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Q4 2010 Earnings Call· Thu, Feb 3, 2011

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Monroe Helm

Management

John Henson - Unidentified Company

Operator

Operator

Good morning. My name is Sarah, and I will be your conference facilitator. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the MDU Resources Group 2010 year-end and 2011 guidance conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. (Operator Instructions) This call will be available for replay beginning at 2:00 pm Eastern Time today, through 11:59 pm Eastern Time on February 17. The conference ID number for the replay is 1-800-642-1687 or 706-645-9291. The conference ID number for the replay is 344-80-118. Again the conference ID number for the replay is 344-80-118. I would now like to turn the conference over to Doran Schwartz, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of MDU Resources Group. Thank you. Mr. Schwartz, you may begin your conference.

Doran Schwartz

President

Thank you, and welcome to our earnings release conference call. And before I turn the presentation over to Terry Hildestad, our President and Chief Executive Officer, I would like to mention that this conference call is being broadcast live to the public over the Internet and slides will accompany our remarks. If you’d like to view the slides, go to our website at www.mdu.com and follow the link to the conference call. Our earnings release is also available on our website. Now, during the course of this presentation, we will make certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. Although the company believes that its expectations and beliefs are based on reasonable assumptions, actual results may differ materially. For a discussion of factors that may cause actual results to differ, refer to Item 1A Risk Factors in our most recent Form 10-K, as well as our Form 10-Q and the risk factors section in our most recent Form 8-K. Our format today will include formal remarks by Terry, followed by a Q-&-A session. Other members of our management team who will be available to answer questions during the Q-&-A session of the conference call today are; Steve Bietz, President and CEO of WBI Holdings; Dave Goodin, President and CEO of Montana-Dakota Great Plains Natural Gas, Cascade Natural Gas, and Intermountain Gas; Bill Schneider, President, CEO of Knife River Corporation; John Harp, President and CEO of MDU Construction Services Group; and Nicole Kivisto, Vice President, Controller, and Chief Accounting Officer for MDU Resources. And with that, I'll turn the presentation to Terry for his formal remarks. Terry.

Terry Hildestad

President

Thank you, Doran, and good morning. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our results for 2010 and our 2011 outlook. I’m pleased with the performance of our business units this year. Our business unit Presidents and their teams delivered in a tough environment. In addition to generating consolidated earnings of $240 million or $1.27 per share, we accomplished several key strategic initiatives in 2010, including positioning ourselves for future growth through the entry into exciting, exploratory including the Stark County acreage in North Dakota’s Bakken, the Niobrara in Wyoming. We also added natural gas properties in the Green River Basin. We generated approximately $700 million in cash from operations and asset sales, including de-risking our investment in the Niobrara properties while maintaining a significant operated interest in that acreage. Our pipeline set another record for natural gas storage balances. We had record earnings and continued customer growth at our utility. The disciplined approach to cost controls and project bidding at our construction operations continued. We strengthened our balance sheet and continued to have access to significant liquidity, and we increased our dividend for the 20th consecutive year this past November. As we transition from 2010 into 2011, we are well positioned for, and we are focused on growth in all of our business units. I’ll start with the natural gas and oil operations; they produced solid financial results for the year. We deployed approximately 356 million into this business in 2010 including the Green River Basin, our Stark County acquisition and our Niobrara acquisition. Oil production grew 5% over 2009 levels, now represents 28% of our overall production. In today’s commodity price environment our strategy is to maximize returns for our shareholders by increasing our oil and liquids production. This will occur even more in 2011. In the…

Operator

Operator

(Operators Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Chris Ellinghaus with Willington Shields.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

Hey guys, how are you?

Terry Hildestad

President

Good. Good morning, Chris.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

Can you give us a little color on the strength and construction services in the fourth quarter?

Terry Hildestad

President

Sure. John, do you want to take that?

