Landstar System, Inc. (LSTR) Q1 2012 Earnings Report, Transcript and Summary

Henry H. Gerkens - Chairman of The Board, Chief Executive Officer, President, Member of Safety and Risk Committee, Member of Strategic Planning Committee, Chief Executive Officer of Landstar System Holdings Inc, President of Landstar System Holdings Inc and Director of Landstar System Holdings Inc James B. Gattoni - Chief Financial Officer, Principal Accounting Officer and Vice President Joseph J. Beacom - Chief Safety & Operations Officer and Vice President Pat O'Malley - President-Landstar Carrier Group Unknown Executive -

Sterling V. Adlakha - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Inc., Research Division Justin B. Yagerman - Deutsche Bank AG, Research Division H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co. Christopher J. Ceraso - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division Thomas R. Wadewitz - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division Jason H. Seidl - Dahlman Rose & Company, LLC, Research Division Todd C. Fowler - KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc., Research Division Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division Nathan Brochmann - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division Anthony P. Gallo - Wells Fargo Securities, LLC, Research Division Matthew Young - Morningstar Inc., Research Division Thomas S. Albrecht - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division David P. Campbell - Thompson, Davis & Company Jack Waldo - Stephens Inc., Research Division

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Landstar System Inc.'s First Quarter 2012 Earnings Release Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Today's call is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. Joining us today from Landstar are Henry H. Gerkens, Chairman, President and CEO; Jim Gattoni, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Pat O'Malley, Vice President and Chief Commercial and Marketing Officer; and Joe Beacom, Vice President and Chief Safety and Operations Officer. Now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Henry Gerkens. Sir, you may begin.

Thanks, Dory, and good afternoon, and welcome to the Landstar 2012 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This conference call will be limited to no more than one hour. In addition, please limit your questions to no more than 2 questions when the question-and-answer period begins. Before we begin, let me read the following statement. The following is a Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements made during this conference call that are not based on historical facts are forward-looking statements. During this conference call, I and other members of Landstar's management may make certain statements containing forward-looking statements such as statements which relate to Landstar's business objectives, plans, strategies and expectations. Such statements are, by nature, subject to uncertainties and risks, including, but not limited to, the operational, financial and legal risks detailed in Landstar's Form 10-K for the 2011 fiscal year described in the section Risk Factors and other SEC filings from time to time. These risks and uncertainties could cause actual results or events to differ materially from historical results or those anticipated. Investors should not place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements, and Landstar undertakes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. The 2012 first quarter was another outstanding quarter for Landstar and a great start to what could yet be another banner year for Landstar. Freight demand continues to be strong and pricing continues to increase, albeit, not at the pace we saw in 2011, but consistent with our forecasts. In our 2012 first quarter mid-quarter update call, I stated that I expected our revenue for the 2012 first quarter would increase over revenue generated in the 2011 first quarter in a low to mid teen range and that I estimated the 2012 first quarter earnings per…

Thank you, Henry. Henry has already discussed certain information regarding the 2012 first quarter. I will cover various other financial information included in our first quarter release. Gross profit, representing revenue less the cost of purchased transportation and commissions to agents, increased 10% over the 2011 first quarter to first quarter record of $105.9 million, which represent 16.3% of revenue in the 2012 quarter compared to $96.4 million or 16.9% of revenue in the 2011 quarter. The decrease in gross profit margin to 16.3% in the 2012 first quarter compared to 16.9% of 2011 first quarter was primarily due to a change in mix as revenue contributed through truck brokerage grew to 42% of revenue in the 2012 first quarter compared to 37% in the 2011 first quarter. The cost of purchased transportation was 75.9% of revenue in the 2012 first quarter compared to 75.4% in the 2011 first quarter. This increase was primarily due to an increase in the percentage of revenue contributed to truck brokerage, which have a higher rate of purchased transportation. Commissions to agents was 7.7% of revenue in both the 2012 and 2011 first quarters. Other operating costs were 6.1% of gross profit in the 2012 quarter compared to 8.2% in the 2011 quarter. This decrease was primarily attributable to the effect of increased gross profit and lower maintenance cost on company-owned travel equipment compared to the 2011 first quarter. Insurance and claim costs were 10.5% of gross profit in the 2012 quarter compared to 11.7% in the 2011 quarter. The decrease in insurance claim and claims as a percent of gross profit was due to an increase in the percentage of gross profit contributed to Truck Brokerage Carriers, which has a lower claims risk profile than gross profit contributed to BCO Independent Contractors. Selling,…

