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National Bank Holdings Corporation (NBHC)

Q1 2014 Earnings Call· Fri, Apr 25, 2014

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Operator

Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the National Bank Holdings Corporation 2013 First Quarter Earnings Call. My name is Mike, and I’ll be your conference operator for today. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would like to remind you that this conference call will contain forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the company’s loans and loan growth, deposits, strategic capital, potential income streams, gross margin, taxes and noninterest expense. Actual results could differ materially from those discussed today. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, which are disclosed in more detail in the company’s most recent filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. These statements speak only as of the date of this call, and National Bank Holdings Corporation undertakes no obligation to update or revise these statements. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over and introduce National Bank Holdings Corporation’s President and CEO, Mr. Tim Laney.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Thank you, Mike. Good day, and thank you for joining National Bank Holdings’ 2014 First Quarter Earnings Call. I have with me our Chief Financial Officer Brian Lilly; and Rick Newfield, our Chief Risk Management Officer. On this call, we'll share our observations on the first quarter, we will share some thoughts on our outlook, and we’ll also take a deeper dive into the solid credit quality of our originated loan portfolio, as well as review the strong performance of the acquired nonstrategic portfolio. As you may have read, our year-over-year first quarter loan originations increased 98.4%, and we entered the second quarter with a new record high for our pipeline. As Rick will share with you in detail, the originated loan portfolio continues to perform very well on all fronts. During the quarter, we also grew low-cost transaction deposits and entered the second quarter with solid momentum on this front as well. We were not pleased with the decline during the quarter in banking-related noninterest income. As we have developed higher-quality depository relationships with our clients, we have seen a decline in our overdraft fee income, but the unusual issue during the quarter was a decline in debit card exchange income. I will share with you that our day count analysis here in April suggests solid improvement in that area. We also continue to make progress on the productivity front, having reduced operating expenses 3.6% from the prior quarter. With regard to capital management, we bought in another 1% of our outstanding shares during the quarter at a weighted average price of $19.35. These repurchases increased our cumulative repurchases to 15.1%. Given our strong belief that we are on a path to delivering a 1% return on the assets, we believe there are few better actions we can take…

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Thank you, Tim. I will first cover our originated portfolio with respect to our first quarter fundings and then summarize our excellent credit quality. I’ll also discuss our continued success in reducing nonstrategic loans at a rapid pace while delivering outcomes better than our original marks. Our originated loan portfolio totaled $1.26 billion at March 31, 2014, an increase of 60.5% over December 31, 2013, an annualized growth rate of 66%. We delivered these impressive results while remaining disciplined in our underwriting and credit structuring. Furthermore, we continue to build our loan portfolio with a granular mix of consumer and commercial loan types. Credit quality remains excellent, as nonaccruals were at just 9 basis points of the originated loan book. As Tim said, our first quarter fundings of $217 million representing 98% increase over first quarter 2013. Commercial originations of $186 million were granular, maintaining trends from 2013, with average fundings of $980,000. 84% of these originations were commercial industrial, owner-occupied real estate and agricultural loans. In addition to our disciplined approach to underwriting individual loans, we have in place industry sector and credit type limits to ensure that our loan portfolio remains diversified. For example, no individual commercial industry sector can have a greater concentration than 15% of our total loan commitments, and less favored industry sectors are 5% or less. Consumer loans originations of $31 million were primarily composed of high-quality residential mortgage loans. We are seeing a 50:50 mix of purchase and refinance purposes. Nevertheless, our first quarter originations had an average loan-to-value of 65%. We continue to underwrite to prudent standards, with average FICO scores of 763. During the first quarter, we began to ramp up small business calling and corresponding loan origination through our banking centers. We expect this activity to increase through the year…

