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Manhattan Associates, Inc. (MANH)

Q2 2018 Earnings Call· Tue, Jul 24, 2018

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Operator

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Imani and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Manhattan Associates’ Q2 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period [Operator Instruction]. As a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, this call is being recorded today, July, 24th. I would now like to introduce Eddie Capel, CEO; and Dennis Story, CFO of Manhattan Associates. Mr. Story, you may begin your conference.

Dennis Story

Management

Thank you, Imani, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to The Manhattan Associates 2018 second quarter earnings call. I will review our cautionary language and then turn the call over to Eddie Capel, our CEO. During this call, including the question-and-answer session, we may make forward-looking statements regarding future events or future financial performance of Manhattan Associates. You are cautioned that these forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, are not guarantees of future performance, and that actual results may differ materially from the projections contained in our forward-looking statements. I refer you to the reports Manhattan Associates files with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in our projections, particularly our annual report on Form 10-K for fiscal 2017 and the risk factor discussion in that report. We are under no obligation to update these statements. In addition, our comments include certain non-GAAP financial measures in an effort to provide additional information to investors. All non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures in accordance with SEC rules. You will find reconciliation schedules in the Form 8-K we submitted to the SEC earlier today, and on our Web site at manh.com. Finally, with the adoption of ASC 606 revenue accounting rules and our new P&L line item format, we have included in the supplemental schedules of earnings release, year-over-year comparisons for apples-to-apples comps. Our year-over-year revenue percentage growth comments and our results are based on apples-to-apples comparison, normalizing 2017 revenue for hardware revenue impact. Now, I will turn the call over to Eddie.

Eddie Capel

Management

Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us to review the Manhattan Associates 2018 second quarter results. We delivered Q2 total revenue of $142 million and $0.47 of adjusted EPS. Now while it sustained 3% and 6% respectively versus prior year, these metrics were in line with our objectives and exceeded our Q2 targets across all revenue lines with the exception of perpetual license revenue. And based upon our outlook for the remainder of the year, we’re raising at 2018 full-year total revenue, operating margin and earnings per share guidance. We continue to be very encouraged by our transition to the cloud and our positive business momentum, highlighted specifically by the following four areas. Number one, our market leading product innovation. At Manhattan Associates, we create industry leading transformative supply chain innovation. Our development cycles are faster than ever and our product and technology releases are bringing important, differentiated new solutions to the market, resulting in encouraging pipeline growth. Year-to-date, our research and development investment is up 22% over prior year and we’re on pace to invest about $70 million in research and development this year. Number two, strengthening pipeline. Our global pipelines are solid and we're seeing upward trends across cloud, license and services and we’re especially encouraged by our new customer signings and the concentration of potential net new customers in the pipeline with more than half of the deal opportunities representing net new logos. Number three, our improving consulting services. Our forecasted demand for the balance of 2018 is stabilizing and strengthening based upon new product sales and system upgrade activity. Our services teams across the globe are operating at capacity and forward demand continues to build. Global consulting services revenue grew 4.5% sequentially over Q1 2018 and we have the potential to post incremental second…

Dennis Story

Management

Okay, thank you very much, Eddie. So as mentioned, we reported Q2 total revenue of $142 million and $0.47 on adjusted earnings per share. Overall with our business and early-stage cloud transition, we are tracking slightly ahead of our 2018 targeted total revenue and earnings objectives. Our GAAP earnings per share was $0.42 in the quarter compared to $0.45 in Q2 2017 with the difference between adjusted earnings per share and GAAP EPS being the impact of stock-based compensation. License revenue was $13 million against the $15 million target objective for the quarter. Given the interplay between license and cloud on supply chain management deals, extended deal timing and customer purchasing preferences, we are targeting $13 million in license revenue for Q3 and $15 million for Q4 with a full year license revenue estimate of $49 million, and a corresponding license gross margin of about 89%. Cloud revenue was $5.4 million, up 126% over Q2 2017. Year-to-date, we’ve recognized $9.8 million in cloud revenue, up 154% over first half 2017. For Q3, we estimate our recognizable cloud revenue will be about $6.2 million, up about 150% over prior year. As Eddie mentioned, we are on pace to more than double our full year 2018 cloud revenue over 2017. We are increasing our beginning of year estimate of $20 million to $23 million with year-over-year growth at 140%. As a reminder, this line includes all subscription, hosting and Infrastructure-as-a-Service revenue from our existing and new software-as-a-service and hosted customers. We believe our Manhattan Active Solutions deliver differentiated value to customers, enabling Manhattan to drive sustainable long-term growth and profitability. As mentioned on previous calls, we're not providing annual contract value and annualized recurring revenue metrics. Our objective is first to complete at least a full calendar year of our Manhattan Active…

