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Operator
Operator
Good day, everyone. And welcome to the NFE Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded and all phone participants are in a listen-only mode, but later you will have the opportunity to ask questions. To get us started today with opening remarks and introductions, I am pleased to turn the floor to Managing Director of Strategy and Investor Relations, Mr. Chance Pipitone. Please go ahead, sir.
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Chance Pipitone
Management
Perfect. Thank you, Jim. And good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining today’s conference call where we will discuss our second quarter 2023 results, recent development, operational highlights, and future here at New Fortress Energy. As Jim said, the call is being recorded and will be available by replay on the Investors section of our website under the subheading Events and Presentations. And in the same location, you will find a press release regarding our second quarter 2023 results and the corresponding presentation that we’ll walk through on today’s call. As we proceed through the discussion, we will be referring to that presentation, In that same presentation, you will also find a series of important disclosures related to forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures. We encourage participants to review these important disclosures in addition to the description of risk factors contained within our SEC filings. Now, let’s dive into the call. My name is again Chance Pipitone. And joining me today at New Fortress Energy are Wes Edens, our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Chris Guinta, our CFO; Andrew Dete, our Managing Director of New Business; and other managers of our senior leadership team. Wes, over to you.
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Wesley Edens
Management
Great. Nice, Chance. And welcome, everybody. Lots of talk about today. So let's start with page number three, the numbers and go from there. Quarterly results for the quarter were solid. The EBITDA for the quarter, $246 million, is down for the first quarter. Virtually 100% of that is just a function of the geography of timing of some cargo sales. The core earnings were basically flat quarter-over-quarter. Compared to the first half of last year, we're up significantly, so $541 million last year in the first half, $686 million in this year. Perhaps, more importantly, the guidance that we see now for the rest of the year, $1.6 billion for 2023 and $2.4 billion in 2024, little bit of reduction of guidance there for this year, just as a function of a few of the projects delivering late, but still very, very solid earnings for the rest of the year. And our future is incredibly bright. You flip to page number four. This is a very, very interesting page at the beginning of the presentation. So to say the least, these are very exciting times for the company. After many years of hard work and many billions invested, we now have five major infrastructure projects, all delivering essentially at the same time. Having $3.2 billion invested in projects that turn into productive, revenue producing assets is life changing for the company, and there's a couple of material points here. One, it greatly increases our revenue potential as a company. Obviously, you're converting construction projects into revenue producing assets. And that's actually a huge, huge change. Two is, it changes the nature of our company from one that is a mix today of about 50% of our revenues coming from merchants sales to customer volumes, to one that is virtually…
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Great. Thanks, Wes. And good morning, everybody. Please turn to slide number 8 where we provide some added details on the completion of Fast LNG number 1. So as mentioned, thanks to the incredible effort by our team at Corpus Christi and in Mexico, we continued continue to make major progress and we're nearing our goal of COD by the end of this quarter. At this point, each of the rigs have achieved mechanical completion, and we're in the process of commissioning various systems while the remaining rigs are still in the queue at shipyard. As a reminder, FLNG is comprised of three specific rigs with the names Pioneer 1, 2 and 3. Pioneer 1 is the gas processing module. This is connected to the subsea riser and it dehydrates and prepares the gas for liquefaction. This unit is expected to mobilize and be installed around August 23. Pioneer 2 is the liquefaction module that includes the chart cold box and Baker Hughes compressor, which together change the vapor into LNG. This unit is expected to mobilize and be installed around August 28. Pioneer 3 houses the accommodations, power and electrical control hub, and this is the unit that has already been mobilized and installed offshore. From a marine construction standpoint, all activities have been completed, including the installation of the hot tap assembly on the [indiscernible] pipeline, a 3 kilometer pipeline lateral to our FLNG asset and the anchor mooring installation for our storage vessel. In addition, our floating storage vessel, the Penguin, has completed all of its make ready activities and currently in transit to Altamira where it will clear in and hook up to its installed moorings later this month. The next step is to sail units P1 and P2 over the next couple of weeks to…
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Andrew Dete
Management