Brian Lilly

Analyst

Thank you, Rick, and good morning, everyone. I will share some additional thoughts on the quarter, as well as provide an update on our guidance for 2014. Before going too far, I should point out that inherent within our 2014 guidance are economic assumptions consistent with the current outlook of leading economists, which includes generally stable short-term interest rates and slightly improving business and consumer outlooks. As Tim and Rick have shared, we’re pleased with the first quarter results. As we continue to add to our organic growth, manage nonstrategic assets for increasing returns, continue excellent credit quality and manage expenses lower, we're moving the financial levers in a positive direction. Of particular importance is that we achieved a key objective this quarter by stabilizing net interest income, which is an important progression point in the development of our company. The increasing income from loan originations is offsetting the decrease in income from higher-yielding purchased loan. Recall that this was part of our guidance last quarter. Given the stability of the net interest income representing 85% of our revenue stream, the large negative impacts from the FDIC accounting and problem asset costs jumped off the page. One analysis that we use to evaluate the progress of our building efforts is -- and to get more insight into the financial results that are expected to emerge over time is to exclude the impact of the FDIC indemnification asset amortization, FDIC loss sharing income and the large expense related to OREO and problem loan workouts, which can be seen in our non-GAAP reconciliation on Page 16 of the earnings release. These items negatively impacted the first quarter by a net $0.12 per share. Driven by the expiration of the FDIC loss sharing agreements over the next few years and the decreasing problem…

Tim Laney

Analyst

Thanks, Brian. Well, as you have heard, we believe we are well on our way to achieving our goal of producing a 1% return on tangible assets. We also believe we have multiple options for achieving an attractive return on equity, including, of course M&A, stock repurchases and/or dividends. But I can't stress enough that these options only work when we deliver solid organic growth, and we believe we’re doing just that. Mike, on that point, we are ready to open up the line for questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from Paul Miller with FBR Capital Markets.

Paul Miller

Analyst

Can you talk a little bit about the loan growth in the various portfolio?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Paul, this is Rick Newfield. So as I indicated with the origination volume, most of our growth in the first quarter came from a mix of C&I, owner-occupied real estate, agriculture and non-owner-occupied commercial real estate. The greatest growth rate was in fact in commercial, followed by CRE and owner-occupied CRE. Consumer was relatively stable as originations, as I said, were $31 million. And we had normal amortizations in the portfolio.

Paul Miller

Analyst

And then in your two cities, where you’re making your footprint, are you seeing increased demand for loans? Because I know a lot of banks, I guess, in certain -- especially in the energy states are seeing -- they are talking very positive about future loan growth in the next couple quarters. Are you seeing the same thing?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Paul, we are -- I would describe it this way. We are incredibly fortunate to be operating in the state of Colorado. This state is performing well across all sectors, and the good news is it’s well-diversified growth. It's not necessarily all energy-related. We just see a very strong business climate, a strong entrepreneurial spirit and just -- it’s a perfect market for an institution focused on small and medium-sized businesses. I would say that when you think about Kansas City, Overland Park, it's never going to be -- I shouldn't say never, but today, it's certainly not a grand slam kind of hitter. It’s not going to knock it out of the park. But very solid singles and doubles, very, very good business. And I would say, while it may not be the Babe Ruth, it's never going to lose the game for us either. And then, interestingly enough, we do have a small presence in Dallas and Austin, Texas. And once again, while I think we generally, when we -- a lot of us think about Texas, we think energy. But while we don't see ourselves acquiring anything in Texas, we will continue to support the build-out of the teams there organically because they're just very strong business climates. And so, across the board, we benefit from a rising tide. We’re in good markets. And as much as we would just like to say it's about us being good, we certainly benefit from strong markets.

Paul Miller

Analyst

And then on the capital management, I don’t know if you’ve addressed this in the past, but have you ever considered a dividend, or is that too early for that?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

It's a great question. We certainly considered it. But our conviction still is that there will be opportunities around M&A. We’re not exactly sitting on our hands until that happens. We also believe that, for the long-term investor, there's a much more attractive option to a special dividend, and that is buying in our own shares at attractive prices. And we will continue to do that, and should we ever get to a point where we just -- we declare that M&A, given pricing issues, were out of the question, there is a point where a special dividend would make sense. I think it's a very fair and good question.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Chris McGratty with KBW.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Brian, just to make sure I heard the expenses, $38 million to $39 million next quarter, that excludes kind of the couple of million dollars of low-cap cost [ph]. Is that right? Did I hear you right?

