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Q4 2012 Earnings Call· Fri, Feb 1, 2013

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to Newell Rubbermaid's Fourth Quarter 2012 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. A live webcast of this call is available at newellrubbermaid.com on the Investor Relations homepage, under Events and Presentations. A slide presentation is also available for download. I will now turn the call over to Nancy O'Donnell, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. O'Donnell, you may begin.

Nancy O'Donnell

Analyst

Thank, Morley. Thank you, everyone, for joining us this morning. As usual, with me today is Newell Rubbermaid President and CEO, Mike Polk; and EVP and CFO, Doug Martin. Let me remind you that as we conduct this call, we will be making forward-looking statements, which are subject to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on current expectations and assumptions. Actual results or trends could differ materially. Risk factors that may impact these statements are discussed in the Risk Factors section of our latest annual report on Form 10-K and in the company's other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements. Please also note that any non-GAAP financial measures, including, but not limited to, normalized operating margin and normalized earnings per share, should be viewed in addition to and not in lieu of Newell Rubbermaid's GAAP results. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP results is included in our financial summary slide deck on our website and in today's earnings release. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Thank you, Nancy. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. We have 2 objectives today. First, we'll review our fourth quarter and full year results and provide some perspective on that performance. Second, I'll give you some insights into our thinking about 2013 and provide guidance for the year. Let's get into the results. Our Q4 results represent our sixth consecutive quarter of consistent delivery. Up against our strongest year-ago quarter, Q4 core sales grew 2.2% in line with our expectations. We delivered normalized EPS of $0.43, about 7% ahead of prior year and $0.01 ahead of consensus. Q4 normalized operating margin was 11.7%, down 10 basis points versus prior year. Increased advertising and promotion, continued investment in sales force feet on the street and incremental customer programming associated with Q4 merchandising and 2013 new item sell-in was largely offset by productivity and structural SG&A reductions linked to Project Renewal. These investments were also enabled by good visibility into below-the-line benefits that gave us the flexibility to accept gross margin compression in the quarter. Importantly, we generated operating cash flow of slightly over $261 million, capping off a very strong cash flow year. Our full year results reinforce our commitment to steady, sequential improvement of our performance. For the full year, we grew core sales by 2.2%, a 40 basis point sequential improvement in core growth rate versus last year and a solid outcome in the face of tough economic conditions in Europe and challenges on our decor business. Normalized operating margin expanded 10 basis points as productivity, positive pricing and structural SG&A reductions more than covered a 30 basis point increase in strategic SG&A related to sales force investment and increased advertising and promotion spending. Normalized EPS was $1.70, 6.9% ahead a year ago despite having to…

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. I'll spend the next few minutes covering our fourth quarter results. And after that, I'll walk you through our outlook for 2013 and provide some color on the phasing of our Project Renewal cost savings and planned investments. Starting with the Q4 results. Newell reported net sales for the quarter of $1.52 billion, a 1.6% improvement versus the prior year. Core sales, which excludes 60 basis points of unfavorable foreign currency, increased 2.2%, which is consistent with our view from October when we indicated that sales would come in near the lower end of our annual guidance range. By portfolio role, our Win Bigger businesses grew fourth quarter sales by 3.8%, Incubate grew 5% and Win Where We Are showed a slight decline of negative 0.2%, which is a sequential improvement over Win Where We Are results for the first 3 quarters of the year. The Tools segment set the pace for us this quarter with strong core sales growth of 6% and reported sales growth of 3.6%. Tools grew across all geographies with double-digit growth in Latin America and Asia. Irwin in Latin America was very robust. We are really beginning to see the payback on our selling investments in this region. And Lenox also had a strong quarter in both North America and China where demand continues to be strong. Operating margin in Tools declined 360 basis points to 11.4% as a result of our investments in our Latin America sales force, combined with increased merchandising activity at Irwin. Core sales in our Commercial Product segment grew 1.3% against a challenging comparison to last year's 11.2% growth. Reported net sales grew 0.8%. Commercial Products sales were strong in both North America and Asia, but were offset by declines in Europe and rest…

