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National CineMedia, Inc. (NCMI)

Q1 2021 Earnings Call· Mon, May 10, 2021

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Operator

Operator

Good day and welcome to the National CineMedia, Incorporation First Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ted Watson, Senior Vice President of Finance. Please go ahead.

Ted Watson

Analyst

Thank you, Matt, and good afternoon everyone. I am joined today by our CEO, Tom Lesinski. I'd like to remind our listeners that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended, and Section 21E of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934, as amended. All statements, including our discussion about the future impacts of COVID-19 other than statements of historical facts communicated during this conference call may constitute forward-looking statements. These forward looking statements involve risks and uncertainties. Important factors that can cause actual results to differ materially from the Company's expectations are disclosed in the risk factors contained in the Company's filings with the SEC. All forward-looking statements are expressly qualified and in their entirety by such factors. Further, our discussion today includes some non-GAAP measures. On accordance with Regulation G, we have reconciled these amounts back to the closest gap basis measurement. These reconciliations can be found at the end of today's earnings release or on the Investor Relations page of our website at ncm.com. And now, I'll turn the call over to Tom.

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Thank you, Ted, and good afternoon everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2021 earnings call. I hope you're all continuing to stay safe and healthy as spring brings a period of recovery. Our companies as an industry are continuing to slow but steady recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic. During these early stages of the recovery, there are many indications that consumer demand is coming back and Cinemark will continue to be an important launching pad for films. More than half of all adults in the U.S. now having had their first vaccine shot and movie audiences are expanding across the country with the strong opening weekends of Godzilla vs. Kong, Mortal Kombat and Demon Slayer. These encouraging trends and the recent positive outlooks of Cinemark and AMC all supported we've been saying since the pandemic started, that there's a strong pent up consumer demand, take it back to the unique social experience of the big screen. In fact, some recent disappointing day and date streaming results have many content producers now considering the reestablishment of a new kind of exclusive theatrical window to help launch their films and other scripted content into the streaming services. With these positive trends as a backdrop, I'd like to now providing high level update on the steps we've taken to position our company to quickly restart and diversify our cinema ad business. While at the same time maintaining our liquidity position as we need the ongoing challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic, ted will then provide more detail and how we continue to manage our operating costs and our overall liquidity to ensure that our team is prepared to quickly benefits of the incredible movie slate backlog that will begin to drive movie audiences back to theaters this summer. And then as always, we'll…

Ted Watson

Analyst

Thank you, Tom. As we begin to emerge from the COVID-19 pandemic, we are seeing encouraging signs that our business is positioned for a strong recovery in the second half of 2021. As our network was still significantly impacted in Q1 with only 60% of our network theaters open and attendance down was 90% year-over-year, we recorded only $5.4 million in Q1 revenue down 92% for the comparable quarter last year. Given the continued significant impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our business throughout the current quarter and analysis of our revenue and adjusted with us in Q1 versus prior periods is not meaningful. As you will recall the pandemic only impacted the last few weeks of Q1 2020 thus current quarter results do not clearly represent our ongoing business. As such, I will focus much of my comments today on our current liquidity position, our continued success and limiting our monthly cash burn rate, as well as providing some additional thoughts on how we see our business recovering through the remainder of 2021. With the lack of any meaningful in theater advertising total Q1 adjusted OEBITDA was negative $16.2 million. As has been the case the last few quarters, the combination of our highly variable operating cost structure and our proactive overhead cost reductions have allowed us to limit or OEBITDA losses in the current quarter and during the entire pandemic. Our Q1 average cash burn rate was approximately $10 million per month versus $11 million and $12 million in Q4 and Q3 of 2020, respectively. A significant amount of our operating cost reductions has been related to personnel. During Q1, over 75% of our employee base continue to be furloughed or had salary reductions of up to 50%, these cost reduction measures reduce our core operating expense in…

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Eric Wold with B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead.

Eric Wold

Analyst

A couple of questions. Just one, when we noted that some of the advertisers are kind of on the sidelines waiting for audiences to return kind of quote on a national scale, can you maybe define that a little bit more in terms of what they're looking for in terms of the markets open, maybe average capacity, what was kind of guiding their decisions there?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Yes, I don't think actually they are any longer looking for any more data. What they know now with almost 80% of our network open and with three movies that have opened well, I think it's just a matter not so much of the restrictions or the audio levels, it's really just getting another couple of movies under our belt. But we're already seeing a lot of activity post just in the last week or two with more and more theaters opening. So, candidly, it's just a matter of time and I think a relatively short period of time based on the amount of meetings, RFPs and discussions that we're having. I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the attendance levels right now. We just need to stitch together a couple of more movies which is going to happen right here towards Memorial Day in the next few weeks. And then we should be off and running, looking really towards, June, being, and July being important months, for the growth in the revenue side.