Eddie Capel

Management

Thanks, Dennis. So in summary, our underlying business fundamentals of building momentum, and we remain focused on extending and market leading position and supply chain and omni-channel commerce solutions. We’re excited about the significant and expanded business opportunity in our core supply chain management market. Our success continues to be driven by delivering innovation and anticipates the needs of an evolving market, focusing on that customers’ success and leveraging our deep domain expertise. While some global and retail macroeconomic conditions give us reasons to be cautious, we’re bullish on the market opportunity ahead of us. Supply-chain complexity and retail evolution in our target market in fact brings continued need for our solutions among our customers, and we’ll continue fueling multiyear investment cycles for Manhattan Associates. The move to subscription and client based models is positive and is outpacing our expectations. Customer feedback and win rates continue to validate our investment strategy. Our competitive position is strong and we continue to invest in innovation to extend our addressable market, market leadership and differentiation. As always, we remain focused on our customer success and on driving sustainable long-term growth for our shareholders. With the world's most talented supply chain commerce employee, the best software solutions and market dynamics that require customers to adapt and invest in supply-chain innovation, we believe that we are very well positioned for the balance of 2018 and well beyond. So with that, Imani, we’ll be happy to take any questions.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Terry Tillman with SunTrust.

Terry Tillman

Analyst

Eddie, just the first question is just as you get one more quarter into selling the SaaS solutions, just would love to learn -- and this is a high level question, just more about the learnings you’re seeing in terms of -- is it tending to be Tier 2 retailers, Tier 1 retailers, are you starting to see consistent cadence around the sales cycle, pricing that you’re able to get? So that’s just the first question. Maybe just what are you seeing versus what were your expectations were in terms of the flow of the business?

Eddie Capel

Management

It’s about where we expected to see, Terry, and I wouldn’t say there’re no real surprises frankly. The one thing that we're seeing that maybe we didn’t anticipate quite as early in the cycle is our ability to be able to address the needs of smaller retailers and so forth. That’s been a positive and slight -- I wouldn’t say surprised, but certainly some upside there. In terms of the sales cycle, the buying cycle, the gestation, the due diligence of our customers and prospects and so forth, I’d love to give you some revelation there. But frankly, it’s been pretty much aligned with our expectations, and equally as deep and conscientious as previous years.

Terry Tillman

Analyst

And as it relates to…

Dennis Story

Management

Terry, if I can just piggy back on that. I think from my perspective, one of the things that excites me about what we’re experiencing is when we look at our pipeline, over 50% as Eddie mentioned, over the 50% of those are net new logos and they span Tier 1, Tier 2 logo, so very attractive. I think it’s a great validation in terms of interest around the new technology.

Terry Tillman

Analyst

And just the second part of that SaaS question and Active Omni relates to the idea that you have both multiple modules here. But are you primarily seeing a starting point and the early traction with the OMS?

Eddie Capel

Management

Yes, that would be an accurate statement, Terry, so still very nice cross sell up-sell opportunity there available to us as well. Yes.

Terry Tillman

Analyst

And then, Dennis, not to leave you out of this, I wanted to ask you a question about how do we think about professional services? It seems like the green shoots are there and things are improving. But if we’re into potentially upgrade cycle that had been somewhat impaired because of the retail challenges over the last couple of years. In terms of upgrade to the newer version like the 2018 version, is this something that is a multiyear upgrade that would positively affect services? How do those upgrade cycles work? Just trying to understand the longevity of this. Thank you.