Brian Lilly

Analyst · KBW.

Yes. The operating cost of $38 million to $39 million, and then the other guidance was that $10 million for the problem loan and OREO cost for the year. Those are separate, mutually exclusive.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Tim, on the change in M&A strategy, you talked about the size $500 million to $5 billion. That, to me, suggests you guys may be willing to do an MOE. But I'm more interested in just kind of the comments about the privately held institution. Maybe I am not thinking about it the right way, but how does looking at privately held institutions affect the valuation that you ultimately pay? I understand the public versus -- public currency, but won't those shareholders of a privately held banks want, presumably, a decent premium to book value if they're healthy?

Tim Laney

Analyst · KBW.

Yes, I mean, the key is a decent. And I also think there is a liquidity discount between a publicly traded and a private company. And what we found in the work that we’re doing is that the privately held institutions have more flexibility to think about pricing and the long-term impact versus the day 1 premium they deliver.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

Now given this new comment about privately held, does that suggest that you may be closer to something? Or is this kind of everything's on the table for the next year or 2?

Rick Newfield

Analyst · KBW.

I can’t comment.

Christopher McGratty

Analyst · KBW.

I guess maybe I'll ask one more question, then I'll jump back out. It's been 1.5 years since the IPO. How are you thinking about the timing if it doesn't work? I know you talked about a special dividend and you couldn’t find the deal, what about other -- flipping the switch on M&A and kind of partnering with somebody else that's a little bit larger? How are you guys thinking about that?

Rick Newfield

Analyst · KBW.

Look, we are going to remain very focused on building an attractive bank. We think we’re just doing that. And ultimately, our personal interests are very aligned with all other investors, and we’re going to be focused on doing what is right for our investors.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Olney with Stephens.

Matt Olney

Analyst · Stephens.

Looks like there were some positive trends in the net interest margin. Can you talk more about your outlook on the margin?

Brian Lilly

Analyst · Stephens.

Matt, as you can imagine, we first focused on net interest income. And the guidance I provided on that was purposeful, that kind of that level to slightly increasing from here. But in that remixing strategy that I began sharing with you in January and again today, we are moving earning asset concentrations. And what happened in the first quarter from -- that resulted in the 16 basis points widening of the margin is we reduced the 25 basis point earner in the interest-bearing deposits with banks, short-term investments. And so you saw that impact there where the underlying net interest income was relatively flat. So given that flatness and the runoff of the higher-yielding of purchased assets, we’re going to see that margin contract just a little bit, marginally, if you will, as you go forward. But the net interest income is really where we’re focused and to building that return on tangible assets. Hopefully, that helps you a little bit. Let me just add that the cash part, we have a plan for that cash part to come down a little bit, also, as we go forward.

Operator

Operator

The next question is from Tim O’Brien with Sandler O’Neill. Tim O’Brien: Just one bit of feedback comment. Tim, thanks for the color on M&A strategy. The update was clear and helpful, so appreciate that. And then, so regarding originations, can you -- and this is kind of piggybacking on what Paul was talking about. Do you have originations by Colorado versus Kansas City MSA you could break out for me? Total originations, not on a segment basis.

Brian Lilly

Analyst

Tim, we certainly have that information, but it's certainly not something that we have shared -- no, no, we shared it in the past. It is very, very much aligned with where our resources are aligned.

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Tim, this is Rick. I don't have all of the breakdowns by industry sector and so on, but I can tell you that, for commercial banking, and this may help also address Paul’s question, we actually had roughly twice the originations at Bank Midwest that we had in Colorado in the first quarter in commercial. And then on consumer, relatively even. So there is obviously some timing there, and I wouldn’t, to Tim’s point earlier, suggest that’s a trend. But I also think it speaks to the fact that all our divisions are performing. Tim O’Brien: Just kind of overall, what was it, $216 million in originations was -- can you characterize, were they more weighted towards Colorado or Kansas City just overall?