John Harp

Analyst · Willington Shields

Yes Chris. Actually, unlike our fourth quarter which is stronger than the last fourth quarter, on those sort of the transition work, forward work (ph), (Inaudible), football stadium completion, and (Inaudible) I thought the projects they were multi-year with 400 and most for the improvement on margins as the projects is ramping up. So we’re very pleased with how we finished the year and we’re optimistic that we could continue that into next year. We still face a lot of challenges, but as I’ve said before we’ve got people and they certainly execute in the fourth quarter.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

Okay. Great guys. And can you give me a little color on the improvement year-over-year in construction materials in the fourth quarter?

John Harp

Analyst · Willington Shields

Same thing Chris, because we have a couple of good jobs in the fourth quarter. The Walmart project in Oregon, but also we’re really geared up on Port of Los Angeles B2B projects. That’s a big riprap quarry work. It’s good margin work and those two projects we’ll have to start in the fourth quarter.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

Okay, super. And the gas utility was also very strong, but the degree-days in a number of locations were not favorable. Can you give me a little color on that? Is it related to integration?

David Goodin

Analyst · Willington Shields

Chris, this is Dave Goodin. I think you hit it right on the nose, Chris. If you take a look some of our O&M, you can see that dripping down in our gas business and with the weather being off some from normal and certainly year-over-year off some, you could see that would translate into reduced margins, but the internal savings more than offset that.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

Yes, apparently. Okay, super. And one last question, are you guys funding any acquisition opportunities at this point in the construction businesses?

William Schneider

Analyst · Willington Shields

Chris, William Schneider here, I’ll jump in. There are a lot of deals out here and frankly there are not very many buyers, so substantially lesser portion of good buyers. We’ll really maintain our discipline, but we’ve got our eye on a few Texas candidates and we’ll be surprised if we do these deals in 2011.

Christopher Ellinghaus

Analyst · Willington Shields

All right great. Thanks a lot for the color. I appreciate it.

John Harp

Analyst · Willington Shields

Thanks, Chris.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Holly Stewart with Howard Weil.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Good morning, gentlemen.

John Harp

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Good morning, Holly.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Just a couple of quick ones here. First on the Balkan, thanks for the additional detail within the release, but can you give us just a little bit of further information on your services. I believe the last time we talked about kind of completion services within the Balkan, you guess were using Halliburton about one day a month considering that you’ve got another rig coming in, in the second quarter. How are services looking for you guys right now?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Hi, this is Steve. Services continue to be tough and we’re focused on certainly with the ramp up in activity in the Balkan and look at some of the large transactions that occurred. If you’re going to see I think that rig count continue to grow, which is going to leave some pressures on completion and kind of all services across the drilling and completion area. I guess where we sit today we’ll use a couple of different parties to do some of our completions. We continue to work with those and we can schedule services the best we can. As we sit here today, I guess we may be disappointed we don’t get some of our wells completed as quickly as we’d like to. As we sit here today we’ve got one well that’s waiting on completion. So I think that our guys have done a pretty good job of trying to minimize the effect of that.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

So you don’t have any long-term service contracts lined up at this point?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

No, no firm contracts at this point. No.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

What do you see in terms of cost escalation there?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

We’re seeing costs go up some. Really, I’m going to say in most of our services we’ve got a longer term contract with some of our drilling, our drilling service. But other related services we’re seeing some upward pressures.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Okay, great. And then can you just talk a little bit Steve about your opportunities in Texas that you mentioned within the release?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

I’m sorry. I didn’t hear you Holly. Could you…

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Your opportunities in Texas?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

I guess relative to - I guess we disclosed that we’ve got about $40 million I believe allocated to some of our Texas properties. Those are really existing properties, primarily drilling some of our South Texas stuff where we see the liquid content a bit higher than some of our other areas. So we’ve got fair number of dollars dedicated there. And then we’ve got another area we try and call Central Texas that we’ve got some drilling planned as well.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Any shale opportunities there?

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Opportunities for additional kind of properties, certainly we are looking for those.

John Harp

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Any shale.

Steven Bietz

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Oh, Shale? At this point we don’t have any shale opportunities other than our properties in East Texas, in Rusk County. There is some potential shale below that. We’ve got below our Cotton Valley, we have not done anything to evaluate at this point, but something that’s certainly on our radar screen.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Okay. And then just a follow-up on the Construction Materials quarter, you mentioned within the release that there was an asset sales gain on PP&E. Can you talk about that and just quantify it?

