spend between $40 million and $50 million. In the case of E&P, it's between, what we consider, expansion CapEx, especially the exploratory project and the maintenance CapEx in order to maintain production or to reduce the decline of the production this year. At the beginning of the year, we were budgeting to spend around $130 million. And now, we think that we are going to spend half of that in 2020, so, between the two segments, around $75 million both maintenance CapEx and around $70 million of expansion CapEx.

Jacob Steinfeld

Analyst

Got it. Thanks so much.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Our next question comes from Fernando Lenos [ph]. Fernando, please go ahead. Fernando, wait a second. We are unmuting the microphone. Fernando, can you try to unmute your microphone?

Lida Wang

Analyst

The next one.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Okay. Our next question comes from Florencia [Indiscernible]. Florencia, please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Hi, Lida, Margarita, Gabriel, Gustavo. Thanks for taking my question. Hope everyone are well. Just a follow-up regarding working capital. You mentioned that collection from Plan Gas were enough to access the delays in the payment on CAMMESA. I would like to know how much you collected regarding Plan Gas. Another question is, regarding a report that S&P published early this week, when lower your rating and several Argentine corporates mentioned some concern regarding the ability of corporates to access to the market to -- but the foreign exchange market to repay debt. I don't know if you government or if you are facing some issues [technical difficulty] rating agencies have that. Thank you so much.

Lida Wang

Analyst

I will loans are about the Plan Gas. And then, I think, Gaby for doing the second question. Plan Gas, we have 30 installments of $4.7 million per month. We've been collecting it in time. The government has been re-profiling some bonds at this one, particularly has not been re-profiled and we'll be collecting on time. So, for the quarter, you can see three months, it's $50 million that we are offsetting it with work -- higher working capital that for this quarter, a breakeven -- almost breakeven. Of course, for working capital, we are expecting that we will be raising cost at the remainder of the year.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Yes, hello. How are you doing? In respect of the question, what Central Bank for dollar repayment. Clearly, the new restrictions had an impact in the short-term for the coming months, because it was that value, but we do not foresee any problems accessing the whole -- in order to pay either on imports or our interest or principal payments of that. Clearly the impact is more on managing your liquidity, if you want to buy or not on the -- the objective of the Central Bank regulation was to limit your ability to buy dollars in their regulated market. There is no expectation to foresee problems in accessing to repay our debt and our imports.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Just one follow-up regarding the power generation. Do you receive any update on the suspension -- on the inflation adjustment to the legacy? And when do you expect that could be restored after COVID? Just the government, any message on that?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Well, we haven't received any -- no feedback from the government on when they are planning to resume. But as you correctly pointed out, I don't expect that to happen until they see a new normal in Argentina. We are back to business.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, perfect. Thank you. Thank you and stay safe.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Same for you. Thank you.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Thank you, sir. Our next question comes from Matias Castagnino from BCP. Matias, please go ahead.

Matias Castagnino

Analyst

Yes. Thank you, guys. So, first, let me say that this was an interesting format. And despite the technical difficulties, I think it's easier to follow the stock performance. So, the questions are kind of a follow-up. The first one, I saw in your cash flow statement, the big increase in the trade payables and that is kind of offsetting the increase in trade receivables. So, is that just a response to the delays of CAMMESA and who are you delaying the payments to? And then, at $25 million additional impact on the legacy that you commented; is that assuming also the lower demand because of the lockdown or that is not assume? And lastly, if you have any comments on the news that came out today regarding Ensenada Barragán and Pampa is a party at all on that thing?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

I think, -- okay [Indiscernible] first question because--

Lida Wang

Analyst

Yes. I think you've seen the consolidated financial statements where the cash flow statement taking into account Edenor -- that we've been delaying payments at Edenor massively. So, in March, not much, but going forward, we have been significantly being lower pace. So, that's why we are not having those kind of delays on payables in Pampa per se. It's basically at Edenor. So, if you take out Edenor, on the balance, that completes the balance sheet, you will see that Pampa [Indiscernible].

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Yes and Matias just to complete that we're saying, in case of Pampa, we are not delaying any payments. And in the case of Edenor, and ensure that will be discussed in the conference. Edenor, as most of the distribution companies in the country are delaying payments to CAMMESA due to three reasons. The most important one is the freeze of tariffs that's already almost a year and a half because the last increase in tariff for MVAD for Edenor was in February of last year. Then because of the recession and especially because of the lockdown, significant drop in consumption, and because of the lockdown, the reduced collections which now are starting to recover because they open up more [Indiscernible] and those kind of collection houses. I don't know how to say that in English. So, they are starting to -- they are starting to recover, but as long as the freeze in VAD continues for distribution companies, their payments to CAMMESA is not expected to improve significantly. Regarding the other part of the question, the news about Barragán, I can't see the news. So, if you can -- I don't know Lida, Gabby, have you -- Margarita, have you?

Lida Wang

Analyst

No.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Can you comment on us, what are those years?

Matias Castagnino

Analyst

Casanello prosecuted two former government officials for when the plant was first awarded to the government. And they keep saying that he might be investigating then the sale to YPF and Pampa, that [Indiscernible]?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Okay. Sorry, the judge is investigating the sale of Barragán to YPF and Pampa, that's the news?

Matias Castagnino

Analyst

No, the news is that he prosecuted two officials. And like he said, there might be a second kind of investigation regarding that.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Yes. Haven't seen the news and so far, we haven't been noticed for being part of the investigation or anything. Regarding this, this is that it's all news that there was [Indiscernible].