Dennis Story

Management

Yes, it depends on the size of the customer, Terry. But suffice to say that number of the upgrades we are seeing are multiyear upgrade cycles for sure, with global distribution networks, very important.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Schappel with Benchmark. Your line is open.

Mark Schappel

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

Eddie, starting with you. In your prepared remarks, you noted the new machine learning capabilities in your upgraded warehouse management solution. And I was wondering if you could just give an example or two of how customers might be using these capabilities in the new product?

Eddie Capel

Management

I’m not sure I can do that justice in 30 or 60 seconds, Mark. But the bottom line is that when you have voluminous amounts of data and lots of repetitive tasks, those things are very well suited to applying machine learning techniques to generate a better answer. So if you think about what's going on in a warehouse, we've now got a lot more sophisticated automation that’s giving us a lot more real-time feedback. We've got repetitive tasks. We’ve got voluminous amounts of data. So we’re able to, again, apply these machine learning techniques to give better answers; whether it’d be from how the stream orders through the building; how to effectively replenish product before picking locations; how to deploy human capital most effectively in the distribution center; all focused around the optimization and velocity of product through the building.

Mark Schappel

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

And then also in your prepared remarks, it was noted that the first warehouse management cloud deal was closed in the quarter was signed in the quarter. And I was wondering if you could provide some additional details around that deal, particularly what was the driving factor that caused this particular customer to really step up and purchase a delivery model that has not traditionally been a delivery model for warehouse management sector?

Eddie Capel

Management

So the deal actually was in APAC just for reference. And with a very nice but a Tier 2 organization that I think was the economic profile of the deal certainly liked. It had a very small IT organization so was attracted to the fact that we would manage everything and that's about the solution and all they would have to do is use it for their benefit.

Mark Schappel

Analyst · Benchmark. Your line is open.

And then I'll close with this one, with respect to the cloud solutions. If I recall correctly, the implementation services for these products was going to be less than traditional products, granted these new services offering for you. Just wondering if you could just give us an idea about maybe how much less you're seeing? Now that you’ve had the cloud products out in the marketplace for close to a year. How much less you're actually seeing with respect to the services around those, is it 10% less, 20% less?

Eddie Capel

Management

So in fact, we’ve got a couple of the revenue lines when we moved to the cloud that we've not have the access to before. One is the infrastructure cost that now passes through Manhattan associates. But also the managed services associated with the well-being and upkeep of the solution, those tasks that were traditionally handled by the customers’ IT organization. So those two things are boost to the revenue line. And as you can see, tell one of them whilst included in the subscription cost, no question, is actually it services line item those managed services. And what we said is that the services are largely similar in a cloud world; so the initial implementation is really largely the same, maybe a little faster, maybe a few nuances, but you still got to design it; you still got to configure it; you still got to test it; you still got to train the customers and so forth; so largely it’s same on the initial implementation. When you're rolling the solution out whether it’d be across warehouses, across brands, across geographies, the services is largely the same. The thing that changes a little bit is in the old on-prem world, every hypothetically five years, you’re getting to get a pretty big slug of services when a customer does that big old once every five year upgrade. Now what you see is we’re effectively micro updates and upgrades every 30 to 90 days. So instead of seeing that big piece of services revenue come in it’s a constant flow, number one. Number two, that piece of the services business is built into the subscription cost, the updates that are coming through the version of software very automatically. So at this particular juncture in the journey, we’re seeing no impact on the service line, because implementation is the same, they’re all same and frankly, we’re not five years in so we’re not missing out on a big upgrade every five years.

Dennis Story

Management

Plus we have the opportunity to generate new services, Mark, from new innovation that we have on the platform in terms of cross sell and up sell with our customers going forward.

Operator

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Peterson with Raymond James.

Brian Peterson

Analyst · Raymond James.

So first off, I wanted to hear on the comment about new customers being over 50% of the pipeline, and I’m assuming a lot of that is Active Omni. But if you think about those opportunities, what would you be displacing? Is that anything that’s different with what you would versus your prior customer base? And any help on understanding what the competitive differentiation points would be?