Terry Hildestad

President

Yes, Holly, there was only about $2.6 million in asset sale gains in the fourth quarter.

Holly Stewart

Analyst · Holly Stewart with Howard Weil

Okay, so minimal. Okay. Great. Thanks guys.

Terry Hildestad

President

Thank you Holly.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tim Snyder with Citigroup.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

Hey, guys. How is it going?

Terry Hildestad

President

Good, Tim.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

First question is on the ENP segment. Was there a difference as far as the completion method goes on the alcra valve versus the carsolekhi?

Terry Hildestad

President

No, our activities were virtually the same. I think we did a 16-stage sliding sleeve completion of both wells.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

Got it. And then, can you talk about the timing of the exploration wells in the Niobrara and also the Heath?

Terry Hildestad

President

For both areas we’re looking kind of some time in the second half of the year relative to the Niobrara, we’re evaluating some seismic. We shot some 3D in there. We need to shoot some additional. I think we determine - that’s pretty critical to placing our wells. There is a fair amount of faulting in the area, so that’s something we want to get evaluated before we start drilling. The Heath Shale, we’re also looking kind of the last half of the year to start with that.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

And the second rig you guys are going to be getting in Q2, is that headed to Stark County?

Terry Hildestad

President

Most likely, yes. We could take it up in the Montreal County for a well or two and then bring it down. I think your guys are just kind of evaluating that. But likely it will be in Stark County.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

And then what were the differentials in the quarter to WTI and where do you see those going longer term?

Terry Hildestad

President

Those differentials have kind of maintained that $10 or $11, $12 range, somewhere in there. And I guess indications that we have, hoping they stay in that range. I think if you look at all of last year they did shrink up at different times in 2010, but currently we’ve been standing that $10 to $12 range.

Tim Snyder

Analyst · Tim Snyder with Citigroup

Okay, thank you guys.

Terry Hildestad

President

Thanks Tim.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Good morning.

Terry Hildestad

President

Good morning, Paul.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Your commentary on construction materials adjusted flat volumes and flat margins, but construction services just hit flat margins. Where do you see volumes?

Terry Hildestad

President

Well, you know, I don’t know, I’ll take a shot at it and then you can add in. It’s early to tell. You can see the backlog on both of those. Actually the backlog at the construction materials was down slightly, didn’t include that recent project in the Port of Long Beach. Third quarter to the end of the year, we are fortunate in the construction service group to be up a bit in backlog as we noted in there. I don’t know John, Bill, you want to give any color to that.

John Harp

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

The one thing I would say because of our focus in on higher margin work, even though our backlog is down somewhat if the margin in that backlog is up.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Okay. And just on your income statement for gas utility, looks like other taxes is down almost $8 million, kind of - is that structural change, is that a one-time thing?

Nicole Kivisto

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Are you talking about the income tax change that we disclosed and income tax benefit?

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Taxes other than income is down about $7.9 million. It went from 55 to 47?

Nicole Kivisto

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Yes, I don’t - I think basically there is nothing in particular driving that, I don’t have any comment to add there, I would think we would continue to see that on a go forward.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

The 47 on a go forward?

John Harp

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

I think the decrease is probably in line with, for example, the revenue decrease and then I think other taxes evolved through there would be payroll taxes for example on the days that integration wise we did a nice job of integrating those utilities and so that would also be reflected in that line item.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

And where was the $4.8 million income tax, was that at the gas utility?

John Harp

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Yes, it was -

Nicole Kivisto

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Yes, now related to a reduction in our deferred income taxes. If you take that out and net that out, basically our run rate, on the effective tax rate would be similar to prior years in the 34% and 36% range, that’s how you’d want to look at that on a go forward basis.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

And then Terry, can you just give some color as to what you are hearing as far as the prospects for the transportation bill?

Terry Hildestad

President

Well, I’ll let Bill answer that. He is very involved with that.

