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Insperity, Inc. (NSP)

Q3 2019 Earnings Call· Mon, Nov 4, 2019

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Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Marcella, and I will be your conference operator for today. I would like to welcome everyone to the Insperity Third Quarter 2019 Earnings Call. At this time all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to introduce today's speakers. Joining us, are Paul Sarvadi, Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer; and Douglas Sharp, Senior Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Douglas Sharp. Mr. Sharp, please go ahead.

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Thank you. We appreciate you joining us this morning. Let me begin by outlining our plan for this morning's call. First, Paul is going to discuss our third quarter results and how we are positioned for growth as we head into 2020. I will then discuss further details behind Q3 results and in particular focus on our healthcare costs. I will also provide our updated full year 2019 guidance and provide high level comments on our gross profit outlook for 2020. We will then end the call with a question-and-answer session. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that Mr. Sarvadi or myself may make forward looking statements during today's call, which are subject to risks, uncertainties and assumptions. In addition, some of our discussion may include non GAAP financial measures. For more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from any forward looking statements and reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures, please see the company's public filings, including the form 8-K filed today, which are available on our website. Now, at this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Paul.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Thanks Doug. And thank you all for joining us. Our reported results today include a year-to-date increase in revenues up 13%, net income up 18% and EPS up 21% over 2018. These numbers would be considered solid for most companies. However, they're not commensurate with our outstanding performance over the last five years. These results include third quarter performance below our expectations, driven primarily by a second consecutive quarter with elevated large claims at our medical plan and to a small degree by lower growth than expected in paid worksite employees. Doug and I will explain exactly what happened and what this means to our going forward plan. The bottom line conclusion from our analysis of the drivers of our recent results, indicate our growth plan remains solid and we expect to maintain our industry leading double digit unit growth into 2020. And we believe we did not have a systemic issue in our medical plan that would compound into next year. I'll begin with a discussion of our growth drivers and how we arrive at our expectations going forward. I'll also highlight results from our recent client survey and the traction we're gaining on our traditional Employment Solutions bundle, Workforce Acceleration. Doug will follow with comments about the recent quarter, including specifics regarding our medical plan and provide updated guidance for the year. We began 2019 with an expectation for growth in paid worksite employees of 15% based upon our starting point in January, and our budget for each of the three growth drivers including new sales, client retention and growth in the client base. We now expect to end the year at 13% growth in paid worksite employees. Approximately half of this shortfall is due to lower growth and the net change in our client base and the…

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Thanks Paul. Now, let me begin by discussing further details of our third quarter results. Average paid worksite employees increased 12% over Q3 of 2018 with a sequential increase of 4% over Q2 of this year. Higher than expected benefit cost resulted in just a 3% increase in gross profit over the third quarter of 2018. These higher benefit costs of approximately $18 million were slightly offset by favorable results in other areas of gross profit and operating costs, but drove the decline in adjusted EBITDA to $51 million and adjust EPS to $0.75. Now upon receipt of our third quarter healthcare claims data in October and our subsequent analysis of this data, we determined that these higher benefit costs were primarily driven by elevated large claim activity, which declined from Q2, but did not return to historical levels. Two consecutive quarters of large healthcare claim payments at these elevated levels is a historical anomaly for us. Additionally, we have historically had a strong track record in predicting our total claim costs on an annual basis. It appears that 2019 will be an exception due to this recent spike in large claims. In light of this, we have spent an extensive amount of time drilling into the details of claims data with the assistance of our insurance carrier, in order to determine the root cause of the elevated claims, and whether anything systemic has changed in our plans. Based upon our review of the detailed data we have determined the following. First, it's clear that only a relatively small number of claimants rather than something pervasive over our entire participant face negatively impacted our healthcare costs in Q2 in Q3. An analysis of large claims over the past two years indicated a recent spike in activity related to participant with…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer from SunTrust. Your line is open.

Jasper Bibb

Analyst

Thanks. This is Jasper Bibb on for Toby today. With respect to the guide for WSE growth, could you quantify how much of that comes from additional hiring within the existing customer base? And are there any trends you're seeing on that end?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, I mean, we've taken a conservative look at the net gain from employees based on kind of what's going on in last couple quarters. But like I said about the survey we conducted, there's still a lot of optimism out there. People have generally met their business plans for the year and are looking at improved sales for next year. And so we expect the need for employees within our client base to continue and to the degree that you can find the qualified people that will continue to see growth in the client base. But we're kind of being conservative about that going forward.