Eddie Capel

Management

So the pipeline is spread across all of the portfolio, frankly, I mean we’re obviously excited about everything we’re doing. And we are excited about Manhattan Active Omni, but the pipeline is spread across all of the portfolio. In terms of what we’re displacing, there is a little bit of and across the board answer to that. At the end of the day, there generally are systems in place today but it's a combination of legacy systems. It has developed old crumbling around the edges, number one. Number two, solution from frankly companies like Manhattan Associates that were ran 15 years ago that aren’t anymore that need replacing, or solutions from software providers who have not invested in innovation. And yesterday's EMS, yesterday’s transportation system, yesterday's labor management system and so on down in the line, doesn't get it done in today's world. So our trajectory and our journey as has been to consistently invest in differentiated innovation. And so replacing those old systems for operation in the new digital world makes a lot of sense. And in a lot of cases is a must have to remain competitive in our customer base.

Brian Peterson

Analyst · Raymond James.

And maybe one for you Dennis, just on the cloud line as we think about modeling that going forward. It was like you have implied growth sequentially and clearly off of low base. But as we model that, going forward, should we think about implementation activity being a little bit lighter in the fourth quarter just with the lot of retail customers having their head down. How should we think about that? Thanks guys.

Dennis Story

Management

Typically, we factored into our full year guidance Brian, the retail holiday season impact, because most customers are going to idle their implementation in the busy season. So you'll see a sequential decline from Q3 to Q4.

Operator

Operator

Next we have Matt Pfau with William Blair.

Matt Pfau

Analyst

I wanted to start out on the point of sales system, and you made some significant improvements in that over the past several quarters. Maybe you can talk about what interest you’re seeing from clients and how traction with that product has been?

Eddie Capel

Management

So building slowly, as we’ve always said, Matt, this is not something we expect to take off overnight from a product perspective. But I would say that I continue to be very encouraged by the reception of our solution in the marketplace, the pipeline and the general enthusiasm. We’ve got, as I think you know we’ve got a couple of implementations underway, one live, couple of implementations underway. And the pipeline, I think safe to say that the pipeline is stronger today than it’s ever been with very nice customers in that prospect, in that pipeline pool. And looking -- we’re looking forward to that critical mass being built, frankly.

Matt Pfau

Analyst

And then one to ask on the 2022 goals and the 2018 guidance from an operating expense perspective, and you gave us some indication about how we should think about the ramp for R&D expenses, at least for the remainder of 2018. But in terms sales and marketing, I think you said you have 20 open positions out there in that area that you’re trying to fill. But how should we think about those expenses ramping? And I guess, if I look at the results for the second quarter. Where are you at it in terms of hiring for sales and marketing versus where you expected to be at, at this point in time?

Eddie Capel

Management

Yes, so we’re making some good progress, hiring both in search and development and sales and marketing. Dennis can talk to a little bit more of the specifics as is appropriate, but you definitely will see the expense continue to grow in Q3 and Q4. And again, we’ve made some good progress, you just haven’t seen the full quarter impact of that in Q2 and we’ll start to see that, again full quarter impact in Q3 and Q4 and the continued ramping.

Dennis Story

Management

So as I said, Matt, in the model, we’re not giving any color on the operating expense mix. But the trough on the operating margin profile will be 20% and it will be late 2019 early 2020 as we're ramping investment across R&D, sales and marketing, cloud ops, et cetera. So getting into the 2021-22, we expect that we will drive leverage off of that trough through our revenue growth, monetizing those investments.

Matt Pfau

Analyst

And last one from me, just a follow up on the license revenue expectation for the year. So the decline in that versus the previous expectation, is that related to how the mix of deals are coming in with cloud versus license? Or is there something else that’s driving that updated expectation?

Dennis Story

Management

Mix of deals cloud versus license and timing of deals.

Operator

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Next we have Monika Garg with KeyBanc.

Monika Garg

Analyst

Eddie, license gain came below your guidance, I mean third quarter in a row. Could you talk about what is leading to license revenue below expectations?