Thanks, Jim. With a tight capacity environment and freight demand relatively strong, I expect a strong 2012 second quarter and for that matter a strong year. I am anticipating a particularly strong second quarter and full year as it relates to our flatbed offering. In the 2012 first quarter, we set first quarter all-time records in just about every financial metric. I anticipate we will see more of the same in the upcoming quarters absent any negative change in U.S. economic conditions. As I have said before, I expect the U.S. economy will continue to improve albeit at a slow and sometimes choppy pace basically similar as to what we have seen in the past. Any pickup in economic activity should only add increased pricing power and even better results. Assuming no change in current operating trends, I would anticipate diluted earnings per share for the 2012 second quarter to be in a range of $0.71 to $0.76. And Dory, with that, we will take questions.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Alex Brand, SunTrust Robinson Humphrey.

Sorry, this is Sterling in for Alex today. I wanted to ask about the merge in the reporting of the ocean and air carriers. Is that just an acceptance that that's going to be a small part of the business going forward? And so, you're not going to report it separately?

Well, it is a small part of the business and when you consider that, it's 92% truck. Again, we've just decided that we were going to combine that. I mean, it's just what we decided to do.

Okay, so nothing to read into that.

No, nothing to read into that at all.

Appreciate the clarity on the BCOs and you said you had already recouped I think the 46 sequentially through April so could we expect then -- is that -- does that trend rate continue? What do you expect to the first quarter so we can expect a pretty substantial increase with BCOs?

I expect that to grow. Joe, you want to comment on some of that? I promised my guys that I was going to try and let them answer as many questions as possible even though I like to talk a lot. So Joe, go ahead.

Thanks, Henry. Yes, I would say this, we reinvigorated the campaign around BCOs and BCO truck additions last year and we've seen some pretty decent improvement. The number of inbound calls are up. The number of applications in and out are up. The number of adds year-over-year are up. So yes, I would say you would continue to see growth in BCO equipment in the second quarter and for the rest of the year.

Okay, great. And I just had one last one. Can you remind us again where the higher proportion of platform trucks is that is in BCO relative to brokerage? And what pricing did for you in flatbed in the first quarter?

About 50-50.

That's -- of your flatbed business, 50% is in BCO and 50% is in brokerage?

Yes, that's correct.

Okay, and how would the flatbed pricing trend in the first quarter?

You have that number, Jim?

On a revenue per load, quarter over last year's quarter our flatbed pricing was up by 12%.

Our next question comes from Justin Yagerman with Deutsche Bank.

I was curious on the flatbed side if you guys are buying trailing equipment right now and how aggressively you're doing that? I mean, obviously, we're getting a lot of activity with manufacturing picking up and shale play out there in the U.S, a lot of tightness in that sector. Are you guys investing there?

Justin, this is Pat. As you know, we have purchased some trailers in the past to help us manage through the heavy haul business, but we haven't bought many trailers at all. The BCOs become the last to have that trailing equipment, that expertise, that sophistication so, by and large, the equipment that's in that business is owned by the BCO.

Okay. And then, I guess it sounds like we should expect the BCO count to pick up but I mean, what are the commensurate recruiting costs? Is it costing more for BCO to get guys on board right now and as you look at this tight driver environment? And I guess, how do you guys look at that in terms of cost per truck that you bring on relative to what you project those guys are going to be earning in the future?

There is some cost in advertising which we've ramped up but as it relates to having the guy come in and go through orientation and beat them put them up, it's a pretty insignificant cost on the overall. Really, what we've done internally is just try to get our agent network and our advertising campaign back on track to grow that BCO count. There isn't a significant cost involved in bringing BCOs on board.

Justin, it goes back to what we said in the past. We get back to basics, all right. When you consider this environment, all right, and we pay a percentage of revenue, that's a huge incentive. Every time there's an increase in that revenue per mile or price, if you will, BCOs share in that. We [indiscernible] emphasize the LCAPP program. Things that are core to the Landstar model and we started doing that last year because we sort of lost that, as I said before, a little bit of focus. And if you go back in the first quarter, when you look at that first quarter, negative 46, if you will, that was the best first quarter we had in 5 years as far as net trucks because the first quarter typically is where you lose trucks. And as I said we've already recouped that plus sum as we move through April. So from that standpoint, yes, we're pretty confident as we move forward as far as what we're going to do with capacity from a BCO standpoint. We think we got the right leverage in place to make that number continue to increase as it did last year.