Jasper Bibb

Analyst

Okay, perfect. I was wondering if you could elaborate on those changes to your healthcare pricing after seeing those outsized claims in the past two quarters.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, so on the pricing side, we have an ongoing process where we are pricing every new and renewing customer every month based on the most recent information that we have. So we've been continuing to move pricing up accordingly. Of course at the year end, we also have our year end transition where you have the highest number of new clients coming in from new sales, and you have the highest churn from the turnover of clients at year end as well, because high percentage are on annual contracts that line up with the year end. But we feel very good, pricing has been strong throughout the year and has even come in ahead of our expectations as the year went along, so we feel good about how we have things priced going forward, even in spite of this anomaly we've had on these large claims.

Jasper Bibb

Analyst

Okay, great. Last question for me, I was curious if you could update us on people analytics and how important that is to how you think about mid-market growth heading into 2020?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yes, I've considered putting that in my in my prepared remarks, but we want to get to the point of some of the bigger things that were happening, but we're really excited about the analytics engine that we built into Insperity Premier. And we're now, I believe, over half of our mid-market clients have had an in depth discussion about the analytics engine and how it – and the data and information, the instant insights that it provides. And we really believe that this allows us – this tool allows us to really emphasize what I call our software with a service differentiation, the advantage we bring to the table by not only bringing instant infrastructure, but now instant insights. And as soon as you have an insight, you want to know what to do about it. So the fact that Insperity comes not only with the technology, but with the professionals that are able to help devise a game plan to take that insight and turn it into results for our client that makes what we do for our customers very unique. And I especially think it's going to be very prominent in our mid-market space.

Jasper Bibb

Analyst

That's helpful. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim MacDonald from First Analysis. Your lines open

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

Yeah, good morning guys.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Good morning.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

You haven't talked about how you'll kinder your guidance for worksite employees for Q4, which also seems way below what we would have expected. I mean, you had pretty strong commission activity in Q3. So what's causing the big drop in worksite employee guidance for this – I mean, it's basically doubling the miss from this quarter.

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Well, Jim, you can – as you know, the sales that you make this time of year generally come in January. And we took out all kind of – most of the net gain from existing. You don't have a lot of clients turning or you're – from the retention side, we expect it to be the same, but we just wanted to be really conservative about it. And at this point, frankly, that fourth quarter doesn't really matter. We're all focused on the January starting point for the year. And so what we're really focused on is our fall campaign activity. And we've got our – nice increase in trained rep count back up where it belongs 13%. We've got our key indicator for sales activity, which is the number of opportunities to bid, running really strong over the EBIT, over the growth rate at 123% for the beginning of the campaign. So we think we're off to a really good start, we know we're off to a really good start and as we maintain that then we'll get into next year and see a more normalized pattern for growth. So we're in that period where you have this year-over-year growth on top of this significant increase in the – with the large customer we had last year. And with that comparable, along with having a lower trained BPA count early in the year, that's just the way it's come out at this point where we're focused on turning that around.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

Can you give us the current end of quarter trained BPA level?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, let's see it here. It is light of five, just under 550 – 548.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

548, at the end of quarter?

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Right.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

Okay. And over to healthcare, so I hear your survey results and things. But what if employees were thinking – I don't know if you use surveyed employees or the employers, but if employees are worried about their jobs for some reason, would this kind of – would this kind of healthcare activity be more normal if everyone was sort of worried about their jobs or thinking about leaving their jobs or worried about being fired.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Not really, Jim. I mean, I wouldn't see any connection between – first of all, if they were worried about their employment, which the labor market is so strong, I don't see that right now. But if they were, I don't see how that would drive a large claim. That which was the core issue here, these jumbo claims above 250,000. We just had a significant increase in the incident rate. And it's sitting down with our insurance carrier going through. You can't believe how much data we went through looking at it every six ways from Sunday. And the answer is the same every time and it's these random large claims. In our history, we've had large claims in the quarter. All of our investors usually know that that happens once in a while. Usually, we haven't even seen happen more than once in a year, like that. And that's why it kind of evened out over the course of the year. This is two quarters in a row. It's more the luck of the draw, and it's very disappointing, but it's what happened. And there's nothing systemic in the plan. And I really don't see it being driven by employee related activity.