Eddie Capel

Management

Yes, just the delayed sales cycles, extended sales cycles, mostly related to -- we've talked about this is reconstitution of the retail network and the retail sector, which I think that all of us, certainly, we are seeing that beginning to stabilize. If we think back that 2016 timeframe where we start to see -- to hear about slowdowns in retail and so forth, and we talked about the need for retailers to be able to rebalance between digital and bricks-and-mortar reconstitute their network. Our sense is that most of that planning process is complete now, and retailers are beginning to, with caution, execute on those plans that they put in place, number one. Number two is the buying patterns are a little different I think. The bigger enterprise deals that we saw, maybe two, three, four, five years ago, the one by the software that covers everything that you could possibly need. I’m talking about the perpetual license here. It seems to be trending away a little bit toward -- I will take a smaller bite now and another bite where I need it next year or the year after, which is a halo effect I think in that buying community.

Dennis Story

Management

We got a nice pipeline, and 45% of license and cloud sales came from new customers in the quarter. So the opportunities are there, it’s principally on the license side, what Eddie commented on, retail reconstitution, all kinds of dynamics that can happen in that from a retail perspective that impacts our timing and sales cycles.

Monika Garg

Analyst

Then Eddie on the WMS side, you talked about one customers came from the cloud WMS. Could you comment on are you seeing more demand from more customers buying on the cloud for WMS, are still basically buying more on prem?

Eddie Capel

Management

Certainly, more on prem, we just did the one deal in the quarter. And I would say the trend is -- well, there isn’t yet a trend, it’s slow, it’s early adopter and tending in that Tier 2 or Tier 3 space. But it’s started, those early adopters are starting to take a look at that model and we’re certainly there for them. That was always our intention to innovative it just slightly ahead of the market and just slightly ahead of the curve. And that’s what we’ve done and that’s the demand pattern that we’re starting to see. So it is encouraging.

Monika Garg

Analyst

Then just a housekeeping question on the maintenance line, I think you did $37 million in the quarter. I think you’ve guided $36.5 million if I noted the number correctly for Q3 and similar in Q4. Why would maintenance revenues -- because given renewal rates of maintenance is high and we are still seeing more licenses being sold, that line be slightly down?

Dennis Story

Management

Some of that variability is driven by the timing of cash collections, Monika, because we essentially don't begin for maintenance, cash collections. We don't begin the revenue recognition until the customer pays their annual maintenance. So that creates a bit of inter-period lumpiness from quarter-to-quarter.

Monika Garg

Analyst

And then the last one is, maybe you could talk about what is the correlation between license revenue and services. Could lower license revenue what we are seeing this one, two quarters impact service revenue down the line? Thank you

Dennis Story

Management

Well, it could if you got into a long extended cycle, but the flipside of that is the pump fake is cloud. So we've got a got a sizable amount of cloud implementations going on that are stepping in and taking the place of that license, that traditional license momentum.

Eddie Capel

Management

And I think we’ve seen and talked about for the last, frankly, let’s call it about eight quarters, a slowing in appetite for upgrades inside of our existing customers. Just again most networks were being reconstituted and so forth. We on the other hand have continued to innovate during that slightly it wasn’t huge, for that slightly down period. And as retailers and others start to execute on their plans for network efficiency and so forth, we're well positioned with the innovation that we’ve delivered to be able to offer them great ROI. And so we’re starting to see those upgrade cycles begin to freshen up again as well. And those -- as one of the previous questions that came up indicated, those are multiyear upgrade cycles in a lot of cases, so pretty encouraged by that.

Dennis Story

Management

The WMS innovation that we released is definitely manifesting itself in the pipeline, as well as upgrade activity.

Operator

Operator

Okay, and there are no further questions at this time.

Eddie Capel

Management

Very good, Imani. Well, thank you very much everyone for joining us on this Q2 call. We, as always, appreciate your interest and support in Manhattan Associates. And onward and upward, we’ll look forward to speaking to you again in about 90 days or so. Thank you.

Operator

Operator

This does conclude today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.