William Schneider

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Yes Paul, unfortunately or fortunately I’m Chairman of the National Zone Association this year, so I’ve been active in the lobbying and effort. The industry is very, very well organized and we’ve been lobbying like crazy to get a multi-year bill. But frankly with the republicans taken over on the house side is their focus of course is on the deficit. So right now we are living under this extension that Terry mentioned earlier till March 4. We are trying to get where our six year bill, but more than likely it’s going to be less than a six year bill. And the other thing we lobby for an increase and more than likely it will be flat, would be the best-case scenario at this point. But right now we cannot give you a specific timetable when reauthorization is going to occur.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

The thread of a reduction is probably off the table.

William Schneider

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

You know there will be a possibility that they could reduce the funding to us slightly and we don’t think it would be a big haircut, but there’s been rumors that that would be a part of the overall deficit reduction strategy. But it’s really too early to tell. We’re in very close contact with Chairman Michael. We’ve had a very good relationship with him. I think he is a very strong supporter, and whether or not he is going to rule the day or the speaker of the house being and his focus on the deficit.

Paul Ridzon

Analyst · Paul Ridzon with KeyBanc

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Monroe Helm with Barrow Hanley.

Monroe Helm

Management

Thanks a lot. You guys haven’t heard the SCCPV10 number for your reserves at the end of the year?

Terry Hildestad

President

We’ll see if we have those. Just give me a second here, I’ll - I think I have that with me, but your going to have to give me a minute.

Monroe Helm

Management

Sure, that’ll be great. Just, I wanted to see if you could give just a little bit more color on the Texas properties, because yours been a meaningful amount there. You say that’s focused on Liquids and South Texas and Central Texas, can you talk a little bit more about what play times you are targeting there?

Terry Hildestad

President

Sure, we are involved in the - we’ve got some properties in South Texas, focusing primarily on Frio and Vicksburg formations. Again, they tend to have a little higher liquid content than some oil. That’s where a fair amount of that is kind of dedicated to as we look into next year. Much of that - I guess, essentially all of that we currently have under lease and we look to develop that on our acreage.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay, are you the operators on those properties?

Terry Hildestad

President

For the majority of it we are. We operated in Tabasco and Texan Gardens fields. We do have stuff in the Flories Field, but we are not the operator.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. So who would be your partners there?

Terry Hildestad

President

I believe the operator of the Flories now is Apache.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. And Central Texas, can you talk about that just a bit more?

Terry Hildestad

President

That’s the new area that we’ve kind of recently started to drill a couple wells this past year, that’s a pretty good success. I don’t have a lot of details for you, but we have, the two initial wells we drilled in the area were pretty successful and so we’ve added to our leased position down there and are looking to add some wells this year.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. Do you have a handle on what the lease hole position is in both these Texas plays versus South Texas and Central Texas?

Terry Hildestad

President

I don’t have that off the top of my head, no.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay, not a problem. As we look into the second well you’re drilling here in Start County, when do you think we might have some actual drilling results from that well? And would do you pressurize when it happens?

Terry Hildestad

President

In terms of - I think we’ll probably turn that over to production in the next week or so. And then the third well, we’re waiting on completion, I’m not sure, I can’t give you a specific date, we’d certainly believe that’s going to happen in the first quarter, and then certainly as time goes on, whether we do news release or somehow provide information, we’ll update you at some point.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. And you have a 30-day production rate yet on the first well, how long has that been on production? And can you tell us what it’s producing today and how long it’s been on production.

Terry Hildestad

President

It’s been on production, I’m going to guess here, I don’t have the specific date, but about seven, eight days.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay.

Terry Hildestad

President

So we’re pretty early on. I guess, what I can tell you, it’s maintained its production level kind of consistent with what we see in our other Balkan wells. Last report I got, we are probably in the 600-barrel a day range.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay.

Terry Hildestad

President

As far as your MTV10 number, if you look at our total reserves this would be before income taxes. It’d be $1,130 million.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. All right, I appreciate your interest. Thanks a lot.