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Thanks, Doug. Let me close by providing some reflections on where we are, and then we'll open it up to questions. Our people have done -- gone all in to change this company for the better. We can be proud of the progress we've made while recognizing we still have tremendous untapped opportunity to leverage the potential of our brands and their latent equity with consumers for competitive advantage in our markets. The Growth Game Plan is the blueprint that will enable us to unlock that potential and establish Newell as a consistent top performer. We've made that commitment to consistent delivery while embracing an ambitious change agenda that will enable us to sequentially improve performance. Our confidence that we can drive forward at the pace we've been moving is strengthened by all that we've accomplished over the last 18 months. We have made sharp, clear portfolio choices, by category and by geography. We are reallocating resources to the best growth ideas. We're strengthening the capabilities that will drive competitive advantage in design, marketing and innovation, supply chain and customer development. We've built a leadership team comprised of top inside and outside talent, who have been there and done it and who bring real credentials to bear on our capability agendas. We're taking decisive action on cost to move money from structural SG&A into our brands. And we're extending the geographic footprint of the business with great progress in Latin America and an ambition to extend that success to Asia. As we do all this, we can offer our people much more ambitious projects to work on, and they'll grow through these experiences. That's the Growth Game Plan. It's energizing for me and my team and a compelling opportunity for our shareholders. I'm confident we have way more opportunity ahead of us than behind, and we have a clear line of sight to making Newell a larger, faster-growing, more global, more profitable company. With that, let's open it up for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of John Faucher with JPMorgan. John A. Faucher - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Talk a little bit about the core sales outlook for next year in terms of -- talk a little bit about the cadence. Can you break out the impact of the Décor business, in terms of whether you think that's going to be up year-over-year or is that going to be just less of a drag or do you think it can be additive to growth? And then, I guess, as you move from the sort of structural investment on the SG&A side to the more marketing, let's say, how long do you think that pays off and what's the run rate?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Okay. John, I'll take those questions. So on Décor, it's not likely to be a growth lever for us, although the overall Home Solutions segment should deliver growth in 2013 despite having Décor as a drag. The thing to remember on the Décor business is the flow through the year. So we'll continue to have an issue in Q1 related to J.C. Penney, not so much related to our operational challenges from the manufacturing consolidation that we did. That may get enhanced in the month of March as they do the conversion work in store to their home section reset in April, early April. So that's something we have to watch, and we actually don't have as much clarity as you might think we would as to when exactly they're going to make that move. So there's some dynamic -- we're going to have to look at that dynamically through the first quarter. I would expect that, that reset doesn't get traction until the second half of the year. So the first half is -- continues to be a bit of a challenge on Décor. But as I said in the script, the other parts of that segment are really beginning to do reasonably well. We've really stepped up the merchandising support and frequency in segments of the Rubbermaid Consumer business, and we're seeing that respond. You could see that in our Home Segment results in Q4. We've established -- we actually have 5 dry periods set up that the new CDO will be able to merchandise around in 2013: one that's being executed right now around the Super Bowl with our food and beverage portion of the consumer portfolio; another that'll happen in April, connected to spring clean-up; one around the 4th of July; one around back to school;…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Lauren Lieberman with Barclays.

Lauren R. Lieberman - Barclays Capital, Research Division

Analyst · Barclays.

So just in terms of Babies. So revenue growth continued to be strong. You particularly commented on share gains in Graco and then Aprica being able to manage the tough comps. So what progress have you made, though, on the cost structure, right? Because you talked about limiting investment of this just until it sort of earned the right to get investment dollars. So if you could update us on that, it'd be great.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Barclays.