Brian Lilly

Analyst

We had -- again, Tim, I would repeat that we had a good balance. We have more resources with our specialty groups headquartered here in Colorado, but they are lending across the markets. So you are asking an interesting question, but there is a real balance, and that’s kind of what we shared in the prior quarter. There isn’t an overweighting in Colorado versus Kansas City versus Texas when you consider where we have invested. Tim O’Brien: Partially, it's just indicative on what's going on in the local economies, too. It gives us a sense of that, but that’s part of the reason I asked that question.

Tim Laney

Analyst

It’s a fair question. Here's another -- one thing that you’ve all heard us say very consistently is we targeted, we made an overinvestment in commercial bankers. We worked to operate with approximately 58 commercial bankers. And today, it's fair to say that those bankers are reasonably balanced between our markets of Bank Midwest in Missouri and Community Banks of Colorado in Colorado, and then we have bankers in Dallas and Austin as well. And then, as we continue to look at the deployment of those resources, we have the flexibility to move bankers to adjust that 58 set -- not to increase the 58, but to redeploy those bankers into the markets where we see the most growth potential. So it’s somewhat fluid, but today, we feel very good about all of our markets. Tim O’Brien: And then my next question is, can you -- do you have handy what the largest loan was that you originated this quarter, how big that was?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Sure, Tim. This is Rick. We actually had 1 loan about $12 million for the quarter. That was a $25 million loan of very high quality investment grade.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Explain just how high-quality it is.

Rick Newfield

Analyst

This actually is a pool of rental single-family homes across broad geography, very well structured. So...

Tim Laney

Analyst

And then the next size loan down would be what?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

$12 million.

Tim Laney

Analyst

In terms of total exposure?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Total exposure, total commitment. Tim O’Brien: So #1 was $25 million and #2 was $12 million?

Rick Newfield

Analyst

Right. Tim O’Brien: So 2 largest, great. And they were both pools, or what were -- -- was one a...

Rick Newfield

Analyst

When you get below that 1 single loan, really, we get a broad mix of loans between $1 million and $10 million, again, with a handful being between $10 million and $15 million -- or $10 million and $12 million. And I wouldn’t point out any particular industry sector or concentration. Very diversified.

Tim Laney

Analyst

I mean, when you think about one at $25 million, and then we tell you that our average is under $1 million, it should tell you that there is -- we have a lot of small dollar relationships as well, but we are fine with that. We like the small and midsized business. The $25 million is an anomaly. Tim O’Brien: And then last question, to Brian, and a little comment. As far as the FDIC accounting and the impact on the business, that was pretty helpful. That $0.12 number that you talk about, kind of key on this quarter. And you talk about, over time, that being volatile but moving toward 0. Is there a window, a time window out there at some point in the future where either it hits 0 with all certainty or it’s going to be within a few months or 0.5 years or something that it reaches 0 that you know definitively? And if so, do you know when that period -- when that event occurs?

Brian Lilly

Analyst

Let me talk about it. Nothing is ever certain, certain, except for, certainly, some government work. But let me give you some thoughts on that because we do think about it that way, and that's why we outlined it for you. The items that I identified that we, just in our internal analysis, have a life to them. And when you think about some of the larger items, then, in the noninterest income section, where the net result was a $0.099 cents impact to the quarter, those are all directly tied to the those FDIC loss sharing agreements, and there is a definitive life to that. Now there is a maturity that happens in -- the first one would be towards in the fourth quarter of '15 and in the fourth quarter of '16. And then there is a little bit of a tail for recapture, clawback kind of things. But the big numbers are going to move through here in '14 and '15, as we modeled out, and they do just go away, and the underlying earnings show themselves. That's why we do that analysis. Now as you get to the expense side, the OREO and problem loan, probably a good benchmark is we've been moving the OREO number down from $90 million to $80 million at the end of the year to mid-60s now. Our plans are to continue to work those out. You can track, in the non-310-30, kind of the nonstrategic portfolio, those decreases. Those will be in lockstep with those expenses of problem loan and OREO expenses going away, and we’re moving those just as quickly as practical. So there will be a life to those that we see getting to normalized levels. And that also is $0.032 cents, and that, then, uncovers underneath the strength of the organic earnings that we’re throwing out there.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Brian, that was a great explanation. And just maybe to -- and you talked about it, but to put a little more color around something as specific is the FDIC receivable. Remind everybody what that balance is today. And then, we've given the numbers, but just if you think about how much we’re reducing that receivable, which is -- by the way, the amortization of that receivable, as everybody knows is a noncash expense, but it's literally like having an extra 20 pounds in your pack as you're climbing the mountain, and it’s going away pretty quickly. And by the way, it's going away because the purchased loan portfolio from the failed banks is performing much better than expected.

