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Orion Energy Systems, Inc. (OESX)

Q1 2019 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 7, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Orion Energy’s Fiscal 2019 First Quarter Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Bill Jones. Sir, you may begin.

Bill Jones

Analyst

Good morning, and thank you for joining Orion Energy Systems first quarter call. Participating today are Orion CEO, Mike Altschaefl; and CFO, Bill Hull. Mike will open today’s call to discuss Orion’s Q1 2019 performance and the company’s business objectives and financial goals for the full fiscal 2019 year. Bill Hull will then review some financial highlights, after which we will open the call the question. An archived replay of this call will be available later today in the Investor Relations section of Orion’s corporate website. This call is taking place on Tuesday, August 7, 2018. Remarks that follow including answers to questions include statements that the company believes to be forward looking within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally will include words such as believe, anticipate, expect or words of similar import. Likewise, statements that describe future plans, objectives or goals are also forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different than anticipated. Such risks include, among others, matters that the company has described in its press release issued this morning and in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as described in these filings, the company disclaims any obligation to update forward-looking statements. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Mike.

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Thanks, Bill. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call today. We believe our first quarter performance marks the beginning of a revenue and profitability inflection point, which we are striving to accomplish in fiscal 2019. We entered the new fiscal year with a strong pipeline of opportunities and we were able to match our full year revenue growth goal of 10% in the first quarter. We also delivered substantially improved bottom line results that reflected our cost cutting efforts last year. For these reasons, we remain confident in our ability to achieve our revenue goal for fiscal 2019. With respect to our Q1 2019 revenue performance, I’m pleased to report that our agent-driven distribution sales grew significantly and were ahead of our internal expectations. This provides confirmation that our strategy and efforts to develop this channel are taking hold. We also continue to fine-tune our agent base, replacing underperforming relationships with those who we believe are better positioned to succeed. And through this process, we have learned a number of factors that must be addressed before an agency relationship can become productive. We now recognize that our prior expectations for the time and effort required to develop meaningful agent productivity had not considered all relevant factors. This channel has required continuous training and sales and marketing support, as well as listening to the needs of our agents and developing products to meet the demands of their customers. Now we are seeing these efforts bear fruit as many of our agency relationships have started to become productive. For those newer to the Orion story, the reason behind the development of our agent-driven distribution strategy was to substantially increase our reach into LED lighting opportunities across North America. Our previous national account focused sales effort enabled Orion to reach approximately…

Bill Hull

Analyst

Thanks Mike. Before I get to the first quarter results, I’d like to touch on a couple of points. First is our compliance with NASDAQ listing standards. In June, NASDAQ notified us that we had regained compliance with their $1 minimum closing bid requirement, thereby bringing that matter to a successful close. I also wanted to remind investors that during fiscal 2018, Orion enacted a wide range of cost cutting efforts that eliminated approximately $6 million in annual overhead expense, representing an approximate 20% reduction in overhead expense compared to fiscal 2017 levels. The full benefit of these efforts will be reflected in our fiscal 2019 results. Now turning to our fiscal Q1 2019 performance. We were able to grow revenue 10.1% to $13.8 million compared to $12.6 million in Q1 2018, principally reflecting sales growth from our agent driven distribution model. Gross margin improved 340 basis points to 25% in Q1 2019 compared to 21.6% in Q1 2018 due to both ongoing efforts to enhance manufacturing efficiency as well as the margin benefit of greater fixed cost absorption on higher revenues in Q1 2019. To operating expenses decreased $3.1 million to $6.1 million in Q1 2019 compared to $9.2 million Q1 2018, reflecting the benefit of Orion’s cost reduction initiatives implemented in fiscal 2018 as well the absence of $1.9 million in severance costs incurred in Q1 2018. I would like to point out that we were slightly positive from an operating cash flow perspective in Q1 2019, reflecting working capital reductions that offset our net loss. At the close of Q1 2019, Orion had networking capital of $9.8 million, including $7.8 million of cash and cash equivalents, and we had $2.3 million borrowings under our credit facility, down from $3.9 million at fiscal year-end. We believe that our cash position combined with credit available under our revolving credit facility, provides sufficient resources to fund our business going forward. As Mike mentioned, we continue to expect growth for the full fiscal 2019 year, where we will also maintain cost controls to drive better bottom line results. And with that, let’s open the call to your questions. Operator?

Operator

Operator

Thank you [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Craig Irwin from Roth Capital. Your line is now open.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Good morning and thanks for taking my questions.