Thanks, Chris. Good morning, everyone. We're on page 11. And I've got three slides here that are going to dig in a little bit more on what Wes went through on slide 6 around capacity in our terminals. So, slide 11 shows how we calculate the capacity of an LNG terminal at NFE. We're going to take the example of Montego Bay, which is our first terminal. So, Q4 2016 COD. Mo Bay is 8,000 cubic meters of landed storage. So onshore storage. And then we have an LNG vessel there. In the picture, you can see both the bullet tanks in the left part of the picture and then the ship coming alongside. Mo Bay is serving Jamaica Public Service, JPS, on a long term contract for gas supply to the Bogue powerplant. And it's also our main small scale hub in Jamaica. So we serve over 20 industrial and hospitality customers from the Montego Bay terminal, mostly through truck loading. On the right side is how we calculate capacity. So what we do is we take our 8,000 cubic meters of storage and we assume two reloads a week. That's not really conservative, nor is it too aggressive. That's right at about kind of a comfortable pace for our refilling. And then we take that 16,000 cubic meters a week times 52 weeks a year, we get to 832,000 cubic meters a year. We convert by multiplying by 24 into TBtus and we have a capacity of 24 TBtus. So I'll put that into page 12, which basically takes that rubric and shows it across the portfolio on the left side. So these are all of our operating terminals, which total about 385 TBtus. And then what we're showing are the four expansions that we expect to bring…
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Unidentified Company Representative
Management
Thanks, Andrew. And good morning. Thank you all for joining us. As Wes mentioned at the beginning of the call, we've been investing in Puerto Rico since 2017. So I'll refer you to slide 15. And just a little bit of context. Puerto Rico is a US Commonwealth with 3.5 million people with amazing culture and history. It imports over 20 million barrels of HFO and diesel a year to generate power, which is highly unusual compared to the US mainland. In addition, it has a stated goal of being 100% renewable by 2050. The power generation that exists today is old, inefficient, unreliable and heavily carbonized. And most importantly, it's not positioned to integrate renewable resources. It's the perfect energy transition opportunity to move to natural gas and away from distillates in support of increased integration renewables over time. NFE's involvements in Puerto Rico started in 2017. In September 2017, Hurricane Maria Category 5 hurricane struck the island and severely damaged the electrical grid. Like others, NFE responded to the call to rebuild and opened its LNG terminal in 2020 next to the San Juan power plant in the north of the island in record time for a facility of that type across the world. The terminal supported 300 megawatts of the island's most efficient and low emission dispatchable power and significantly has generated millions of dollars of savings to date by displacing diesel fuel with natural gas. Most importantly, the terminal positioned NFE to quickly respond to the needs of the island to accelerate both the reconstruction of the power grid and the deployment of renewables. I move to page 16. In 2021, PREPA privatization got underway. PREPA is the largest utility publicly owned utility in the US with 1.5 million customers, $4.5 billion operating budget, 20,000 miles…
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Thanks, Brandon. Please turn to slide number 21 [Technical Difficulty] financial Performance for the second quarter of 2023. During Q2, we had $561 million in revenue and $246 million of adjusted EBITDA, which combined with Q1 had us at $686 million of adjusted EBITDA for the first half of 2023. Segment operating margin was $239 million for Terminals and $54 million for the Ship segment. And you can find more detail in the appendix. The net income for the quarter was $120 million, which is $0.58 per share on a diluted basis. This quarter, we sold 25 TBtus in total volumes, which equates to an average EBITDA margin of around $10 per MMBtu. As Wes mentioned, the primary driver of the change in EBITDA during Q2 as opposed to Q1 is the cargo sales, which accounts for about $195 million or 95% of the decrease quarter-over-quarter. On a go forward basis, from an earnings perspective, we are replacing most of the cargo sale earnings with volumes being sold to downstream customers through our regas terminals on a long term basis. Perhaps the best example of this is the migration of cash flows derived from downstream contracted sales through our terminals, which will be around 60% of 2023 adjusted EBITDA to over 85% of 2024 adjusted EBITDA. Just to point out, the average contracted term is around 12 years, with over 80% of these sales being to investment grade counterparties. This is the long term predictable net spread business that we've been building toward. And finally, a quick comment here on the balance sheet. Since the end of June, we've closed on another $500 million of financing, which includes an incremental $100 million in the turbine financing, bringing us to $200 million in total and $400 million term loan that will be taken out with an asset level financing against FLNG 1. And just to note, historically, the company has funded our growth by choosing to finance our development projects on balance sheet. And then once the assets are operational, we can back lever them on a discrete standalone asset basis. This is a trend we will continue to execute. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Chance.
