William Chappell
Analyst · SunTrust
Just I think historically -- or these past 2, 3 years, you had kind of given more guidance for the future year on this call. And I understand there are a lot of moving parts, but I guess on RTL and then also on just the core paper business, I mean, I thought the belief or the goal internally in the company was, even with the assumption that volumes worldwide were be flat to down, you could at least maintain the profit level just as you found efficiencies. Is that a fair way to kind of look at 2013, that at least we can have flat-to-slightly-up profit levels on the current business?
Frédéric Villoutreix: Well, Bill, I mean, I can tell you as a corporation, we're not looking at it that way because, at least, it's not even the bare minimum of what is acceptable. But I think to your point, I mean, the kind of growth through expansion of the LIP markets that we have seen in the last 3, 4 years is going to slow down or is slowing down. Now again, I pointed to this conference that is coming in a few weeks where the working group around tobacco limitations is getting together, and they have a specific agenda as it relates to LIP. And as we have guided over the past year or 2, this could be a triggering event for some countries to communicate around adoption of LIP, and even if the adoption date is effective in '14, it could be an effect on 2013 sales in terms of getting ready and inventory build. So probably -- there is no big nugget of growth on LIP that is firm for 2013, but we are still going through the learning curve in terms of efficiencies, gaining some traction. We are working very hard to expand marginally our market share both in North America and Europe. We have South Africa that came along during the course of this year, smaller territories without kind of a neighboring EU but are adopting voluntarily those same regulations. So there is incremental growth, and clearly, in terms of earnings, we continue to expect to generate earning gains year-on-year. Now this is only -- at this stage, I cannot speak with clarity as to whether there will be the same level of year-on-year gains that we have seen in the past 2 to 3 years. But we are not looking at 2013 as being a down year. We still have a lot of momentum in both on the commercial side and in industrial and running operational excellence program to continue to drive our earnings.