We've tried to focus some of our advertising obviously on the flatbed market, and through the middle of April we've seen flatbed and heavy haul truck adds up about 60% on the BCO side year-over-year, which is nice, and we've done some things as far as doing web demos and available load demos to perspective flatbed operators. And once many of those guys see the Landstar opportunity, it's just a matter of working through the paperwork, making sure they meet the safety profile that we're looking for and getting them into the system. So I do think we've got a lot of good things going on the BCO add front, whether it's vans or flatbeds. But with the environment we're in now and the rate environment we're in now in the platform side, we like what we're seeing.

That's a great segue into my last question, which is on the safety side, I know we're not up to using CSA yet. On the broker side and in terms of rating safety of carriers, I think that you're still on the safer or safenet or whatever it is, the old system. How are you guys -- where are you with educating customers and getting to a place where you'll be more CSA ready when we eventually switch over? I know Landstar's got a strong safety culture, so kind of curious how you guys are tackling that mess and really how that changes the way you think about liability in the brokerage world?

Well, CSA has been around, as you know, for well over a year, 1.5 years or so. We took the position last March and if you look at our historical broker carrier count, you saw a dip last March, and we actually implemented a form of the CSA metric at that time because you couldn't use the safer staff thing taken away the ability to use that, which most of the industry have used before. And so we did implement some standards around CSA scores back in March. We've changed them once since then and we continue to evaluate what the FMCSA is doing around the basics. And as you may or may not know, they're contemplating another change in the basics now. So it's been a somewhat fluid environment as it relates to that. Our first order of business is that to have a satisfactory safety record rating. And if they don't have a rating, then we refer to the CSA scores because that's pretty much the only metric out there. And to this point, I think we feel we're evaluating and bringing on carriers that from a legal liability standpoint we feel comfortable we can depend against.

Our next question comes from Peter Nesvold with Jefferies. H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: So other operating cost down year-over-year. You talked a little bit about what drove that. Are those going to be -- should we consider those recurring benefits through the rest of the year so we update the model? Or do those kind of come back to year ago type levels in the out quarters?

Yes, in the first quarter and probably into the second quarter of last year, we had some issues on some specific trailers as it relates to trailer maintenance. So I would expect more of what you saw this year than what you saw in that first half of last year. Maybe a little bit more on the maintenance side because it was a little bit lower than I anticipated but it's not where last year was. H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Okay. And so, tax rate it was the same sort of thing. You talked a little bit about why it was down year-over-year, does that come back also and just for modeling purposes?

Tax rate, yes...

Yes, our normal tax rate, like I said, the entire pick up, the 36.7% was from the exercise of stock options, on a 38.2%, anywhere from 38% to 38.5% without having a discrete item. H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Got you. Okay. And then last question, the brokerage I mean really nice growth quarter here. I apologize if you've kind of went into this in the prepared comments, but what drove the outsized growth there in truck brokerage versus the BCO segment?

Yes, I think it's just better execution. If you think about it as from an operator standpoint, they're out there. They're looking for high-quality freight from a customer that's going to pay them timely and I think Landstar is a great choice under that circumstance. If you look at some of the capacity sourcing tools that are embedded in the acquisitions, I think that made a big difference in our ability to source capacity as well. So I think those are the things that led to the growth in brokerage. H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: So do you anticipate -- so just any kind of new strategic change, I mean, is this an area that you're going to be a little bit more focused on going forward or is this, sort of, in this particular quarter it's sort of collect.

Well, I think that Pat, I mean, hit it there. I think Pat hit it on the second point with that answer. I mean, again to grow this revenue base we're going to have to basically increase our brokerage and in order to increase our brokerage, we have to supply our agents with the appropriate tools in order to source capacity. One of the things that we did with this acquisition, and I said this before, that what you're going to see with these acquisitions and the effect is going to be increased revenue from the transportation side. So the fact that we've made people more productive on our side is going to yield more covered loads if you will and that I think is part and parcel in that. That we hope goes forward and that should go forward. H. Peter Nesvold - Jefferies & Company, Inc., Research Division: Does that speak to maybe the penetration rate where you are already in flatbed that perhaps it's nearing some kind of structural ceiling and so therefore you started going into other trailer types and the easiest way to do that is through the truck brokerage area?

I think, Peter, it's fair to say that we service all of our customers and try and cover all the freight that's made available to us. And so, brokerage has to be a big part of that. Clearly, our customer base has both van and flat-form customers in there and we're able to execute on that strategy of covering more freight for the customer. Brokerage is a big part of it.

Our next question comes from Scott Group with Wolfe Trahan. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: So, I was wondering if you have the monthly volume and yield numbers if you can give us those and if you can give us any color on April volume and yield?