Eric Wold

Analyst

Got it. And you noted that the majority of Q4, the revenue driven by scatter. How would you balance wanting to entice advertisers back into the scatter market, with not wanting to drop CPMs to a point where they're not recoverable?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

This is a funny. It's funny because I asked this question all the time to our sales team and candidly there is no issue with clients and agencies looking for discounts. It's purely about just making sure that they're comfortable with their release schedule and that are comfortable candidly with what's going on in terms of theater going. And all of that looks very positive. There has not been any meaningful discussions or even asks on the discounting of CPM. So we've built a premium CPM business over the last 21 years, and we plan on continuing to do that. So, we're not in the discount business academy, we don't have to be and we haven't been asked to be.

Eric Wold

Analyst

And then final question, anything more you can talk about what the movies, if you get data agreement terms of what level of data is coming to you in terms of what you had to give up in return for that?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Well, we made an economic licensing agreement to get better data. We're not going to disclose the specifics of that agreement. But it was a market based deal and an arm's length deal to get data from a third-party. I think it's important when you look at the quality of the data, to get information about movie theater goers in detail. Already wedded to the amount of data we've been getting ourselves. We believe will have the best cinema data business around and we plan on continuing this business and going to other third parties, and possibly other exhibitors to strengthen that data. But it's really providing two benefits. One is providing a significant additional piece of data for our salespeople to use when they go on making a pitch. And having that kind of data in the same way that Facebook and Google and others do and having deep knowledge about our consumer is really critical not just to maintaining CPM is, but growing CPM and growing the interest level, in our additional by. So we're really excited about the database, since it's about a year and a half old now. It's growing as fast as we would have thought it would. But candidly, I would say that the quality of the data has gotten even better than we really plan to when we first set out to do this.

Operator

Operator

Our next question will come from Mike Hickey with The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Just curious on your commentary on guidance improved by the end of '21, you expect to be trending back towards '19 revenue levels. Can you help size that a bit is that sort of implying that '22 is going to look like '19 on revenue? And you think it will be 70%, 80% there, I think just sort of double click on that commentary help supermodels that appreciate that?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Well, I'm going to lead heading into this as soon as I just say in general. We feel relatively confident and optimistic based on all the things that are happening in the marketplace, that towards the end of Q4, we'll start getting closer and closer to where we were in '19. I'm not going to give you a specific percentage today. I think it'd be appropriate for our next call, in the summer. But Ted, if you want to opine on that a little more feel free to.

Ted Watson

Analyst

Mike, it's clearly way too early to talk about 2022. I think for Q4 '21 really, what underpins our belief that we can start trending towards the back 2019 levels is the movie slate. So I think we've been encouraged by what we've seen to date with people coming back to the movie theaters and our assumption is more and more people will continue to get vaccinated restrictions will be lifted and then with the movie slate. I've seen everything from an optimistic projection that people thank you for attendance can be flat or in line with 2019. I've seen projections that maybe attendance is down 10% to 20%, right. But either way, I think it's expected that it's going to be a strong quarter. So our belief is assuming that plays out on the attendance sides. And as Tom said, with the upfront discussions we're having, we do need to close a significant amount of upfront business, but we're feeling good about that. And if those two things can happen, we're feeling pretty good that as we exit 2021, we seem to be getting back towards the 2019 levels.

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

I think the other thing I would add, as a relatively new piece of data is the government recently, literally today approved the vaccine for-12 to 15-year olds and as we are one of the leaders in delivering millennial Gen Z and teens, to advertisers. As that vaccine rolls out to that core teenage audience, we know that they're very highly indexing movie goers in that teenage group. And now that they're able to get vaccinated beginning immediately that will only help us bring more advertisers and more confidence to our great platform.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Nice. Thank you for that. I'm curious on the national side, when you look at sort of the top CMI markets. And how's the recoveries in there I guess specifically, I'm guessing, it's now happening, but curious, your view they're needing more broadly, where you're seeing the strongest recovery and attendance is purely just sort of virus related, or if it has to do with how long the theaters have been open, or if it's slate just sort of pockets of strength that you see across your network? And then specifically, what's happening in your top your main markets with national offices?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

