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NiSource Inc. (NI)

Q2 2010 Earnings Call· Tue, Aug 3, 2010

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Operator

Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the second quarter 2010 NiSource earnings conference call. [Operator instructions.] I would now like to turn the call over to your host for today, Mr. Glen Kettering, Senior Vice President of Corporate Affairs. Please proceed.

Glen Kettering

Management

Thank you and good morning. On behalf of NiSource, I’d like to welcome you to our quarterly analyst call. We thank you for taking the time to join us this morning. With me this morning are Bob Skaggs, president and chief executive officer; Steve Smith, executive vice president and chief financial officer; and Randy Hulen, managing director of investor relations. As you know the focus of today’s call is to review our financial performance for the second quarter of 2010 and provide a business update. We will then open the call to your questions. At times during the call we will refer to the supplemental slides available on our website at NiSource.com. I’d like to remind all of you that some of the statements made on this call will be forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the statement. Information concerning risk factors and uncertainties is included in the MDNA and risk factors sections of our periodic SEC filings. And now I’d like to turn the call over to Bob Skaggs.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Thank you Glen. Good morning, and thanks for joining us today. Prior to reviewing our second quarter financial results, I want to thank those of you who participated, in person or virtually, in NiSource’s July 22 Investor Day, our first in over five years. It was a privilege for the NiSource team, our business unit CEOs Jimmy Staton and Chris Helms, and our CFO Steve Smith to provide an in depth profile of the company and its business segment strategies, and to detail the deep inventory of investment-driven growth opportunities at each of our units. Again, we appreciate your interest and time invested to learn more about our business, our core strategy, and ultimately, why we believe that NiSource presents a compelling investment proposition. And as a reminder, if you weren’t able to join us, you can access our Investor Day presentations and a full transcript at NiSource.com. In particular, I would suggest taking a look at our Investor Day slide deck. It provides a crisp “why” NiSource is such an attractive investment. Now let’s turn to our second quarter results, and the second quarter slides that are available on NiSource.com. On slide 3, you can see that we delivered second quarter net operating earnings non-GAAP, of $37 million, or $0.13 per share, compared to $0.02 per share last year. Operating earnings for the quarter were $154 million, compared to $117 million for the same period last year. As these strong results demonstrate, the NiSource team continues to execute on our balanced, low-risk, infrastructure investment-driven strategy for building sustainable growth and shareholder value. As we pass the halfway mark in 2010, I’m pleased to note that our financial performance is in line with our plan and that we remain on track to deliver our non-GAAP 2010 earnings outlook of $1.10…

Operator

Operator

[Operator instructions.] Your first question comes from the line of Paul Patterson of Glenrock. Please proceed.

Paul Patterson - Glenrock Associates

Analyst · Glenrock. Please proceed

I wanted to touch base with you on the 2008 case. It seems to be taking considerably longer than you guys had expected and I’m just wondering why you think it’s taking so much longer than you guys thought it would.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Well, just a couple of prefacing it observations. Number one, as you and virtually everybody else knows, it’s the first case that we’ve had at NIPSCO Electric in over 20 years. The case covers everything, from A to Z, and one central feature or issue in the case has been rate design and cost allocation, and again, that was litigated as well as everything in the case was litigated. So to say the obvious, complex, involved case that the parties needed to go through in great detail. So that’s an introductory of sorts. I’d also make the observation that the commission has only had the case now for about six months, and their typical deliberating process endures or continues for about six months, so I think we’re still within the window of that decision making process, and as I said in my prepared remarks, we expect an order yet this quarter.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock. Please proceed

Right, but in the last quarter conference call you guys expected something by the middle of 2010. We’re now in August and I haven’t even seen it on the agenda. Has anything changed in that period of time?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Again, I tried to indicate. I think they’re going through their normal deliberating process. It’s a big, complex case and so I think it’s just part of the normal process. We don’t read anything into it, negative or positive, and again we expect a decision within the short term.

Paul Patterson

Analyst · Glenrock. Please proceed

Does it delay the filing, the third quarter filing potentially?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yes. We would like to get this case in hand. We’d like to be able to digest it, and we’d also like to preview the follow up case with our stakeholders. So it does almost by definition delay. We will not delay indefinitely, but again we expect the commission to act within a short period of time and the second case will follow closely thereafter.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Carl Kirst, of NiSource.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Hey Carl, welcome aboard! [Laughter.] Carl Kirst – BMO Capital Markets: I’m actually still with BMO last I checked.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Okay, yeah. That would have been the biggest surprise in today’s call, wouldn’t it?

Carl Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

I’m always glad there are options. [Laughter.] Sorry, so, a few questions here. First off, on the LDC side, nice beat, nice results overall. I’m trying to get a better sense of, we knew the levelized rates was certainly redistributing some of the winter period earnings, but how much of second quarter where the increase in revenue came from off system sales, and perhaps how much operating income came from off system sales. Just trying to get a better sense of that.