Unidentified Company Representative

Analyst

Good morning Craig.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

So the first thing I wanted to ask about is the revenue trajectory. It’s nice to see things up year-over-year and in the teens. I know this environment is a little bit unpredictable. But for the September quarter that we’re in right now, would you expect double-digit revenue growth again year-over-year in the core revenue?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Craig, I think at this point, it’s probably a little bit early for us to predict that on a quarterly basis, and normally we have not done that. We continue to feel very confident of having the full year be at least a 10% growth. How that fleshes out between Q2, Q3 and Q4 is still a little bit undetermined as things develop. And so while we’re pleased with the 10% in Q1 and feel confident about a full year 10%, the mix between quarters two, three and four we’re just not commenting on quite yet.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Understood. I can’t fault you for that. Definitely can’t fault you for that. Financial results this quarter, general and administrative, was up sequentially, $1.8 million in the fourth fiscal quarter to $3.1 million this quarter. Can you maybe bridge that increase for us and help us understand if there are any sort of lumpy onetime items that might not repeat in the first quarter? Or was the fourth quarter number may be a little bit lower than where trend is going to be for the next few quarters?

Bill Hull

Analyst

So Craig, so you’re comparing sequential quarter?

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Yes. Sequentially for our G&A.

Bill Hull

Analyst

Yes. Yes. So typically, our first quarter, our expenses are a little bit higher, and it’s mainly due to some expenses around events that we might have, so light there and some other type things that we have going on, so it’s not unusual to see that. But again, as I said before, we expect the trend to continue to show the improvements we made last year, for us, the whole year.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

You’re doing a lot versus $5.3 million last year. $5.3 million to $3.1 million is a lot of progress. But as we look at the rest of the year, should we start trending down from this $3.1 million given light there and some of the other expenses you incurred in the first quarter?

Bill Hull

Analyst

Yes. I think the way to think about it is go with the guidance I provided. We took $6 million out of 2017 across the board. And you’re specifically talking about G&A, so generally speaking, yes. But directionally, it will go down.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Okay. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. And then I understand on the gross margin side, a lot of the companies out there are saying that the big boys, all the top five OEMs in the lighting market, now have a mandate where they’re not supposed to lose any job and people are submitting for pricing waivers and getting answers back in less than an hour so that they can keep customers. So it sounds like the market is getting a lot more aggressive about keeping things, but I would have thought that Orion would be in a favorable position versus many of the others with international manufacturing footprints. Your faster turnaround from your domestic facility and the lack of tariffs directly impacting your products, can you maybe talk about whether or not the location of your facility in Wisconsin is a bonus, is a positive for approaching the market as we head through the next couple quarters? Do you see the steel price issues and some of these other things impacting you in a different way than what we would expect for some of the other larger lighting competitors?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Sure. Great question, Craig. A few comments related to that. We continue to believe that having a U.S. based manufacturing has been a competitive advantage for us. And when we link that together with the ability to do customization of fixtures for specific needs for customers and do that on a very timely basis, then be able to source both locally as well as internationally to then produce here and deliver product normally within 10 days or less to the customer has been advantage. Then linking that with our ability to do turnkey management in certain situations really brings the complete package, particularly to the large national accounts. I don’t feel that we’ve seen the national account competition with the larger competition in the industry getting that much more intense the last quarter or so, I think it’s been sort of consistent for us. We feel that we can hold our own. My comments earlier regarding some possible margin compression was really more related to getting early on projects with some large possible accounts to go in and then be able to do test situations and pieces of business to get a larger piece of business down the road. And then, finally, on some of the tariff situations, as we’ve said it’s kind of mixed. The latest round that came up a few weeks back in the case that, perhaps, completed fixtures out of China could have a 25% tariff on them. One would expect that could possibly have a positive impact for us being primarily a U.S. based manufacturer for most of our product. So we’re – we feel, so far, the impacts from tariffs for us have been modest and see, hopefully, more upside to it down the path than downside right now.

Craig Irwin

Analyst

Great. Thank you for that. Then my last question, I was talking to another large buyer of lighting fixtures, the management team this morning, and they’re telling me that they have projects they need to implement in the September quarter, but are facing modest delays because of the availability of fixtures from some of your competitors. Apparently, there’s disruptions on the component availability and because of the confusion around tariffs. Are you seeing your lead times change at all? Are you seeing your lead times for components change at all? And do you think that the overall environment of uncertainty will benefit Orion given that made in the USA really does have a lot more certainty around delivery times.