I can try to give you some specifics around that. But I think it's relatively intuitive, that the markets that opened the major markets that opened later obviously are not doing as well as the ones that have been open for a while. So you think what's been going on in the southwest and in the south, where markets like Miami and Dallas and Houston, have been far less restricted, then New York and Los Angeles and San Francisco. So I think, generally speaking, at least during this in this current COVID era, it's been the markets that haven't been restricted. We have seen a really great response though, already in theater attendance levels in New York, and Chicago, and recently in Los Angeles. So as these restrictions have opened up, we're seeing an immediate impact in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago, which are obviously the three biggest markets in our network. So for the past three months, it's mostly been the southeast and southwest. But I think now, just in the past month or so, all the major markets, particularly New York generally have recovered nicely.

Mike Hickey

Analyst

Maybe last question for me, another very bullish commentary and guidance, listen to the cash flow positive here in the third quarter. What's your view on capacity constraints and how will that influence your ability to be cash flow positive? And should we be looking to sort of feeling that 70% level? Or can you think he can be there as sort of an average 50%? Maybe even other data as it relates to utilization CPM attendance in that third quarter? I know, I heard the 50% of revenue that seems to Google that sort of some of the deeper metrics would be interesting. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Ted, do you want to cover that one?

Ted Watson

Analyst

Yes, I would say, for my capacity restrictions, in many places already well, above 50%. But, we could be at 50% or better it, I think that allows us to be able to deliver on that. I think it was AMC that set on their earnings call the other day that, in 2019, they only utilize like 20% of their network over the course of the year. So, even with 50%, there's clearly, plenty availability, you might run into it on an opening weekend of a temple that, but generally, I think we're fine there. Again, without giving guidance, as Tom said, I don't see CPMs being an issue. I think it's just going to be the ability to close on the scatter business Q3 in particular. Q4 will have the benefit of the upfront, but I think Q3 will be driven by the scattered market. But the one other point I would highlight that I want to emphasize, and I said it in the script is we'll be cash flow neutral from an accrual basis. And so, by that, I mean, clearly, if we get to 50% of the revenue, we're better on the P&L, but again, we call from a working capital perspective, it takes about 90 days to collect revenue. So, even if you're 50% revenue, by late Q3, it's still going to be Q4 before you start collecting that cash. So I would, caution folks not to assume that cash starts to build in Q3, it probably would bottom out in Q4 and then begin to build from there?

Mike Hickey

Analyst

One quick one, last one, in terms of ag for categories bleeding you out auto, i.e., I think is pretty important fourth quarter. It looks like maybe that's challenged this fourth quarter compared to the others, given the chip shortage, issue from supply. You also mentioned, maybe some new categories. Can you just give us sort of a brief look at the mix that you'd expect in the fourth quarter and late into '22?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

So the biggest category is still the entertainment category, particularly the streaming companies. Including those who were both in social media, but also in streaming and they've been a core advertiser for us through the pandemic. And we're in the upfront and having to continue to be supportive. Insurance, I would say is probably the next big category that's been supportive. QSR and then, of course, after that, probably CPG automotive and alcoholic beverages, not every automotive company is going to chip shortages. Some are and some aren't. We have deals on the books with automotive companies right now. And we expect to have more of those as the chip shortage gets cleared up. I think we've been fortunate particularly to have long standing relationships in all the major categories. And I think thanks to the team we have with cliff and Scott leaving it, that those relationships have continued. There's not a category that we've been in for the past decade. That's not going to be with us during the reopening in the second half. And I think we've had some really pleasant surprises on local. At least now, which has been, the heavy interest we've gotten from the lottery in most local markets, particularly for our digital business.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question will come from Jim Goss with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Let me start with the notion of premium experiences IMAX in particular and PLF have an over indexing with yearly screenings. And I'm wondering what that impact might be and semi as a recall. You don't necessarily have the same degree of exposure in IMAX and maybe have more in the PLF experiences? But that would disappear to blockbusters I'm just wondering how that might influence your business?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

So, Jim, I can't tell you off the top of my head what percent of our network is in those widescreen or larger screen formats. I can tell you that we get paid based on attendance and whether someone attends a larger screen format or a smaller screen or medium screen, we count all those eyeballs are the same. So as theater goers return and if more index to the larger screen formats will benefit from that. And if people choose to go to other size normal formats will benefit as well. So regardless of the consumer choice or what might be sort of trending we get credit for that and will be rewarded for that.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay, you're going to see they don't really see the ads because you had been shown in the screen?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