Robert Skaggs

Management

It’s about $10 million, give or take.

Cark Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

And is that just basically related to the increasing basis that we saw, and sort of just movement across the system, or what do you attribute that to?

Robert Skaggs

Management

No, I’m sorry, I may have misunderstood the question. At the gas distribution companies, just for clarity’s sake, about $10 million came from the rate design change at Columbia Gas of Ohio. Okay? And we had a bit of an uptick in off system sales between $10 million and $15 million at the gas distribution companies. I wouldn’t attribute it to basis per se. It was a bit opportunistic and so I’d separate it from that.

Cark Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

Okay. The $10 million is sort of what we might consider to be the base foundation if you will?

Robert Skaggs

Management

From the Columbia Gas of Ohio rate design change.

Carl Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

Exactly.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Correct.

Carl Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

And then two other just quick detail questions. I noticed in the reconciliation, also in the LDC, there was a $5.7 million revenue adjustment, but I didn’t see any description for what that was and . . .

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, that was a legal reserve that was reflected earlier in revenue and now we’ve taken a reserve on it.

Carl Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

Great, thank you. And you know, maybe just a broader question and I can back in queue. You know, understanding we’re in a situation of kind of under-promising and over-delivering, you guys have just put up excellent results in the first half of the year. I know we’re staying with this $1.10 to $1.20 guidance. Certainly though, when I look at what happened with the second half of last year for instance, as far as year over year comparisons, in order to kind of stick even with the high end of that guidance you guys would be below second half ’09 results. Is this just out of an abundance of caution, and wanting to see the NIPSCO ruling first, or should we be expecting some negative year over year comps in the second half of the year?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Well, number one, Carl, we always try to give you our best shot on an earnings outlook, so we always try to shoot straight with that. But you really hit the nail on the head. We have this huge, and I’ll say it again, huge, rate case pending that as you know has many, many, many moving parts. Now we’ve tried to model and give the market our best take on that, but in all fairness to us and the process, again it’s a huge, complex case that is extremely difficult to model. And that’s the primary reason that we’re staying with what we’ve given you so far on the outlook.

Carl Kirst

Analyst · Carl Kirst, of NiSource

Understood. Appreciate the color. Thanks guys.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed.

Paul Ridzon - Keybanc Capital Markets

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

You’ve got some timing issues on the expenses at NGT&S. Can you kind of quantify how big that was, and when we get that back?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, really what we’ve attempted to do is to take the opportunity to step up our maintenance, and I highlighted in my remarks our Integrity Management Program, so that’s what’s really driving the bump in that spending, and give or take it’s between $7 million to $8 million. That’s the bump that we’ve incurred.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

And how big were the storm costs at NIPSCO?

Robert Skaggs

Management

They were about $3.5 million. And just for everybody on the call, in Indiana, like much of the Midwest, there were a series of very, very heavy storms and so about $3.5 million to restore customer service in the aftermath of those strikes, storms.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

That’s not netted out in your weather adjustment, is it?

Robert Skaggs

Management

No, it’s not. We just went on and hit operating earnings as part of ongoing business.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

Okay. It looks like industrial is really starting to accelerate. Any color on what you’ve seen thus far? You have July under your belt.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, it’s certainly better than what we had anticipated. Better than what we reflected in our outlook. From our perspective it’s still slow. If anything we expect it to slow down a bit for the balance of the summer and into the balance of the third quarter. So like many of our brother and sister utilities in this area, we’re seeing flickers, but nothing that we would ever characterize as sustained uptick.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

As we move into ’11, can you kind of talk about some of the impacts on earnings at the Ohio Auction [inaudible]?

Robert Skaggs

Management

We certainly expect the auction to reduce our off system sales capability in Ohio. And when we provide guidance and now look in 2011 we’ll give you a little bit more color and detail. But that will be the key sort of impact to watch when we guide for ’11.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon of Keybanc. Please proceed

And then just finally, just to clarify, your 3% to 3.5% growth aspiration is EPS, not net income, correct?

Robert Skaggs

Management

It’s earnings per share growth. You’re correct.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed.

Jonathan Lefebvre - Wells Fargo

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Just on Carl’s question, I wanted to clarify. Is it $10 million per quarter for the new rate design in Columbia of Ohio? Is that how we should be thinking about it for 3Q and 4Q?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Well, I’ve got to think about that for a moment, but no, because of, when it was implemented in 2009, and I can’t recall exactly when it was implemented, but I think you will see part of it in the third quarter, and you’ll certainly see quarter to quarter it was definitely in during the fourth quarter of 2009.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

But we should expect fourth quarter will be down a bit year over year due to the levelizing mechanism?

Robert Skaggs

Management

It should be apples to apples.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Gotcha.