Lida Wang

Analyst

Investigation--

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

There was a--

Lida Wang

Analyst

New complaint?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Now, I see this in the presentation. Okay. But what it is -- I think you it's a politically motivated and is targeting basically the government officials of the previous administration. This was the sale of Ensenada Barragán was a public auction. The first public auction, if I don't remember wrong was for the summer of last year. I don't recall whether it was January or February of last year, which nobody show up. And then there was a second round at mid of the year where we decided to be with YPF to participate -- other participants and we won't be -- so we want [Indiscernible] that's all I can tell you of the investigation. I have no other news.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay, thank you. And then other question that $25 million of the legacy, is that including the lower expected demand?

Lida Wang

Analyst

No, no. We run the Margo -- Margo, it's a model that runs -- stimulates the dispatch in the country. We are already in 2020, we already [Indiscernible] the most inefficient machines [Indiscernible] won't be such as much. So, we were modulating that only Loma will be there who'll dispatch and that's what is considering. So, it was a pretty conservative goal. And even that, with the COVID and everything we do. The forecast of the dispatch of Pampa remains very similar to last year.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

You're welcome.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Our next question comes from Antonella Rapuano from Santander. Antonella, please go ahead.

Antonella Rapuano

Analyst

Hi, thank you. Thank you, Margarita, Lida, Gustavo, Gabriel for the presentation and taking my question. My question goes on the technical issues that you experienced in the wind farms in the turbines. So, if you could give us some details or more insight about this and the potential impact in the generation going forward for Pampa? Thank you.

Lida Wang

Analyst

No, basically we had -- the manufacturer detected some problems in other wind farms from the same model in our country and they told us. So, we -- today with Pampa, we have 28 wind farms from the two -- mining the two [Indiscernible] and only six of them are out of service. The rest of them, they're serving. So, one of the wind farm has already fully -- almost fully recovered. The other one -- with the COVID, everything is more slower, but we expect to have it fixed by August. The business direction has been covered fully by Vestas and the insurance policies. So, there is no impact for Pampa.

Antonella Rapuano

Analyst

Great. Thank you.

Lida Wang

Analyst

You're welcome.

Margarita Chun

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Thank you. Here's one. And the next question is from [Indiscernible]. Okay. Please go ahead.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

No, we cannot hear you. [technical difficulty]

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

We can see you, but we cannot hear you.

Margarita Chun

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Here's our next one. Okay [Indiscernible] fixed your microphone, we can continue with [Indiscernible] go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Can you hear me?

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Yes.

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Yes.

Lida Wang

Analyst

Yes.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

I have a question regarding your share repurchase program. These days, many companies are focusing on strengthening their balance sheet, keeping their cash together. Are you starting to get some second thoughts about continuing to repurchase your own shares, given uncertainty in demand, uncertainty in regulation, and fluctuation of exchange rate?

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

We are perfectly aware of the crisis we are living. We -- obviously, we don't know how long is it going to last. On the other hand, we feel that we have a company that is healthy. We are producing significant positive cash flow. We have a strong cash position. We have, as Lida and Gabby pointed out, we have almost no debt maturities until 2023. What we have in 2021 are peso-denominated maturities and very small. So, we are every day revising what we do with our cash, and we still consider that the reason that we are spending that cash with share buybacks, we are comfortable. So, regarding your question, yes, we do revise that and I would say, on a daily basis and we are still comfortable with what we are carrying out.

Unidentified Analyst

Analyst

Okay. I would just add that, the program that was approved for $12 million, it has been a much smaller amount than previous programs of buyback.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Okay. Thank you.

Margarita Chun

Operator

Well, [Indiscernible] she is asking, is there any risk of government renegotiating the PPA? And that's -- that will be the last question of the call.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Sorry, what was the question here?

Margarita Chun

Operator

Is there any risk of government renegotiating the PPA?

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

The risk exists -- definitely there. But I cannot give a different answer than the one that we have been giving for year and a half at least in is that, I think, the government is aware of the consequences of unilaterally changing those contracts. So, they're trying to -- I think they will try to avoid doing that. But the risk of that happening obviously increases if the macroeconomic condition for Argentina deteriorates significantly. So far, we haven't had any communication from the government at all. And we hope it will continue that way. But it will depend very much on macroeconomic conditions of the country.

Margarita Chun

Operator

I have another question in the chat from [Indiscernible]. He is asking, what will be our strategy if CAMMESA payments start to get delayed materially further?

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

I think that is the strategy -- although, most important part of the strategy is being one of the strongest players -- strongest agent in the segment. So, our colleagues -- many of our colleagues will have significant trouble ahead of us. So, I hope that by the time that -- those kind of delays starts impacting us, CAMMESA and the government have already begun to react in a positive way. So, I cannot think of anything other than remain strong. I think that -- remain financially strong, that will be our goal and our strategy towards that possible outcome. I don't know, Gabby, anything else?

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

I would just add in that sense was the recent issuance of peso-denominated bonds in the local markets. We'll have a cushion for that happening.

Lida Wang

Analyst

Okay. Well, I think, it's my [Indiscernible] is more, but if you have any questions, you don't hesitate to ask us from wherever you want. Please stay safe. Take care of yourself. We are available for you. And thank you for joining this call with all the problems, but I hope you enjoyed it and it was helpful for you. Thank you so much.

Gustavo Mariani

Analyst

Thank you..

Gabriel Cohen

Analyst

Thank you for joining. Bye.