Brian Lilly

Analyst

Yes. Well, as we’ve shared in the earnings release, we have $56.7 million receivable on the books at the end of the first quarter. And that’s certainly down from the mid-60s that we had in the end of the year. And of that, we currently estimate that $42 million is to be billed to the FDIC over time, with the net amount of that $14 million being amortized through this negative amortization that Tim was just talking about. And $11 million of that is the guidance I gave for the remainder of 2014, with the difference accruing later. Now as we go forward, and what has happened on a consistent basis, is that we re-estimate the cash flow receivables from those clients. And, as I said, about 60% of the 310-30 portfolio is FDIC-covered assets. And so when we estimate increased cash flows from those clients, it does reduce the amount we expect to bill to the FDIC, and it pushes more negative amortization. The good news to all of that is it’s not on the critical path to getting to our 1%, it’s just the time that it takes and the quarterly impacts that will give us.

Operator

Operator

And your next question comes from Gary Tenner with D.A. Davidson.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Just a couple of follow-up questions, one on asset quality. Just curious about the increase in the restructured loans on non-covered portfolio from year end until now. Was it one large loan, was it a bunch of small ones?

Rick Newfield

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Gary, this is Rick. Look, not one loan. A number of residential loans during the normal course of business and some commercial loans, in all cases, these are accruing performing -- or accruing loans that we expect to fully perform. But once you do a prudent renewal restructure, we do include them in the non-performers. I would consider that not to be a trend or necessarily to be a long-term concern at all.

Gary Tenner

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

And then, I apologize, I did get on the call late. Tim, I caught the very tail end of your comments where you were talking about private banks. And I guess I missed where you launched that -- not to belabor the call, but what was -- is there change in the kind of banks or opportunities you're looking at? And is that why you made the point of talking about those private banks?

Tim Laney

Analyst · D.A. Davidson.

Well, for anyone else that may come in a bit later, to be clear, when we were talking about private banks, privately held banks versus publicly traded. And we've just found that, in discussions with potential partners, there is more flexibility in working with those institutions on day 1 premium and a view toward longer-term returns and partnering with an institution that has very nice runway. Understandably, with a publicly traded institution, a lot of pressure on what that day 1 premium is, which is certainly important but may be somewhat shortsighted. Our belief is that a key for both buyer and seller is participating in an arrangement that creates a reasonable and attractive payback period for the dilution of tangible book and inputs the combined companies in a position to realize very solid financial terms.

Operator

Operator

I am showing we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to you Mr. Laney for his closing remarks.

Tim Laney

Analyst

Well, thank you, Mike. And more important, I want thank those that asked questions this morning. And certainly, to everyone that participated in the call, if you didn't get a chance to ask a question or one occurs later, certainly, don't hesitate to follow up. Thank you, and have a good day.

Operator

Operator

And this concludes today’s conference call. If you would like to listen to the telephone replay of this call, it will be available beginning in approximately 2 hours and will run through May 9, 2014, by dialing (855) 859-2056 or (404) 537-3406 and referencing the conference ID of 19737283. The earnings release and an online replay of this call will also be available on the company's website on the Investor Relations page. Thank you very much, and have a great day. You may now disconnect.