I think on those types of question, we'll either take those offline, I mean the -- or whatever. I'd rather get into other questions. As far as the April numbers are concerned, I think April is pretty much as we anticipated and in line with where we are. The pricing is still better than the prior year but better -- how do I put this -- the prior year over, prior year over prior year is still increased but not at the rate that we saw from 2011 over 2010. And I think that's going to hold throughout the year. I think we said that at the very beginning of the year. And from a -- we're a couple of weeks into April and things look pretty good at this point in time. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: Relative to the 13% revenue growth in first quarter, how is April feeling?

I think I just answered that question. I said it feels pretty good, all right? So I don't know what else what you want me to say. I mean I'm not going to lock you into a number for 2 weeks. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: Okay. Can you talk about what you're seeing on the brokerage side, specifically from a gross yield or net revenue margin standpoint? CH, their comments are that things tightened pretty aggressively in March into April. And they're getting squeezed, it seems like, pretty hard in second quarter. What are you guys seeing on the brokerage side specifically? I know there's obviously some mixed things going on as brokerage goes faster but if you try and isolate the brokerage piece, what are you seeing on the outside that grows the offset?

I would concur that pricing is -- I mean you're paying more for a truck because trucks are scarce. Get that and that's logical in a tight capacity environment. On the other hand, if you followed what I had said, that's normal, and about 50% of our business, or 51% of our business is BCO fixed margin and you really got to understand how Landstar operates because then whatever we get also I've got a benefit on the pickup from the safety side, from insurance and just take a look at those numbers. But your general question as far as, is capacity tight? Yes. Are you going to pay more for that? Yes. Are you going to get that back in price increase as you move forward? Yes. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: Are you seeing that pressure get worse in second quarter on the brokerage side?

No, not at all. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: Okay. And then, I didn't hear anything on the buyback. Can you just give an update on what you guys bought in the quarter...

We didn't buy anything in the quarter. Scott H. Group - Wolfe Trahan & Co.: Does that represent a change in stocks or strategy at all or is that just....

No. Our strategy has always been that the price settles in a range, and we will buy stock and when the price settles in the range, we will buy stock. We, as I said many times before, our stock buyback is part of our model, and it doesn't mean I'm going to go out and buy stock on an equal pro rata basis every day. I mean, it depends on where we see the prices stock and where the stock is and if it's leveled off. And that's been pretty much consistent for us. As what we've said, we did not buy anything in the first quarter. We had a mid-quarter update I think at the end of February. You didn't have a lot of time also if you think about it from a window standpoint either.

Our next question comes from Chris Ceraso with Credit Suisse. Christopher J. Ceraso - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Two questions. The first one, the revenue is up 13%, that was kind of the low-end of the range and even out of your mid-quarter update you were saying low to mid-teens. Was there anything that slowed down or any reason that it wasn't at the middle or the high-end just...

Well, a couple of things. One, we were down $4 billion in total from the international air ocean side, which I don't think we anticipated. And there was some onetime moves that we didn't have this year only because there are just -- there were special project program moves that just we didn't have. We thought we would get some of that. In addition to that, if you looked at the month of March, in general, the first week or two in March, we had somewhat of a slowdown in total volume and we finished actually pretty strong in March. And so we underestimated March, quite frankly, more so than anything else, which, again, when you look at our truck transportation, I mean that was the 15% or the mid-teen range that we were looking at. But I'm happy with 13% in our earnings. Christopher J. Ceraso - Crédit Suisse AG, Research Division: Okay. And then the second question, maybe more theoretical, the 45% margin that you're targeting for this year, I think we've seen some other sort of similar models run into resistance at that level and kind of run out of room to grow margin. Can you talk about your model and how you'd be able to push through that and get to a higher number over the next 1 or 2 or 3 years if you think you can?

I think, Jim, at the end of his comments, I thought did a nice job. It really is a matter of increasing your gross profit dollars. And if you increase those gross profit dollars on a consistent basis, you're going to get the same things. I don't have to add SG&A cost. And that's the key. Jim said it very well. We've got sufficient infrastructure to support a much higher revenue base, and it's a matter of concentrating on getting that gross profit dollar increase. And that is a matter of ultimately bringing on more revenue. So I don't see any obstacle as far as getting past that 45%. And as I think I said way back when, a couple of years ago, that our objective full view is to get the 45% within a 3 to 5 year timeframe. I think we're a little bit ahead of schedule on that and obviously I think someone tried to back me into a point of what's my next goal. I said, let me hit 45% first then I'll get another target. But as far as the general question, can we get over that? Sure we can.