Well, you see the 40% increase in operating income in the year, part of that is growth driven, part of that is us pulling back on cost structure. We did make an investment in Q4 to start to build out the brand agenda, and you see that reflected in the operating income margin step-back in that segment. That's sort of upfront costs associated with advertising work and a new omni-channel project that cuts across -- is a marketing program that'll cut across direct-to-consumer communication but all the way in stores. So those are -- that's upfront funding associated with that. I'm cautious about putting too much money behind the Baby business for a number of reasons. We've got -- first of all, we've got tremendous innovation-driven momentum right now, and that continues into 2013. So with scarce resources in advertising and promotion, I'm not sure I want to double down on Baby when our strategic priorities are really in Tools, Commercial Products, Writing and in our Home Solutions pillar, and they'd all come before Baby in terms of my priorities. But we've got tremendous momentum. The thing you've got to manage when you're looking at these things is whether it makes sense to double down and really play hard on Baby for growth now as other businesses are gearing up for growth, and that's an option that we have. And I want to reserve the right to play it without getting boxed in too much. But we'll be cautious there because of where Baby stands relative to the others in terms of strategic priorities. But as we said, this business is on a roll. Kristie and her team have done an outstanding job of catalyzing the organization around the Baby recovery plan, and that momentum continued right through Q4 as we lapped Q4 2011 growth. If you recall, Q4 '11 grew 5%. We've now grown on growth, and we've got great momentum. In the U.S. now, and we're really entering the -- we're coming to the tailwind of Year 2 of momentum in Japan. The environment, as we go forward, changes a little bit. We do have more competitive activity in Japan so we're -- that growth rate will probably temper a little as we go through 2013. But we expect to still sustain growth, but not at -- not the third consecutive of double-digit growth, but probably mid-single digits. And we've -- it's an open run in the U.S. for us right now. We're doing all the right things, and I'm excited about the prospects for the business there. Europe will continue to be challenged, although Graco has stabilized in Europe. Our challenge in Europe is on Teutonia, which is our brand that's in Germany and Nordic and Poland. So that's sort of the inside-baseball view on Baby.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jason Gere with RBC Capital Markets.

Jason M. Gere - RBC Capital Markets, LLC, Research Division

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

I guess the first question, just thinking about the gross margin declines on the fourth quarter, some of the merchandising efforts. So I guess the question I have is really about plans with retailers right now, maybe it's a little bit more U.S. focused. Are you seeing that there is a need for increased cost of doing business or increased spending to kind of drive some of the sales targets that you're looking to do, expansion of some of the planograms, et cetera? So I guess, one, are you seeing that some of this increased spending might be an ongoing thing from time to time and kind of weigh down on the gross margin progression that you're looking to do? And two, as you exited 2012, were there any issues with any retailers in the U.S. not wanting to take on any excess inventory or replenishment issues just because of fiscal cliff or the payroll tax and such? So I'll leave it at that.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · RBC Capital Markets.

Yes. Let me answer the last part of your question first. These guys are rewarded on return on invested capital. I mean, you guys -- that's how you guys measure their success, and so they're very cautious on inventory positions but -- and they're always tight. And the days where you could sort of play -- work with them on their inventory, those are all long gone. So these guys are managing their inventories really tightly all the time, and they're always looking for angles to reduce their inventory position, as I would be if I were in their shoes. So there's really not any -- there's nothing unique going on there that I would ascribe to any of the external dynamics. I mean, a number of our retailers have their fiscal year end at the end of January, although a lot -- most of our big partners do, and they're doing what they always do as they come into a year-end period. And so it's not the absolute behavior that matters. It's the change and the change in behavior that matters to our revenue stream, and we don't see anything unique there. With respect to your question on merchandising frequency, which is really what we're focused on, not depth of price point, but merchandising frequency, both -- all of which impacts gross margin, we have some businesses that are in frequent purchase dynamic categories. And therefore, if you can -- and they're discretionary. So if you can interrupt the shopping experience with a brand experience, you can drive incremental purchase. A great example of that is our food and beverage container business within -- in Rubbermaid. People are -- it's not top of mind to think about replenishing or refreshing the drawer of food and beverage containers that you've…

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Dara Mohsenian with Morgan Stanley.

Dara W. Mohsenian - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

So, Mike, do you think core sales growth will be up in Q1? Or do you think it's going to be down, given the comparison issues?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

I think the way to think about core sales growth is if you strip out the SAP pull-forward. You have to look at it on an apples-to-apples basis. So you strip out the SAP pull-forward. And we've given you guys the numbers there so you can back that out and look at it. We should see core growth, I'd say probably in line with what we've been experiencing in the second half of 2012, maybe a little bit stronger. But we'll see as -- at the quarter -- as the quarter unfolds.

