Rodrigo Cammarosano
Analyst
Thank you, operator. We have a question from Matias Moreira from Bradesco BBI. Actually, there are 2 questions. The first one, if you could provide a bit more color on zinc and copper demand fundamentals for 2023? And then the second question would be about Aripuanã. What is the current capacity that -- I mean, the running rate capacity of Aripuanã currently?
José Carlos del Valle Castro: I'll start with the second question, which is very straightforward. Current capacity at Aripuanã is between 60% and 70%. And we're looking optimistically at the evolution of the stability of the plant. In regards to the first question, as I mentioned during the presentation, we believe that there's very strong fundamentals, both for copper and zinc. Definitely, copper more visibility and it's more talked out. But zinc is also a very important metal, obviously, in relation to infrastructure, just as copper, but also in the energy transition, as it is used for energy storage for solar power, for wind power.
So it's more under-the-radar metal that is also very important in the energy transition, together with copper. On the demand side, therefore, there are very strong fundamental. And on the supply side, as you know, copper grades continue to decline in general. It takes longer to bring up a new mining operation, whether it's copper or zinc due to environmental standards, social consultation that has to be carried out ahead of time. So it takes longer. It's more costly because prices -- or the costs have gone up as well.
So you require higher prices to have the right incentives to invest in new projects. So taking all those into consideration, we continue to believe that these are very strong fundamentals. Obviously, there can be temporary volatility. But overall, the medium to long term, we are very comfortable.