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Chance Pipitone
Management
Yes. Thank you, Chris. Let's turn it back to the operator. I'd love to open up the lines for questions.
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Operator
Operator
[Operator Instructions]. We'll hear first from Chris Robertson at Deutsche Bank.
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Chris Robertson
Analyst
Just wanted to circle back on the CapEx guidance for 2024 here, especially with regards to FLNG 2 and 3 as those are currently under construction. Maybe just a question for Chris, can you walk through the latest [Technical Difficulty] CapEx guidance [Technical Difficulty] and talk about the financing of those for the next year? I'm just trying to get to why has CapEx guidance come down so much in 2024 compared to last update when these two units are still under construction?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Fundamentally, we've invested over 35% of the cost of FLNG 2 and 3 already using equity. So, the view is that we should be able to borrow debt against the asset to fund the remaining CapEx plans. From a terminal CapEx standpoint, we've almost completed all the spend for Barcarena and Santa Catarina and Nicaragua. That's all less than $100 million remaining. And then, you have on a go forward basis, only around $50 million a year – we have about $50 million a year for maintenance CapEx on the terminals. Just circling back to the top of your question. We've funded $1.3 billion already against FLNG number 1. So, there's very modest costs remaining this year to complete that asset.
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Chris Robertson
Analyst
On FLNG 2 and 3, you said you've already invested over 35% in those two.
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Christopher Guinta
Management
That's right. That's right.
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Wesley Edens
Management
Yeah. Maybe just to amplify a little bit, one of the aspects of the business when you're constructing or financing assets on balance sheet, when they are constructed and producing cash flows, you can then go pursue financing on an asset basis. That's what we've done with power plants, other assets in the past. And so, one of the significant aspects of the business and the reason why the CapEx goes down so precipitously is that now that you are going from the construction phase to the operating phase, the financeability at attractive levels of those assets increases markedly. And so, if you look at the total CapEx that we've invested across the spectrum in the FLNG assets, it's the $1.3 billion in FLNG 1, it's the additional $0.5 billion or so in FLNGs 2 and 3. That complex in its entirety is then very financeable in terms of the incremental capital we need to complete 2 and 3 and thus the CapEx that needs to go into it is so low. So it appears to be a precipitous drop in CapEx. It actually is a precipitous drop in CapEx. When I say it's the apex, it truly is the apex of all this stuff. And as it converts now into income producing assets, very, very easy, very straightforward to finance. When you look at the LNG liquefier complexes, generally speaking, they are financed at approximately 80% loan to value. So if you look at Venture Global or Cheniere or any of these other complexes that are out there, they're highly debt financed on that side, while they're in construction. Those are supported by long term contracts which is – that's the that's the plus and minus for it. In our case, we have lots of downstream customers, now they support these assets. And the asset is essentially completed. So it makes the financeability of this extremely straightforward.
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Chris Robertson
Analyst
I guess final follow-up with this line of questioning is around – has there any been any cost savings, I guess, as the projects have come onshore rather than the offshore original proposal?
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Wesley Edens
Management
Yeah, no. Massive cost savings. The first of anything, you get the Pioneer premium [indiscernible]. But so the first asset, as Chris said, is $1.3 billion for a 1.4 million tonne liquefier for just under $1,000 a ton. For numbers 2 and 3 and onshore and utilizing the existing infrastructure, those costs go down fairly significantly.
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Yeah. So, on modules alone, we think the cost is down about $125 million to $150 million each. So that's $250 million across those two. And then onshore work, as you can imagine, is definitely cheaper to complete than the offshore stuff. We won't have any rig modifications or improvements to do here. And the site, as we talked about in the last call, is miraculous. This site has already had its geotech. It's had full berthing, tanks, everything you would need to really plug and play.
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Operator
Operator
Next, we'll hear from Mike Patterson at Morgan Stanley.
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Michael Patterson
Analyst
My question is regarding your preferred shares on Golar LNG, the 8.75s. Some time ago, these were delisted. They're currently not marginable. They can't be solicited. They traded on the Pink Sheets. And I'll give you an example. They traded about a 16% yield. Yesterday it was showing on the market about 14%. A trade went through at 11.5. And it just seems like quite a disservice to the shareholders of these preferreds to do that. Do you have any plans or what's your comments on these preferreds?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
This is Chris. Why don't you shoot me a note offline, and we can talk through this. We have put out this information publicly before and I'm happy to talk you through it. The financials are available. And we can go through it offline.