Dara W. Mohsenian - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Okay, that's helpful. And then on the SG&A line, it came in below what we expected for the second straight quarter. So I'd just be curious where did it come in versus your internal expectations. And can you also talk about where you boosted the strategic spending so far in the areas where you have spent? Are you starting to see a payback in terms of top line growth or market share and your level of comfort around that payback, or is it a bit too early to judge here?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, that's a good question. Let me give you some ratio numbers. And we don't typically talk about this, but I think it's important so that you don't think we're making the wrong choices here. When we talk about structural SG&A, we only talk about the portion of our SG&A, our people costs and our administrative costs that connect to the corporate functions. There are people costs in strategic SG&A. So strategic SG&A sometimes blurs movements across lines within that segment. So let me just give you the A&P numbers. A&P in the fourth quarter was up 30 basis points versus prior year. So we increased our advertising and promotion investment in the fourth quarter, I think by about $6 million. Within strategic SG&A, there were some costs that came out of the people side of the equation as we continue to restructure the company. And so you -- we'll try to unpack this a little bit more for you guys so you'd have a visibility into this. On the full year, advertising and promotion was up 40 basis points. So we've been talking strategic SG&A, and we'll decide when we want to go to a more granular level, but I think it's worth highlighting that for you. We are going to continue to see the people costs in structural SG&A and also strategic SG&A come down and -- through project -- the final phase of -- for the first phase of Project Renewal and also in the second phase of Project Renewal. So providing you more visibility to the A&P investment, I think, is probably wise, so you don't jump to the wrong conclusion when you look at the SG&A metrics. Now question about payback and whether we're getting a return and what we've been spending it on. As…

Dara W. Mohsenian - Morgan Stanley, Research Division

Analyst · Morgan Stanley.

Yes, comprehensive. It's good.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Chris Ferrara with Bank of America.

Christopher Ferrara - BofA Merrill Lynch, Research Division

Analyst · Bank of America.

So I guess one real quick one and then another. So one, what are you thinking on the 2013 tax rate? And then, Mike, I guess, you cited as one of the 2 risks to how the year looks, timing of savings. And I guess, historically, it's a pretty predictable thing to figure out the sequencing of savings on a restructuring. So what, I guess, are the moving parts that might have you particularly concerned about predicting that timing?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst · Bank of America.

Sure, Chris. This is Doug. On the first one, we expect the tax rate next year to be between 25% and 26%. And as you know, in this area, as the year unfolds and activity takes place in the business, we have better visibility as the year progresses because it's so dependent within a range on the geographic mix of earnings. So 25% to 26% is where I think I'd model.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Bank of America.

Yes. On the flow of savings, I mean, Chris, you're right, and we've got a very clear schedule of how the savings should flow in. What I've said all along is that -- and the things that underpin those savings are very, very clear. So we have that roadmap and that visibility by quarter. We know how the costs are going to come in. We know how the savings will come out. The one thing I've said all along with respect to the change agenda that we've got is that our first priority is to deliver results and deliver the growth and deliver them consistently. And what we're embarking on now is a very comprehensive change to our organization design. In the first wave of savings that will come in are connected to Doug's initiatives on best cost finance, which are people related, and then the work to simplify our structures and to organize the company around development and delivery. We've set that structure up at the top of the company, but we're now going to drive that into action through the company in the first quarter and into the second quarter. The thing that I reserve the right to do is call an audible, if I feel like that change agenda stretches the capacity of the organization too far, such that they lose focus on execution. And so that's the wild card. Now I don't expect that to be an issue, to be honest, because this group has blown me away with their capacity to embrace change and then drive change into action. So I'm cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to deliver exactly in the cadence we hope to. But the reason to highlight that as a risk is to preserve the right to call an audible if I feel like we're going to stretch the organization too far and cause it to lose focus. And so that's the issue that -- I'm sorry, it's not an issue. It's the flexibility I'm putting on the table for you guys.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from the line of Bill Schmitz with Deutsche Bank.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Are you worried at all about the tenor of sales within each quarter? Because it seems like things are kind of getting pushed back to sort of the last month of the quarter, just looking at kind of DSOs.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

No. I'm not really worried about that. I wish our profile was a little bit flatter. It would enable us to get working capital down. It's the cycle we're in and have been in for a while, so it's hard to break that without taking a pause. But there's nothing -- it's nothing unique. You know how these cycles get broken is by stepping away from a period, but I'm not prepared to do that. So the challenge for us is to strengthen the consumption profile in our business so we're not as spiky in our shipment profiles. So -- I mean, that's the short answer to your question, Bill. Once you're in that cycle, you can't get out unless you take a quarter off, but there's no taking a quarter off. The key to unlocking that is to strengthen your consumption and your consumer takeaway and your sellout, and that it -- that gives you the breathing room to work your way into a more leveled profile. One of the things I've asked Meri Stevens to look at is that -- is just that, because there are all kinds of cost that are associated with a more -- and opportunities in costs and in cash associated with a more leveled profile. We ought to be able to capture that progressively over time.