What all depends, you know, some of the large screen formats do show advertising and some don't. So it really depends. Certainly I can I'll, when I talk to you later, I'll try to pull what percent of our screens fall in the category you're talking about. But we haven't noticed anything so far as it relates to attendance being different, but we're certainly look into it.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Coke and PSA ad, how long before those there's a renewal and either of those categories? And are you performing things here?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Just for clarity, so the Coke relationship or Pepsi, or whatever the beverage relationship really is one that is both negotiated and controlled by the exhibitors. And we certainly get a share of that revenue. As they're released, the length of time of those contracts some the negotiation that's something I don't have visibility to. It's really what our core founding members do with those key beverage companies. The PSA inventory is the exhibitor decides what they're going to do, often on a local or national basis. And those are not paid inventory. So it's effectively not an impact on our revenue.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay. You brought up the lifestyle inventory I wonder if you had any guidance about presales with any of those ads, the premium ads?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Without getting specific, I can tell you that there's a lot of interest in our post show and plan of inventory. I think when the next earnings call rolls around we'll be able to give you more specific visibility on that. But it would be premature to do that on this call. So if you're just patient for a few months, we can give you more visibility on that.

Ted Watson

Analyst

And Jim, this is Ted. Just to circle back to your first question on premium formats. We do serve ads on IMAX screens and other premium formats. So that's not an issue.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay. I was just trying to recall, I had noticed someone sent to me and I couldn't think they were part of developments.

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Very few theaters that don't show advertising in them, our quite was one of them. But the vast majority of exhibitors across all of the spectrum in entertainment are carrying advertising in the pre show or post show.

Jim Goss

Analyst

Okay. Last one. When TV broadcasters overtime some of their pricing has gotten better as their audiences gotten smaller because it was still the only way to reach a mass market. I'm wondering if that phenomenon, if you have premium advertising, even if it's not as big as it was, it's still bigger than you might have otherwise and that could help your pricing. Have you seen that occur?

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Let me follow that, Ted. Did you -- if you call that you could answer it or and some ask Jim just to expand.

Ted Watson

Analyst

Yes, Jim, I'm not sure. Did you expand on that?

Jim Goss

Analyst

Well, I just said overtime again in some of the upfront for example, some of the upfront pricing has increased at the network level, even when the audience levels declined because they were still a bigger audience if you could get otherwise and that sort of offset some of the decline in the absolute size of the audience. And I just wondered if there's any of best phenomenon during scarcity with involving scarcity value this helps pricing when your theaters even when you have less.

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Over the pandemic period that hasn't been the case. What I can say is as we go into the new upfront, television upfront in Q4, we're just starting now where we'll be anxious to see what the reaction is like as to our pricing strategy. As you know, we've got some of the most expensive CPMs in the industry far more expensive in many cases than network television and broadcast cable. In the television world of scarcity has certainly driven CPMs up, just because Canada, there isn't enough impressions to go around. So it's a supply and demand situation. But we're confident that we'll be able to take advantage of the lack of GRPs because of televisions under performance as we go through the next six months of scatter upfront.

Ted Watson

Analyst

Jim, I would just add that to your question on television, CPMs to the extent that television that's seeing a dramatic increase, it certainly doesn't hurt us. It's one of those that rising tide lifts all ships. So from that perspective, we'll see what we get as we get into the upfront, but from a pricing perspective, I certainly help provided tailwind.

Operator

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Lesinski for any closing remarks.

Tom Lesinski

Analyst

Thank you. As I mentioned previously, we're very well positioned for the future as we leave a difficult last year behind us and focus on the opportunities ahead, as the COVID-19 vaccine rolls out and accelerates and as the country begins to reopen in earnest and theater ads is returned. All of our research indicates strong consumer demand to see films on the big screen once again. And with all the 2020 films launch delays, the 2021 film say looks to be the strongest in years. So despite the challenges of the last year, the hard work of our team to expand our cinema network, strengthen our digital offerings and initiatives and begin to diversify our advertising impressions base, these are very optimistic about capturing additional video advertising market share, as declining TV GRPs and make our young audience even more attractive to media buyers. I'd like to thank our senior management team and staff and once again for all the hard working efforts during these difficult times and to thank our shareholders and lenders for their support and patience as well. We truly appreciate your joining us on the call and hope that everyone continues to stay safe and healthy. I look forward to seeing you soon again at the movies. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.