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Michael Patterson
Analyst
Well, with all due respect, for about three months, I've tried to call in, email and I never do get a return response on this. And so, can you address how come that they're not listed? And would you consider listing these shares?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Mike, so the shares are not listed. They were delisted when we took private the GMLP equity in 2021. We provide everything required for compliance with those shares. And we will continue to do so.
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Michael Patterson
Analyst
So you're just fine with them trading at $0.45 on the dollar and it's doing this to the shareholder. And like I say, I'd take it offline, but I can't ever get a call answered, responded to at all. But it sounds like you're just not going to do anything regarding them, right?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Mike, we're happy to look at what you're describing. But we stay in compliance with those shares. And we provide all the information that's required on a quarterly basis.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question will come today from Cameron Lochridge at Bank of America.
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Cameron Lochridge
Analyst
Congrats on getting everything in Puerto Rico set up. And sounds like FLNG 1s will be moving well. So congrats on that. I really just wanted to ask, wanted to circle back on the CapEx piece and unpack that a little bit. I understand there's some nuances with regards to maybe the financing of the CapEx to 2023 and 2024. But really, I just want to unpack the difference in messaging around last quarter's CapEx guidance and this quarter's. There's about $1 billion difference between what you were expecting last year – sorry, last quarter, and what you're expecting now for 2023 and 2024. So just help us walk through that delta there if you don't mind?
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Wesley Edens
Management
Yeah. I think, fundamentally, it's kind of what we were describing to the first question that Chris had. We believe that we're able to debt financed the balance of FLNG 2 and 3 construction using the invested capital that we've already put in place from 1 and 2 and 3. So I think it's just fundamentally a difference in the presentation quarter-over-quarter that this is showing that we are able to use the debt capacity [indiscernible].
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Christopher Guinta
Management
From a capital structure standpoint, if we look at page number 4, so you've got the total of $7 billion in balance sheet and infrastructure on the company right now. Of that, about $6 billion has been funded over the last few handful of years. So, massive amounts of infrastructure investment on balance sheet. As I said, the big difference really from a financing standpoint is that once assets go from construction projects to revenue producing, the financeability of them changes materially. And so, that's really why we now don't believe that we'll have material amounts of equity CapEx at all to invest going forward. We've already made the investment. They're now all turning into revenue producing assets. And with that, the financeability of them goes up substantially. And to give a little bit of context to just the quality of the business, $7 billion of infrastructure, which that's the core of the company, and producing $1.6 billion, and our forecast $2.4 billion, in EBITDA next year, that's roughly a 30-plus-percent infrastructure yield. To my knowledge, it's the best infrastructure yield on anything on any company I'm aware of in the world. Obviously, when you produce those kinds of revenues and long-term revenues and customer-facing revenues, the financeability of those projects goes up longer. And that's essentially what you're seeing play out in front of your eyes right now. That's why it's so transformational.
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Cameron Lochridge
Analyst
In other words, the $2.9 billion that was originally slated to be equity CapEx is now going to be $1.9 billion of equity CapEx and, call it, $1 billion of debt CapEx. Is that fair?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
That's exactly right.
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Cameron Lochridge
Analyst
Moving on to Puerto Rico, really disappointing 2024 guidance generally. Can you give us some context? Obviously, a lot coming online, especially in Puerto Rico, big back half last year. What should we be expecting as far as Puerto Rico's contribution to that $2.4 billion? And also Barcarena as well, what are we expecting there?
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Wesley Edens
Management
I'll let Brandon talk about Puerto Rico specifically. We don't provide specific guidance on a terminal or a country basis. Andrew walked through kind of what the volumetric capabilities are in each of these markets. But for a whole variety of reasons, we don't think it's appropriate to show margin market by market. That's not really a great idea for our counterparty's constituents. There's lots of different factors that apply to that. So I understand that that would be simpler and easier to model, and we appreciate that. But there's a host of other competing factors that make it not really possible. So you can see the volumes go through. Puerto Rico, in particular – and again, I'll let Brandon talk about this – but in the short term, the very short term – the short term power will actually be turned on. So Palo Seco plant is up and running. It's probably the most reliable power plant on the island right now. I think 99-plus-percent. So it's actually performing like gangbusters. The San Juan project is in the last handful of weeks from being COD and up and running as well. And then there's a whole host of other projects to follow. Maybe, Brandon, if you could talk about that a little.