Our next question comes from Tom Wadewitz with JPMorgan. Thomas R. Wadewitz - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Let's see. I guess this is a little bit of a follow on, on the prior question in terms of thinking about operating leverage. On the SG&A line, what do you think that looks like going forward? I mean do you have incentive comp that kind of kicks in if you perform well that steps things up or how would you look at SG&A, I guess, this year, Jim?

I would say it was very similar to what it looked like in the first quarter. As you know, we have our convention is in the first quarter, so it's typically taking out the bonuses of course. The first quarter is usually a little heavier on SG&A than the back 3 quarters. And then based on either exceeding targets or hitting targets, the other variables, the bonus plan and I'd expect if I were -- that that first quarter will probably going to look pretty similar to the next 3 quarters. We don't have a lot of headcounts coming in as we don't need to grow the infrastructure. So, it's -- I'd say it's very similar to where we are. And like I said, you do have the big convention in the first quarter so it might be a little lighter than where we are. But then there's raises, stuff you got to consider but it's pretty much where we are. Thomas R. Wadewitz - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: And you're talking absolute terms not percent of revenue?

Dollars. Thomas R. Wadewitz - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Dollars, okay. And then I want to see if you can comment on some of the verticals and kind of what you're seeing, are you seeing some benefit from housing? Do you think that auto would continue to stay at a pretty high level of activity or just kind of what you see within some of the verticals?

Tom, I think that housing really hasn't turned. You read different things. It really hasn't turned so I don't think you're going to see anything there. We think automotive is going to continue to be a bright spot in the industry and consequently, a bright spot for Landstar. Henry, in his opening comments, talked about where we stand in the platform business. We feel very good about our position in the platform world. We feel very good about our capacity sourcing tools in the flatbed world. And the agent adds that are coming to us in some of those verticals. So we think the platform side is going to be strong. Automotive will be a bright spot and housing, nothing's there, Tom. And government, as we talked about, last year leading into this year, government was going to be down some, simply because the government's cut back. That's been well documented. And so we continue to see some of that decline on the government side. Thomas R. Wadewitz - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division: Okay and the look forward is kind of similar growth to what you're seeing in some of those verticals that have been strong?

Correct.

Our next question comes from Jason Seidl with Dahlman Rose. Jason H. Seidl - Dahlman Rose & Company, LLC, Research Division: Just a couple of quick questions. You mentioned that pricing is going to be up just not as much as last year. Are you looking at sort of equal strength between flatbed and dry van? Or is there a marked difference?

I think there's a marked difference. I think flatbed -- I don't like to answer but I'm going to answer it anyway.

Flatbed is going to be tighter as far as dry van but you can add your...

Exactly.

Flatbed margin is tighter, it's just tighter. Jason H. Seidl - Dahlman Rose & Company, LLC, Research Division: Now, is that all a lot from steel demand here?

No, not really, Jason. It's not from steel demand. But as we've talked before, the various angles are pretty significant on the platform side, I think our expertise and the model itself were naturally diversified, puts us in a better position in the platform world, but it's not driven by steel necessarily. Jason H. Seidl - Dahlman Rose & Company, LLC, Research Division: Okay. And on the flatbed side, is it getting harder to recruit the drivers in that world? Are we going to see a slowdown? Or are you guys still having success?

Tom, this is Joe Beacon. We've actually seen a nice increase year over year bringing in the flatbed guys in the first quarter. Actually year-to-date, I think it was around a 60% increase in flatbed and heavy haul adds year-over-year. And I think it goes back to the campaign that we've got out there in that flatbed pricing environment that is up double digit pricing. That fits right into our sweet spot where a guy gets to participate in that on day one and with every load going forward. That, and the fuel surcharge back to him 100% and the ability to equip his trailer, with the change tops, binders and buy equipment through LCAPP, all those things I think fit pretty nicely into us growing flatbed in capacity on the BCO side.

Our next question comes from Todd Fowler with KeyBanc Capital Markets.

I wanted to start off with the revenue per load specifically in the BCO side because I look at that one as being the one that's pure without the fuel in there. I want to be clear, the 3.4% increase in the quarter, you're not seeing anything different in the market, that's just more of the impact of the year-over-year comparisons? And then to that point, and then yes, what would you expect going forward with revenue per load? What do you think the market can bear this year?

Well, I think we spoke last, Jim, I think what we were looking at was that type of revenue per load number, I think, is what we're looking at around between a 3% and 4% type thing. Correct?

There's nothing unusual it's just that the comparisons are a little bit tougher because you had such a large increase last year. Obviously, demand starts to pick up. I think that whole gain dynamic could change to the upside obviously if demand falls apart then changes to the other side.