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Yeah, Jim its Doug, we also look at the nature of the large claim activity. And the two big drivers to it were heart conditions, heart attacks, issues like that, in cancer treatments, which clearly doesn't point to your earlier question there into some lesser extent, accidents, even within the participant base, so it gives you a little bit of flavor there as to as to the drivers in – gives you – hopefully helps you out there also on your question.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, none of those are what you'd call chronic in terms of the treatment period is a specific thing. And then you go down the road.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Martin from Roth Capital. Your line is open.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Good morning, Jeff.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Wanted to get a sense on how you feel that the higher benefits cost could affect your yearend transition in terms of retention.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Really no connection there because our pricing strategy really didn't – this didn't call for any change in pricing. Remember, the total cost trend of 3.7% that we even have in this year is really favorable against the market at large as it is. Our normal pricing strategy would actually have us pricing in a higher number than that in our normal pricing. However, that number gets offset by people making plan design changes, or choosing a lower cost plan or making other changes. Where it's not – we can't really determine today what percentage increase would we have in benefits pricing in January? But we know we've built in a higher number than the 3.7, it will come out something lower than that. But it'll be within the range and we don't have the cost price mismatch. We don't have to go back and hurry up and increase prices on customers. That's not what's going on from this situation.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay. And then is this the first time that you've really seen claims come in above, you're fully insured book of business. I know you've mentioned historically it's in line or below. But is this really the first time we've seen that trend?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

I would say without having the benefit of going back and looking every quarter historically, but certainly and – we don't know of a time. I mean, our whole book of business constantly runs better than the United's book. They tell us that on an ongoing basis. The comments in our script related to these large claims, which for this period, for the first time ran above their level and it's historically been below. We don't have any reason why we're sitting here today to think they're not going to turn back to at least the normalized levels. And, frankly, I don't have any reason to think we're – based on how we run the plan. We did a complete deep dive on the demographics to see if there's anything driving this, any source of new business, any age, gender differences, any selection that could possibly be driving this and this is not there. In fact, the demographic review that's 50 something page analysis, actually shows our book of business measured out in terms of the health of the book and how changes actually was a little positive. So that's not again confirmed nothing they're driving these two quarters we had.

Jeff Martin

Analyst

Okay, that's all for me, thank you guys.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Mark Marcon from Baird. Your line is open.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Good morning, guys.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Good morning, Mark.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

When did you – you bought back a lot of stock this quarter, when did you buy it back?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Let's see here, Mark. Yeah, it was throughout the quarter.

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

I mean, we followed our normal pattern, which is to buy in the open market, when we can and then put in a 10b5-1 plan when we go into the quiet period.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, but it was really yeah, throughout the entire quarter.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

When did you discover that the healthcare costs were running at an elevated level?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, as with every quarter we get the claims from data from United Healthcare in the month following the end of the quarter. And so it was in October, first we get the initial claims data from them and then we further – it takes time to further analyze that data particularly in a quarter like this where you can get going into a deeper analysis of that, but that's very typical. That's typical with every quarter over the course of our history. So you don't know your healthcare claims data on an occurred basis until after the quarter is over with.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Is there the possibility of getting more frequent updates?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

It's actually not a matter of frequent updates. We meet with United every month. And even through the September meeting there wasn't an indication because you don't have the quarterly report which has the fully – full claims as on an incurred basis, put back to where they initiated and things were looking reasonable like through the two months at one until the claim reports for the quarter. They came in after that we were faced with some numbers with that were quite disappointing.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Yeah. The point is, I'm assuming you wouldn't have bought a 1.2 million shares of [indiscernible] this was going to transpire?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

That's exactly correct.

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

Yeah, it's a safe assumption.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

So I guess the question is, is there a way to get an earlier warning system? Any sort of ruling system or anything like that?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

So what we've done because of this large claim activity, we did work with our carrier to provide various looks at various cuts of these sizes and looking at some projection of ongoing cost at this point, we have some things that we'll probably work with them on to try to get better inside, but now that it's kind of new information, it's not something we're going to be able to say right away, this will help us project that. So we're going to continue to work with them and try to get more information earlier. But it'll take a little time to see if there's really anything in there that can do that. The problem is on these jumbo type claims, the carrier gets some when they finally get filed and sometimes it's making run through a process, they're monitoring conditions, and know things are happening. And we know – you always have some number. When are you going to have an increase like this, this is really outside the norm to have this high of an incident rate of those jumbo claims in such a short period of time and that's the bottom line.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of J Jim MacDonald from First Analysis. Your line is open.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on what you're seeing in the market in terms of rate increases. We've been hearing of some for healthcare. We've been hearing some pretty high numbers out there actually this year.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, as far as within the marketplace at large, I think from our carrier’s perspective, I think you're looking at high single digits basically. So like I say we're not unhappy with where we are in the bigger picture on how our plan is trending even with the large claim activity this recent period.