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Unidentified Company Representative
Management
As Wes said, I think the way we think about it is we've got this amazing asset, which is the terminal in the north. We built it, anchored around the 300 megawatt power plant that's adjacent to it. But as Andrew referenced earlier, there's amazing, embedded capacity in the terminal for expansion and to support other projects. I think the best example is the 350 megawatts that we're currently installing on a two-year arrangement. And then as you can imagine, as the Puerto Rico assets that are installed today on island that are using HFO and distillates, as those retire and are replaced, then the terminal is there to support incremental power that develops over time. So the way to think about the Puerto Rico strategy evolving is it has a short term, intermediate term and then long term aspect. And over time, what you should expect is the incremental installed megawatts that are being fueled by some type of natural gas/hydrogen blend increases over time, so it hits your 3,700 megawatt peak demand even as your renewables and others come online. And again, 70% of the population lives in the San Juan metro area. The NFE terminal is the principal critical piece of infrastructure that sits in that region. So, all of that transition will pass in some way shape or form through that asset. And so, you should expect the contribution to grow over time.
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Wesley Edens
Management
As Brandon said, it is without a doubt, in our opinion, the largest energy transformation event in the world and it happens to be a commonwealth of United States. And so, they've got the capital available to do the right things. Right now, the island has got tremendous resources. It's an amazing place, but for the electricity and energy system. And so, at 630 times more likely for the power to shut off than would be if you lived in Miami or New York or Chicago, obviously, that's not the right answer. And we're very, very happy to be in the thick of it. We think that there's significant commercial opportunities as a result. But more importantly, there's just significant opportunities to do the right thing for Puerto Rico. I feel like it's got the potential to be Hawaii, except people don't pay taxes, right? So it's got tremendous commercial opportunities as an island and as a commonwealth. We feel very blessed to be there. And we really are in the thick of what is, without a doubt, the biggest energy transformation any market that we're aware of in the world. So there's a lot more to come in the next handful of months and years.
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Operator
Operator
Sam Burwell at Jefferies, you have our next question.
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Sam Burwell
Analyst
The CapEx has been fairly belabored at this point, but maybe ask from a balance sheet perspective. It seems like you're adding on a lot of debt. And I respect the fact that it's secured against these assets, but there's material amount of interest expense that's going to come with this. So, like, what are you comfortable with adding to the balance sheet in terms of debt? How much interest expense are you comfortable layering on? The EBITDA guidance has been lowered. So there's probably going to be free cash flow in the back half of the year if CapEx is pretty light, but how soon can we expect for genuine free cash flow generation, so that you guys can start paying down the revolver?
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Wesley Edens
Management
Immediately. You look at the balance sheet, it's actually an incredibly unleveraged balance sheet. So all of the assets that we have basically invested in, so the Brazilian assets, the liquefier, all the liquefier stuff that we're working on, that's all unleveraged. So you actually are talking about billions and billions of dollars of assets that are unleveraged on the balance sheet. And now that you are now putting them into revenue producing generation, you'll now start to put leverage against them. You say that there's a lot of debt and interest expense. I'm not aware of an asset-based infrastructure company as low leveraged as what we are on earth. So I actually think it's exactly the opposite way to describe. I think that the big use of capital during the building period has been the unleveraged use of equity capital to fund construction. We've done that on balance sheet. Right now, as these turn on, and literally the timeframe for them turning on is the next two weeks, four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, so it's an incredibly short period of time, you then will start to produce material amounts of cash flow. And with such little amounts of capital needed to go into CapEx, you should expect immediately for there to be deleveraging and cash flow to go to it. So, from a timing standpoint, we're halfway through roughly the third quarter right now, the fourth quarter and thereafter, we expect virtually all this stuff to be up and running. And so, you'll see immediate impacts on cash flow and deleveraging to the bottom line.