Okay. That make's sense, and that's kind of what I wanted to clarify. And then just a follow-up on that, so with where capacity is at right now, it's tight but it's tight where it's going to be kind of low to mid-single-digit type pricing. Do you see something tighter that what you've experienced in March? And into April, do you see something you're north of maybe 4%?

That's correct. And if you had balanced that, you're going to see better revenue per load or pricing if you will from the flatbed side versus the van side.

Sure. Okay, right. And then the second question I had, this is a little bit of Landstar 101, I guess, but, Jim, can you remind me again what the commissions to the agents? I know that, that fluctuates based on the mix and based on the revenue between BCOs and brokerage revenue. But when it's -- here in the first quarter kind of at the lower end of the 7% to 8% type range, 7.7% to 8% type range. What really drives that or what's the factors that impact the commissions as a percent of revenue?

Well, again a lot of it has to do with mix. There's -- commissions on BCO is slightly less than what it is on broker carriers. Yet, when we get pressured on broker margins, the commissions of the agents is less because they basically share in that compression. But they also share any upside on that. So, that's really what drives it. And then in the first quarter, generally, we've had certain incentives that kick in when people hit certain targets so you might see that come up a little bit in the back half of the year. From the 7th heaven, generally, see a lower commission number do it in the first quarter and it kind of grows a little bit throughout the year.

But I think and from that brokerage standpoint, I think is as you pay more for the PT, all right, because we share with the agent what's left over, I mean, the commission as a percent of revenue basically goes down, which is different than somebody mentioned CH Robinson before. I mean, they get the full burn of that, we don't get the full burn of that.

And that's what I needed, Henry, I can't remember exactly how that worked. I seem to remember that if you're on the brokerage business if your net revenue margin is compressed that you could somewhere leaf on what you're paying to the agents because they're split there.

Yes.

Our next question comes from Ben Hartford with Baird. Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Jim, if you could -- did you quantify what the incentive comp component was in the first quarter of '12? And if you...

No, we actually haven't quantified that. That I think was so large in 2010. But we're accruing to a target number whereas last year, we didn't hit our target in the first quarter. So it's more this year than it was last year. But last year when you think about it, since we didn't hit our target in the first quarter but then we exceed it in the second, third and fourth quarters so we have a little bit of extra put up in the 2011 second, third and fourth quarter. But we're running the targets. And you probably are going to be saying in the past that the target we hit targets of approximately $7 million to $8 million a year. Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Yes. And just to refresh, I think we talked last quarter that the baseline this year is slightly higher than last year, is that still true?

Generally, yes, generally it gets higher but we still have our targets. Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: Did you also provide a cash flow from ops number?

It was $20 million. Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: $20 million, okay, good. And then Henry, on the revenue side, the Supply Chain Solutions side of the business, can you talk a little bit about the traction there? I know last year there was a large initiative to start building some momentum on that. And I guess Jim, could we first quantify what the net number was on the revenue within the first quarter? And then Henry, if you could talk a little bit more qualitatively about the momentum there on that side of the business?

I think we've actually already mentioned this, and I've said that's a couple of times in the past that where you are going to see the huge benefit is from increased freight transportation moves, because that's the approach that we're taking is that I want to basically take all of the freight. And as you see freight increase, it's an effect of having a putout there to our agents, a better sourcing tool and then going to our customers as far as trying to sell this thing, as far as a I want all your freight and basically the system is yours. From where we are on that, I think the -- the fee revenue is basically flat from the prior year but you've got an increase in the freight piece if that makes sense to you because that's really where -- that's where our better margin is. Is really and when you looked at it when we actually went through and repriced this stuff and figured out what we needed to get to do is we really want to move all the freight. Benjamin J. Hartford - Robert W. Baird & Co. Incorporated, Research Division: The split make sense. I guess, can you just clarify how you feel relative to a year ago knowing that you were in front of a big year in terms of rolling that out through your agent base. So do you feel like it's trending above or below expectations in line? And can you talk a little bit about the direction in 2012?

Well, I'll cover some. I'll answer that with Pat because we made some changes, because as we worked through 2009 into 2010 and into 2011, I wasn't satisfied as far as where we are, where we were. Much more satisfied as far as where we are now. As you know, what we've done is restructured -- I know I hate using that word, but we moved our organization around to basically put all the sales functions together, if you will, under Pat's leadership. And I think we've got a lot of good things happening at this point in time and I think as you look at some of the results last year and into this year, I think it demonstrates some of the success we've had. And I'll let Pat expand on that if he would -- if he wants to.