William Schmitz - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

Okay. And then how did -- how does it look leaving December and January so far in terms of shipments?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Deutsche Bank.

We don't want to comment on where Q1 is, but I'm comfortable that we're right on track to where we need to be. We've got some nice businesses with momentum, and like you always do, you have some that aren't off to a fine start. But that'll work its way out through the quarter. We've got some good things going on. Like I said, we put some merchandising activities and consumer-focused events into the beginning of the year that really helped. We -- as I mentioned, we were just in Shanghai last night -- last week for the launch of Parker 125th, and that program is going to roll across all of Parker's big markets. We've got the big event around Rubbermaid that's connected to Super Bowl, which looks like it went very, very well. The CDO executed that well. So I think -- and we've launched Hilmor last week, which will start to contribute through the first half. So I'm not overly optimistic, but I'm not at all concerned.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Connie Maneaty with BMO Capital Markets.

Constance Marie Maneaty - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Could you comment a little bit about the Hilmor opportunity? And just as background to give us some perspective, how big are Irwin and Lenox in terms of sales? So if this is maybe the third big brand in that segment, why are -- why do you have a right to be in it, and what's the size of the opportunity?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Yes. I won't get that specific, Connie, although I'm happy to provide you some background on why we've entered this segment. First of all, it will be the third leg of the -- third brand leg of -- with the Tools portfolio. HVAC's a particularly interesting category to us, not just in the U.S. but around the world. As you see the move from rural living to urban living and you see, particularly in many climates that are particularly warm, that's going on, and so when you look at -- you follow the development of some of our sister industries, air-conditioning development's going to go with that infrastructure buildout. And so HVAC is a very, very interesting space to us in the Tools business because of that strategic reality over time. Now we're going to develop a repeatable model in the U.S. But over time, you should expect us to think about this as a global play for us, as part of our Tools program. Hilmor is interestingly a brand that we've had in the U.K., but not marketed, that we're bringing to the U.S. The beauty of this segment is the fact that the IP space is wide open. So what we've designed here is a -- are a number of tools, 150 tools in the line, but a number of those tools have good proprietary points of difference. And so we've -- we'd look at these segments and we sort of map the IP space before we make a judgment as to whether we can get in, because you don't want to enter with just a me-too product. You won't be able to kind of protect the margin structure we expect out of these categories. And so we've gone into this category, a, because we see the strategic…

Constance Marie Maneaty - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Okay. So if core sales growth is 2% to 4% this year, what portion of it can we assign to a Hilmor sell-in? Like is it ¼ of the growth or?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

No, nowhere near that.

Constance Marie Maneaty - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Analyst · BMO Capital Markets.

Nowhere near, okay.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Bill Chappell with SunTrust.

William B. Chappell - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust.

Just wanted to talk a little bit Europe and kind of what you're seeing and a related question on currency. And have you seen any improvements to utilization stabilization as we went through the fourth quarter? And are you expecting anything kind of in the first half in terms of just end markets? And then also just on the currency front. I think you're talking about 100 basis point headwind, and you're just coming off a quarter where you had 60 basis point headwind. I'm trying to figure out what you're looking at in terms of dollar to euro and what else you're seeing that seems a little conservative.

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst · SunTrust.

Yes. Bill, on the dollar/euro, we're forecasting -- and the euro's been jumping all around, as you know. It's somewhere between $1.31 and $1.35 is where we're thinking throughout the year.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · SunTrust.

The issue for us is the yen, and then there's some other challenges in Latin America. But we all know where that's going to play out, Bill. We've got -- we got a planning assumption, which we've quoted to you. But you may be right. It could -- we saw it all over the place this year and could be all over the place next. We're focused on core sales growth, and then we manage and hold the folks accountable to EPS -- their portion of EPS delivery. So if it breaks favorable to what we've assumed here, there'd be some opportunity to either invest faster in the business or to let it flow through the EPS.

William B. Chappell - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust.

Okay. And then in terms of core growth you're seeing or declines in Europe?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · SunTrust.