Jim MacDonald

Analyst

Great, thanks. That's what I wanted to ask.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Marcon from Baird. Your line is open.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Just a couple of quick follow ups, one, your existing clients, when do they – when did they receive the notification for what their rates are going to be for next year?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, as you know or you may be aware of Mark, we're renewing clients every month of the year. There's a trend to that because we sell clients and they have an annual contract, we're selling every month, so people are renewing every month. Now, at the year end, we have about 40 to 40 – a little over 40% of our book of business renews in this January to February time period. And those – we're well into renewing those accounts already, and are actually a little ahead on that. But the pricing on those accounts goes out in October, typically, the bulk of it, and so we're already out there, renewing those accounts.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

And are you renewing at roughly a 3.7% price increase for healthcare or how are you – how do you price that?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, this is what I was saying a little bit earlier. Let me try to be a little more clear with that. We actually are building on price increases that would be greater than that 3.7% and that's on an individual account basis. We're looking at their specific experience in the total PEO relationship, not just the healthcare side, but within the allocation that we build in for the benefits. There would be an allocation increase above the 3.7. But what happens then is customers also have options to change the plan they selected, or change the contributions they're making, so forth between the client and the employee. So there's other decisions that are made. And once we get on any renewal period, whether it's a month or the year end, once we enroll or re-enroll and pay everybody or renew them and pay them under the new system, their total increase in benefit allocation can be less than that number that we built in because they may have made a change in their plan. So we would anticipate our best guess would be around a 3% increase in – that came from pricing, but then of course you have to realize that would have been driven by going to lower cost plans that would offset the trend that we're talking about that occurred this year the 3.7. So all in, like I say our pricing compared to our all in cost is still well intact not an issue there that has driven a big change in pricing strategy. Does that help any?

Mark Marcon

Analyst

It does. I was just wondering, how does that compare like if a client's been with you for say three years, the price increase that they're looking at this year for like-for-like insurance plan, how does that compare to like the price increase that they would have seen last year?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Yeah, that that's a good question that it wouldn't be – it would be a little bit higher, maybe 1% higher than then they would have seen a year ago because we would have been – as this year has gone on, we've been moderately raising pricing to reflect what's been happening in the underlying plan. Not so much related to the large clients, but just to the normal trend that you look at. Now, for example, pharmacy trend has been a little elevated over the course of the year. So those kind of things get factored in. But the good – the thing to remember is that the longer a client is with us, the more they've had multiple years of lower than market increases and benefit plans and the better this deal gets for our clients. That's the reality of it.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

What's the typical client trend that you would expect during this core time period?

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

I'm sorry, typical what trend?

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Client trend that you would typically end up seeing in the year.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Client trend?

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Yes.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Okay. Yeah. So our annual attrition in clients is typically last five years now been around 15%, 14% to –

Douglas Sharp

Analyst

16.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

14% to 16%, so let's call it 15. In the way that has played out over the last five years, it's more like a 6% to 8% that go away in January because you have such a high percentage of customers renewing and then you have less than – you probably have a 2% to 3% for February, and then you have a 0.5% to 0.7% every month thereafter. So that's kind of your trend. That's I mean, that's the pattern of how you get about a 15%.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Okay, and then the BPA productivity typically around this time of the year.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Well, this is when it really bumps up, this is when you've really worked hard to have as many BPAs trained as possible and running at a good efficiency level and get them as many qualified leads as possible. So we usually – our fall campaign, we typically have nearly doubled up, about a maybe 1.7% or 1.8% over what you had in the first and second quarter, for example. So this is making, hay look, wow the sun is shining.

Mark Marcon

Analyst

Okay, great. Look forward to talking offline as well. Thank you.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Absolutely, thank you for your questions.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'd now like to turn the call back over to your presenters.

Paul Sarvadi

Analyst

Well once again, thank you all for joining today. We appreciate your interest and we look forward to having better news for us next quarter and we're going to finish off this year strong with a good fall campaign and look forward to a strong 2020. Thank you for joining us.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.