Ben, if you think about it, the 2 elements that are really sort of critical to these acquisitions or that were embedded in these acquisitions were: one, the realtime optimization capabilities; and then two, the embedded capacity sourcing tools. If you think about where the transportation world is and the shippers are, they're concerned about cost and they're concerned about securing the capacity to move their freight. This solution helps address both of those things for the shippers. In addition, and if you think about it from an agent recruiting standpoint, what are small brokerage people concerned about, the ability to source capacity and to provide solutions to their customers. So it helps us attract agents into the system because we have this. It allows us to go into a customer and provide them solutions on 2 very pressing issues: a, cost and optimization; and b, capacity sourcing. So we can go in and demonstrate to them why using this solution, why choosing Landstar is a good choice for them. So if you think about those 2 elements in the -- embedded in the acquisition, it really play in the current environment quite well.

Our next question comes from Nate Brochmann with William Blair. Nathan Brochmann - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Just wanted to actually kind go on that issue a little bit more in terms of obviously the environment is pretty robust for you right now, Henry, and obviously you guys are delivering good numbers along with that. But is there anything you're doing or your agents are doing to kind of extra put the pedal down a little bit to try to capture even more? And is there an even bigger opportunity for them to do that? Or are they kind of at the service levels you're at doing everything they can?

We haven't even, as I said before scratched the surface as far as what we're capable of doing here. I think we've gotten traction from our agent base family as far as our agent capacity gateway product that has been rolled out. I think our TLS product really needs to get more traction. But I think we're starting to get some of that. I think it's a matter of execution and operating on the same page. And I think we've made changes to make that happen. And I think the results are indicative of that in addition to continuing to bringing quality agents that understand that Landstar's whole dedication is to make that individual successful as far as having -- and we don't have any company store operations and agent operation where there might be some concern over what the true loyalty is. I mean, we're here and we're only successful as our agents are successful. And our capacity is successful. So what we try to do is to make everybody successful together. And I think we've done a pretty good job -- I take that back, we've done a great job over the past 1.5 years as far as bringing that together. And the future is in front of us. That sounds like a very deep statement. But Pat, you got anything else you want to add to that?

Nate, in an uncertain world, in an uncertain times, Landstar is a certain bet. Whether you're a customer or whether you're an agent prospect, we kind of take a lot of that uncertainty out. And if you think about it, if we go to our agents and our customers and say we can handle all the freight, they're going to want to see the execution behind that and we can then bring in these acquisitions and say here's how we're going to execute that. So it's not smoke and mirrors, it's real solutions that make a difference. Nathan Brochmann - William Blair & Company L.L.C., Research Division: Okay. And then just kind of, with that, when you're seeing I mean this revenue growth, are you seeing it from greater penetration with existing or are you seeing that from new winds? And is it coming from those agents that you brought on over the last couple of years with their bigger books of business? Kind of could you talk a little bit about where the mix is, I'm sure it's from all areas, but maybe if you could give us a little color?

Nate, you're right, it's from all areas. It's impossible to say -- I think we'll continue to penetrate the accounts that we're currently working on. Our salespeople have 3 initiatives, and that is to: a, bring on new agents; b, call on existing accounts; and c, call on new accounts. Those are the only 3 things they're supposed to be doing each day and every day. So as long as we execute on that, it will come from all of those elements.

We are running out of time so I'm going to try to get through as many as we can. So if you can make it quick, I'd appreciate it.

Our next question comes from Anthony Gallo, Wells Fargo.

Within the brokerage business, would you have an idea of the mix between say spot versus committed business? I'm thinking about it from the perspective of where the agent makes a commitment to a customer and then has to go on and buy the capacity on a spot basis. Would you know what that mix would be within brokerage?

Pat, you got an idea on that?

Anthony, I would say that it's more spot than committed. But I couldn't give you any kind of breakup in percentages, I'm sorry.

Rough idea? I mean, is it...

60/40.

60/40. So, if you looked at it that way, the overall business that is susceptible to this potential squeeze, less than 20%, maybe less than -- is that a fair way to think about it?

We don't have a lot of contractual pricing that we lock up for 3 year. If you're thinking of the spot versus contractuals, spot's probably 90% of what we're doing. We're not committing to providing capacity of price at this point. Most of it is spot, if you put it in that context.

Our next question comes from Matt Young with MorningStar.

Quick question on the intermodal business. Are your agents seeing strength in any specific customer verticals or geographies, perhaps growth in the local east business where some of the larger IMCs are reporting strength in the mode conversions?

Intermodal volume, Matt?

On the intermodal business, yes?

If you look at what some people have been doing off the West Coast, they're pricing the product, I'll use the term aggressively, and so there's been some impact there.

