Bilal Rashid
Analyst · Ladenburg. Please go ahead
Sure, yes. So I think when you talk about lower-yielding investments, I mean, these are larger companies. And so we have a team of individuals who focus on those larger borrowers. And those investments are generally originated by other institutions, they tend to be larger banks. And so that sourcing really happens through those large institutions. And we’ve been in the market, as you know, for the last 25 years. And so we have very close relationships with really all the major financial institutions, which are – would be mostly banks. And so that team then once the deal comes in, then evaluates that transaction. And that team is really – is set up under industry lines. And so as soon as the transaction comes in, we take a look at it, if it meets our criteria in terms of the industry. So for example, one of the ways we think we hope to be protected against a recession or we mitigate the impacts of the recession would be avoiding certain industries. So if you look at our portfolio, historically, we’ve avoided oil and gas, metals and mining. If you look at our portfolio, we don’t have in our BDC, travel and leisure, et cetera. So we’ll look at that, look at the industry, if we like the industry, then we start doing the underwriting there, and these are generally transactions that are backed by large private equity sponsors, and we will underwrite the transaction by all the metrics that we would look at there from a leverage standpoint, we look at the pricing, obviously, look at any customer concentrations, barriers to entry. So all the usual evaluating factors that we would use to underwrite those transactions. So it’s a fairly extensive underwriting process that we accomplish. And that process can take anywhere from two to three weeks in that channel. As it relates to middle market companies, where we are originating those loans. There, we have a significant team of individuals who are sourcing those transactions for us as well. That’s our middle-market direct lending team. And both these teams work very, very closely with each other. And so that team – there are few sources. There’s traditional private equity sponsors that we have relationships with. In some cases, the deal flow comes in from banks, local banks will come to us and say, we have a client, and we can’t fulfill their needs. Would you come in and help us provide this financing. And then you have certain firms that are called fund-led sponsors, so these are our independent sponsors, and so those are institutions that don’t have a committed fund, but they actually bring in capital on a deal-by-deal basis. We have extensive relationships with them. And then in some cases, we have situations where we have direct relationships with the individual companies themselves. These are management owned or family-owned businesses as well. And so we have a database of now more than 15,000 market participants that we are maintaining and improving all the time. At any given time, we have two or three individuals who are on the road spending time in various different cities that – and meeting all these market participants and so that’s how the deal flow actually comes in. That allows us to be very, very selective, having this very broad way of sourcing transaction. We end up doing less than 3% of the deals that actually come in through that channel. And so when those deals come in, the underwriting process for those is a little more expensive. Those deals, it will take somewhere between six to 12 weeks to underwrite those transactions. We are doing really primary due diligence in those transactions. So we will be – in many ways, we’re doing the work that a private equity sponsor would be doing for private debt transactions. So it’s a fairly extensive process. We are doing, obviously, all the financial analysis, the company – the complete place in the industry, the competitive landscape, customer and supplier concentrations. We are doing background checks, we’re doing legal due diligence, we’re doing tax due reliance. So it’s a really very, very extensive process and once we underwrite the transaction, then it goes into portfolio management. And it’s the same team that does origination, underwriting and portfolio management. So there’s really great continuity and also alignment of interest. So anyone who sources a deal, has to also manage the deal. So they are bringing good deals that they want to manage over time. And so one other way that we are differentiated is that in a majority of the middle market deals that we are originating, we get either board seats or board observation rights. So that’s really important because I think there, it gives us live information. In many cases, it gives us the ability to overseas and affect any change in the company as well. So that’s how we are differentiated. And I think that’s really the reason why, as I would mention, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks that over the last almost now 10 years, we’ve invested more than $1.3 billion of capital and our cumulative realized net losses have been only 0.3%. And so over a 10-year period, almost, it’s a 0.03% annualized loss ratio. So it’s a fairly extensive process of sourcing, underwriting and portfolio management on both sides of how we invest in deals.