Europe continues to be a challenge for us. We have portions of our business that are actually really interesting, and we've got portions of our businesses -- our business there that are really difficult. And that we got to look at -- what I've asked the team to look at is to look at each one of our category country sales and really ask themselves the strategic question about whether we should be doubling down and investing for growth in a more narrow section of Europe and then how would you manage those portions of our European business that are not attractive for margin. And that's the work that's going on. John Stipancich and the European leadership team are looking at that as we speak, and we've talked about Renewal 2 having 5 work streams associated with it. One of those work streams is EMEA transformation and the work there doing to understand how to set up Europe for growth going forward. In the context of what I think is a structural headwind in terms of the macros is going to be -- it really have to be the outcome of that work, and that'll inform the cost program and the way we spent our restructuring dollars in Europe. Stay tuned on that one. We've got more work to do, but that becomes an important next thrust beyond simplifying our organization structure and driving for best cost finance. It's the third in the 5 work streams that we'll initiate.

William B. Chappell - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust.

Again, just one other on the Latin American sales force you highlighted. Was that just a this-quarter event? And can you maybe give us a little color on what they're doing and when they should see a ramp?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · SunTrust.

Yes. No, Bill, we've been investing -- it's really the end of year's worth of investments. So it's the rollover effect of choices we've made along the way, and we continue to layer and refine those choices. Remember, at the beginning of the year, we said we're going focus our Renewal one savings on sales force investment, and that was almost all Latin American focused. The exception to that was our Rubbermaid Medical systems group, where we wanted to strengthen coverage on the health care vertical here because we have a great set of products and a great position in the medical carts business. So that is not new.

William B. Chappell - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division

Analyst · SunTrust.

Okay. You just highlighted. That's why I was wondering if...

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · SunTrust.

No, I just want to make sure you knew that, that was a contributor to the overall investment.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe Altobello with Oppenheimer. Joseph Altobello - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: First question, in terms of your outlook on '13, you mentioned earlier, Mike, that you guys are not assuming any major changes in terms of the macro. The home builders, obviously, are sounding a little more optimistic these days. Are you assuming any improvement at all on the housing side?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

We've got that baked into our core guidance. If you look at our Tools business, it's been performing quite well in the tough macro. And part of that is connected to this -- the resurgence of housing in 2012, and we expect to be able to sustain very good growth into 2013 on our Tools business. Commercial Products has benefited a little bit from that, the core of our Commercial Products business, not the cleaning side but the refuse side of that, and I suspect that'll continue to do quite well. But I think that's -- that is clearly baked into our numbers. When I think about housing, those are the key beneficiary-ing -- benefiting categories. Décor could benefit from that over time if you see a real reset in housing. I think we've just sort of bounced off the bottom now, but there are other issues facing that business that are -- would probably mask whatever housing impact we've seen. Joseph Altobello - Oppenheimer & Co. Inc., Research Division: Okay, that's helpful. And just secondly, you mentioned earlier that you do reserve the right to call an audible this year. Last year, it's probably fair to say you probably did call an audible as you worked through some of the issues, for example, at Décor in terms of turning on the strategic SG&A. It's big. So when you talk about the increase or step-up in the second half of this year, is there a catch-up component to that, or is that going to be a normal step-up that you would have done anyway with the spending coming through -- or I'm sorry, with the savings coming through?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Look, I'm not going to just sort of randomly throw money at the brand folks. I'm going to put money behind that -- money flows to ideas. So we're going to -- with time here, we get the ability to properly resource our biggest ideas. And we're going to focus it on the things that are consistent with the portfolio role choice we've made through the Growth Game Plan and the ideas that have the greatest right to deliver, to win in the marketplace and deliver a sustainable revenue stream for us over time. And so that's my philosophy. Richard Davies has joined us as the Head of Marketing. All the marketing teams now report to him. He's been on the ground for 4 weeks. He's sorting through all of what we've got in the funnel and making some judgments about what's strong enough place to big bets on and what's not. Bill Burke and Mark Tarchetti and Richard and Joe Cavaliere, so the marketing and the sales to the operating officer and the development officer have sat down and agreed on what our top 10 growth priorities ought to be for 2013, and we're going to right-resource them. If there's money left over, because we do have substantial amount of money, we've got a great line of sight to savings now in the second -- through Q2 forward, that money is more than what we need to support those initiatives. We'll be very -- I'll be very selective in terms of allocating incremental money out. I'm cautious about that because we need to consistently deliver competitive levels of EPS growth and for us to be a credible investment option for all of your clients. And so that's really, really important. And while we talk about 2013 being the transition year between the delivery phase and the strategic phase of the Growth Game Plan, the reality of our current situation is that we have a lot folks that are looking but are cautious about putting their money into the company, and we need to continue to build credibility with those folks. So that's about consistent delivery, and it's about consistent EPS delivery, and that probably trumps core sales acceleration in the very near term. And what I described as the near term is, certainly, the first half of '13. We can't have a hiccup on EPS delivery because we get too excited about throwing money into the business, and so I'm very cautious about that. Maybe too cautious, some would accuse me of being. But I think it's in our interest to continue to rebuild that credibility with investors.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Wendy Nicholson with Citi Research.