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

We think that, overall, our ability to deliver product based on U.S. manufacturing is going to be a positive for us against our competition over the next few quarters. We have, to date, not had to delay any projects because of supply chain issues or availability of components for some of the reasons you’ve mentioned earlier. There are certain electronic components that demand seems to be up worldwide in the industry and not only ours, but in other industries that use things, in semiconductors and other electronic components. But we’ve been able to manage our supply chain, do our forecasting and have not had any impacts so far, but we continue to manage our supply chain closer to make sure we’re prepared to deliver products for our customers. So yes, overall, I think it’s going to be an advantage for us with our supply chain and U.S.- based manufacturing. Often, when we – over the last two years, we get asked how can you compete being a U.S.-based manufacturer? We believe in today’s environment, with some of the customer expectations and the supply chain issues and perhaps the tariff issues, it will continue to be a competitive advantage for us over the next few years.

Operator

Operator

And our next question comes from Eric Stine from Craig-Hallum. Your line is now open.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Just a couple questions for me. I mean, it sounds like you definitely – the agent channel coming along very well, and I know some of that simply – it’s maturing, but also steps you’re taking. I mean can you – when you think about that channel, I mean, anyway to quantify or just talk about where you might be the primary source rather than a second or third? And then as you think about that, I mean, what’s kind of the optimal mix where you would want to be the primary source for that agent?

Michael Altschaefl

Analyst

We have various agencies across North America that have other lighting products as part of their line card, which is normal in our industry, Eric. And in many cases, they are going to have competing products with ours. And our task is to support them, educate them on our product, provide competitive pricing and competitive commission arrangements and really help them in the sales channel delivering product. We see where we can be competitive is particularly where they are in retrofit situations because we’re a company that really understands retrofit opportunities can help them through that. So we really don’t – we do know that we probably do better in certain situations where they’re other line cards might have certain of our competitors than others, but we really don’t have any set mix that we try to target in terms of where were at with those agencies. Overall, we have found that the time we spend with them training sales support, sales leads and then performance on delivering product has been helpful. And to somewhat comment on an earlier question today, we particularly find we’re, frankly, able to deliver high-quality product on a timely basis has been very key in that channel because we have heard and seen supply issues from some of our competitors going through the agency channel.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Got it. That’s helpful. And then maybe just on the national accounts and I can certainly appreciate that there’s timing uncertainty with some of these things. But the two – you mentioned two large ones. I assume those are the automotive customers. In the past, I think you’ve talked about $14 million or so that you may be anticipating in fiscal 2019 and maybe that have changed, but just curious any sizing of those two customers? And then, also, any details of what you are seeing in – the other end market being retail and healthcare?

Michael Altschaefl

Analyst

Sure. A few comments, first of all, as mentioned previously, one of the main reasons we grew a little bit slower than maybe we thought we might grow in Q1 and maybe in Q2 is our national accounts were just a little bit slower than what we had anticipated. We didn’t lose anything of significance, it just is an environment where it seems to take a while to get things approved at the customer level and getting capital approved. And even though we all hear that there is substantial amount of cash available by companies, you still have to work through the capital approval process, which takes us some time. So we are actually very optimistic about the rest of the year with respect to our national accounts. For our primary automotive customers where we had previously commented a few quarters ago that we expected at least $14 million of revenue in fiscal 2019, we continue to believe that we will have at least that much in revenue from those two customers. And then beyond that, we have developed some very significant potential opportunities in the retail industry as well as in the public sector and in the healthcare area. And those are just some variety of situations that we are working on right now, but they tend to be large and they take a while to come together. But when they come together, they can have a very positive impact for us both in terms of volume, from a manufacturing standpoint and just absorption of costs for us. So that’s why we had mentioned that we see automotive, retail, healthcare and the public sector being very positive for us for national accounts for the remainder of the year, particularly in the second half of fiscal 2019.

Eric Stine

Analyst

Okay thank a lot.

Michael Altschaefl

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Amit Dayal from H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

All my questions have been asked, but just going back to certain – the margin topic. Can you quantify like what sort of impact you might be seeing, maybe on the downside, if you’re expecting margins would drop here? Is it just a few basis points? Is it bigger than that? Any way to sort of quantify? That would be helpful.