Robert Skaggs

Management

If you get me, because I believe we implemented, I can’t recall when we implemented in 2009 quite frankly, but I’m sure it was in towards the latter part of the year.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Okay. And then just in terms of the –

Robert Skaggs

Management

And by the way, we’ll ask Randy to follow up with you on that, because we’re relying on my memory and I just can’t nail that.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Not a problem. And then in terms of the interest expense. You’re running kind of below where we thought year to date on the second half, I mean do you think this is a reasonable run rate?

Stephen Smith

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Well, I think this -

Robert Skaggs

Management

This is Steve by the way.

Stephen Smith

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Yes, Steve, thanks Bob. I think, you know, vis-a-vis what we anticipated for the year in guidance, I would say interest rates have performed well in terms of they’ve been a lot lower for a whole host of reasons. So we’ve continued to see some upside on the interest expense line. And again, you know, that’s largely driven by what’s taken place in the broader economy at large. You know, Treasury rates are pretty low and have been for quite some time.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Fair enough, and the PA settlement, was that in the $1.10 to $1.20, can you refresh my memory there.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yes it was.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

And then finally, just in terms of the financing outlook, and I know you touched on this on your analyst day, but as you think about, you know, growing your transmission and storage business, I’m sure you’ve seen the recent storage IPOs in the MLP space, and what they went out at. Care to comment on what you’re seeing there, and if that’s catching your eye at all and maybe rank that versus doing some type of equity versus MLP at this point? Which would you prefer?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, at this point we continue to monitor closely the MLP IPO activity, but as I mentioned at Investor Day on July 22, we’ve taken that off the table for the time being. Again, we continue to monitor, we see some advantages in the approach, but for us we’re taking it off the table for the time being.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

So I guess it would be more preferable to look at equity to continue the growth at NGT&S if that was the right thing to do.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Well, let me just talk a little bit about financing. Number one, and again I mentioned this during Investor Day, our first and foremost consideration is do we have value-enhancing franchise-enhancing investments? Is the inventory good? Is the inventory of investments compelling? And as you know we’ve been striving to increase the spend, annual spend, to about $1 billion a year, so that’s first and foremost as we think about things. And then we move to financing, and literally we have not made a decision on how, what, when, where and the like. We continue to study that. We continue to consider our financing options, but we’ve just made no decision in that regard. When we, though, begin the process of looking at financing and perhaps pulling the trigger on financing, there are certain key principles that we’re going to measure against. Number one is what really Paul mentioned earlier, 3% to 5% earnings per share growth. That’s the first commitment. The second commitment is to our current dividend level of $0.92, and the third point that we’re committed to is the investment-grade credit rating. So that’s where our thinking is, and that’s the process and the standards we’re going to measure any decision against.

Jonathan Lefebvre

Analyst · Jonathan Lefebvre of Wells Fargo. Please proceed

Okay. I appreciate the color. Nice quarter guys.

Operator

Operator

There are no further questions in queue. [Operator instructions.]

Robert Skaggs

Management

All right operator. Maybe we can just make a few concluding comments.

Operator

Operator

Pardon the interruption. You have a question from the line of Jay Dobson of Wunderlich Securities. Please proceed. Jay Dobson – Wunderlich Securities: Right under the wire there, Bob.

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, you just made it Jay.

Jay Dobson

Analyst · Jay Dobson of Wunderlich Securities

Exactly. Just a quick follow up. I don’t remember who asked it earlier, but in talking about the Indiana rate case outcome maybe just give us a little sense of your confidence level around a third quarter decision. And certainly understand the question’s a really tough one to answer. It’s certainly not within your control, but I guess in as much as you emphasize appropriately how important a rate case and perhaps more importantly a complex rate case it is, it’s certainly key on investors’ minds. So I guess the way I’d ask the question is, you know, what’s the probability we’re on the third quarter earnings call, and we don’t have a decision?

Robert Skaggs

Management

Yeah, it’s very difficult to predict with precision. I go back to the point that I made, though with Paul at the outset, that the commission has had this case now for give or take six months, and I think Indiana practice has been to decide major cases and proceedings within a six to nine month time frame. We know that the commission has held one executive session to consider the case, or to consider the decision making process in the case. We know that they are working hard on this case, and have been working hard on that case. So all indications, based on history, based on the flurry of activity we see, that the six to nine month decision making framework is probable.

Jay Dobson

Analyst · Jay Dobson of Wunderlich Securities

Gotcha. You’d still anticipate the next case coming sort of right on the heels of that, so you know, if this does end up pushing into fourth quarter a decision then, you know, we’d be delaying and pushing that next case into the fourth quarter.

Robert Skaggs

Management

That’s correct. But we will move with dispatch. We’ll give ourselves a bit of time to digest, socialize, and follow the follow-on.

Jay Dobson

Analyst · Jay Dobson of Wunderlich Securities

Hey, that’s great. Thanks for the time.

Operator

Operator

This concludes the question and answer section of the call. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Bob Skaggs for closing remarks.