Terry Hildestad

President

Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Henson - Unidentified Company.

John Henson

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Good morning.

John Harp

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Good morning John.

John Henson

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

I just want to follow up, you mentioned some thing about working on generation for rig base. Are we’re going back to the coal plant or what kind of thoughts do you have around what that might be?

David Goodin

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Hi john, this is Dave.

John Henson

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Good morning.

David Goodin

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Good morning. John, we’re analyzing our various options. Certainly you mentioned about going back to the coal plant that might have been a reference to our Big Stone two projects that we stopped the project here. I think it was November of 2009. If I were to say to Dave, John and get him going through and analyzing various options, most likely in today’s environment we’ll be looking at gas-fire generation whether it’s simple cycle, combustion or the combined cycle would be something kind of details to work out, I would anticipate we’ll be making some decisions in that, probably late 2011, probably at the latest early 2012, because our current contracts that we will be looking to replace expire in May of 2015 and it requires about a 30 to 36 month bill period. But that’s not written and installed right now, but that’s probably the most likely scenario.

John Henson

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Okay, good. Thanks. Let me just follow up on one thing on the highway? I think I’ve got most the questions were asked earlier, but what about asphalt. I’ve seen another player here today talk about prices for asphalt. They are able to get - are not up that much, but their costs are up quite a bit. I know you guys play in a different part of the market.

David Goodin

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Well on the asphalt side, we reported in asphalt oil business, we have four terminals presently and we’re building our fifth terminal as we speak in Cheyenne, Wyoming. Right now there has been a little volatility in the price side of things in the last 12 months, but we don’t really see that on a go forward basis in 2011. We’ll find our winter field right now and we don’t think it’s going to be as big of issue as it was in 2010.

John Henson

Analyst · John Henson - Unidentified Company

Great. Thanks.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the lines of James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Good morning.

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Good morning, Jim.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

On the utility side you indicate that there were a higher non-regulated energy related service revenues or activities. What is this non-regulated and related services?

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Jim, we have various value services across our service territory, some of that is beyond the meter into the customer’s home and another significant part is doing pipeline activity throughout this. We had a project that we extended a pipeline for a third party that really was for their, self build on a gas combustion turbine and that was included in our earnings last year.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

In the oil and gas side, is there anything in the next three to five years where you see production of natural gas rising or…?

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Jim, I guess if you look at our strategy, as we see it today we are focused on margins, where we are going to get our best margin, where we are going to get our best return. We’ve got an objective of trying to better balance our portfolio between oil and gas so that depending on the market, depending on the year we can add or deploy our capital into one or the other or both dependent on the situation. I guess, I don’t want to leave you with the impression. We are not interested in natural gas. I think long-term natural gas has a very bright future. We think now might be a good opportunity, not so much to spend money to drill today, but maybe if we could acquire some properties at a reasonable price and then look to add value over a longer term in a higher priced environment.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

When you first introduced this Stark County activity, you called that Heart River, are going away from that nomenclature and just calling it Stark County activity.

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Yes Jim, I think there are a lot of names going around, and we thought Stark County maybe is the best one. So we try to reference this as Stark now.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

And what is the lapse time between completing wells, drilling and then actual production?

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Jim, drilling, once you release the rig, completion services can be as quickly as a week or so. It can be as long as maybe two or three months. So, it just depends upon service availability. The time to do the completion using our technology, we are probably talking of I use a range here, maybe 24 to 48 hours at the most. And then, generally you pull back some of the frac fluids, that will depend a little bit on timing, but on the individual well I mean, but that might take a week plus or minus. And at that point, assuming you’ve got production facilities constructed, you’d be ready to turn it over to production.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

And is that what was taking, maybe three months at the Stark County activities?