Michael Altschaefl

Analyst

All right. Amit, at this point, we don’t have specific numbers around potential impacts of margin from either the tariff issues or some of the competitive natures. We don’t see it as being dramatic at this point in time and it probably has a bigger impact looking at a volume standpoint for us that we think would increase volume going through our facility and absorbing additional fixed costs as we get to the higher teens of revenue on a quarterly basis, but those things should more than offset some of the possible margin impacts from some costs creep that we’ve had in the supply chain and perhaps tariff situations. And in addition, we continue to feel very confident about longer term being in that 30% gross margin plus position. And so we look forward to having the increased revenue going forward and demonstrating what we can do there, so we really don’t see it being dramatic.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Understood. In relation to your building the ESCO channel, has anything come into the pipeline from this yet or is it still in the early stages?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Amit, could you just repeat the question one more time, please?

Amit Dayal

Analyst

In relation to the ESCO channel, has anything come into the pipeline from these relationships yet or are you still working through it?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Yes. I’m sorry. I missed the first part of your question. Yes, we certainly have had a positive impact from our ESCO relationships during fiscal 2019. We really started re-engaging more clearly with them six to nine months ago and it continues to develop. Many of these are prior existing relationships that we are reinvigorating and supporting. So there has been a positive impact from those, so far, this fiscal year and we expect that to grow as we head through quarters two, three and four.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Okay. Got it. Last quarter, you guys gave us a backlog number of $3.3 million. I mean, this was the end of full year 2018. Do you have a number for backlog at the end of the first quarter of 2019?

Bill Hull

Analyst

It’s about $3.5 million planned, Amit.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Okay, so similar. Okay. Perfect. And then from a cash and balance sheet point of view, given the cost down that is taking place – it seems you are comfortable, but is there anything we should be sort of looking at or thinking about in terms of your working capital needs that from where you are with your balance sheet?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

We continue to feel confident about our balance sheet position, Amit. We believe we have the cash available as well as the financing capabilities with our banking relationship to execute on our current organic growth strategy. We always look very closely at working capital. And as we’ve discussed previously, the reason we’ve been able to manage our way through some prior financial results was with very strong working capital management. We continue to have goals of further reducing working capital in the business to provide additional cash support for the business. So we’re very confident about where we stand today financially in the balance sheet, we will always look for ways to improve it and feel we haven’t needed to modify any of our strategies or programs or sales efforts with respect to our capital position.

Amit Dayal

Analyst

Understood, that’s all I’ve got. Thank you so much.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from William Frost from Orion. Your line is now open.

William Frost

Analyst

Could you spend a little time on your sales force? How large is it? How do you break it down per marketing segment, your direct sales, agency sales, ESCO sales? How sophisticated it is? What is your approach in these different segments?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Sure. Well, as a backdrop, we do approach the market in three different paths. So we approach it from the large national accounts, we approach it from the agent- driven distribution model that we’ve set up and then we approach it from the ESCO and electrical contractor relationships. Generally, we have people specifically identified who are working in those separate channels. So we have regional sales managers in our agent-driven distribution model that oversee and work with the agencies and their geographic territory. e have individuals that focus most of their time working on national accounts and then we have some individuals that are primarily focused on the ESCO and electrical contractor market. And I kind of use the words mostly because given the size we are, we do get together with the entire sales team, we share information, at times, going after opportunities or maybe some interaction between the groups to make sure we’re covering the market as well as we can. But we do divide up in those three segments as we go to market and then have oversight with both the executive sales management and myself. We’re working with all the groups to work through their sales opportunities.

William Frost

Analyst

And how many people do you have now on your sales staff?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

We really haven’t shared that externally in the past of sales numbers. I would just again say we do have specific people that are orientated into each of those three different segments and cover them directly. So probably, at this point, we’re planning to share just overall the work structure from the sales organization.

William Frost

Analyst

Okay. I understand that. The last question, you have mentioned in the past something about a reverse stock split. Can you talk about that a little bit?

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Sure. We have brought that up in our last call in that it would be one of the possible solutions if we did not, in the normal course of business, get back in compliance with NASDAQ. Given that we have regained compliance with NASDAQ, we currently have no plans to implement a reverse stock split. As you probably know, because I believe you’re a shareholder, we issued our proxy statement without any discussion about a reverse stock split. So it’s currently not anything we are thinking about or planning for.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our next question comes from Jon Jung from Trailhead Asset Management. Your line is open.

Bill Hull

Analyst

Jon, we can’t hear you.

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Operator, I think we should move forward as we can’t hear the individual.

Operator

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes the Q&A period. I will turn the call back over to Mike Altschaefl for any closing remarks.

Mike Altschaefl

Analyst

Thank you very much, Shelby. And I’d like to thank all of you for joining us today. We look forward to updating you on our business progress and outlook on our next call. Have a great day. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.