Wendy Nicholson - Citigroup Inc, Research Division

Analyst · Citi Research.

Just going back to the cash flow side of things. I know you gave me the guidance for tax rate. But with the refinancing you did on the debt, is interest expense kind of running out $17 million a quarter-ish? And then can you remind us kind of with your yield looking fairly competitive now, would excess cash flow be thrown more at share buybacks, do you think? Are you open to more acquisitions, or is the dividend still a priority?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst · Citi Research.

On the first item, Wendy, you're in the right zone on interest. We expect between $60 million and $65 million of interest expense next year. So you're right about where that is. And we've -- as you know, we saw some pretty good savings from the couple of refinancings we did this year and the general paydown of debt and the continued low interest environment. So that's all breaking our way.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Citi Research.

That gave us the flexibility, Wendy. I mean, the line of sight to that was very helpful in Q4. As pricing rolled out of gross margin, it gave us the breathing room to make some choices. I didn't want to not bet on Sharpie Metallics, because one of the opportunities in Writing is to extend the shoulders of the Writing season so we're not so dependent in the back-to-school window. And these brands can develop in these windows with the right innovation and marketing programs. And so the line of sight to that interest benefit was actually quite helpful in making the choice and the willingness to accept some gross margin compression to support the merchandising around that, the merchandising around Black Friday and the A&P's support behind Writing.

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst · Citi Research.

On the second piece there, Wendy, we -- as you know, we don't have any big maturities coming up until 2015, now that we've gotten nearly 2013 maturity out of the way. So we're very comfortable that we've got CapEx -- cash flow to fund our capital expenditure needs and support our growth plans. Cash needs for Project Renewal is, obviously, a first call and continues to be a first call for us. You're right, the dividend yield is in the range we want it to be in. And then we'll do -- we'll make steady progress again this year on our repurchase plan.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst · Citi Research.

And the -- to the great flexibility we have, we have a very cash-generative business. But I will tell you that there's more working capital opportunity than we captured, and we're going to work hard on that. Having Meri join the company, the Head of the Global Supply Chain, and creating a global function is going to be really quite helpful in driving complexity out and getting working capital down and also renegotiating terms with sourcing partners to get -- continue to extend our payable days. So I think there's more that we can do there. So we have -- we find ourselves in the position as we exit 2013 with quite a good place with respect to being at the optimal capital structure and being quite cash generative. It gives us the flexibility to put $100 million into the pension plan as opposed to pension -- as opposed to what we would normally have to -- expect to do at $50 million. And it also gives us the opportunity to -- as we get the business moving to an accelerated level of core growth, to start think about bolt-on acquisitions and potentially strengthen buybacks, both. So that's all in front of us as opposed to the here and now, because Doug's comment about making sure we fund Renewal properly is the first priority for cash beyond CapEx and the business. But it's right around the corner, and we have a lot of work to do this year to think through it. As we think about bolt-ons, our strategic priorities, the way you should think about -- how we think about bolt-ons is our Win Bigger categories. Plus, our Home Solutions Business is a big business, and we want to continue to work on strengthening that pillar as a cash-generating investment arm of our business. So there's 4 critical pillars. And then our Baby business is the one that's sort of on the fringe of being a priority. And the reason that stands outside of the 4 core priorities is because the big opportunity on Baby beyond continuing to sustain our great momentum would be to place a bet on Asia. And that's a different type of bet than we can make with our other Win Bigger categories, because the market -- the Baby gear market does not exist today, for example, in China. So you would be investing to build it. And the A&P cost associated with building a market versus deploying your assets into an existing market are much, much different. Cost of growth is much higher. So that one -- that business needs some sort of strategic inflection to create the flexibility to make that bet, and I would not mortgage Writing, Commercial Products, Tools or Home Solutions for the sake of that play in China yet.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Budd Bugatch with Raymond James. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: The call has lasted a long time, so I'm not going to ask, hopefully, a long question. Just 2 housekeeping questions. One, explain, if you would, Doug, the normalized tax rate for the fourth quarter. I'm not sure I understand what utilization of tax attributes means. And could you explain where the geographic mix of rates are?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