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Sam Burwell
Analyst
The follow-up would be just on the CapEx that was deployed in 2Q. It looks like that was – that $900 million? So, what comprised that number?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Yeah, it's predominantly FLNG 1, 2 and 3. That's the bulk of it.
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Wesley Edens
Management
Yeah, some capital in Puerto Rico. It's all these projects. We list all the projects. We show you what the capital is. The $3.2 billion in capital is out the door. So, it is ironic. I think it's literally the opposite of your question. It is the most unleveraged balance sheet that I'm aware of for an infrastructure company. And now that they're actual revenue producing, we're going to go put debt against them. The debt, actually, we can do so at very, very competitive levels, right? We've financed our Barcarena power plant, we've financed our power plant that we installed in Puerto Rico, and it's actually quite straightforward to produce revenue producing assets. It's hard to finance construction projects. That's why we've done it on balance sheet. And I think when you think about it, we've actually – from a standing start as a company, we've managed to build and invest $7 billion into infrastructure assets. That's what our balance sheet is. That is a foundational fortress like balance sheet to actually start with. And now you're going to put modest amounts of debt against it and bring all the cash flow to the bottom line. It's going to be – I've used the word many times. It is transformational in terms of the financial picture of the company going forward, and it's going to happen right now.
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Operator
Operator
Our next question today comes from the line of Martin Malloy at Johnson Rice.
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Martin Malloy
Analyst
I was wondering if you could broadly talk about the Brazil terminal and commercial opportunities to put additional volumes through those terminals and maybe the timing of potential announcements around that.
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Christopher Guinta
Management
Barcarena is mechanically complete. We will COD in Q4 of this year and we'll immediately start up a contract with Norsk Hydro. We see some material expansion opportunities right at the port, which will actually be very accretive to the kind of EBITDA and operating margin of the terminal. There's four other customers, a little bit smaller than Norsk Hydro, but still meaningful for us, that can connect to our pipeline. We hope to find agreements with those guys over the next few months. Beyond that, we would obviously hope to expand our volumes to Norsk Hydro over time, and that's still the biggest alumina refinery in the world. We're obviously providing volumes for their alumina refining process, so calcination and to fire their boilers, but there's a lot more growth we can do with them, both on the sort of process side, as well as on the power side. So definitely more to do there. And then, we're 20% complete on our 600 megawatt combined cycle power plant. We have another parcel of land there, which effectively could accommodate another over 600 megawatts. There's some exciting power options coming up in Brazil, kind of various flavors, some that are more capacity based, some that are more energy based, but they're all kind of interesting for that site. And so, we see a ton of avenue for growth there. There's also sort of regional growth. There's a few power auctions coming up in Brazil for kind of regional capitals to bring gas in the form of gas to power projects. We think Barcarena is sort of the sole import point in that northern region of Brazil. It's really the interesting place to import gas and then distribute it throughout the region. So, a lot happening in Barcarena. And always, that…
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Wesley Edens
Management
Yeah. The other thing which we don't probably do enough of that is talking about the real impact that we have on the environment with the projects that we have. The Barcarena plant, which is again next to Norsk Hydro, the biggest aluminum smelter in the world, Norsk Hydro, I believe, is the largest buyer of oil in South America. And essentially what you're going to do is turn off the oil and turn on the gas. And by doing so, they will save billions of dollars in fuel costs. And they will save thousands and thousands of tons of CO2. We look across the portfolio, something we've talked about doing, and I'll make an effort to get this out and on there, we have saved our customers billions and billions of dollars. The impact of a country like Jamaica switching into natural gas versus diesel the last number of years, the impact of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the country of Mexico, delivered diesel into these countries is roughly 2x the price of delivered gas is. So it's billions and billions of dollars to these countries. And in many cases, their cost of fuel is their number one cost as a country. So, A, we've saved tremendous amounts of money by investing this critical infrastructure and getting the countries. B, we've made them much, much more environmentally friendly. And of course, we all want zero carbon. That's what everyone in the world wants. We want that as well. And that's a big part of our hydrogen initiatives and others, but this is a major, major stepping stone to doing so. Last thing and I just want to get back to the whole question on the finance of the infrastructure. The average infrastructure company, so a data center company, a…
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Martin Malloy
Analyst
Just as a follow-up. I did want to ask about the hydrogen strategy and maybe if you could give us a flavor for the level of interest from industrial customers in terms of offtake potential for these projects. I know your first project is surrounded by industrial customers and also I know Entergy has got a power plant that talks about using hydrogen down there.