So are you seeing any strength on the East Coast at all, like with some of the kind of the local east business with the mode conversions?

I've heard a lot about that and read a lot about it, Matt, but we have not seen that.

Really? Okay, Interesting. You guys -- I didn't catch it -- did you guys talk about gross margins in the intermodal? How does that trend in general?

We didn't talk about the gross margins in the intermodal.

Just a general trend or direction?

First quarter over first quarter prior year is about the same.

Our next question comes from Tom Albrecht with BB&T. Thomas S. Albrecht - BB&T Capital Markets, Research Division: I know you've covered a lot of ground. I wanted to just clarify one thing on pricing. I got your forward-looking stuff, but you mentioned flatbed pricing was up about 12%. Does that include fuel? And then what was the van pricing in the quarter? I've got my own assumptions going forward.

To the extent the flatbed is 50/50 brokerage, yes brokerage would include fuel to some degree. The BCO obviously wouldn't. And on the van pricing, it was up 1%.

Our next question comes from David Campbell with Thompson, Davis. David P. Campbell - Thompson, Davis & Company: I just wanted to see if you had any visibility on the air and ocean revenues based on what you said about the first quarter you may not, although I know you've seen your big increases in Seafreight increases since March and I wondered what we should be doing with those revenues in the second quarter?

I think you're going to see some year-over-year issues related to projects that we had in 2011 that we're not going to have in 2012. As you know, a lot of air is moving into ocean because of cost in this time. And then ocean pricing, were that's at, so I think you'll see something similar in the second. David P. Campbell - Thompson, Davis & Company: Similar revenue, total revenue?

Correct.

Our final question comes from Jack Waldo with Stephens Inc.

I just wanted to get your perspective kind of following up on Tom's comment on the overall dry van rate environment. I mean we're in a situation with the fleet and it's one of its oldest ages in history, you've got new government regulations, the public truckload carriers in aggregate are reporting material declines in utilization yet we seem to be into somewhat tepid pricing environment. And I'd just be interested in getting your take on: a, what is causing the tepid pricing environment, if you agree with that assertation; and b, what could change it.

Well, a couple of things. I'm not sure when you say tepid pricing environment, look I think pricing increased a lot last year. And I said this at the very beginning or in the fourth quarter earnings conference call that to anticipate the same type of pricing increase I think would be a little bit foolish. So -- and I don't think you're seeing that, you're seeing increased pricing, I think if the economy picks up, I think you will start to see that I understand Knight maybe added some capacity, maybe some other out there. And once you start adding capacity that changes the mix to some degree. But the economy has been -- GDP or what not. I mean it's not moved very strongly, if there's a word, but it's moved normally and pretty consistent. And from the van standpoint, they might reach a certain amount of balance as far as supply and demand. That's not to say that can't change. Whereas on the flatbed environment, totally different -- totally different set of circumstances. I mean capacity remains tight, manufacturing is -- and industrial production is still pretty good, outperforming a lot of other sectors, and that is our sweet spot. And based on what we hear from customers, that's going to continue. But as far as the general environment from the van side, again, I don't see any -- we've got a pricing forecast, and we basically forecast the fact that we didn't think the pricing was going to be as good as it was last year. That's not to say pricing isn't good. But, Pat, I don't know, do you got anything that you want to add to any of that? Do you think that's right? Jim?

Jack, one thing is when we talk about revenue per load, that can be influenced by a bunch of different things, whether it's expedited business or not. And we don't track this for all the revenue, but I can tell you on the Van side and for a bunch of the revenues, this probably makes up about 6% to 7% of our revenue where we actually look at our mile number, how many miles are driven. I obviously like the hauled compared to last year's first quarter is down about 2% or 3%, so 1% increase in the revenue per load, really if you take that like the haul and in fact the price we had a better revenue per load increase than that. But there's other factors in there that affect that, it's not clearly to saying that our rate per mile went up to 1%, that's not really how we look at it. But I can tell you that I like the hauled, I can't tell you why it's down but it's down about 2% or 3% compared to prior year's quarter.

Yes, at this time we have no additional questions. I'd like to turn it back for closing remarks.

All right. Thanks. Jim, you got anything you want to say?

Just that we're coming off a terrific quarter. If you look at record revenue and record EPS, our EPS in the first quarter were significantly higher than in all the other first quarters we ever had and I'm just looking forward to coming into the second quarter and looking to similar kind of trends.

Pat, Joe, nothing? Joe, nothing? I'll echo Jim's comments, and I look forward to talking to everyone, [indiscernible] calls for the second quarter. So have a great afternoon. Thanks.

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