Andrew Clyde
Analyst · Bonnie Herzog with Goldman Sachs
Sure. So I don't have all the details of the GM announcement. But if you think about the year 2035: one, it's a long way out; number two, if it's similar to Volvo's announcement, an all-electric vehicle fleet would include not only battery electric vehicles, but plug-in hybrid electric vehicles as well. And so, many of the macro demand trends that are out there already have baked in hybrid electric vehicles and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles. And so, the first thing we have to understand is what is that vehicle and what is it consuming from a fuel standpoint? Are they true battery electric vehicles, for which there's a host of challenges around raw materials, around mine -- mining-to-wheels versus the well-to-wheels arguments and the like. The second thing is, who's going to be buying them and where? And so, as we think today about the zero emission vehicle states and where electric vehicles are being sold and bought, they're largely in markets outside of ours. And if you look at the price of those vehicles, they're largely today outside of the affordability range of our typical customer. I've mentioned this before, but we did a survey last year and we got close to 0.5 million responses from our customers in a week about the current vehicle they're driving. And it's a 10 to 12-year-old vehicle with over 125,000 miles that they bought for less than $15,000. And so, in 2035 they're probably buying a 2020 vehicle used, given how long cars are lasting. And if the affordability of the new models hasn't come down, it's going to continue to be a challenge for our typical customer, to buy these vehicles new. So we think the used market is going to continue. And it's going to be strong. And it's going to play favorably for a company like, Murphy USA. If you combine all these trends that say look this is happening, it's happening in different places, at different rates, and different speeds, and different metro markets, in different customer segments, it will have a slow effect. But it's going to start with competitors, who are already serving that customer, who is today buying this is a luxury vehicle or a luxury truck. And then you start adding pressures around minimum wages, et cetera and if they have small formats and high fuel breakevens, one of two things is going to happen. Either, the price of all of these commodities are selling is going to go up. And you're going to have general inflationary trends. And if so, that's going to benefit greatly, the low-cost, high-volume at-scale retailers, in that environment. It's not going to be that we're completely immune from those changes it's that, it's going to affect someone else so much greater, than it will affect us. And the inflationary pressure it will likely have, on the consumer is going to create more price sensitivity. And because of our low-cost economics at scale, we'll probably end up profiting from it at the end of the day. And so, I want to be clear, there's, a lot of subsidies and incentives, and investments that are going to go into it, it's just further away from impacting our markets and our customers, than some others. We are going to be able to learn from QuickChek. They have five locations that have charging stations. And get a per-charge fee for that. And so we'll be able to continue to evolve that. It's not material. We're not going to start breaking out same-store charge units. But we will have the insights around that. And be able to monitor that. Clearly, QuickChek is in more dense markets, closer to where you're seeing adoption, but it's still a very, very small component of that business. So, we're eyes wide open. We monitor this. We study this. Evaluate this. But rather than just getting -- following the herd mentality, we're going to continue to apply our insights about our customers, our markets, their purchase behaviors not only for fuel, but for vehicles and other items. And cast that in the context of the broader competitive dynamics, and what that means for us. And kind of going back to Ben's earlier question about, allocation of capital, there will be some times where the perception and the rage around this is such, where on a relative basis Murphy USA shares under perform. And we want to certainly be in a position, at that point to buyback those shares under any discontinuities. Because, at the end of the day, this is a super-high-quality, cash flow-generating machine that just got better.