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Ken Nicholson
Analyst
Martin, it's Ken Nicholson here. I'll take that question. We actually included a few slides in the appendix of the materials. I think hydrogen broadly is something we're going to be talking more and more about as we make our way through the remainder of 2023 because there's a there's a lot going on. Beaumont is doing great. You mentioned it. Yes, huge market. One of the biggest markets for hydrogen demand. So it's a great place for us to start our first facility. I would say the commercial conversations are going extremely well. Our deal with our technology provider is set for 100 megawatts of equivalent hydrogen production. Under that deal, we have an option to expand to 200 megawatts. I would say it is extremely likely that we will be exercising that option to expand. There's plenty of land available for the expansion. And there's a heck of a lot of demand. The demand is coming from refineries and clean fuel producers, petrochemical companies and other consumers of hydrogen. The site that we are building on in Beaumont is on a nexus of multiple pipeline systems, including several hydrogen pipes. And so we have low cost distribution to the entire Beaumont/Port Arthur market. So going very well. That's step one in Beaumont. At the same time, we're progressing a number of new facilities focused on the Northeastern US, Pacific Northwest, and an additional site on the Gulf Coast, not that far from Beaumont. Look, I think, good progress being made. This really should be the largest pure play green hydrogen business and a first mover in what's an incredibly dynamic sector.
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Operator
Operator
And we'll hear from Ryan Levine at Citi.
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Ryan Levine
Analyst
I have just one clarifying question. What's driving your SG&A assumptions in your forecast time period? And what are the drivers of any variance to that?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
The SG&A assumptions are all being driven by kind of an organic grounds up look at the businesses. When you start a business, Ryan, from scratch and you build up the capabilities we've got, you bring a lot of people, you bring a lot of systems, a lot of process. And then, over time, you have a real chance to go back and reset it and kind of validate how you're organized, how you do things, what the costs are, et cetera. And we feel like there are a significant potential for savings in our processes just as we mature as a company. I think actually the move into Puerto Rico for Genera and the associated people that are down there is also another big factor for us where we've got now a big operating company that's essentially a power company. So many of our activities in terms of back office and whatnot, we think we can rationalize and centralize that. We just feel like there's a tremendous amount of potential in terms of normalizing that. And as you move out of this phase of this significant infrastructure spend – and again, $6 billion or $7 billion in infrastructure spend in a handful of years, obviously, there's a tremendous amount of building activity that goes on. That now goes down precipitously. And with that comes down a lot of costs and one off costs and everything else. And so, you really can rationalize it. And I think that you'll see, certainly, next year for us much more lean and refined SG&A process that actually generates the same kind of results and much, much lower costs.
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Ryan Levine
Analyst
Is there a certain region within the company that has the biggest opportunity to streamline or cut some of those costs?
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Christopher Guinta
Management
It's really in the operation side. If you think about it, you've got people who operate power plants and people who operate terminals and people who operate logistics stuff. And as you get more scale, in each of these sectors, there should be a lot of cost efficiencies that come into it. And that's exactly what we think is going to happen. It's probably the biggest single cost that, I think, is inefficient, but it's just the nature of how you grow the business is on the shipping side because you need a lot of ships to provide the logistics that we've got. As we build out these new terminals in Brazil, as we actually modify and improve our terminal in Puerto Rico, you take out massive cost savings just by simply being more efficient in how you use those ships. So I wish that it was easier to do from a standing start, which is the reality of it. And my experience is that you need to build it up and be operationally efficient. And then you need to really kind of optimize, and that's the phase that we're going through. And I think you're going to see over the next couple of quarters really, really significant changes in SG&A and significant changes of the shipping side as we get more efficient of those two areas.
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Operator
Operator
And that is our final question from our audience today. Mr. Pipitone, I will turn it back to you, sir, for any additional or closing remarks that you have.
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Chance Pipitone
Management
Perfect. Thank you, Jim. And thank you everyone for joining us today. We remain available as always to answer questions. If you please contact the investor relations team at ir@newfortnessenergy.com. Thank you. And enjoy the rest of the day.
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Wesley Edens
Management
Great. Thanks, everyone.
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Operator
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. And we do thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.