Yes. The -- starting with the second one, Budd. Most of the countries that we operate in have different tax rates, and they range from more attractive rates in Switzerland, for example, to less attractive rates by the U.S. and Japan. So depending upon where we source our growth from, and it's coming from all parts, obviously, we're in -- we're growing in Latin America as well, and there are different growth rates there, so depending upon where the growth flows in and how the growth flows in. And then to your second point, whatever underlying attributes we may have in those jurisdictions, all that gets kind of thrown into a pot, and the final effective tax rate comes out at the other end. So for example, if there's a country that we've been -- have historically lost money in and we are now beginning to make money, there's probably a net operating loss attribute that could flow through the rate. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: So NOLs are -- that's what you're calling an attribute? Is that most of the attributes are NOLs?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

That's a good example of one. Foreign tax credits, in general, would be another one. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And the second one is -- and this may have to wait for the K. But I think last year, between the domestic and international plans, you were about $1.5 billion underfunded for -- that was $1.5 billion projection of the PBO. What's it looks like this year? You're in -- you're putting a lot more money to the pension plan. What does the unfunded and the PBO and the assets look like now?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

We will wait until the K to give you those specific numbers, Budd, but we are making good progress on that and, obviously, made the choice in January. We're just within the last couple of weeks to put a little extra money in the plans, in part because of the interest rate environment is so low and the bond that we issued in the fourth quarter gave us the flexibility to put a little more money in there and close that funding gap. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Is it -- the unfunded higher or lower than last year?

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

No, it should be -- well, including the January funding, it'll be higher than last year. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: The unfunded amount will be higher than last year.

Douglas L. Martin

Analyst

Well, it should be -- with the January funding that we're making. So we'll sort it all out for you. Budd Bugatch - Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division: Okay. We'll be curious to see what it looks like in the K.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Leigh Ferst with Wellington Shields. Leigh Ferst - Wellington Shields & Co., LLC, Research Division: Could you give us an update on -- in your examples of the success with your customer partnerships?

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Yes. We've got some really interesting stuff unfolding. We've got tremendous growth in the food, drug mass channel. A guy named Keith Duncan we brought in to lead that channel has closed an incredible number of distribution voids, and the coverage model that the new Customer Development Organization has enabled us to create is helping us in that respect. And so we've got great momentum with our grocery channel customers and with the drug -- with the dollar channel customers as a result of that new coverage reach that we've gotten through the construction of the CDO. We've talked about the Rubbermaid merchandising windows that we've got enabled by good conversations with our customers about driving the food and beverage component of the Rubbermaid Consumer business off the shelf and onto the floor and good collaboration around the vehicles that we've created to do that. We've got really fast-growing e-tailing growth, both through our existing retailers who have established e-businesses and through dedicated e-tailers, and that is a function of a different coverage model there. But it's very, very early days. So I'm very excited about the continued upside that'll come through the Customer Development Organization. We are building that out in the U.S. because we believe it's a reputable model that can be applied in other countries around the world. And so our learning, both in terms of the design of the structure and the impact of the business, will inform our choices on how we sequence deployment of that structure into new markets, probably not until 2014. We need to get a good full year of experience under our belt under Joe Cavaliere's leadership, and then we think about what we do next. So Leigh, I'm really pleased with the kind of impact it's had so far and the possibilities going forward.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes our question-and-answer period. If we were unable to get to your questions please call the Investor Relations team at (770) 418-7075. I will now turn the call back to Mr. Polk for any concluding remarks.

Michael B. Polk

Analyst

Well, I appreciate, everybody, hanging in there through the Q&As. As I said, we are very proud of the work we've done to both drive delivery in 2012 while also driving change, and that theme will continue into 2013. The transformation work associated with the second phase of Project Renewal's upon us. And this -- the team that I have the privilege of leading has demonstrated to me that they've got the capacity to continue to drive delivery while driving change going forward. So thanks for all of your support and for your questions, and we look forward to catching up with you at the next moment that we have an opportunity to do so. Thanks, again. Bye.

Operator

Operator

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