John Harp

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Probably, most of our time delay there has been waiting to get the well frac or completed.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

And then, over the weekend I was driving between Shelby and Cut Bank, Montana on Highway two, never did see were the Madeline cuts across that Highway from the Morias Substation. The first staging area, are you not yet putting up poles in that area? David Goodin Actually, we’ve got poles from the Morias Sub to almost the Canadian boarder, I think we’ve got that five structured right now as we’re speaking, we’re putting foundation tiers in those five locations. So, that line is up in that piece Jim. And then, actually we’ve got about 40 men working in Montana right now, stringing wire. We’ve got about 60 miles of wire off the Morias heading to the Northern border. I’ve got 42 men up in Canada today and we are studying and ground framing up there right now.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

I pulled in your parking lot and cut bank; saw out of 23 rigs sitting there over the weekend. It looked impressive to me that I see that many trucks and pickup trucks and SUVs. Would that be a normal number of vehicles that you would be using the service activity like this?

Terry Hildestad

President

Well, I got over 40 men working there off and on 45. And this weekend, we also had some issues with some high-wind and we were actually not stringing wire, I do not know if you noticed, we had a helicopter up there that was stringing and wire from the Morias up to the Canadian border.

James Bellessa

Analyst · James Bellessa with DA Davidson and Company

Thank you very much.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tim Schneider with Citigroup.

Tim Schneider

Analyst · Tim Schneider with Citigroup

Hey, guys. Quick follow-up on the construction materials. Obviously, diesel costs are up pretty significantly sequentially year-over-year. Just wondering what those cost increases had as far as the impact goes for the quarter and how are you going to deal with those going forward?

Terry Hildestad

President

Yes, Tim, our fuel was up last year and of course we’ve got a close eye on that. How we handle that, Tim is there is a couple of different ways. One is, we do a fixed contract, we buy contracts with 44000-gallon increments. We also have some national diesel suppliers that can move our product to 17 or 18 states that we have. And that of course, we get a fixed rack prices as well, but generally speaking our cost last year about $54 million.

Tim Schneider

Analyst · Tim Schneider with Citigroup

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jim Harmon with Barclays.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Good morning.

Terry Hildestad

President

Good morning Jim.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Four quick questions, the insurance recovery at pipeline and your services, could someone quantify that please?

Terry Hildestad

President

Jim, that related to, really a confidential settlement that we had with our insurance companies related to gas stored kind of the Elk Basin Storage that we’ve talked about some of the past years. If you look at it, and kind of look at some other costs we incurred associated with that really is not material to our operations.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Okay. The$ 2.6 million the Bill referenced earlier, was that a pre-tax or after-tax gain? Doran Schwartz After-tax.

Nicole Kivisto

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

After-tax. That’s after-tax.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Okay. And to you Bill, the question is you have done a great job dialing down O&M expenses, but what’s your threshold for lowering that line item before you start cutting in the muscle?

Bill Schneider

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Well, as answer to this question, and if you asked us three years ago if we would be able to continue get the costs out the organization then we have been, I would’ve said at this point, no, it wouldn’t happen. But we’ll continue to look at individual plants, the padlock plants, there’s not a volume or profitability there. We look at our indirect costs as well as our SG&A. And I will tell you, that we have our eye on significant amount of cost cut in beginning 2011. So, we’re not done.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

And then for John Harp. You’ve businesses has transformed itself a couple of times. One in your watch when you wanted into Vegas, from a - from the Internet, and as you move into renewable, could you quantify maybe the size of that market relative to Vegas or maybe describe the potential opportunity there? At what stage should we be watching for?

John Harp

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

On the renewable, as we mentioned in our release that we’re doing, with both in Nevada and have some opportunities in California and if you look at the renewables in a bigger picture, actually the 214 miles transmission line that we’re building between in Montana and Canada is built for renewables. It was actually two existing wind farms with potential of another two wind farms to be built. That’s something that we talked to maybe six months ago about an opportunity that we might have and being the actual general contractor on one of these wind farms where Bill’s group and my group would get together and put together a proposal on a wind farm. We kind of looked at that and it’s interesting, if you take all of our services and our expertise and roll it all up into one proposal. We basically performed over 70% of that work, the only area that we would -- be out would be the installation of the windmills themselves that we felt comfortable that we could do that. So, as long as the solar and the wind develop continues, obviously there is got to be infrastructure built for those locations and we feel like we’ve been very successful in our solar work in Las Vegas again, Avon [ph] electric, we were not building casinos, so now we’re building solar plants. It’s in a very successful wastewater plant in North Las Vegas another change in another direction. Like I said, we’ve reinvented ourselves a couple of times through that.

Jim Harmon

Analyst · Jim Harmon with Barclays

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Monroe Helm with Barrow Hanley.

Monroe Helm

Management

Just a follow-up on the exploration business. I don’t know if you have it handy or not, but I was wondering what the SEC PB10 was for the previous years year-end numbers and while your you looking at that, can you breakdown the capital expenditures for that division for last year between the amount of capital spent through reserve purchases and the amount of capital actually spent for drilling?

Terry Hildestad

President

Give me one second here. Sorry Monroe, you got to give me a sec here to find it….

Monroe Helm

Management

Yes. No problem.

Terry Hildestad

President

As far as the capital expenditures, you asked about for 2010 to kind of give you the breakdown, in terms of acquisitions, we’ve got about $90 million of proved properties and $92 million of unproved properties.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay.

Terry Hildestad

President

Developments about $140 million, and the balance spent about $33 million in exploration.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay.

Terry Hildestad

President

As far as the year end, in PB10 value, again on a before income taxes?

Monroe Helm

Management

Right.

Terry Hildestad

President

Is $789 million.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. Do you have a breakdown of your 2000 -- capital spending numbers kind of someway just give us the 2010. I think you said, you sort of said $50 million for unproved property acquisitions. That implies other estimates, I was assuming for exploration developments. So it will be a step-up in your capital spending there we guess. Is that the best way to look at that? Doran Schwartz Yes, what we’ve talked about, we got a total of $306 million in our capital expenditures for next year. If you want to look kind of big pieces in the Balkan area, up in Montreal County we expect to spend about $52 million, Stark County 37, so about $90 million there. That’s close to a third. In Texas, we’ve got $48 million targeted down there. We’ve talked a bit about that. We’ve got $50 million allocated to kind of new leasehold opportunities. I don’t really have an exploration number for you, but we’ve got several exploration wells kind of pant in Niobrara and in the Heath Shale and a couple of other areas that were involved in. I don’t have the specific numbers for you there. And, I guess the balance of it is kind of spread against some of our other properties, whether that be some of our Wyoming stuff and just kind of scattered through other operated properties.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. One other question, I assume that your gas reserves spike continue to decline as you’re cutting back you’re drilling there, but if you execute on your budget as you expect, can we see your reserves. How to expect we’d see reserves on a BOE basis grow in total, by the end of ‘11 over 2010?

Terry Hildestad

President

I think that’s certainly one of objectives to grow our -- both our oil and gas reserves, but as we are deploying capital we’ve probably seeing all reserves grow at a faster pace.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay. Just one last question. What kind of governs how much capital you will spend in this space going forward? I mean, I was, just a functioning of the cash flow, I mean, you out spend the cash flows in your E&P business or how shall we think about future cap spending in this space?

Terry Hildestad

President

In the current version of our forecast, and you’ll see this in the Form 10-K, you were expected to increase our capital allocated to this business unit. Steve mentioned it’s in the press release about $300 million this year. That grows to -- again based on the current forecast about $360 million. And 2012 and 2013, it goes to about $420 million. So we’re anticipating that we would grow our CapEx as we go forward in this business.

Monroe Helm

Management

Okay, thanks for your answers.

Terry Hildestad

President

Thank you Monroe.

Operator

Operator

At this time there are no further questions. I would now like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Doran Schwartz

President

Thank you very much for participating on our call today. As we look forward, we are really optimistic regarding our growth opportunities. We talked about some of the organic growth opportunity projects that we’re pursuing. But we’re certainly looking to grow through acquisitions as well. As you know, our balance sheet is strong; we are in a good position to fund these acquisitions. As far as guidance is concerned, we’ll update you throughout the year as we always do. In the mean time look forward to visiting with you at some future time. Thank you very much for your interest.

Operator

Operator

This concludes today’s MDU Resources Group conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.